Yep. Back on the border where I was from the LGBTQ community has been thriving for decades (they even made a documentary about it called Pansy Pachanga) they love to claim we’ve been corrupted by white folks despite our ancestors literally having a god of gay lovers (the flower prince god or something close to that).

have to agree with this a lot. heard many older conservative latines claiming that the "concept of the LGBT community" has been brought from abroad (gringos) to corrupt the country as if queer people have not existed in the past i mean heck ive seen queer people in paintings and in erotic ceramics

You mean Latino?

@@los5517 Latine is the gender-neutral form of latino/latina. It's what spanish speakers say instead of "latinx" because latine sounds way more natural and there already exists precedent for a neutral e.

"Erasure..." Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

The alphabet people became bullies years ago. They popped up with Obama.

Comedy conforms to no set of rules. That’s what’s great about comedy it’s the purist form of independent thinking not there to please your ideology.

“humor is an act of defiance that we must learn to laugh in the face of our helplessness or slowly go insane”- Charlie chaplan

Everyone is hurting

@seeknprotect6179 if you can’t handle being made fun of than you can’t handle life

freedom of speech is used when capitalists realize they have no defense from capitalist resistance (boycotts mostly)

Freedom of speech is just the jurisdiction. Society has its own rules and punishments.

So all white people can see it.....

the right wing perception of freedom is protection from consequences. So that phrase is literal nonsense to them. To them you are saying "freedom is not freedom". The destruction of meaning is one of the main mechanisms used to isolate them from people "outside" their communities.

@@notaninquisitor7274 This person is saying the the modern right is wrong. sometimes on the internet you will hear people saying things you don't like. This is okay. You aren't a snowflake, you can grow and accept that some people don't agree with you. You can say "I don't think you are in charge of what english words mean so it's a bit silly to state this as fact" but saying anything like "you're oppressing me" sounds kinda snowflaky does it not? unless youre a devils advocate lefty or moderate in which case im not talking to you.

Frl. If I had a penny for every ‘we can’t tell jokes anymore’ I’d be as rich as Dave Chapelle…

Believe it or not the fact he’s getting hate is the reason why he keeps doing Them

It is unfortunate that I have but one like to give your comment.

Thanks so much..It's an inferiority complex and lateral hostility. Your response is speaking the truth. Respect.

So important for this to be said, because it really affects how I navigate the LGBTQ community.

That's basically the incel rational too I think. They see themselves as "wronged by soceity" and use that victim mentality as an excuse to be dicks to everyone else... maYbE wE're alL nOt so diFFerent aftER aLl (Sarcasm signifier #2)

That can be used, though, as a way to prevent degrading or disregarding others. Maybe it's not wanting power. There are multiple groups against which I'd defend our side of the balance sheet of Who's Worse to Whom, but I don't want to see anyone mistreated in ways I've been.

@@melsmithmel Damn I have never heard 'lateral hostility' but if that doesn't describe a lot of shit I've seen I don't know what does. It's so fucked up, as oppressed groups are struggle are intersectional, not competitive. Gay men hating on other queer people, women and nonwhite cultures and groups are toxifying their own spaces and inviting the same oppressive forces into their ranks. The callout in this video is needed.

I love Aaron McGruder for that exact reason. The show and comic faced so much crap from the higher ups but everyone else loved it.

This is AMAZING

I'm late to this, but holy shit you're right! I have certain family members that are very stuck on making race jokes (we're white). They just keep saying that you should be able to joke about anything and that's how you solve racism.

@@mrcojocaru, and that's the thing. These "fundamental truth tellers" really think they're doing a societal good and forcing us to face our demons. But this just creates a "safe space" for that type of behavior, so why would it go away at that point?

That's why I pretty much always stick to "punch up, not down". I think its such low tier "comedy" to tell jokes that aim to offend groups of people who are *actually* oppressed. Like gee, you're so clever pissing off black people or trans people who are understandably going to be hypersensitive about racist or transphobic jokes. Boondocks is a great example of a show that really pulls off offensive humor, even if they may "punch down" at times because when they do that, its satire aimed at the people in power who are keeping those people down.

Coming from another trans woman, let's be real here. It's when he defended JKR and called himself "Team TERF" is really when he went off the deep end. The stupid joke about the LGBTQ+ community being in a van and that dumbass metaphor wasn't that bad. It was the doubling down followup that put him in the shit end.

Believe it or not the fact he’s getting hate is the reason why he keeps doing Them

Well said

@@people2chronically-onlinehe's getting criticised for something he deserves to be criticised for. That's part of free speech too y'know, consequences still apply.

@@spibs_ he doenst deserve it try again

Yeah, George Carlin was the man. He pretty much nailed it every time.

What's happening to comedy really sucks. On one side we have bigots using the "it's just edgy comedy" excuse to push hate, on the other we have people ready to crack down on anything that could be interpreted as offensive, largely because of the bigots abusing the leeway comedy allowed for. We also have people like Hannah fkn Gadsby, who is less funny than cancer (men over 40 please get your prostates checked ❤️) In the middle of all of this are people who want comedy to be provocative, as it should be, but don't want it to be a platform for hate. It's a really hard situation.

Carlin was a king.

It really is nice to realize I'm not alone in finding Carlin's humor brilliant!

A real treasure. But he's so anti-theist, it's hard to watch in my latter years. It's a full frontal attack on one's beliefs, much like he's talking about here.

Can a homosexual be heterophobic?

@@pendejo6466 theyre a minority of a minority and theyre targetting a group thats in no risk of being oppressed so yea but why do you ask

@@Malachite7 Their numbers-“minority of a minority”-are of no concern to me. The point is that in-group tribalism, out-group denigration/exclusion is a universal; these qualities alone disqualifies anyone from being viewed as marginalized, vulnerable, hence worthy of special protection-that is not to say they’re not deserving of ANY protection, just no more than anyone else.

@@pendejo6466 But some communities do need more protection than others - regardless of how their numbers compare to other communities - there are still other factors that make it necessary. Although being a minority can contribute to the beginnings of why some groups need protection, socially, legislatively or otherwise

@@pendejo6466 so…. One person kills an Asian and gets 20 years, another person kills a trans and gets 20 years, same same. Great I guess… I don’t think that’s the point tho. I better example might be 1 in 1000 trans person are murdered VS 1 in 100 Asians get murdered. It doesn’t matter if the killers each get 20 years, that doesn’t help the community that’s being attacked, I’d argue that it doesn’t help ANYONE (we need rehabilitation more than punishment IMO). So in this example I would guess the Asian community would in fact need more protection, right?

Stop being naive. Look into it. Genevieve Gluck is a good starting point to see what’s really going on.

i just dont see the fun in being permanently offended. people need some hobbies.... @@Mya_water

@@Mya_watergirl😭

@@courtney_lol point?

@@Mya_water ..girl

Also that Dave should be disappointed in himself, and a hopefulness that one day he is.

@@celeritas2-810 Yeah I hope he looks back on this one day and regrets it like any decent human would... He really fucked up and let us all down. The assholes of the world are loving him right now though. Even though these same pos wanted him dead for defending george floyd. Yikes...

@@celeritas2-810 why should he? Yall need to get over yourselves and laugh too

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 he jokes about everyone, stop being a baby.

@@eftultima Laugh at what I laugh at Reeeee!!!

This kind of thing gives me hope. Being trans (who’s also poc) feels like you can’t trust Anyone outside your community not to shit on you with no shame whatsoever. I’m trying to claw my way out of a cynical, defensive hole where I came to fear even being looked at for a second. Videos and comments like this help.

as a trans person who has lost so many friends and family over "youre crazy you cant be a girl" this comment made me cry and gave me faith in humanity i donno who you are but goddamn it thank you.

@@anomienormie8126 the fuck is poc? what race are u?

I also came here to see how Dave was correct. I see my own bias now. Will do better

@Jeffrey Wu spoken like someone who isn’t trans.

Punching down ? Thats very bigoted of you

Yeah as someone who grew up in SW Ohio, Yellow Springs isn't quite the same as everywhere that surrounds it, that still doesn't excuse Chapelle's behavior though, but his environment wasn't quite as reactionary as pretty much anywhere around it would be, which is an especially conservative area, culturally Yellow Springs has more in common with Berkeley CA (and Chapelle blocking affordable housing tracks to that) than say Beavercreek only a few miles away. Its also a college town with a liberal arts college in it - Antioch which actually has a history of left wing radical politics. The dairy farm to the north would host republican presidential candidates, but the town itself had signs that would say "use the left door (of course) ☭" posted on the left door or a building on Antioch's campus.

@@neilworms2clearly most of Ohio doesn’t agree with you including me from Toledo. As we voted in a Republican Senator JD Vance.

@@ldcow3948 Did you even read what I said? I was describing yellow springs not how I vote. I know more about sw Ohio because I grew up there. Someone from Toledo barges in and tells me yellow springs is out of step with how the State's been voting lately and that's fine. I never mentioned me here. Get off on making fun of libs elsewhere dude

The point of wealth is being able to choose your neighbors, and that is so throughout history. Blocking "affordable" housing in an area one worked hard to enter is quite pragmatic because (no matter what race, color, gender or ethnicity) concentrations of poor people inherently include MANY who are poor because they're mentally and/or socially defective and not in good ways. Poor areas are places to ESCAPE (nearly all non-forced immigration to the US was to escape poverty. I'm white and don't want white trash neighbors but since there is no practical way to filter them the only remaining filter is economic. That keeps the meth heads away so I'm fine with it as a matter of personal survival. Anyone who genuinely wants human garbage for company can have them at will, but those who don't have NO CHOICE but exclusion. You can't have a good safe quiet hood with low crime unless you use economic filters! It does not happen so why should people who work long and hard to escape the shitbags be forced to share space with them? Poor folks of all backgrounds who remain poor tend to have serious personal defects. If you want them for company that's fine. Others do not and choose their hoods accordingly.

@@neilworms2yeah I’m from Youngstown and I’ve only ever been as far west as Columbus (in Ohio, Ive been to Green Bay Wisconsin and had a layover in Denver when going to Florida) So I have no idea how Yellow springs is. My perspective of around me is that it’s kinda miserable to live here, but I’ve been lucky to not see much major crime (I was at the Canfield fair when the shooting occurred there) If dude lived in Youngstown he’d probably get a bit of a pass bc idk how many times I’ve told someone where I’m from and be told something along the lines of “god bless you” or heard that Youngstown is the murder capital of Ohio. I just know there’s major opioid issues around here since I’ve seen that 1st hand.

I didn't even consider that aspect until now, and you're so right. The fact that the only trans woman Dave brings up as one who deserves our empathy, the one who doesn't deserve to be humiliated...is the one who said Dave is right & confirmed Dave doesn't have anything to learn or change....makes everything look worse, unfortunately. The trans woman who everyone should listen to and whose statements should *actually* be taken seriously? Oh, the one who supported Dave. It doesn't help that it happens to be the one trans woman who can no longer say anything that Dave doesn't like. She doesn't have a chance to criticize him, how he's talking about her - and how he's talking about all trans people. :/ Her support of Dave is now unconditional and infinite. It can never be clarified, revised, or retracted. He doesn't even have to worry about the possibility of her no longer staying silent. :( She'll be quiet about Dave's behavior and will never object...ever. It's tragic. I hope Dave makes a public statement that actually explains why Daphne killed herself, apologizes, then never brings her up again, honestly. There's just no way he can do it without it making him look bad, because regardless of his best intentions, she can't speak for herself and it's unfair. /End rant :( Thank you for your comment.

@@sorryifoldcomment8596 He should go on a trans-hosted podcast or talk show to argue his points so we can understand his ideology better. Communication is the best way to understand one another.

He did that with the story of insulting a Chinese women and the chill Mexican guy. It was uncomfortable how this adult never thought about the dynamics of his celebrity opposed to fuck these lady insulted at my asking where they are from. I get less insulted when a black man asks me that but as a Colombian fuck you stop asking where I’m from I’m displaced and stolen and living with strangers but you want to know where this “spicy” brown girl is from. It’s weird cuz it’s not insulting when asked genuinely especially from another immigrant but Dave was just saying man cool for not being offended see Mexican men aren’t as playing the victim as Chinese women LIKE ASAIN VIOLENCE ISNT RISING AS HE SAYS THE JOKE! He can understand his personal grievances nothing I guess outside of it. We are just sensitive liberals despite being down for armed Latin resistance but I guess Dave is that correct about the political spectrum and society cuz fuck feelings. Ahhh that made no sense and was just a rambling rage sorry for anyone reading tbh lol

She kind of did, though. Not much, but that center line, when he says he doesn't know what she's talking about, and she says "I don't need you to understand me. I just need you to understand I'm having a human experience." Again, not much, but it was something.

@@dayotobiusa I remember that moment. It could have been very powerful, but if memory serves he immediately followed it up with his response to her, a capstone that had him come across as the reasonable one with nothing to learn.

Money is the root of all evil Dave's been on all sides of this spectrum and ultimately corrupted by it

They referred to themselves as drag queens, not trans women

He definitely has changed and not for the better over the year

@@kampoutkid the term did not exist when the stonewall riots were happening, and some of them did later refer to themselves as trans women, eg Sylvia Rivera changing STAR from transvestite to transgender.

It wasn't black trans women that started Stonewall. Nobody knows who threw the first brick, even the people that were there. And he should respect the old school gays because all they wanted was to be treated as equals and not entitled brats like today's LGBT wish to be treated.

Same here. I didn’t watch the special because I’ve always been weirded out by his energy, so never really saw that much of his work, anyway, but that statement is wild. At this point he’s coming off like the male version of JK Rowling. The parallels in their discussions of trans people are as mystifying as they are false.

If they were really being targeted it would be all over the media.

@@OffbeatsMusic Ayo, what parallels?

@@OffbeatsMusic You really can't judge it if you haven't watched the whole show... And that's a huge problem these days. Big opinions about things people know nothing about except from bits and pieces of info comming from others with biases and agendas without any context. This will rip everything apart. Even this whole video in nonsense and lies and therefore has no value except creating hate and or misery. If don't really know Chapelle it's obvious, he is nothing like portrayed here

@@Mutation80 in your fantasy they didn't watch the shows, in our fantasy you become a smarter person

What is HRT?

@@NeloAmaru hormone replacement therapy.

@@Robstafarian bot

@@laylah150 which community?

@@mistake1197 Thanks, I deleted my bot food.

The bans on trans athletes playing sports are starting to effect cis women athletes as well, who are now being accused by rival teams of being trans simply for having “masculine” features, and they are having to prove they are cisgender before they can continue playing. Transphobia and harmful gender stereotypes do indeed effect all of us, trans people just get the majority of the impact.

Not that it's necessarily the best reason, but it's perfectly fair to justify empathy with selfish ends. We're a social animal. That's fundamentally the evolutionary explanation for empathy. But we are more than that, and we depend on others. Treat them the way THEY want to be treated. and hopefully they'll treat you the way you want to be treated.

Julia Serrano writes how transphobia against femme trans people is deeply ingrained in misogyny, and I think your comment encapsulates that.

@@fmlAllthetime Word.

@@gee_emm That misogyny is also deeply encapsulated in the white femme fragile version of femininity that powerful white men have abused white women with for centuries and is also inherently racist and classist (poor women of all races were always expected to work and have mechanical know how) because that's it's starting point. It's some good stuff when you start to peel back the layers...

it’s that moment where the stand up gets jussssst not funny enough for you to be like oh this is just a…. belief you hold

like you just are really angry

@Michael "Abdullah" Smith Idk what’s happening or what the proposition is, but I do want add some things that should be pinned in the discussion leftism, LGBTQ and religion. People grow up in religion born not only with orientation that counters the standards of their religion, but with varying experiences. Some were traumatized by such standards and have actively left their religion. Others similar struggle but somehow actually want to fulfill the mission of their religion. And most, want to leave but can’t due to the large amount of repercussions of doing so. Western leftists shouldn’t be forcing Muslims or anyone from a religious background to accept LGBTQ publicly because as I just mentioned, it is basically forcing them to face those unruly consequences. If we are there and are easily able to provide a drawback or backup from the extortion of religion then sure. What we can do is encourage people to mindful and keep whatever stereotypical traditions of their religion to themselves. Of course they’re are going to need to combat their own religious beliefs that are counterproductive to morality. Although it is our duty to educate, it is their duty to accept it and improve from it. But we should also be mindful about the environment marginalized people are in and ensure that we can offer the best experiences for them.

Nah fd is one of the most important black youtubers rn

@@ayomidetejuoso3455 exactly why we have to go even harder with the engagement to keep the algorithm from suppressing it, CIA run KZfaq loved CIA psyop Qanon bullshit but it hates the fucking truth

YESSSSSSS‼️So far, amazing left and right👏🏾‼️

@@xp8969 This is bs. The Illuminati and the church of satan walked so that q and the cia could run, now we’re not even going talk about all they have done for us? 😹😼

Commenting for the algorithm

I just watched your video, thank you for the effort in educating the rest of us.

Just want to say - your videos on it were also incredibly informative. You definitely earned a break

Just watched your video and I can honestly say I appreciate both perspectives.

This is exactly why I only got to this video today, too! I loved your take on it, but I wanted to take a break from the issue for a day or two as well! I was interested to see his take as soon as I saw he uploaded this video, but I knew I wanted to take a breather to give myself room to process it with consideration and respect.

Thanks Jessie - I thought I was done with the issue as well but then saw your second video, the panel and now this great one. I think that it's obviously what is called for in the situation, that all the content producers were responding to a critical need or gap in the story-especially in different forms - including put out in video and accessible, these are such incredible productions, representations and resources. So, just, Thank you! and take care

"Most of y'all throw rocks and try to hide your hand. Just say his name and I promise that you'll see Candyman." - Kendrick Lamar, Element

It's a common Haitian creole idiom.

@@Goshin89 Oh, thank you for letting me know, it’s a great one.

@Marcos Darbyshire Cash’s “God’s Gonna Cut You Down” has a line “you can throw your rock, and hide your hand, working in the dark against your fellow man” It makes sense that it’s an idiom. I have always liked that line.

I always though it was a Jay Elec line.

He literally cost his friend her life.....

@@susanrichardson631 I'm not going to go quite that far. I do think he shares some culpability in setting that situation up and forcing her into that position, and not considering the potential consequences or his own privilege as a rich comedian who is far less vulnerable than her to angry backlash and has no personal stakes in the conflict himself, but I also think the people who harassed her are responsible for the part they played as well.

@@oMuStiiA you're correct.

Just subscribed ❤

Heyyy, I love your content too!

@@TheCoolmaster131 blessings, general 🙏🏾

@@justcallmeandy5180 whatcha saying, Andy! 🙌🏾

Yeah I genuinely appreciate how many people he uplifts and talks to in order to get more well rounded insight, it's not done enough in the commentary/video essayist community. Also for anyone wondering, the video FD referred to is fantastic, highly recommend 😁💛

So jokes about other groups of people were fine but oh God forbid he make jokes about trans people. Grow up you should be able to laugh at yourself

@@pjvalenzona2002 my post was 2 sentences and one was a quote, so I'd like to know who you're arguing with right now

@@CptnBillHarris you said all the trans community asks is for Dave to stop encouraging laughing at them but its okay to laugh at other groups of people. Comedy is comedy nothing is off limits hence memes about celebrity deaths and overdose etc..

@@pjvalenzona2002 please look up the concepts of "punching up" vs "punching down"

@@capybara8477 u can joke about whoever you want any race or group of people. Just stop

"can't speak if you're not involved" - the dude you're praising lol

@@comicbrandon not involved in..what?

Can one be an ally and not be ok with the term “cis”? I said I don’t like the term and I was called homophobic. I don’t get that. My coworker is a zesty queen and I use her preferred pronouns and name but I’m a homophobe because I don’t want to be called cis, cis-man, cis-guy?

Cis? Tf is that? Is that like a new cheese type or some shit?

@@kapulono i mean it’s an important term for distinguishing between who’s trans and who’s not, as that’s literally what cis means. You wouldn’t get called cis in a context outside that.

You were trying to use nuances, right? Because nuisances are like a negative word imo, at least in the word's definition.

@@yoBmeF Thanks 😊

@leodisconleyjr9475 no problem :]

Intersex people are just as common as red haired people (1-2 percent of the population). It can be chromosomal (an extra x or y chromosome) or it can be how the genitals developed in the womb (because the first x chromosome determines development before the second chromosome takes over).

@Kit Duguay and your point?

@Kit Duguay it entirely depends on what you are examining. The 2 in 100 data does come from an aggregate of various conditions that can alter primary or secondary sex characteristics, so that is everything from chromosomal annomolies , hormone sensitivity, chimerism, based on Anne Fausto-Sterling's research in the 80s and 90s. It is very much a type of valid measure when looking at how the public and science looks at sex, and how thing can vary from different models people use. The 1 in 1000 can be more accurate when looking at specific things, such as at birthing centers or hospitals, where one can expect about 1/1000 chance any given baby may give a physician or nurse pause when assigning sex at birth based in gonads, but is also about the rate of some of the more common chromosomal conditions like trisomal X or klifenger (xxy). So again, it depends on what you are looking at and how you define intersex.

@@knate44 let's make sure that the data and numbers don't mask the fact that we're discussing real people who get dumped on and dehumanized by society at large. And even though I am sharing statistical information as well, these are people who just want it recognized that they're having a human experience, too. I don't care if it's a million Americans or if it's just a single individual, they are real and they are here.

@@naterbaternaterbater not to mention in a world of 7 billion people 1-2% is still a lot of people. Like iirc theyre also on par with how many people have green eyes.

Truth.

I feel like stand-ups are becoming aware of that, but they are using it more to defend themselves from criticism. The conversation with stand-up comedy has shifted from "Is the comedian funny?" to "Is the audience offended?" So it's removing any agency and ultimately any blame from the comedian having to be a better comedian. Especially when you can just assume that people who don't laugh at you, are just offended or virtue signaling or apart of some culture war. Makes me think, similar to Andrew Dice Clay, if "hacky" comedians from the 00s like Dane Cook, Carlos Mencia, or Jeff Dunham would be shielded by similar zealous fans if they were to use their identity as "truth tellers" to defend their comedy.

@@MayorOfEarth79 offensive comedy is like a spice or a genre of music. Some people are allergic, some people tolerate it and some people love it. It dosnt kill everyone and only mature people can handle a premise that represents them because they are confident of who they are. Comedy is also told by stage clowns those are people that should not be taken serious because there whole existence isn’t a normal human pathway. People who hate comedians most likely hold celebrities higher than needed. Actions are more important words.

Those jokes are part of the classic comedic structures (and by classic I mean all the way back to the Greeks) and will endure *as long as they're done well*. That's the caveat which, sadly, has very much lacking in comedy also since forever. The joke has to be constructed in a way that can't be misunderstood without having to explain it (which kills it) and that's still funny; it's a skill and it's a difficult one. When culture changes, lazy, mediocre and stupid comedy is exposed. This is what's really has all these comedians so pressed, some don't have what it takes and, more established ones, are used to cruising by their name and fame only, they're now either too lazy or too entitled to go back to the actual craft. The public isn't stupid, and lately it would seem that that's what high-profile comedians are having a problem with. In the end comedy as a genre is guaranteed to endure, comedians however are not extended the same assurance. Chappelle's special forgot the funny. If you wanna be "edgy" you just can't be mediocre.

There's nothing "nazi-lite" about people defending comedy or freedom of speech. If you just didn't think Dave's last special was funny that's fine, but his previous two were definitely funny and included making light or making fun of lgbt persons. Comedy and freedom of speech are more important than your feelings at any point in time. You aren't untouchable, be humble and down-to-earth instead of sheltered and shielded from reality. You need to stop using buzzwords like Nazi because you're sounding like the morons from the time of the salem witch trails. Respect is also earned, you or anyone don't deserve it for free from anyone just because you're lgbt.

we don't want to be on the national stage like this. omg also thanks for the contrapoints link, she's AMAZING. i do think she's struggling w addiction in that video so her affect seems a bit off, but she's brilliant as always.

white trans person here btw, since this is a demographic themed video. i do want to note that trans people do somewhat change their biological sex. it doesn't change your chromosomes or anything like that, but hormones change you super deeply and intensely, to a point where i think it goes constitute a meaningful part of biological sex.

Hey man life is about learning

I feel ya, I was in the same position a year ago. I only discovered FD recently but from everything I've seen he has a really great way of reaching people and speaking truth without speaking down to people. Tons of empathy. He's the real GOAT here. I don't know if this applies to you but one big thing I've learned detoxifying myself from bigotry/prejudice is that a lot of it was rooted in spite. Seeing the way that a lot of very vocal, VERY online lefties act around controversies (including this one) and often make controversies out of little to nothing makes it hard to side with the left. At some point I became jaded and completely stopped taking the broader left and every social issue they stood for seriously. Hearing good lefties approach these issues in a way that isn't infuriatingly petty or self-righteous helps so much, at least it did for me. Basically if this applies to you don't take the lunatics you see on twitter seriously, always look a little further into it and be open to having your mind changed. There are tons of great lefties who want to help people learn. What you did here is something that many can't. You sat through an hour long video that disputes what you believed and reflected on it. It's so simple but more often than not our pride gets in the way. Anyway thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, glad you chose to grow.

@Jub Jub Thanks for sharing that, made me reflect on some stuff. I do think I didn't phrase what I was trying to say properly though. When I talk about toxic elements of the left I'm not talking about dunking on bigots or memeing on caucazoids. Nobody has the obligation to be nice to anyone, especially if those people loathe your existence. What I'm talking about is the many (typically white) online lefties and libs who act legitimately hysterical and/or abuse legitimate issues and identity politics to push really toxic worldviews. The "if you don't share this black square you're a white supremacist" types, the people trying to cancel ContraPoints for the billionth time despite her sharing 99% of their values, the purity testing, the smug self-satisfaction, the circular firing squad, the fact that a sizable amount of the online left tolerates and even occasionally supports straight up bigotry when directed at white people/men. You know what I mean, those who conflate whiteness and white supremacy with white people as a monolith and patriarchy/toxic masculinity with men as a monolith. Luckily most of "those" radfems left to become TERFs so they don't have even close to the same effect on our optics but anti-white stuff? Far from uncommon or taboo. It's understandable that a group with a long history of some of the most brutal oppression would be angry at those who continuously screwed them over and I'll be the first to meme on my caucazoidal nature, I don't care about jokes, the problem is that for a lot of people of color and their white allies it goes far beyond joking. I've heard a lot of rhetoric from these kinds of people that are straight fashy, just with a few words flipped around. Black separatism, advocating segregation (for example with dorms,) POC railing on race mixing because they conflate protecting their culture and history with protecting their racial purity, the idea that POC opinions have inherent value while non-marginalized people should stay out of the conversation, the "power + privilege" thing being used to downplay and outright deny bigotry against hwites because "you can't be *racist* against white people" (aka semantics.) All of these examples have one major thing in common: they reflect very real issues facing POC but have been taken so far that their perfectly fair points turn into something hateful or otherwise toxic. Black culture and history have always been crushed and diluted, the fear and desire to protect it is totally justified. It also should've never had to be a race thing since race as we know it was made up, serves only to divide us and keep white people on top. We need to be moving forward on race, not backwards. We need actual integration so that POC stop seeing themselves/being seen as outsiders. Mayo people tend to lack the personal experience to comment on a lot of race issues but then again I've met and seen a lot of non-white people say dumber things about race issues than many whites. Marginalized voices are important but only if their voices are used to spread the right messages. So often I see marginalized people (especially black women and trans people) making awful, even bigoted statements and people of all races/creeds/genders jump to their defense. Even if a white person makes a fair, good faith criticism of something absolutely heinous "umm sry sweaty ur yte & racist & nobody asked for ur opinion." It essentially insulated a lot of online marginalized folks from criticisms that anyone else would get metric tons of. That validates bad ideas and leads to stuff like Black Hammer lol. Basically all of this is to say that my issue doesn't lie with a lack of civility, you don't owe anyone anything. You have every right to be angry and hurt, if you don't want to be patient with bigots or ignorant people please be my guest. Unfortunately just like on the right (but not as bad) a lot of people hide their hatred behind the shield of humor and/ot the armor of anti-racism & identity. As a result of that and what I believe is the left having way too much charitability for marginaized peoole we end up with the normalization of harmful ideas and toxic behaviors that push people away. My dream and I assume the dream of many leftists is that one day once we've ended systemic racism for good race as we know it will start to fade away until eventually we all just see each other as human beings. The people holding different standards for different races and letting stuff like "black" superiority rhetoric, segregation and keeping leftie caucazoids quiet slide all we'll ever do is keep the dream of a post-race world a dream. We need unity, which is impossible with some of the types of people who are speaking for us causing division and pushing people away.

@Jub Jub Also sorry for the novel, I just wanted to clarify that from what I understand we're on the same page and explain exactly where I was coming from. This one is more directed towards your comment. I don't expect anyone to be accommodating if it hurts or wears them out to do it. I also have a penchant for righteous indignation, I don't personally engage in it because conflict makes me anxious but it's a lot fun hearing Vaush, Dylan Burns, or whoever tear bigots apart. Would love to see more POC banish their haters to the shadow realm but then again I imagine it must be frustrating and painful debating people on whether your melanin level makes you subhuman. I don't care if the online left is mad, they have every right to be and I kinda like it. My problem is when "mad" turns to "hysterical," then swiftly to "delusional." It hurts our cause optically and structurally while it normalizes some pretty counterintuitive, divisive and often downright hateful behaviors and rhetoric that does nothing but hurt us. Anyway thanks for the comment, you did make me think and it's cool thay we can be open without picking a fight, the internet is pretty rough, I appreciate ya. I'm sorry that what I said hurt you, we probably don't agree with everything but you're a comrade and I don't want to make you feel any kind of way. I hope my explanation helped clarify things at least a bit for ya. Peace!

@@TayTayMakesBeats As someone who is a hardcore leftist, I totally agree that a lot of the left is incredibly annoying, but if you actually care about the issues of the left, none of that should change your core values. So yes, I get it, but I think people who get pushed away from their beliefs by some dumb people online probably didn't believe those things very strongly anyway. That being said, very glad you were able to get past that stuff!

after years of trying to understand what trans is. i'm happy you feel understood

Wonder how Daphne would have felt.

Advocacy should be the norm instead of a rarity!

Thank you so much. Your closed minded stereotypes mean so much to us.

@@wclark3196 what? i’m not saying cis people are all closed minded, not at all! it’s just that i rarely see perspectives like this. people certainly try very hard and i’m lucky to have a lot of supportive people in my life , but especially online i rarely see this kind of stuff from cis people. not that it doesn’t happen, just that i appreciate it a lot when it happens :)

Also, I thought "but I have a black friend" was a bad excuse until I heard "I used to have a trans friend."

it's hard to get when people face negative life changing consequences for just stating facts and trying to speak openly about emerging problems without any hate

Yes, @@snubdawg1386 , but when people say that phrase, it ISN'T ABOUT people respectfully bringing up genuine discussion. It's about people who are talking a bunch of bullshit and spreading complete and utter shite.

Your profile name👏👏

all he was saying what that daphne was thick skinned. im so sick of people failing to realize the point he made early on in the show: IM GOING TO PUSH THESE JOKES AND TOPICS TO MAKE A POINT.

@@corneliusrawness ur not getting it. White people say that about their black friends who let them say racist shit all the time. If you are a minority every day you have to choose, do I speak my mind and piss everyone off or just go along with things to make them comfortable, and every year you are pressured to be more like her. Compliant, yielding, unbothered. You’re left thinking Hopefully if I’m the trans girl no one is bothered by they’ll be my friend. That’s how cis people want every trans girl to live like. To accept that people will not respect them and often hate them and not let it hurt them.

@@possiblymaybe6711 no you aren't getting it. those initial jokes in the past specials were not cancel-able jokes... you want to take Dave's whole career over those jokes? Stop. And stop equating this to racism. There is no equating the two: another point Dave made. The whole thing is stop going into attack mode as soon as a comedian makes a joke... like they don't open up a dialog as to why that might be harmful no... they bully his friend into killing themselves.

@@heatherlee2967 I see you’re point about “one of the good ones” but Dave Chappell made it clear his problem is with WHITE PEOPLE. And white people who are trans have been able to achieve so much more acceptance than black people as a whole after years of marching, protesting, voting and DYING. He even pointed out the amount of privilege a trans white person has over a black trans person, so he wasn’t forgetting at all the black lgbtq people exist…he was making a point that black people are still oppressed while white trans gain more acceptance. Dave Chappell spoke honestly about how he felt, maybe he hurt feelings but he spoke the truth and many other peoples truths.

That's my question too.

YES....when he went on his self imposed hiatus in 2005...we longed for his social commentary on many of the strange inequitable things that were happening all over society....especially now....yet he keeps choosing to fixate on trans people. It's weird, creepy and I feel is concealing something deeper.

You can really see where is head is at.... And it's not with the younger generation that's for sure. I know see his defense of Trump as a bit of a red flag.

This!! And If he really means it when he says he hates white people, 2020 provided more material than ever. The protests to open stores, the anti maskers, the anti vaxxers, the joe Biden lovers, the trump lovers who want to kill Joe Biden, of all the things that white people have gathered to do in the past year, how did he land on Trans people?? Its such a wierd reach, so removed from reality. And it honestly just displays how out of touch this wealthy man is. He hates white people, but he'll still do a set about Trans people. Strange

@@anjalis4845 he defended trump??? How did i miss that?

My heart hurts too, i couldnt believe it

I really like this poem. Remember it from middle school. So important it’s ethos.

I love this poem, read it back in 8th grade, goated

Sending love to you. Hopefully one day you can come out safely and do exactly what you need to do with your life 💕

Ditto from an egg. I was really worried when I saw FD say he was doing a video on it, because I've seen a few people who have had just fucking terrible takes on this whole topic who I had liked in the past & reinforcing the idea that you can't trust the cis. So it's also nice to see a cis person not be trash on this topic, plus looking at it from this perspective as a Black person.

Hey, I just wanna say you rock and it's okay to take it as slow as you need to feel comfortable. :)

Eventually you’ll get out of whatever situation you feel like you need to hide from. Keep ticking my friend

I would just like to say big love to you. I hope you can find a place where you are ready and safe to express yourself soon. But in the meantime you are every bit as valid as any one of us 💖

Yes bro i dont agree with his pov most of the time but hearing it is always enlightening

Thank you seriously for hearing out perspectives that you don't agree with; as a philosophy major this was like something i had to learn to appreciate and uiltilize to help me have a more fuller and expansive worldview

@@JaylaPLuna philosophy is so interesting I’m doing an ethics class rn studying Kant and mills and allat I just worry how practical it is in the working world. What do you plan to use your Phil major towards if you don’t mind me asking

@@wince9537 I studied philosophy I’m in law school now

@@birdeater2848 which of his opinions do you disagree with

who cares

It's just projection. Conservatives have been canceling shit for decades. The satanic panic against metal, Dungeons and Dragon, and violent video games. The Dixie chicks being anti war, etc.

@@corneliusrawness projection is a key symptom of stupidity and ignorance. I don't know how you haven't learned this, but let me baby you through it "I don't care about this" Doest not equal "Nobody cares about this" More projection than a middle school during the 2000s.

@@corneliusrawness If my friend used my death to mock and belittle ANY aspect of my life and justified their ignorance by saying the community was what killed me, that's killing me again. I'm not really accepted by the queer community, the Black community, the mixed community, most cis female groups, or even the neurodivergent communities. Doesn't give ANYONE the right to make bigoted and ignorant statements on my behalf about those communities.

@@radicaldradcliffe4201 i asked who cares.. maybe try answering next time if that question triggers you so bad

Agreed. I definitely missed a lot that this video highlighted but I'll always try and see where I failed and try and improve from it.

I doubt you'll apply anything. But sure.

@@cadetcyuzuzo7729 hey look a troll

Man, it’s good to see comments like this

Ur still allowed to laugh at whatever you like without having to "accept" the rhetoric

The pearl-clutchers are the those attempting to police the language of others.

@@pendejo6466 try watching the video before embarrassing yourself in the comments section, dear.

@@goblin3359 I did. In addition, I was referring to the comments because they go with the video.

@@pendejo6466 then you missed the point. Why do you feel that wealthy people with a massive platform should be immune from criticism? Dave Chappelle has the right to say what he wants in his show. What he does not have is the right to not be criticised when he says harmful things. Sorry that you think of that as 'policing'.

@@goblin3359 Criticism deserves criticism, no? In addition, it's not his wealth or fame that's under outsized scrutiny, it's his ideas; to connect the former with the latter is dishonest and only serves to muddle the conversation. Talking about missing the point. Trans people are not central to his act, historically or in a specific show. The claim Dave is making--while everyone is martyring themselves in self-pity and glorifying themselves in victimhood narratives--is that in the era of BLM, the lives of black men is cheap. All this under the glaring and silent hypocrisy of the trans movement.

I've like Kanye sin high school (2012) and going through a Kanye album always makes me frustrated because it feels like it's consistently swerving between instances of very meaningful moments of introspection, but then followed up with mean spirited bragging and narcissism. And until the recent actions of Kanye in the last few years I was always trying to figure out exactly who Kanye is trying to be, and now I think we know.

Loc’d Legion 😍

They are all ALLSTARS ⭐⭐⭐⭐

Moses Primm you say? I'm big fans of T1J and FD, I will have to check him out, so thanks for the suggestion (better than the algorithm)! Also, that's just a great name - Dread Daddies. Awesome.

I love Moses Primm he sounds WAY more huskier than he looks lol

I love the comments section, always giving me new black KZfaqrs to check out 🤩😍 Omg wait, Moses Primm runs Hood Cinema???

And people defending him for it! He has a great repertoire but this new shit is so lazy in comparison

@@Squishy876 Chappelle and Gervais wake up every day depressed that it's still not 2005 again.

@@samfilmkid Don't even get me started on Ricky. Shit, FD needs a deep dive on that asshole

@@samfilmkid word

@@samfilmkid word

Love that.

We love that. If you want to learn more, I could recommend a few queer and poc creators, but off the top of my head, CJ for K, Kat Blaque, Alexander Avila are all break

Also Princess Weekes is excellent.

Also, a fan of Dave from start. Literally gave him change for telling jokes when I was in HS and he was busking in Washington Square Park.

@@AB-nb2ic That’s pretty cool :)

Yeah, the reason why it's funny is because it was complete joke. The closer was feeling empathy. He also said he always goes at white people. Those white people laughing and him realizing they are laughing at him not with him could be lgbt too.

@@turtlecoal If The Closer was about empathy, then I don't feel like his audience was actually taking that to heart. I've just seen them use Dave's comedy/commentary as a way to bash and insult trans people.

@@MayorOfEarth79 when you’re dealing with people who don’t wanna see your side it doesn’t matter what you say or how you say it it won’t get through & they won’t hear you until you bend the knee & say “you’re right” even when they’re not so you can stand your ground & know what you’re saying & doing along with the intent is right & be hated for it or you can kiss ass & be “loved”

@@turtlecoal If The Closer was about empathy, apparently Chapelle sucks at it.

@@MayorOfEarth79 That's you personally & apparently not everyone feels that way, including some in the LGBT community.

I will say I do believe Frank at one point acknowledged his wrong doings, which is why he hasn’t been called out.

@@Limptastical I have seen nothing about that, so I'm skeptical. But I would (for the sake of my teenage self) love for it to be true that he's acknowledged his bad takes. That would have to have been in the last... 11 years, 'cause "Holy Terror" was some pretty egregiously racist, islamophobic trash and that was 2011. Again, I would love to find out this is true!

Alan Moore wrote Watchmen and The Killing Joke but he also wrote Lost Girls which is one of the most baffling things I've ever read and if you have not read it, you should read a synopsis before you do. You'll never catch me defending it.

Exactly what I fell Into. There’s an obvious bias towards celebrities that you and I may look up too. An instinctive para social defense to people who’s content you enjoy.

@@mystical5868 Even the killing joke is heavily, heavily controversial, and a large majority of people hate that comic.

Yeah, the biggest letdown to me about Chappelle's more recent stuff is that he seems to not really try to be funny or tell jokes anymore, he just says what he thinks. Granted, some of the best comedians do that and it can be brilliant, but, Idk, I guess I just miss the days when Dave was more funny?

@@LeonardoDaVinciLulz He implied the opposite of what? That his trans friend's family (the one who died) still supported him? "In this day and age" trans people are still treated like a lesser people by even other oppressed groups. You do not gain power by being trans. He was trying to play HIS audience who already know who he is and mostly support his statements. He was trying to shock his critics who already don't like him. He's trying to say the dirty thing because someone told him he shouldn't. It's a pride thing at this point.

@@JLittleBass yeah I've noticed that with almost all my favorite comedians. It's like they get to a point where they're basically uncancelable and then let it rip with every edgy thought they've had the past few years. It can make for a decent joke but it can also just be a rant of madness. I still respect them all as great comedians but it's almost like they need to realize they're not invincible and their beliefs don't deserve extra protection just because they're professional joke tellers

@@Nick-yv1wy No, the mother did not like him, and HE supported the daughter, not the other way round. And regardless of what you say, the media and quite a few people are pro-trans, not anti-trans, what are you looking at that you cannot see this? You consider trans dirty? Lol okay. It's not a pride thing, it's a fact.

@@LeonardoDaVinciLulz he used her siblings support of him (not sure if you watched the whole show) as justification for his actions. He pretended that because they approved, he wasn't in the wrong. It's not that hard to just listen.

Dam that's deep

His interactions with trans people are very skewed. If he had some real trans friends or was close to a trans person he'd understand a bit but then he'd probably tell some jokes that are received well by the community and touch upon common ground.

No . . . That doesn't make sense. . . Being gay was against the law once a time . . When blacks had to sit on the back of the bus and were getting hung at gay white folks ancesters picnics, just because they existed. . White people made those laws. Black people were trying to survive and tried to stay away from anything that would put a target on their backs including having a heavy white influenced Christian lens that included being fearful to come out as gay and get cursed and banish from all you knew. . the church. . . Black folks didn't want to live a sad horrible traumatized servatude life and miss out on their only opportunity to get a mansion. Forgive the black community. It wasn't about feeling like they were better. . It was FEAR that has been seared in the minds, taught, and passed down. Blacks people are a true loving and too often too forgiving community that's been raped, beat down, stolen from, lied to, experimented on, poisoned and gaslightd on, often than not selfhatn N hurt community that has lost its true identity. Not an excuse just fact.

Black feel away about white people Really don't care about LGBT

They love punching down on black women too. Just listen to how David Chappelle talks about black women, they're always sluts or prostitutes in his stories, they're often getting abused, and there's never any sympathy expressed for their plight.

But that's the thing through. It's Racism. It's not about being trans or queer. That's the problem I have with this whole video. Dave isn't talking about racism in his special. He's talking about the entire trans community.

100% i think the black “community” is very difficult to be part of. If you don’t act a certain way that the community subscribes to (being cis, straight, godfearing, dressing and speaking a certain way ) you’re left on your own. Hence why being a gay black person is so damn difficult.

I'm still unclear where Dave said anyone needed to be "black first", he was comparing how the LGBTQ has made further progress then the black community did. This whole "black first" thing, is being completely misinterpreted.

My oldest brother is gay and he said the exact same thing. My observation on it is that if you're black and gay, or Trans, etc... then it's harder to be gay than black. But I'm not quite sure the same goes for white folks who are homosexual. Again this is my observation, but a lot of them still Tap into that privilege and have the same societal ideologies.

@@anthonygraham8122 That doesn’t make sense. How could that statement even apply to White people? I don’t think anyone is saying it’s hard to be White in America.

And for the record. I haven’t watched the closer. I stopped watching Dave after his last special. I remember when I was younger (in college) my ex hated him because she thought he always portrayed black people (in particular women) in terrible ways. Like he never had white folks as Crack heads or meth heads on his show. I remember my father not liking because he thought his jokes were irresponsible and that he was having conversations not meant to be had in front of white folks. I.E. White people not getting the underlying meaning and just laughing at nigga jokes. (He proved my pops right by the way). So maybe Dave has always been problematic and we just evolved and he didn't. Like. I don't believe in canceling anybody. I don't think it exists. Buy I just chose not to watch it.

well first of all stop using the word community, that's how you show that you're not really a liberal at all and that your hypocritical about your comments since deep down you still view the whole issue in the wrong way.

@@larrote6467 cool word salad, try saying something next time

@@larrote6467 did u not watch the video ur proving my point..u pick out one word which was community?, for what, and what does being liberal have to do with what I'm saying, are u a bot, and how I'm I viewing it in the wrong way😭

@@brian_Austin27 sweety, you didn't say anything wrong. That person is a troll, a bot or both. A trollbot, if you will.

"people telling me to choosing between men and women, and now choosing my queerness and race" And you still made your choices and lived your life, right? If you want others to make feel accepted and respected, you're entitled to neither. To demand so is merely weak and pathetic.

"when I heard this millionaire pretend that his existence was being threatened by what any non-famous, constantly touring, jobber comedian would call a tough room or a set that didn't work." Seriously. Many famous people including famous comedians lose their humility with time. Or they never had to build it in the first place. This issue is beyond all the political points. I mean I can only learn the sociopolitical aspects from the internet anyway for I am not even American, but I see this mindset in my own country and its celebrities. And I get angry because these people don't acknowledge their influence on people.

"...someone with such a large voice using it to harm/exclude people (mainly black LGBT+ people)." He advocated neither the harm nor the exclusion of trans.

It was a joke…. Get over it

Be mad all you want 😂

@@jetnight88 their heart was warmed, they weren't mad

@@jetnight88 a lack of self awareness brings projection

@@jetnight88 not u crying over nothing lol

I don't understand how The trans community is somehow special? I laugh at jokes about gay people, I laugh at jokes about white people, disabled jokes, and jokes about the south. Somehow him crossing the line twice is fine with all these other groups, but crossing the line and talking about a trans woman throwing her dick on the table is too far Obviously that's just ridiculous hyperbole nobody thinks somebody is really throwing their dick on a table. Honestly, I will give you the whole terf thing he needs to acknowledge that there are some terrible evil elements in that group. Besides the terf thing, I didn't really find his comments that crazy. Trans-women shouldn't be able to compete in gender-segregated sports though, especially at the highest level. A young woman who is biologically male should still be able to play in school or go about her day without harassment or difficulty, At the highest level in sports though you are taking spots away from biological women who are only limited by their biology. Prior to changing gender the female swimmer Lia Thomas was ranked in the mid 200's of male swimmers, but simply due to her biological advantage she stole a national championship away from the very best in the female division. If you are caught using testosterone months prior to competing in sports even if you tested clean prior to competition you will face sanctions. It's an unfair advantage and the only way to normalize it is to allow female athletes to take testosterone for years prior to competition. Just seems like people are so brittle. Nobody is going to go out and curb-stomp somebody over a joke about throwing a dick on a table. So many legitimate threats to the civil liberties of marginalized groups that a couple jokes that push the line are not a big deal. I mean you analyzed the whole special and found 3-4 jokes and 1-2 comments that were inflammatory. I guess when your career is built on finding issue with things and discovering outrage its very easy to cast stones.

But you realise that a community is created .. they are not born into taking hormones or growing breasts or insisting they can get pregnant ... they cannot deny DNA anymore then people can deny their very cell structure and family lineage. Why do we talk in concentric falsehoods of misguided idealism? It is a LIE and advocating for people who are not who they are born as and engaging in their self-delusion isn't honourable - it is supporting a lie.

Maybe it’s all the estrogen he is sucking down with oat milk soy and almond…

He's a unicorn... and I'm glad to be a subsciber

@@Skabaniskys ❤

Perfect rant!🖤

"You think he doesn't know that?" is an absolute CIIC finisher there. By which I mean: Concise, Incisive, Informative, and Clear.

Khadija thank you for shouting this channel. Found a gem.

Yes!

Wouldn't have got here without your shout-out

When I saw him do that I deadass lit some nag champa lol

Intersectionality is an important part of minority issues these days. A good example of the sort of thing you're talking about is how terfs claim to be feminist but ally with open misogynists and fascists. When you start sacrificing other's rights for your own internal bs you quickly find yourself on the side of the oppressor. Hence Dave ending up portrayed positively by right wing news.

😊 then you accept everything dave has said. To not would make you a hypocrite. Accept everybody. 🤗

@@halcyon6098 Thats not how any of this works lol. There's a difference between criticism and bigotry, and a difference between an individual and an entire minority group.

Imagine a Black person telling another Black person that the are not Black. That is the most far left lunatic bigoted thing imaginable.

@@halcyon6098 how incredibly reductive

Thank you! He made it about him.

Maybe it's not up to you to "educate" people like a self-serious educator of "black folks."

It’s not black peoples “responsibility” to support a sinful lifestyle

More empathy than what the trans showed Daphene that's for sure.

Same!!!! 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

It did actually. Literal tears over here 😢. I will blame Fiq as suggested.

it was so great to hear your perspective on this! i love your avi:)

me too tee

Omg, I love your content 😃

waiting to hear your take on the topic as well

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OMG THE QUEEN, love your content!!!!