I'm Neither A Man Nor The Man!

Indeed. An Eagle man.

He is eagle

He is a true genius And an incredible teacher and generous with his knowledge.

what for?

Not really. Our unconscious serves up its decision to our conscious mind, which thinks that IT is making the decision. In fact, the unconscious made the decision and the conscious mind just believes that it is in charge. After underdanding this, I no longer get mad at myself (weird idea, huh) for doing something. I was only doing as ordered. But am I ultimately responsible if I do something bad? Can I blame it on my unconscious? I am responsible. Society can't throw just my unconscious in jail or fine it. I am responsible for my decisions.

Well, where does the decision come from, that you decided for B instead of A? We can't choose our emotional preferences. If we could, those decisions would also be determindey by emotional preferences. To prefer chocolate over vanilla is the same as going to the gym instead of going to a party: in that moment, what do you have to do with the fact that you prefered going to the gym over going to the partying? "Well, I was tempted to go to the party, but I chose against it!", you could say. No, you chose nothing, it was chosen for you. In that moment it was more important to go to the gym than going to the party and you could nothing do about it. We can't want what we want. Everything, our decisions, impulses, preferences, thoughts and emotions are coming out of the dark, like hick-ups. If you look closely, we are just the watchers of this coming and going, the monitor rather than it's content. I get my personal responsibility out of two things: the law of cause and effect (everything I do has an impact) and the fact, that I can't know what will happen next ( I can't know my fate so to speak). But as soon as I look back, I just try to get the lesson, drop the rest and give life my best shot (in fact, we always move through life giving it our best shot, nothing we can do about it ;)).

@Tony G The Consciousness and Brain how it works is explained long back in the earliest Veda (the Rig Veda Samhita) range between 3500 BCE years by Indian sages. Refer the video given below which explains it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNOpg656l7DPXWg.html Samkhya-Yoga Research on psi phenomena (parapsychology and psychic phenomena are used as synonyms here) has produced a huge body of results that were collected largely in carefully controlled trials (e.g., Utts, 1991). However, almost all of these studies were not concerned with the impact of yoga practice or meditation, and quite often had undergraduates (and not advanced practitioners of yoga) as participants. We cannot provide a comprehensive overview of all these research results, old and new, for want of space (see Radin, 2006, 2013; Rao, 2010, for such overviews, and May, 1995, 1996; Targ, 2012; Radin, 2013, p. 268, for some striking anecdotal examples), but we will summarize the results of research traditions within psi research that have produced enough studies to allow for meta-analyses.

well we actually can ..we have pretty much the same thoughts that we had a day before so tomorrow you will do pretty much what you do today and what you done yesterday

Unless, of course, you work at inputting (programming) your mind conciously over time with constructive, positive and healthy habits in thought and action. Doing supra, will train your subconscious to return results to your concious mind that will be the sum of all the input and action creating a better you that makes better decisions on limited cues in the present. In thay way, one can influence not only consciousness but also the future of consciousness and decision making.

walter bishop certainly we decide or make up our mind about things before we "think about them" at least in many cases.

Marwan Abdullah David Lynch (the filmmaker/artist) says "Ideas Come To Us... from The Ether..."

Sabata XYZ he talk about that in " incognito: the secret lives of the human brain" spoiler alert: it has to do with how blind people have heightened senses of the 4 they have left

that free real estate is taken over by other senses

cvetko jovcevski explain it more. Please

Good wisdom/share with us more ++

+madmax2976 What is rationality and why can't deterministic system be rational ?

Rational - "in accordance with reason or logic." I never suggested that deterministic systems couldn't be "rational" rather I noted that, if Eagleman is correct, any conclusions would not be a result of his conscious,rational deliberation, but rather simply how the underlying deterministic systems caused him to think. Systems that could lead to correct or incorrect conclusions. Going with this idea, is it not a mistake to consider ourselves responsible for adhering to scientific methodologies and the conclusions that we derived from them?

+madmax2976 If reason and logic are things that can also arise out of the the same lines of thought, it can be rational I think. "underlying deterministic systems caused him to think" -- I think this might be misleading - deterministic systems did not cause him to think, but rather a deterministic is him. Whether it is the deterministic thing that is talking (or not), as you say rationality is reason and logic, if he has reason and logic to back up the thoughts, in addition to claims, he can claim to be rational and/or be seen as one. But I also think there are some limits to what science can claim. The claim for lack of free will is one that breaks it for the reason you mentioned. The only problem is, there is no positive reason for the other claim of having free will, other than- we feel like it.

Infinitiely I think one "positive reason" for free will is that we experience that we do have it. But I'm willing to consider this is illusory - in which case - as many who deny it's existence have claimed, there would be no moral responsibility. I submit there would also be no emotional responsibility, no scientific responsibility - no responsibility of any kind. The alternative is cherry picking what we are responsible for. I think Eagleman is essentially arguing that our conscious selves aren't responsible for a lot of the things we think and do - and perhaps none of the things we think and do. We may essentially be automatons. This is an idea to consider but it means our conscious selves wouldn't be responsible for any scientific conclusions we make either, including that we are automatons.

+madmax2976 "If no free will --> no responsibility" itself does not work without free will. It is as if -because we have no free will, we'll use our free will to not have responsibilities. Once the state is that we have no free will, we can't make any implication, linkage or rational, (well you can, but can't consistentently claim it to be something that must be valid as a result in absolute sense, although argument can be made that there is no useful world beyond what we can see and how we explain it - where rationality gets new meaning from the previous). For same reason, can't use science to show there is no free will. But it does show in many cases, our feeling of free will are predictable before it is available to our consciousness. And yes, I also think the same about what Eagleman arguing. But I don't think it goes that far. It could be that we are deterministic autonomous system, but we certainly exhibit consciousness, it is something that is in the chain for building some scientific conclusion. Like the last comment, I would say, it's not that a deterministic system is controlling consciousness, but the deterministic system in question is consciousness. So, consciousness is probably responsible unless it is very separate and only function as the story we tell ourselves.

That is not what he is saying. We have agency, a small amount thereof, through which we can alter political, economic structures to such an extent that the next generation and/ or others will have different experiences than we do, ie. we can alter the functioning of other neurological humans. So that's quite important, I think, for establishing better tomorrows

Science doesn’t accept that there is a soul, so they are amazed at their mechanical reductionism. Slot machine creativity.

@S r , The Consciousness and Brain how it works is explained long back in the earliest Veda (the Rig Veda Samhita) range between 3500 BCE years by Indian sages. Refer the video given below which explains it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNOpg656l7DPXWg.html Samkhya-Yoga Research on psi phenomena (parapsychology and psychic phenomena are used as synonyms here) has produced a huge body of results that were collected largely in carefully controlled trials (e.g., Utts, 1991). However, almost all of these studies were not concerned with the impact of yoga practice or meditation, and quite often had undergraduates (and not advanced practitioners of yoga) as participants. We cannot provide a comprehensive overview of all these research results, old and new, for want of space (see Radin, 2006, 2013; Rao, 2010, for such overviews, and May, 1995, 1996; Targ, 2012; Radin, 2013, p. 268, for some striking anecdotal examples), but we will summarize the results of research traditions within psi research that have produced enough studies to allow for meta-analyses.

Science has nothing to say about fault or blame, guilt or innocence, and since this one individual was the only person in the universe who had control of their own muscles at that moment, it isn't unreasonable to assign blame to that individual. The judge can worry about extenuating circumstances or justifications.

That is true, but from a philosophical perspective and just food for thought, nobody chooses what they do, who they are etc, you might say that someone can choose not to abuse that person, but they have been born with a certain brain and a certain parentage that will determine that they "decide" to do a certain thing And it goes a hell of a lot deeper and more complex than that also

Jungle Jargon so being out of their mind is "free will"?