David Hume, Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion (the arguments) - Introduction to Philosophy

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Gregory B. Sadler

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In this lecture/discussion session from my 2013 Introduction to Philosophy class at Marist College, we finish up our study of David Hume's classic work in Philosophy of Religion, Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion, by focusing on most of the arguments about God's existence and God's nature made between his three interlocutors -- Philo, Demea, and Cleanthes. After engaging in some review about terminology , we look first at Demea's a priori cosmological arguments. Then, we examine in more detail Cleanthes a posteriori arguments from analogy, i.e. design arguments, and examine what makes such arguments strong or weak. We then look at the alternative models of divinity proposed by Philo, and finish by discussing whether we can really know anything about a transcendent God's nature
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@salcarusomusicvideo
@salcarusomusicvideo 11 жыл бұрын
Excellent Dr. Sadler !! Love your teaching style ... It is very refreshing / welcoming . I can definitely see how you ignite critical thinking within your students - the catalyst in the molding of great minds . More teachers like you !! Peace / LOVE
@queensoftheocean
@queensoftheocean 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Gregory. It was a very interesting introduction to some of these arguments. This has got me thinking about the nature of God on a whole new level.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 9 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@mauricioa.ocegueda3144
@mauricioa.ocegueda3144 9 жыл бұрын
Dr. Sadler, Thank you so much for your great work and contributions as well. The quantity of help that your videos have provided me with is to much to take its measure. Best Genuinely, Mauricio A.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 9 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@McSwan7
@McSwan7 11 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic lecture, Dr. Sadler. Cheers
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 10 жыл бұрын
Good response! I do get to see who is thinking about the material when I read their papers -- at least 1 per week
@Jazzywho
@Jazzywho 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these videos. It has been a huge help to me.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 10 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to read that. You're welcome!
@ivanacurkovic1489
@ivanacurkovic1489 7 жыл бұрын
thank you prof. Sadler, your lecture helped my a lot in understanding Hume's theory of religion! Since in Croatia we don't have his works translated, this was really really helpful because only reading Hume I haven't undestood everything said. Greetings from Croatia
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 7 жыл бұрын
Glad to read that the video has been useful for you
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@Rviere
@Rviere 7 жыл бұрын
So glad this video exists omg. I'm French and I have to translate some of the words, but this is helping me understamd my own textbooks haha
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 7 жыл бұрын
Glad it's helpful for you
@DiminishedStudios
@DiminishedStudios 10 жыл бұрын
They did. As a philosophy student, myself, when asked a philosophical question, I am first silenced by thought, then I am silenced by my own internal rebuttals, and it can take several minutes, hours, years etc before I even attempt to answer it. It is more important that they are engaging the question, than trying to answer it quickly.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you like it -- and my style. I'm pretty much stuck with it, I think -- I don't really know how else to teach!
@southtx15
@southtx15 10 жыл бұрын
Oh, tell me it ain't true that college professors have forgotten Port Arthur, Texas' favorite daughter - Janis! Good lecture. glad you made it available.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын
part 2 of the class discussion on David Hume
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын
Right now, I'm an adjunct, teaching just Intro and Ethics for Marist. At previous positions, I've taught about 20 or different courses in Philosophy and Religious Studies -- too many to list. If you go to my CV on my blog or on my academia.edu you can get more specific information about courses. It is a good major as far as satisfaction. It's ok, money-wise. Jobs teaching philosophy are hard to come by though
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 10 жыл бұрын
+Mike Masztal -- Yes, if they're sufficiently motivated
@heterosapien8426
@heterosapien8426 9 жыл бұрын
If someone was to be convinced of the Prime Mover argument, how then could they reason "God" to then not be the cause of any negative attribute. I.e. Prime Mover and Omnibenevolence is a contradiction. Is there an argument that could address the prime mover, and at the same time dispel fault for evil? p1 The Prime Mover created everything p2 Everything is not "All-good" Therefore, The Prime Mover is not "All-good"
@heterosapien8426
@heterosapien8426 9 жыл бұрын
dakota demaris(caused, instead of created)
@kanteannightmare
@kanteannightmare 7 жыл бұрын
+dakota demaris good exists without evil, not evil without good.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 10 жыл бұрын
Well, there you have put your finger on Hume's strategy. And, yes, Philo's skepticism is only going to be allayed in the end by him adopting a completely fideist point of view (btw, echoing the skeptic philosopher in Cicero's own dialogue On the Nature of the Gods)
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын
Interesting -- yes, there's a lot more to be said about the argument in general, given how much more humans can "design" these dats
@Mike82ARP
@Mike82ARP 10 жыл бұрын
Another excellent lecture!! Do you think high school students are capable of studying this work?
@salcarusomusicvideo
@salcarusomusicvideo 11 жыл бұрын
ha-ha !! Thank you for posting these great classes ... GODspeed 'teach' !!
@DiminishedStudios
@DiminishedStudios 10 жыл бұрын
Great lecture. I guess I would sort of agree with Cleanthes on the issue of having a boundary for the "why" question. If all he is trying to do is develop an argument, that reveals even a small part of the nature of God, then it really isn't necessary for him to dismiss his argument because it raises another question. Philo's veiled skepticism could be taken to such an extreme, that it wouldn't be possible for him to know anything, because he would always require explanations of explanations.
@johnbrown3361
@johnbrown3361 11 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Can you do a lecture/class on Hume's origins of justice? And why it is artificial?
@intelligentdesign2295
@intelligentdesign2295 Жыл бұрын
I think we can provide counterarguments to many of Hume's objections. "A great number of men join in building a house or a ship, in rearing a city, in framing a commonwealth: why may not several deities combine in contriving and framing a world?" (Dialogues) Response: "And, to jump ahead a bit, there are two further problems with polytheism as an explanation of the existence of not merely a universe but a universe governed throughout space and time by the same natural laws . If this order in the world is to be explained by many gods, then some explanation is required for how and why they cooperate in producing the same patterns of order throughout the universe. This becomes a new datum requiring explanation for the same reason as the fact of order itself. The need for further explanation ends when we postulate one being who is the cause of the existence of all others, and the simplest conceivable such-I urge-is God. And, further, the power of polytheism to explain this order in the world is perhaps not as great as that of theism. If there were more than one deity responsible for the order of the universe, we would expect to see characteristic marks of the handiwork of different deities in different parts of the universe, just as we see different kinds of workmanship in the different houses of a city. We would expect to find an inverse square of law of gravitation obeyed in one part of the universe, and in another part a law that was just short of being an inverse square law-without the difference being explicable in terms of a more general law." (Richard Swinburne "The Existence Of God") "If the physical universe is the product of intelligent design, rather than being a pure accident, it is more likely to be the handiwork of only one rather than more than one intelligence. This is so for two broad reasons. The first reason is the need for theoretical parsimony. In the absence of any evidence for supposing the universe to be the handiwork of more than one intelligence rather than only one, then, faced with a choice between supposing it the handiwork of one or of more than one intelligent designer, we should choose to suppose it to be the creation of only one. For it is not necessary to postulate more than one to account for the phenomena in question. The second reason for preferring the hypothesis of there being only one designer of the universe to supposing more than one is that the general harmony and uniformity of everything in the universe suggest that, should it be the product of design, it is more likely to be the handiwork of a single designer, rather than a plurality of designers who might have been expected to have left in their joint product some trace of their plural individualities. " (David Conway "Rediscovery Of Wisdom") “But how this argument can have place where the objects, as in the present case, are single, individual, without parallel or specific resemblance, may be difficult to explain.” (Dialogues) Response: "From time to time various writers have told us that we cannot reach any conclusions about the origin or development of the universe, since it is the only one of which we have knowledge, and rational inquiry can reach conclusions only about objects that belong to kinds, for example, it can reach a conclusion about what will happen to this bit of iron only because there are other bits of iron, the behaviour of which can be studied. This objection has the surprising, and to most of these writers unwelcome, consequence, that physical cosmology could not reach justified conclusions about such matters as the size, age, rate of expansion, and density of the universe as a whole (because it is the only one of which we have knowledge); and also that physical anthropology could not reach conclusions about the origin and development of the human race (because, as far as our knowledge goes, it is the only one of its kind). The implausibility of these consequences leads us to doubt the original objection, which is indeed totally misguided." (Richard Swinburne "The Existence Of God") "By tracing the origin of the physical universe to a supposed 'Big Bang', modern cosmology places Hume in the following dilemma. Either, he must deny that the physical universe as a whole is singular and unique, on the grounds that it resembles other things besides it that explode, such as grenades. Or, alternatively, should he insist on the uniqueness of the physical universe, he must concede that there are some unique things which are capable of standing as terms of causal relations." (David Conway "Rediscovery Of Wisdom") "[I]f we survey the universe ..., it bears a great resemblance to an animal or organized body, and seems actuated with a like principle of life and motion. A continual circulation of matter in it ...: a continual waste in every part is incessantly repaired: the closest sympathy is perceived throughout the entire system: and each part or member ... operates both to its own preservation and to that of the whole [I]t must be confessed, that... the universe resembles more a human body than it does the works of human art and contrivance [Y]et is the analogy also defective in many circumstances ...: no organs of sense; no seat of thought or reason; no one precise origin of motion and action. In short, it seems to bear a stronger resemblance to a vegetable than to an animal." (Dialogues) Response: "Hume's argument seems weak. Hume's claim is that the physical universe - more specifically, our solar system - bears a closer resemblance to some animal or a vegetable than it does some machine or other artefact. The claim is unconvincing. In its manifest workings, the physical universe in general, and our own solar system in particular, exhibits a degree of regularity and predictability that far exceeds that which is exhibited by any animal or vegetable. After all, it is by the sun that we set our clocks and not by the comings and goings of sun-flowers or salamanders! That this is so suggests that the physical universe more closely resembles some regular and predictable machine or artefact, for example a clock, than it does any far less regular and predictable animal or vegetable. " (David Conway "Rediscovery Of Wisdom") "In such a ... succession of objects, each part is caused by that which preceded it and causes that which succeeds it. Where then is the difficulty? But the whole, you say, wants a cause. I answer that the uniting of parts into a whole, like the uniting of several distinct countries into one kingdom, .. . is performed merely by an arbitrary act of the mind and has no influence on the nature of things. Did I show you the particular causes of each individual in a collection of twenty particles of matter, I should think it very unreasonable should you afterwards ask me what was the cause of the whole twenty. This is sufficiently explained in explaining the cause of the parts." (Dialogues) Response: "Consider an illustration. Suppose that the series of contingent beings were merely a series of self-propagating robots, each one bringing the next into existence. No matter how far back in time you go, there was just one of these robots functioning. Each robot functions for, say, ten years, then, in the last few minutes of functioning, propagates a new robot. (Just as the new robot starts to function, the old one ceases to function and disintegrates.) Now, in this scheme, we have a cause for the existence and functioning of each of the robots. But we have not identified a cause of the robot series as a whole. For example, what causes (or caused) the series to be one of robots rather than one of rocks, roses, rats, or reindeer? What is the cause of there being any robots at all? That question has not been answered. In the same way, even if we know that each contingent being is caused to exist by some other contingent being, we still do not have an explanation for the fact that there are contingent beings. There might have been nothing at all or only necessary beings. " (Stephen Layman "Letters To Doubting Thomas") "But Leibniz makes a similar point in putting forward his own version of the rationalist cosmological argument, when he notes that if we were told that a certain geometry textbook had been copied from an earlier copy, that earlier copy from an earlier one still, that one from a yet earlier copy, and so on infinitely into the past, we would hardly have a sufficient explanation of the book we started out with. For why does the series of books as a whole exist with precisely the content they have rather than some other content? Tracing the series of causes backward forever into the past seems to leave the most important fact about the phenomenon to be explained untouched. " (Edward Feser "Five Proofs Of The Existence Of God")
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler Жыл бұрын
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@flywheelshyster
@flywheelshyster 9 жыл бұрын
Hume was my introduction to philosophy, picked up this book a decade ago when I was buying books for classes and wanted something to read that I wasn't required to. Looking back I think my natural inclination toward an ant-authoritarian sentiment might have been the essential reason I never graduated ( I once failed a class by never doing the reading or work and the next semester read the book and thought about it it intently the next semester, even though I never re-took it and never went back to it, I needed to prove to myself that I could easily do it and understand it, perhaps I just didn't like being told to do it...) I have had problems understanding some of Hume's stuff and am finding this helpful in clarifying the murky ground. thanks as always.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 9 жыл бұрын
Flywheel Shyster Glad the video was useful for you. I had some similar "anti-authoritarian" experiences back in my day
@dbrown2264
@dbrown2264 3 жыл бұрын
The students’ responses makes me appreciate how hard it must be to teach these subjects at the high school or even non major collegiate level. But some of the kids do seem interested, which is what you bank on, I assume.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 3 жыл бұрын
I don't find it hard to teach
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын
Eventually, down the line, when I do a political theory video sequence, I'll discuss Hume's views on justice
@Here0s0Johnny
@Here0s0Johnny 11 жыл бұрын
at the J. Craig Venter Institute, a chemically synthesized DNA-molecule was placed in empty bacteria cells. the hybrid survived. (of course, the code was not 'programmed from scratch', so the apparent 'design' isn't man-made...)
@justinwesleyhenry
@justinwesleyhenry 9 жыл бұрын
The Dude teaches philosophy of religion. 'Come on, man, I'm not trying to scam anybody here!"
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 9 жыл бұрын
I usually get that when I've got my hair down
@southtx15
@southtx15 10 жыл бұрын
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town ? I'm counting on you, Lord, please don't let me down. Prove that you love me and buy the next round, Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town ? Everybody! Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ? My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends, Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends, So oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
@southtx15
@southtx15 10 жыл бұрын
Janis Joplin - watch?v=7tGuJ34062s "Mercedes Benz" Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ? My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends. Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends, So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ? Oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV ? Dialing For Dollars is trying to find me. I wait for delivery each day until three, So oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV ?
@yippeeyokai5750
@yippeeyokai5750 9 жыл бұрын
God won't you give me a mercedes benz, I have heard Janis Joplin sing it.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 9 жыл бұрын
Yep, as have we all. What's the relevance to Hume?
@yippeeyokai5750
@yippeeyokai5750 9 жыл бұрын
I was just answering your question as to who sang the song you quoted. I am studying Hume today. I have an exam tomorrow on natural theology. I'm trying to figure out how I am going to answer a question about this dialogue. I hope I figure it out by sunrise tomorrow.
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 9 жыл бұрын
Aha. I tend to remember just the course content, not the asides, from these class sessions
@yippeeyokai5750
@yippeeyokai5750 9 жыл бұрын
I can understand that.
@soradispaul
@soradispaul 3 жыл бұрын
surprised no one knew a general definition of “a priori” and “a posteriori” in a college level course-even an introductory one. yikes!
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not. Nobody knew those terms before hearing them in classes when I went to college 30 years ago, including me
@ChildofNovusOrdo
@ChildofNovusOrdo 11 жыл бұрын
It makes me sad to see the students barely contributing at all and not really answering any questions. :|
@dmmartinez1993
@dmmartinez1993 9 жыл бұрын
are you onine?
@GregoryBSadler
@GregoryBSadler 9 жыл бұрын
Not sure what you're asking here. If you go to my KZfaq channel, you can see links to my online presence
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