Ray you had some great points regarding hunting using subsonic .300 Blackout. There are a few specialized bullets that can help give better performance, such as Hornady's SUB-X 190gr. projectile. That particular bullet will mushroom similar to a pistol hollow point, which as we all know also isn't an ideal fight stopper. However it would at least be better than a non expanding Full Metal Jacket or Open Tip Match style bullet. Thanks for making the video!

Q "but we have engineers" 😂 paper doesn't lie homie

I was kinda pulling for David all along. Thanks for giving us a channel worth watching. Be Safe.

With Q the biggest performance gain is in weight savings and size. Really just different guns. 99% of users will probably be better suited with the Ruger. It would be interesting to see groups shot with a being used chrono so we could see the deviation in velocity and if that has an affect on the group. It'd just be interesting to see what subsonic 300 ammo is the most consistent. The Q vs the B&T would be interesting.

I don’t imagine the Q people will be super happy with this. Lol I have no problem with expensive stuff, but I think it’s only natural to expect more for the money. To me what’s more suspect than the performance on the Q’s, is the fact that two would be so different. For that price they should be tested individually… You shouldn’t have to hope to get lucky on a 4k rifle.

I’ve got a mini fix and light primer strikes are definitely a thing. It only happens with certain ammo that uses the harder military type primers. I reload and I’ve found that CCI 400 primers have 100% reliability with the mini fix. It’s really fun with 300 subs and supers and also with the 223 barrel I have for it. It’s not perfect though and I can see why it gets some of the flak that it gets given the price. I noticed that yours seems to be throwing shots alot more than I would expect. You might want to take a look at changing out the barrel if you can. Proof Research makes really good barrels for this platform and Q sells some as well (if they’re in stock). It’s possible that Q will help you out, I’ve found their warranty support to be really top notch.

Another great video Ray. I think like Phillip above that the Ruger having the longer barrel is more likely to have the better groups. I’m a Q fan, but love that the “cheap” rifle came out on top for accuracy.

Great job being unbiased and truthful

Thanks for making this video. Makes me feel better about my purchase of the Ruger American.

Glad you brought up about Discrete Ballistics.... Good for you.

I didn’t hear much for first round pop on that tan Ruger American. Good stuff Ray!

Thank You Sir! I recognized the AB suppressor corrugated exterior profile from a local shop. The extra over barrel section is a great idea!💡 👍🇺🇲

I’ve been very impressed with the Ruger Americans over all. Accurate reliable affordable. They’ve held there own up against more expensive brands. Great video

Great video! Thanks for taking the time!

Good to see ya back on the range!

I really like the Ruger for hunting. You can install a Timney trigger in the Ruger American and get a really crisp, no creep 2 lb. trigger pull for about $150. Subs can be used for hunting, but you should use the right bullets (cavityback, maker, Barnes tac-tx, Hornady sub-x) and ranges should be 75 yds and closer. Hunting with subs is like bow hunting with a rifle.

Great video comparison Ray, thanks for posting

I have the raptor 10 375 with the full size reflex mounted on my 16” 300 blackout ar. It’s amazing and honestly weight wise it handles great when we are walking the ranch. Get a aero precision enhanced hand guard that fits over it, that really changed the game for me. Next is a big bore sub sonic round or a bolt action 300 blk.

I have a CVA Scout 300 blk for this exact purpose it sounds so much better than an AR in 300blk !

Great video. Exactly what I wanted to see.

Hey buddy I’m so happy you doin and looking good stay healthy and keep bringing the best content on the KZfaq. Thank you

I bought that same ruger a few years ago it never shot subs very well until I used a liner comp, I even tried different cans without much luck. I spent way too much time on the Tupperware making sure it wasn't the problem. The barrel harmonics just worked with the liner. Now suppers for some reason didn't care what was on the end it shot better than I expected around 3/4 11/4 at 100yds, subs were jackrabbit to hog (yes that's a measurement hahaha) but it's stupid quite. The action does suck but the damn thing shoots 110 v-max so good it's my pickup gun that should work for about anything I'll have time to see and stop and do what I need to, and if it falls out or gets beat up I can't get that pissed the scope cost more and if it's still fine I'll just paint it again. Great test and comparison I appreciate it!

Ruger American for 10x less money………not as smooth or trendy but if Ray shoots it better then it’s better. Also I would never shoot deer with subsonic 300 blk but I have killed deer and hogs with the Barnes 110 TTSX. I love Q and am not putting them down in anyway but it is what it is. Thank you for the great content

I’m curious how quiet these guns run in your opinion compared to the B&T 300 SPR. This was an incredible review, thanks so much for making it, might have changed my mind for my next purchase.

One thing I've found when testing primers is that the firing pin spring has enough power behind it to actually bump the shoulder of the case back a couple thousandths. Non-issue if the primer detonates and the explosion pushes it back out. But for a failure to fire situation, follow on attempts to fire will almost certainly fail as the case now has more space in the chamber to "absorb" the impact of the firing pin along with the fixed firing pin protrusion distance.

Awesome! Another dose of knowledge.

For paper punching my Ruger American in 300 blackout Loves my handholds using Hornady ELD-M 220 grain bullets. For suppression I'm using an older Sig 7.62 TI-QD. Knowing that my barrel can keep really really tight groups, I've decided I'm going to upgrade the cheesy stock to a MDT LSS-XL AR chassis. I couldn't be happier with the performance from this rifle as is.

Thanks. Great video.

Was at my LGS when they had to call the ATF to report a destroyed can. They got 3 characters in and the agent correctly guessed the make and model of the can. The manufacturer? Why Q of course. After speaking with the folks at the LGS, they reported that Q had the most damaged/destroyed cans over time - mainly due to weld issues. #2 place was Dead Air - I expect that to change with the current issues with the DA Sierra 5. I would suggest looking into other cans and gear than Q - when they are great they are OK, when they are bad they are terrible - at a huge markup. I know several people who are quite happy with their Ruger American Ranch rifles in 300 BLK, one even put his into a chassis to get the look and function he wanted. Now if you want to cheat, get a better rifle and have even more power on tap, get a rifle in 308 (your choice of brand). 308 subsonic just happens to have the same performance as 300 BLK ballistically - same projectile going the same velocity, just as easy to suppress. But supersonic 308 has a whole lot more to give than the best of 300 BLK supersonic. If you are going bolt gun, you do not need to stay with the AR pattern magazine or other limits as you are already getting away from that whole portion of the design parameters of the 300 BLK round. The advantage to the 300 BLK was to get the full advantage of the full AR parts universe with just a barrel change while enjoying what the 300 BLK can do. In bolt actions the largest aftermarket parts area is in Remington action based .308s with decent support with other manufacturers like Bergara, Tikka, Savage, Howa, Ruger and others. To get set up with those, you just need to add a can, purchase or load subsonic 308, and add whatever else you want to your 308. Presto - 300 BLK subsonic performance, with a much larger performance range once you go supersonic. If you go this route, give the Bergara 308s and the Savage 110s a look, Steyr scout if you want to get a little fancy/old school.

Great video Ray, well done!

I would be disappointed just as you are. Hopefully they will up their accuracy or they won’t be around long. Thanks for your reviews.

I picked up an SD. It’s currently in ATF jail. I’m a little disappointed to see that only one of the two Q rifles performed ok. I have a JTac Elf Owl in .300 Blackout. It’s a 7 inch barrel with a 1:5 twist. I get pretty good groups consistently with it using stelth and hush 220 grain. I am hoping my SD won’t be a lemon, because I want to swap bolts/barrels on my Elf Owl to be 7.62. I am hoping this rifle will fulfill my .300 b.o bolt action needs 🥵

The shorter barrel of the Q is what I like. Why doesn’t somebody make a ruger barrel that is 8-12”? There are other chassis out there. If ruger would make a setup like the elf owl but it takes the 5.56 mags like the Q, no one would by the Q over the budget ruger. That’s the whole in the market.

Really sucks to see because I love Q. I don’t own any other their firearms though. Just the mount system, cans, and some small stuff but I love the innovation and creativity. I’m finally going to get a mini fix and the SD’s caught my eye recently just because they’re so unique and as a collector too, I just think they’re really neat. I just need something to fill the “super secret squirrel” quiet role for a 300blk sub host. I have a CGS Hyperion I want to put on whatever I get but I wish the ruger’s had a faster twist rate. Although it appears here that it seems to stabilize subs just fine! I sure wish howa still made the 1500 mini action for 300blk. The short barrel bolt action 300blk world is very very limited. I don’t know of any other option these days besides the mini fix without chopping down a ruger or howa 16”

And a sacrificial comment for the all mighty AlGoreRhythym💪🤙🇺🇸

I have a lot highend stuff. But I’ve never seen the value in Q. Same way with the honey badger. The dd pdw is just as good for lot less

That's really damning for the Q. A four thousand dollar rifle should definitively beat a $450 off the self. I was totaling pulling for the Q to be the clear winner. The form factor is wonderful but function is greater that form.

Yep I believe everybody was pulling for David and David did it

Thanks for an awesome review Ray! Q is not worth it for me. I'm still not sure what the point of .300 BLK is. I've enjoyed my little 9MM Ruger PCC with plinking ammo (115 grain super hard cast powder coated over ~5.6 grain Power Pistol). Fun to shoot and cheap enough to shoot often. Thanks again!

300 BO is good for clearing rooms . That’s it.

I was thinking Ruger was Goliath. 😂

i like my fix and minifix. i even have ruger american rifles as well. people are just haters. do what makes you happy. we all have the same end goal as wethepeople. you should definitely set up a patreon.

every chamber reamer is different, how the barrels are made etc... sometimes cheaper rifles are made to run well with many different ammo's while expensive rifles will run well with one specific type. My Winchester model 94 with 357 mag will shoot as well as those Q's and I bought it 30 years ago for 200 bucks, no hate at all, they look badass and are super quiet. I probably would never buy one cause I live in a state where you cannot have suppressed guns but if I didn't, man it would be worth trying to work up a round that shoots well out of one cause they are cool

That Ruger with AB is pretty quiet! Edit: I'd just buy the Ruger. It did better with all the factory ammo. Imagine how well it would group with reloads.

Enjoy your videos

Hornady makes a 300 blkout subsonic hunting round. I use it with my single shot Encore Pro Hunter 10.5" pistol. For me it's a 50 yard pistol with a Red Dot.

Nice setups. I have the same aruger 300 blackout. Mine shoots about 1.5 at 100 with supers and 2” at 50 with subs. I’m not as good as you though and have only shot some hornady and fiochii rounds.

Do you have access to a normal mini fix? I’d be curious of that heat shield is affecting things. I’d like to see a head to head normal mini fix vs SD vs CVA scout single shot 300.

Would like to see the howa 1500 in 300blk too. They seem to make a nice budget rifle. I used a buddy's ruger and was not impressed with the quality. Also am hoping you'll do a comparison with the B&T

The SilencerCo harvester ammo is basically just the 208 AMAX hornady black now

Every time I hear of a guy named Tony, I think of the 40 year Team Medic with the First Special Forces Group

I’ve had a few 300 BO’s in the AR15 platform and I couldn’t get any subsonic rounds to group well. They’re fun, but I didn’t find them practical.

I would be curious to hear the AB with vs without the reflex.

How about some groups w that B&T for comparison!

Wouldn’t the shorter barrel on the Q make It less accurate compared to the ruger? I bought the Q mini fix SD myself and it’s waiting on jail for approval.

about energy, some animals die easy, most humans do. people should talk more about this.

Really like how you do your best to be unbiased & give a technical comparison first & foremost. But I want to know.. would you recommend the mini fix sd after shooting it or would you go another route if it was your money? Thanks

The question raised is regarding the army ammo...is it out of date ? or was it the gun itself loading from the magazine....I think both times you got them streight into the chamber from the box they did go. Again great content.

You should have put the liberty Goliath suppressor. Fitting for the title

I run a Ruger American with a Q Thunder Chicken and Leupold glass. I want a Mini Fix, but it doesn’t seem worth it.

Ruger american for the win baby. I had a mini fix for awhile. Sweet rifle but had light primer strikes on lots of different ammo. Had to reload with cci 400 primers. And to me that is totally un acceptable for a 4k dollar gun. The 500 dollar gun shot better and way more reliable. No brainer to me.

No Friday guns please 😂 I miss the days when social media didn't exist. A disagreement was settled in person or you called a land line. Felt good slamming that wall phone back up. Outting someone on social media is just cowardly

What were the barrel lengths? I missed it I guess.

Subsonic is the only way. How many Hollywooden movies have you seen the pistol going off in a car or closed room. The real life situation means broken ear drums or tinnitus like me in my 60s. I used ear protection but there's a wierd thing when I went hunting. No protection and no ringing ears. Adrenaline. But i have learned how to stalk properly. Hell. If bow Hunters can do it then so can I.

I think 300 blackout is a pistol round, and should be held to Pistol accuracy standards. I have never seen one that shoots “Really Well”. It seems no matter the price the cartridge is a 3-4 moa catridge at best in most cases. For what it was designed for, that’s perfect…but it’s not a catridge to chase groups with…unless you like frustration.

Cool test but I think that cartridge is best suited for ar platform for double tap room clearing

Bergara BA 13 300 Blackout

I wanna know, how do I get that military ammo or its name?

Hey Ray! try a remington 700 acc-sd 300 blk vs ruger american 300 blk

David was pretty accurate with his cheap slingshot😁

I own a ruger American and a Q mini fix . There is no comparison lol

Friday gun 😮

the q bolties are beautiful guns but I'll never buy one because of those light primer strikes. Their CS is not top of the line to say the least

RA is just hard to beat. Them Q’s didn’t impress at all. And for me and what I do I just can’t think of any reason I’d need the Q. Wouldn’t need it for urban deer hunts. Wouldn’t need it in self defense purpose. What is a good purpose for such a rig? I’m truly curious.

What power scope is good for 300 blkout?

Didn’t the 194 or 198 ME get the contract?

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I'd be interested in some chrono data. If velocities and deviations are close to the same between all of them I'd be very impressed. Other than that why would I be surprised that a 16" rifle did better than two 8" SBRs

Why i will never buy a Q product

at 6:50 you said that the 190gr was likely going to be the loudest. Why is that? wouldn't a 220 be louder because is has more energy? I don't use cans yet because I'm a lil shy of 21, but it just seems odd to me that that would be a thing.

Clear anodizing is worth $3500. 😅

While the Ruger was very impressive, and looks to be an extremely good value, it should not be understated that the Q has half of the barrel length. This will have a significant impact on accuracy as well as sound level. Those two things are unavoidable sacrifices in favor of size and weight savings.

Throw that ruger in a chasis and bam you might not have a Q but ya saved yourself the R and the S

Accuracy and reliability kills the Qs. Really disappointing to see. Wouldn't be keeping one if that was the best they could do.

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Hi, Ray!...think I would spend $4500 with Kenny at DPGunwerks instead... Question: does that suppressor overlay touch the barrel in any way (which would potentially change harmonics), or is it totally clear of the barrel once screwed on?

I had no idea companies were still manufacturing extended over-the-barrel chamber suppressors. That might be the coolest thing in this video. Might be heavy, but it's going to be hard to find a quieter can. Edit: You can frequently find these Rugers for $440-450ish. Yeah, it comes with that aesthetically questionable stock and it has a nasty, crunchy, obviously cheap and unimpressive action. The trigger probably isn't great either. But, like you said, the rifle is dirt cheap. You can do just about anything you want to it and never feel guilty for it. I would probably never spend Q money on a gun like that. I think the idea there is to have something as light, short, fast and convenient as possible. The Q gives you a folding stock, a smooth, super short and fast action, a short barrel and a really light overall package. Just the sort of thing you might want if you were planning on doing a lot of walking while carrying it. On the other hand, that accuracy, or lack thereof, definitely isn't impressing anybody.

I don’t think this is a good review. Your comparing a 16” barrel to a 8” barrel. Of course one is gonna be a tiny bit more accurate.

Bro got all that money in rifles and crying about amo

Ruger won but it seems the q is very ammo picky so I guess if you have the money to throw around its your money go for it but it's interesting to see a 500 dollar rifle compete with a 4000 dollar rifle

Not worth it…