This is a comprehensive test of the RC3, HUX 556k, Cobalt Scrambler, and the B&T SRBS 556. These are only my opinions for small sample sizes and what you should know about hearing damage using any 5.56 suppressor.
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@edhalson315414 күн бұрын
Ray, awesome information and well presented as always. I must say I am amazed you do not have WAY more subscribers with the quality of your channel and its content. You deserve to be in the millions! Respect! Hi from NZ
@shaneclose79214 күн бұрын
Great video! I love to see how much your channel has grown since I first started watching 6 or so years ago. I’m still an RC2 man. Eventually I’ll delve into the flow through stuff now that wait times are dramatically lower.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Thanks Shane! It has been fun doing the channel and I have learned a ton from it.
@SilencerShop13 күн бұрын
Great video, Ray! There is a lot of awesome information here.
@XRING13 күн бұрын
Thank you and thanks for the comment. 👍🏼
@jeffhuntley292114 күн бұрын
I actually fake hearing damage so I can ignore some of the nonsense happening around me at work:)
@XRING14 күн бұрын
🤣
@jaredandrews37911 күн бұрын
Lol epic!
@ConventionRejected14 күн бұрын
I competed in a night match at Clinton House this past weekend and noticed something interesting. We were shooting at targets between 100 and 200 yards for rifle, so in the white light division the gun smoke resulted in a significant challenge. There was a guy using the Huxwrx Ventum 5.56, and because of the flowthrough design he had the same issue with smoke as the people without a suppressor had. Namely, the gun smoke was illuminated by his weapon light and obscured his vision significantly because it was not trapped by the suppressor, as opposed to those of us using traditional cans. I am not sure if that was a specific issue related to the Ventum, his particular gun+can+ammo+light combination, or an issue with flow through cans in general. Just an interesting data point.
@davelpz334014 күн бұрын
I don’t think the Ventum 556 is out yet, it was a Ventum 762? Maybe it would make a difference if it was 556 specifically? No dog in the fight, just wondering.
@ConventionRejected14 күн бұрын
@@davelpz3340 I may have been mistaken on the exact can, it was dark and I had been up for about 20 hours at that point after all.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Great comment. I have done a lot of night matches with tons of different suppressors. I too, noticed that the reduced backpressure cans definitely vent more "smoke" out of the front. Definitely more noticeable on a calm night.
@JNOSNOW14 күн бұрын
It can be mitigated with different powders but that is hard for bulk range ammo. Cheaper ammo is a lot more gassey generally
@mve99248 күн бұрын
Sure. But he isnt getting as dumb from slurping lead.
@GearWithGabe2 күн бұрын
Wow that Cobalt can is pretty impressive for the size.
@paulmatthews203514 күн бұрын
Thank you for this video Ray, especially the section on hearing damage. I gave myself tinnitus 32 years ago via DIY work. Trust me it wrecks your life, and that’s before it develops into Menieres. I love my shooting I just don’t like loud bangs and that’s why I double up on ear protection and use a suppressor on an indoor range. This video should be compulsory viewing for every shooter. Keep up the good work!
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Thank you Paul. I really wanted to take the time to put this content out there. I know its not exciting to listen to someone talking about hearing damage but I see so many people get a new can for their AR and shoot all day at the range without any earpro. Just wanted to help share the knowledge. Thank you for watching.
@paulmatthews203511 күн бұрын
@@XRING Thank you for your comments Ray much appreciated. As you now have a SPL meter and the required skill to use it may I suggest another variation on this video! I was on range some time ago and a friend of mine rocked up with a 300 Win Mag with a muzzle break next on me on the firing line, the concussive blast off the break blew me sideways! Would it be possible to do a comparative test which shows the sound level at your ear and at a shooters ear to your left or right with no muzzle device verses the sound level at you ear and the person next to you with a muzzle break?
@Nate-zm6bd5 күн бұрын
You did good explaining how sound works. As a 20 year audio engineer I get a kick out of all these suppressor manufacturer fudding their way thru how measuring the loudness of sound works. See see our suppressor is best because our DB meter says so.
@XRING5 күн бұрын
Thanks Nate. I agree and thank you for the comment and for watching.
@olamorken14 күн бұрын
Great info from you as always Ray!
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Thank you olamorken and thanks for watching the channel.
@hillpuller9 күн бұрын
Great job with the comparisons. Very useful information. Subscribed!
@gaylordgredel9360Күн бұрын
Great unbiased information and video !!!
@DAP-177613 күн бұрын
Excellent experiment
@TheLogitech9114 күн бұрын
Taking one for the team. Thank you.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
LOL!. I really wanted to get the first hand experience with them without ear pro. Definitely makes a difference in my opinion of them.
@hesa365614 күн бұрын
Thank You Sir! I liked the comparison of the suppressors on the two barrel lengths. 👍🇺🇲
@hesa365613 күн бұрын
B&T SRBS 556 Full Size DM just showed on Silencer Sh_p with a "free" tax stamp. It has been my experience that one pays for the stamp and then is reimbursed at the appropriate time. 👍🇺🇲
@hesa365613 күн бұрын
Whoa, I just scrolled down the news letter and the B&T SRBS 762 Full Size DM also is offered with free tax stamp! 👍🇺🇲
@wisesage328912 күн бұрын
Thanks for doing this test.
@1BXB12 күн бұрын
Well done! So much information packed in. This must have taken a lot of time and effort to make this video. Thank you. Looking ahead, I hope you can add the Sig SLX and SLH cans to your testing. They have not received much coverage on social media. I am interested in learning more about their performance and design.
@OctoberPines6 күн бұрын
Your comment about the left ear is dead on. I have massive hearing loss in my left ear. While taking the test, and doing very poorly, the ENT finally asked “are you a right handed shooter?” “I am” “I see that same result, a lot, from right handed shooters”
@Boon2014 күн бұрын
I agree with you on the left ear going deaf first. I may have been dealing with that for quite a few years.
@KeterMalkuth14 күн бұрын
I really appreciate you measuring the volume of simply dropping the bolt. A lot of people likely don't understand that just the action itself on an AR is loud enough to cause hearing damage. There is, unfortunately, no such thing as a hearing safe suppressed AR, even in .300 BLK, simply because the metal-on-metal of the bolt slamming forward is too loud for regular exposure.
@mavrikmavrik30325 күн бұрын
Great testing. It’s nice to get a db rating even if it’s not an absolute rating it gives you a comparison between them. The Cobalt Kinetics was pretty impressive. Something to look into.
@ThisHandleIsntAvailableTryANew14 күн бұрын
My can has been in jail since april, I got the flow 762 for versatility across multiple gas guns. Gonna come back and watch this when I'm approved, don't want to be disappointed in my choice
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Hux makes very good cans. I completely forgot that I have a 7.62 Hux as well. I should have added that to the test as well. DANG IT!
@JNOSNOW14 күн бұрын
The Flow 762 is even quieter at the muzzle on 5.56 but sacrifices a little at ear. Love the 762 on most all of the semi autos especially 7.62x39 and 6.5 grendel
@chahahc4 күн бұрын
Ahh objective testing. Wonderful.
@jim99west4614 күн бұрын
Thanks for this reporting!
@timjohns191514 күн бұрын
Ray, another informative video. What ear pro do you use? As many caliber and barrel lengths you shoot, I'd enjoy hearing about the ear pro you use in the videos and comps.
@Sheppard203014 күн бұрын
Excellent!
@joaquin-jacknava269614 күн бұрын
Great information Ray. Good to see you posting again. Have a good week sir.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Thanks Joaquin! I am trying to stay more regular with the videos when possible. Too much to review and so little time!!! Have a great week.
@briansmith69112 күн бұрын
good stuff thanks so much!
@Joe55610005 күн бұрын
I have the Gate-Lok HUB adapter from Griffin Armament. (Works just like the B&T A2 adapter) It works great and allows me to move my Suppressor from gun to gun. It also saves money because A2 flash hiders are a lot cheaper than specific muzzle devices. The down sides are, you really need an alignment rod if you plan to use a Gate-Lok system. Because it doesn't lock onto the A2 flash hider really tightly, the suppressor moves around a lot, that made me nervous, and that's why I ordered a alignment rod, to make sure I wouldn't have a baffle strike. Glad I did too. Because it definitely would have struck the end cap. I then replaced all my crush washers with shims to help with the alignment and checked each one with an alignment rod. Second because it doesn't lock securely in place it leaks gas from the back of the suppressor. That doesn't really hurt anything but the flash hider gets really dirty.
@Snapper31414 күн бұрын
Another informative and entertaining video! Like someone else wrote, supporting the HUB system will be an important aspect when choosing my next can.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Definitely an important consideration since the cost of ownership of a suppressor is quite high when you factor in the tax stamp and accessories. 👍
@PinGorilla13 күн бұрын
I don't see anything about an inconel version of the Scrambler anywheres. Where are you getting an inconel version from and what is the weight compared to the TI version?
@thatoneguy454c5 күн бұрын
Well 160 db will most likely blow your eardrums, but 170+ db can end you. 240 db would quite literally cause your head to explode and liquify your internal organs.
@ncsteeltoe14 күн бұрын
This man sacrificing himself for us. 😁
@boatscrypto585614 күн бұрын
Where is the Sig Flow Through suppressor? Can you compare the PTR and Sig Flow Through suppressors to the HUX?
@backwardog13 күн бұрын
Have you ever tested with a blank round. In airgun testing, tin pellets can exceed 1200 fps. Lead and alloy pellets peak at 950-989 fps. The tin pellets crack and lead pellets thump. What is the dB for a blank?
@mikedebear14 күн бұрын
Excellent breakdown of the cans, thank you for the insight. On a side note, your three offhand hits at 500... uh please excuse me but I need to go out and hit the range more often and stop making excuses haha.
@Mrgunsngear14 күн бұрын
🇺🇸
@snakeman4814 күн бұрын
Ray, I just came back from the Ohio Suppressor Shoot. Got to shoot some great cans. But, for me to consider a new purchase today for 5.56 or a 7.62 can, they need to be on the Hub design. I have over $1000.00 invested in SICO ASR mounts. I can unscrew the mount section of any of the SICO cans I have and screw on to any manufacture that utilize the Hub threading design. Like Dead Air. Surefire was there, but I bypassed them for that reason. Manufactures in attendance were; Surefire, SICO, Dead Air, Sig, Q, OCL, and Rugged. Wish there some of the cans in this video in attendance to try, like the B&T.
@12monkey5714 күн бұрын
Look at the Hux Ventus
@XRING14 күн бұрын
That awesome Snakeman! The Hub definitely makes life easier but at the cost of a little more weight. Definitely something worth considering when purchasing a new suppressor.
@Josh-ly9mi12 күн бұрын
How did you get an Inconel Scrambler? They only have titanium on their website. Asking because i am interested in buying one. I was looking at the CGS SCI-Six as well, but cant find much info on it. Have you tried this yet??
@Peaktac14 күн бұрын
Love to see what you think of the CAT WB
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Working on it as we speak. Need to get one in for review.
@brandonstorey9914 күн бұрын
@@XRINGI’ll send you a CAT WB if you want to try one that I have as a demo. I’m an 07/02 in Clarksville, TN. (Longbow Arms). Hit me up if you want.
@zachashcraft112611 күн бұрын
Did you get to test the 7.62 SRBS at all?
@Tyler_K13Күн бұрын
regarding the ear difference for sound levels, I can say (from being dumb and forgetting ear pro) that a 16 inch 5.56, with a 2 inch blast forwarding device in open air, causes ringing and temporary hearing loss in the left ear, while no audible impact on the right ear athough it likely caused damage.
@plb24552 күн бұрын
Which would you say sounded better/more comfortable to your ear? The Huxwrx or the B&T SRBS?
@XRING2 күн бұрын
For the platforms tested in this video my ears liked the Huxwrx. 👍🏼
@sanmiguel219714 күн бұрын
🎉❤ Thanks for sharing
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Thank you for watching Sanmiguel.
@Eddycarm14 күн бұрын
very impressed with the huxwrx and cobalt
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Same here! Going to try to get one of the CAT's in as well.
@WalterRitchey12 күн бұрын
I keep trying to find a comparable flow through alternative to the Huxwrx flow, but it’s like they’re in a class of their own. Won’t tear up your gun and suppression is actually comparable to cans that will tear up your gun more. I guess they really are worth the hype!
@Nate-zm6bd5 күн бұрын
Cat WB or ODB. but 718 and not titanium. titanium gets wayyyyy toooo hot way too quick. ODBs in stock at silencershop right now.
@WalterRitchey5 күн бұрын
@@Nate-zm6bd is the ODB the same / no blowback? In what ways is it better? Weight, size, sound?
@Nate-zm6bd5 күн бұрын
@@WalterRitchey Honestly Id suggest looking up "Cat ODB pew science". They got a long review that goes over a whole lot of aspects. It is a Flow thru no blowback design. They also towards the end of the review talk about how it compares to some of the other leading suppressors on the market. In which ways it beats them and in which ways it may fall short. They also have reviews of the Hux flow 556k and 762ti. So you can read those comparisons. Pew science takes it to a very scientific level that most people dont. Cat is also very responsive on the gram so if you have any questions they usually respond w/in minutes. Cat Wb is shorter than Hux 556k. And ODB is slightly longer than Hux 556k. ODB is actually made for 7.62x39. Which means it can shoot 308/762. But is also currently Pew Sciences highest rated flow thru suppressor on the MK18 556 platform outside of the PTR vent (id prefer the ODB over the Vent due to the vents overly complex internal structures). So that would give you the additional flexibility to put it on 7.62 and 556 opposed to 556k only works on 556. Wb is also a 556 only suppressor.
@carlkrewler408414 күн бұрын
Which one would you chose for the least amount of back pressure. Like you stated none are truly hearing safe, so which one would be the best for the least crap in the face in your opinion?
@johnadams67314 күн бұрын
Back pressure really isn't the metric to buy off of. That's marketing
@Sw1ftenergy13 күн бұрын
Huxwrx is really the best from backpressure standpoint.
@johnadams67313 күн бұрын
@Sw1ftenergy but back pressure really isn't a huge issue in most modern cans that balance
@NCWoodlandRoamer9 сағат бұрын
I just found your channel and subscribed. What part of NC are you in? I found the channel because of a video you did on a Tract scope. I’m considering the Toris 2.5-15x44 for hunting. Do you know anything about the durability of their scopes for hunting?
@XRING6 сағат бұрын
Thanks WR! I’m in Western NC west of Asheville .
@XRING6 сағат бұрын
They have a great warranty and their scopes are very robust.
@NCWoodlandRoamer6 сағат бұрын
@@XRING It’s beautiful out there! I’m close to Hickory.
@williamboggs168214 күн бұрын
Man I love this I love when you do can stuff
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Thanks Will. I like to review them as well but it does make for longer and more involved video reviews.
@TheFlea198712 күн бұрын
That B&T would look nice on my 6ARC. Maybe I’ll break down and buy one.
@JenkinsStevenDКүн бұрын
Probably have to go with the 7.62 version then. I don't see anywhere on their page where it says the 5.56 version can handle 6mm arc. I bought an OCL polonium intentionally for that flexibility so I look for it without having to go up to a 30 cal with overbore.
@FDCNC12 күн бұрын
Guys read PEW Science for actually MIL-STD testing and analysis of these suppressors. They have tested every suppressor in the video except the B&T and they have not posted the data for the Scrambler yet. Whatever the meter is saying just ignore it because it filters the the data and it doesn't sample the sound pressure fast enough so some suppressors might be louder or quieter than what's show above.
@BOHEMIANHUNTINGCLUB14 күн бұрын
👍👍
@jonhewitt313 күн бұрын
I also wear my hearing protection on my motorcycle, the wind noise on the helmet can be very loud to the point, I would return home, turn on the TV and was unable to hear it!
@XRING13 күн бұрын
Oh man!! I know all about that. Wind noise in a helmet for a long ride can definitely damage the hearing.
@jonhewitt313 күн бұрын
@@XRING new bike day tomorrow, PX my Yamaha FZ6-S2 for a new Yamaha XSR900 😊
@XRING13 күн бұрын
@@jonhewitt3 Awesome! I just picked up a pre-owned 1200GSA. Time to get to riding .
@jameskiser779113 күн бұрын
I’d really like to know how long each silencer will last. I know people hate on SureFire but those cans will last basically forever.
@jeffhuntley292114 күн бұрын
Great video. Thanks!
@XRING14 күн бұрын
My pleasure and thanks Jeff!
@garyomalley452114 күн бұрын
Great video. I hope you address the difference the difference with bolt action and AR. A lot of loudness is increased due to the receiver opening on an AR.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Thanks Gary! I will on some follow up videos. Trying to get some more suppressors in for the next review of them.
@Brian-ry2ij14 күн бұрын
Thank you sir for telling people that none of these cans are “hearing safe”. < 140 dB is not hearing safe. It is a total lie to advertise as such. Hearing safe long ago was < 120 dB, not even < 130 dB. Repeated exposure above 120 dB means you should wear ear protection. Period.
@Nate-zm6bd5 күн бұрын
Hearing safe is an interesting conversation once you get into the weeds on it. Your ears can safely hear different levels of sound depending on what frequency it is. Lower frequencies can get louder w/o damaging and higher frequencies especially really high it doesnt really take much to do damage. Every time your ears ring, the frequency you hear is the frequency you damaged. And youll never hear that frequency the same again. You are literally changing your ears EQ and youll never hears things the same after the ring goes away. Its typically so incremental you wont notice. Until it adds up and a particular frequency range is gone. Such as highs in the 2k-6.3k range. Ironically thats the frequencies that most suppressors dont suppress. Suddenly you have a hard time understanding people speaking because thats the range where all the intelligibility in words lie. Turn on a speaking video, dump all those frequencies in the EQ and see how hard it is to understand people speaking. And not every persons resiliency to loud noise is the same. So to use a blanket DB number as the line where hearing damage starts isnt correct. Its really person to person. It involves individual resiliency, existing hearing damage and at what frequencies, current diet, blood pressure and health, and what frequencies your suppressor is actually not suppressing (frequencies you hear when you shoot). Still looking for the brown note suppressor. Gonna take some real science to get there on that one. 🤣😉
@varietasVeritas2 күн бұрын
The bolt closing can cause hearing damage? Tell that to a construction worker. You may have say it louder.
@triphammer120314 күн бұрын
Missing a specter CAT 😢
@stingers9614 күн бұрын
because it would not be fair.
@markgumbayan63414 күн бұрын
@@stingers96 💀
@triphammer120314 күн бұрын
@@stingers96you ain’t wrong
@XRING14 күн бұрын
I need to get my hands on one of those as well. I have heard good things about them.
@stingers9614 күн бұрын
@@XRING CAT is the truth
@peterschmidt28493 күн бұрын
🤙🏻🇺🇸😎
@360Swurve9 күн бұрын
Why take ear pro off for short barrel test ? Thanks for video but dang, it hurt me watching you do that to yourself
@theoutlawjoseywales871112 күн бұрын
Hi, Ray!...say, I noticed you attached one of the suppressors while filming (at the 18.04 mark), which you never do!...you may want to edit that second or two out to prevent the KZfaq Hitler youth from demonitizing this fine video.... just thought you would want to be aware. Wonderful video overview...as always.
@XRING12 күн бұрын
Dang! I’ll check it out. Thanks
@sjohnson177614 күн бұрын
No experience ever with suppressors for me. There was a guy shooting a bolt gun at the range that had a can on it and that sucker was LOUD!
@JohnZ55614 күн бұрын
Because they still are loud, but alot nicer than unsuppressed. Just think of it as when someone is shooting suppressed near you, they are adding a layer to everyone's ear pro. As he said, -20 to -30 dB at volume of gun shot is a huge decrease of energy.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Definitely louder than most peoples initial expectations. The only thing that really shines is a .22 suppressed and subs out of a 9mm or .300 blk.
@glockparaastra14 күн бұрын
So sad you guys have those crazy silencer laws. They save hearing, reduce recoil, and don't scare game as much when hunting.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
Tell me about it!
@jacobdeem818714 күн бұрын
Ray! Where ya been? Lol
@XRING14 күн бұрын
I've have been all over the place! Glad to be back at it.
@z3ntropy2 күн бұрын
Your choice your life bro, but i dont think youtube videos are worth destroying your ears But i will appreciate the sacrifice anyway
@billydanzz14 күн бұрын
Well sh!^t....if the sound of a bolt closing is damn near 130db and prolonged exposure can cause hearing damage, I need to run one of those meters when my wife is jaw-yappin' about whatever... Then maybe I can get OSHA to remove the sound nuisance from the premises.
@clausziegler572013 күн бұрын
Great test, but I do not understand why you are shooting withut ear protection knowing that it will hurt you. For a test you do not have to.
@XRING12 күн бұрын
Well, it is a good point. However, I couldn’t think of a better way to give actual data on what I hear with regards to tone and intensity between the different manufacturers.
@magdumpmonday14 күн бұрын
anyone want to buy my RC3? LOL I want the scrambler.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
LOL. The Scrambler was definitely impressive as I had no real experience with them prior to shooting this video.
@magdumpmonday14 күн бұрын
@@XRING I know man! I had no XP either. Oh well. Maybe I might get the scrambler.
@AC-bl1rl14 күн бұрын
And db's are not even, they are logarithmic. 0-10 is ten times, but 0-20 is 100 times.
@XRING14 күн бұрын
That was clearly stated and explained in the video.
@coltcomphbar13 күн бұрын
My only gripe is that the HUX suppressors are FUGLY and the CAT suppressors look “cheap”
@Omar20v14 күн бұрын
Watching this as rc2 owners in the comments think that their can is better because they spent $1000+ on their overrated piece of trash
@TNCombatMedic14 күн бұрын
Every can in the video is over $1,100 except the B&T at $950. I’ve never had an issue out of my RC2, huxwork I just wouldn’t recommend. I ❤️ CGS
@johnadams67314 күн бұрын
Lmao imagine hating the most proven can In combat history just because you like something else agahahah 🤡 consumer logic
@Omar20v14 күн бұрын
@@johnadams673 yeah, rc2 consumers will keep the industry back because they 90% dont know any better. A lot of cans usually less expensive than the rc2 and lighter, perform the same, or better. You dont know this but: socom requirements are not civilian requirements. You rc2 folks are the meme of the silencer world
@Omar20v14 күн бұрын
@@johnadams673 the most proven can in military use, knights makes it. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@TNCombatMedic14 күн бұрын
@@Omar20v most army combat units have RC2’s, even the guard one I was in had a few dozen. B&T is the world’s largest manufacturer of silencers. Whatever surefire did to you, it’s OK. They screwed me over on O rings a few times as well.
@Starwarsgames6614 күн бұрын
The RC2 is 50% cheaper and is hands down better. Flow-though defeats the point of what a silencer is. What good is a silencer if it's not that quiet?
@Omar20v14 күн бұрын
Lol.. is better than what?
@johnsullivan67614 күн бұрын
Signature reduction is more than just lowest peak sound. Double so when shooting 5.56, it can only be so quiet and still be an effective round (needs speed). Reducing flash and outgas, reduce first round pop, having a tone that "dis-locates" the origin of the shooter all arguably matter more for 5.56 rifle.
@Omar20v14 күн бұрын
@@johnsullivan676 he a rc2 owner. He didnt understood any of that.
@davelpz334014 күн бұрын
I like Surefire but the Hux did really good. I’m surprised. Now I want one.
@iamnotacriminal14 күн бұрын
sc-six nd cat wb might be better then a Rc2
@ericbergfield645114 күн бұрын
I just picked up my first 5.56 HUXWORKS can two weeks ago