“We are beginning to exit the corporate period.” We can only pray!
@Vesuya4 жыл бұрын
But... What's next?
@AM-os4ty4 жыл бұрын
@@Vesuya - It might be better. :)
@frostreaper16074 жыл бұрын
It's already visible in the comic and the gaming industry, lots of money is going into indy projects. They don't always succeed, but I rather give a good idea a try instead of handing it over to multi billionaire corporations that shit on their fans 24/7.
@sebas82254 жыл бұрын
@@Vesuya Kickstarters art period, probably a new renaissance of art period were the populace can now sponsor artists via the internet thus allowing better art to be produced.
@geert5744 жыл бұрын
Too many voices in the room can't create art, it's always personal
@moodist1er4 жыл бұрын
That must be why the CIA funded so many artists
@ianmiller10004 жыл бұрын
David, you've been killing it lately! As someone who plays music and makes art for a living, I've been really interested in the idea of people basing their identities on the products they consume, rather than what they do or who they are. It's never been easier to access all types of media, so it's really easy to get into obscure things and become known as tech death dude rather than Bob who is a husband and chef. I also think this genrefication leads to a lot of alienation. I grew up listening to punk and metal, and I hung out with other kids who liked punk and metal. The thing is I was into hardcore punk, and I didn't get along with the pop punk kids even though they also listened to punk. There are further divisions, where the vegan punks didn't like me because I ate meat. So you'd go to a small show in a small punk scene because you wanted to be a part of a community, but then there's all this tension because your highly specific subgenre doesn't line up with someone else's highly specific subgenre. What also interests me is how streaming and on-demand services don't create a shared experience. Remember how up until the 90s or early 2000s everyone tended to watch the same things, and you could go to work or school the next day and talk to your friends about what you saw (Seinfeld and South Park spring to mind for me)? Or sometimes we'd all listen to the radio at the same time to hear the world premier of a band's new song. Now we all have highly customized Spotify playlists and we watch whatever we want on demand - My best friend and I are rock fans, but rather than listening to the same rock station and discovering the same new bands, we discover music that's completely different from one another. Likewise, if the new season of Stranger Things came out today and you only watched one episode while your friend watched the entire season at once, you'll have nothing to talk about. Hell, maybe you didn't even watch Stranger Things because you found 50 other movies to watch. And since we're a culture that places so much value on the entertainment you consume, you may as well be alone in the wilderness if you can't connect to people through a shared media experience.
@HolyknightVader9994 жыл бұрын
One thing I have to say about modern art is this: "You're so ugly you can be a modern art masterpiece!" -Sgt. Hartman
@dylanmoon7804 жыл бұрын
"Harmony was not preformed in the early church because harmony is inherently emotionally manipulative." *sips Legend Coke can* "So that's something to think about."
@moodist1er4 жыл бұрын
The old churches were designed to create acoustic resonance specifically to manipulate people's emotions..
@rhandyrhoads124 жыл бұрын
Wonderful lecture. Thank you so much for taking the time to provide this type of content in this extended format.
@keriford544 жыл бұрын
Great video, I liked your comments on the MCU, well made movies but have nothing of the cultural impact of the original Star Wars and are imaginatively inferior. I realise I'm pulling one pithy point out of a very rich lecture.
@HolyknightVader9994 жыл бұрын
Heck, even Batman and Robin had more to say than the MCU.
@HappyMOGS4 жыл бұрын
"It's the average citizen who benefits the most from corporate art" - exactly, hence the unifying culture of the late 1940s through we'll say, the early '90s, was middle-brow and there's nothing wrong with that, because by its nature, it appealed across many if not most social and cultural and economic boundaries.
@anonymousanonymous94073 жыл бұрын
>buy vinyls in bulk for few dollars/cents Same goes now for CD's. I've started collecting cd's in 2019 and it's really blessing. I listen mostly to IDM, prog rock and ambient and can find so much of good music for 50 cent-2 bucks
@Jared_Wignall4 жыл бұрын
Love this lecture. Thank you for taking some of the lectures from the Writestreams and putting them out as their own videos David.
@tuppybrill49154 жыл бұрын
Note that the Eastern Church was critical of the Western Church because the West went in for realistic statuary whereas the East considered that ‘idolatrous ‘ compared to its own iconography which was intentionally representational
@AM-os4ty4 жыл бұрын
As a Westerner, I find iconography distracting as an art style. I get aesthetic and the point of the Eastern fear/point about idolatry. But still, I find myself thinking Eastern art is ugly and off rather than images of holiness. And if Patchama stuff is any indication, idols can be made from anything, including the ugliest of art.
@Giga4194 жыл бұрын
Adore that very last point re: Disney and it's expansion representing the late stages of a star. Desperate for energy ('capital'), the Mouse Corporation is expanding feverishly to absorb more IPs and assets as the viability of the market collapses. In a capitalist society, a corporation needs endless growth and profit to survive. Higher rates of growth beget higher profit needs. The rapid expansion of Disney will therefore hasten the collapse of the corporate cinema era rather than preserve it.
@GeordiLaForgery4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating.
@jrcrash46443 жыл бұрын
I remember an interview with Guns N Roses producer Alan Niven where he said that in 1994 there was a change in the tax laws where record labels were no longer allowed to write off unsuccessful bands. This change disincentiveized signing high risk experimental bands with unique sounds. After that the music industry focused on getting safe returns on investment by signing mainstream pop bands with established sound. I haven't been able to verify if any of what Niven said is true or not, but it sure would explain a lot.
@MrDexter3374 жыл бұрын
1:47 Eruption *exactly 25 minutes later* 26:47 Collapse 43:53 small eruptions again
@HieronymousLex2 жыл бұрын
This was a very interesting listen, I thoroughly enjoyed it
@curtis259204 жыл бұрын
Wow just found this KZfaq channel. Amazingly insightful video!
@EBMZEQUENZER4 жыл бұрын
Same thing happened to Industrial and New Wave music +EBM - so many sub genres now !
@lsb26234 жыл бұрын
I just resubbed! I forgot you since I made a new account and had to resub to everything. Loved you a year or two ago. Good stuff... glad you're still making vids, and I hope to see a bunch.
@IconoClastPhilosophy4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video David! I would love to hear you expand more on the explanations for WWI and WWII you gave in this video. From the two sentences of explanation you gave here... I'm not sure I follow or agree. I'm sure you have a well thought out position on it, so i would love to hear it :)
@filipjanik874 жыл бұрын
One thing I tell people who complain about "corporate art" (movies or music) is... just go to a festival. There are more movies being made every year. There are probably more movies made every day of the year than there were in total in the 1990s. Sure, you may need to read some subtitles. but some of the most emotional or deep movies I have ever seen were probably never released in US cinemas. Go to a film festival, search online, get digital versions. There is SO MUCH available, that I simply don't care if they make Toy Story 55. Toy story 1 is still on my shelf and I can watch it whenever I want... and if Toy Storyt 33 is awesome, if they stopped at 2, we may never have had it. It's like with Stephen King adaptations. Ok, some are awesome, some suck, but I am still happy they are being made. Every 5th movie could be great and as Stephen King always says, the book is still on the bookshelf, who cares?
@artemisarrow1794 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for Hollywood and AAA gaming to collapse. Decentralize decentralize and decentralize some more!
@AM-os4ty4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@printzofbrentz______31804 жыл бұрын
Great stream!
@christiancountryboyilovejesus4 жыл бұрын
I like harmony Gospel music. Emotionally manipulative can be good. I like to feel things. Praise and worship God! :-)
@moodist1er4 жыл бұрын
The abrahamic religions are poorly plagiarized from a dozen older religions, historic events and people. All religions are inventions of fascism for social and economic control of the people. God is only the idea of a racist magic slumlord who steals land through deceit and genocide. Jesus is Latin for EarthPig. The word church comes from the word circe. Circe was a witch that turned Odysseus's men into pigs (way before the invention of Abraham or Akhenaten and Sargon being turned into Moses). A manger is a trough that pig eat fishtailed fish-tales from, because everyone is born in barns like Jesus and pigs. Jesus turned the Gerasene Legion into swine. A legion, a garrison / Gerasene = military ranks, indoctrinated with religion. Heaven comes from the idea of paradise. Paradise = a walled in place to domesticate cattle..
@xzodiayinzero59293 жыл бұрын
@@moodist1er lol
@raam7263 жыл бұрын
@@moodist1er damn, interesting read. Don't care if it's true or false.
@princessleiabarbie35664 жыл бұрын
When The Beatles disbanded in 1970, all of the members were in debt. John and Paul for 100,000+ pounds each. People around them made money. They got screwed. Didn't make any real money until they went solo. All of The Beatles mid/late 60's albums, including Pepper, were produced on outdated recording technology. 4 track recorders at best. They would record a few tracks then combine them into a single track to free up more space on the deck. No one ever did more with less than The Beatles did. The only real perk they ever had was studio time.
@Oliver8bit4 жыл бұрын
this is a good point. he says the Beatles used the latest tech but the funny thing is they were limited to what EMI would let them. Beach Boys had access to all kinds of new multitrack gear while the Beatles had to keep using 4 tracks. they are a case where technical limitations force the creatives to go above and beyond.
@gdog84744 жыл бұрын
I really loved this and your grasp on all the different artistic professions is very impressive What you say is important and it's why I always pay attention to your videos Excellent
@obscur_artiste4 жыл бұрын
If you've done a similar overview of the periods in literature, please let me know which writestream it was so I can go back and check it out.
@1COMODIN94 жыл бұрын
Up next: Eyebrow raising 🤨 (from the Writestream)
@mariogreen22134 жыл бұрын
Thank god the corporate controlled era of art is almost over, as a writer I get to own 100% of my work because of the world wide availability and low cost of technology. As a fan,Yes corporations produced some well structured and gave us awesome music but as a creator it was not good because it was all corporate owned.
@christiancountryboyilovejesus4 жыл бұрын
Is that a anime picture of baby Jesus and Mary? That poster behind you in this video. God bless :-)
@ra803g64 жыл бұрын
Now do Austrian economics
@kurington.blogspot78764 жыл бұрын
More like Outrage, Tax Evasion and Corporate Period.
@tomgnau4 жыл бұрын
If the corporate period in art is coming to end, I'm not certain corporations are aware. Disney’s $4.05-billion purchase of Star Wars paid off in a few years, with $4.85 billion in global box office revenue from four films (two of which I enjoyed, two of which I would consider failures). If that kind of that trend continues, then so will corporate "art."
@DVSPress4 жыл бұрын
Gross is not net. Each film cost 4-500 mil to produce and market. Tail value has been lower than expected. Theme park value enhancement is not easily measured The investment has not fully returned yet.
@tomgnau4 жыл бұрын
@@DVSPress I agree. But those returns still represent tremendous value for a publicly traded company responsible for quarterly reports and keeping lots of investors happy for the short term. Any movie company would kill for those returns. Understand: I'm not defending what Disney has done with SW; I'm only pointing out that returns like that will delay the onset of what I think you're predicting in your video.
@DVSPress4 жыл бұрын
@@tomgnau I'm not predicting, I'm describing what has already happened. Every industry has moved on from the corporate system except for PART of cinema and PART of video games, with those parts sticking around because it's extremely difficult to make a big-budget product without funding them through the corporate system. What's left RIGHT NOW is but a remnant of a system that peaked in the 80s and 90s, then began to erode with the internet. This is part of why Fox was sold to Disney - the system can't support what it once could.
@sebas82254 жыл бұрын
@@tomgnau also dont forget that old character merchandise has royalties that Disney needs to share with George Lucas, tjhey cant fully capitalize on Star Wars. The "returns" are ending, look at their park strategy with Galaxy´s edge, it´s a glorified star wars store for overpriced kyber crystals, they want to sell merch, with SW, however they fucked up with the sequel trilogy and the market value of their products is at a all time low, also they still have to pay for other costs, thats delaying any quick return of their cash, their current policy wont even allow for them to go waste more money on buying more IPs also they are still banking on Mandalorian and Obi wan to return their investment of Star Wars investment in Disney Plus.
@sebas82254 жыл бұрын
@@DVSPress Video games will move on, once loot boxes are made illegal by law on bought with cash games
@chrisflodberg4 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you say, but you have to be careful when you belittle 'weird' ' 'academic' 'experimental' art. Essentially, you make the argument that experimentation is bad. Many of the forms we appreciate now, found their feet in artists making what was at the time deeply offensive and insulting to the tastes of the day. Even if less than 1% of all frufru art produces ideas and directions that are later seen to be exciting and interesting, then it was worth it. I'd rather live in that world, than in a boring world where everyone is making tired and worn-out versions of 19th century skill. All equally skilled, all equally pompous, and all equally static. Just my thoughts.
@DVSPress4 жыл бұрын
I never made the argument experimentation is bad. Keep in mind I was an academic. I come from a place of knowledge and experience, not ignorance. The progress in music from the 9th century up to about 1900 was through experimentation. Experimentation assumes you care about the effect of the experiment - academic music didn't, and never has. It's insulated from any meaningful feedback. If it was an experiment, it would have been a one-off as it is objectively ugly. And virtually everything of any value in the 20th century was built on the aesthetic foundations of everything that evolved through the 19th. The Beetles used "common practice" theory, which is the mathematically sound harmony systems used prior to the modern and post-modern periods. Same for the visual arts - Frazetta is a classical painter, not a modern one. Comics were built on the foundations of classical illustration techniques used since the medieval period. Film was an extension of the dramatic tradition dating back to the Greeks. So one of the things you must take away from this lecture is that there are two streams - the real art that people continued to enjoy (which evolved into the corporate period) and the "academic" art (which had the modern/post-modern anti-aesthetic nonsense).