Why is she going vegan? I usually post something like this on the vegan's posts...😁 May be there are a few points to touch her views. Vegan for the animal? How does that work, when bees, caterpillars and bugs can't find their food any longer because of endless fields of monoculture veg? And the birds can't find the bugs to feed their chicks any longer? And the bugs on plants and in the soil that get killed by pesticides, because they'll eat your veg? And the animals that get killed when the harvesting machines & ploughs go through the fields? And when forests get chopped down taking away habitat for many animals to make space for monoculture and your plant food? And when the soil is exploited and only survive by chemical fertiliser for your veg? And when the rivers in some countries run low, overheat and cant sustain fish as before, because the water is used to grow your plant food? And when the poly tunnels under which your early veg are growing decay and poison water & soil? And when voiceless people in poverty have to harvest your food in appalling conditions with no chance to ever prosper, so you can get your cheap veg? Not to mention the planes flying in your tasteless strawberries with little micro nutrition in winter, so you can eat the rainbow...Every coin has two sides. Veganism is also not perfect. Don't pretend you are any better than someone who eats meat, beef..., raised on meadows and fertilising the ground, giving back what they took, sustaining diversity with their dung and a short way to your plate. Living means killing, whatever way.

@@hamsterbox4732 Oh believe me I know all the arguments I just don't get the chance to make them. She's nearly fifty now, and lives in Melbourne. I live in Brisbane. It's a bit far for a debate. Besides, we don't have the serious problems here with animals and fields that much of the rest of the world have yet. Oh yes, there is monoculture of course, but not to the outrageous extent that the Americas do. And most of our animals still graze. The trouble is, if I were to bring these arguments up on the phone, the conversation, wouldn't last another two minutes. I'm sure you see that. What bothers me, is I know her health is failing and mine isn't. I'm only getting stronger on meat and fish.

Yes, and sometimes we just have to step back for the sake of the relationship. Once you feel you have done your best you could do, be content. Sometimes we can not do more and, as painful as it might be, stay beside them.... and hope something will shift.... it is like a cult. All the best.... lots of love from England.

@@hamsterbox4732 Thanks, I came from Bethnal Green a long time ago. Thanks for your reply.