Seton is truly one of the best rts map

Oh that's really fun :) SC is a series I missed playing growing up.

I spend so much time on this map (in both DoW and SupComFA) ! The narrow mid give me a "Thermopyles" vibe...

Ye when I first see it though it was similar to something then I remember it was Supreme commander Christ was that a good game

Now we got the goofy-silly Blue Scribes, I do love them

@@postpwnmalone Nothing wrong if you like it. If we were all the same, it would be boring world. But as you can probably tell iam 40K fan, fantasy isnt my cup of tea and the game itself is kinda not brutal enough. If i say Warhammer, i usualy dont imagine goofy-silly things. Sure, you have Orks or even the blue horrors, some Nurgle units are kinda goofy, but its usualy different kinda goofy or silly. There is something disgusting or unsettling about them. Those in the game are just silly. Hope you get my point. Iam not here to bash the models or your preference. I just explained my own.

If they have units in your base, maybe use yours to defend rather than a few turrets. Otherwise if turrets will simply defeat the army then why ever make one. Just creep turrets until you get a titan or something.

I used to play DoW:Apocalypse against a large group of friends on a routine basis. Hundreds of matches. One thing we all learned as time went on, is that a major weakness of the mods design is that deep striking is hugely overpowered, and basically THE way to win, if you know what you're doing and have the right faction for it. Because units in the game are generally so tanky, there's a point where building toughness simply can't keep up, and almost any number of defenders aren't able to stop the attackers in time before serious damage is done. One of the Imperial Guard baneblades has a main cannon that bypasses the HQ damage resistance type, and is powerful enough that if you deep strike 4 of them will 2 shot kill a max level HQ of virtually any faction. The Chaos Marine terminators are also nightmarishly durable for their cost, and can be given weapons effective against regular structures, making them incredibly good at removing economy and production buildings. It was ultimately one of the things that caused us to stop doing our regular games against each other, since we all got a bit tired of games that devolved into seeing who could bypass the normal fighting and just destroy the opponents base before the other could. We tried to think of house rules against doing it, but it's kind of hard to exclude such a core feature of the game without the rules being too convoluted. (Also that if you can't deepstrike, then Orks just always won instead)

@@UnknownSquid ​ Well it's nice to actually have someone who invested some time into PVP commenting on this. I've been the main balance and design developer for UA for 4 years now. We have done a great deal to counteract the power of deepstrikes and alot of can come down to the choice of map. This map is called Abaddon's Clutch it's an upscaled version of a map called Seton's Clutch. Both designed after the SCFAF map. It's very hard to not deepstrike on a map like this and very often people will attempt this to shutdown nukes or stop titans. It's alot harder to deepstrike earlier than tier 2 or 3 which is more delayed due to increased tech up times. A replay of another 4v4 in UA has been submitted and shows a 4v4 game on oasis of shar which I think represents a more standard game these days. There are still aircraft raids and harassment to kill generators. But we done work around this where generators all stacked will blow up each other but we have also made aircraft more squishy and any well prepared player with for example a missile turret or two or infantry with rockets will be able to handle a reasonable amount of aircraft for this timeframe ingame.

@@gooseman4861 Oh, well that's an unexpected coincidence then, to end up venting about this to you of all people. xD If you took that role about 4 years ago, then that would have been right around the time my group stopped holding our routine DoW nights. Does make me curious what's changed since then. I was active for a little while in the balance discussions on the discord, shortly before that time, but it kind of felt like slapping at the ocean with a fly swatter. Wasn't really accomplishing much, and there was this odd contingent of jaded older regulars who more or less mocked the mere concept of wanting/expecting any degree of balance in the mod. I hope your own official efforts have been going better. I can respect how much of a crazy challenge it is to balance a game as incredibly asymmetric as DoW.

@@UnknownSquid All my replies are getting deleted lol

Maybe I’m his northern clone…

its an EMP Nuke

moddb. they also added their discord link there