DayStar Genesis MP: The Crazy Powerful 90s Mac Clone!

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DayStar Genesis MP: The Crazy Powerful 90s Mac Clone!

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Apple's Mac OS licensing program from the mid-90s threw open the floodgates for other manufacturers to make Macs. Most decided to pursue budget models and undercut Apple's own offerings. But one company decided to reach for new heights in a major way.
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"Scaling the Performance Ladder," PC Magazine, February 22, 1994.
"DayStar ships first multiprocessor Mac," InfoWorld, November 13, 1995.
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"The New Mac OS Unveiled," Macworld, July 1995.
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"Mac OS 8: Back to Square One," Macworld, November 1996.
"The Mac Goes Multiprocessor," Byte, February 1997.
"Fueling Photoshop," MacUser, June 1996.
"Tsunami hits New York City," InfoWorld, June 19, 1995.
"DayStar Pumps Up 9500's," Macworld, November 1995.
"Is a chip shortage stalling 604 PowerPCs?," Computerworld, April 3, 1995.
"MacBulletin," Macworld, December 1995.
"Photoshop at Warp Speed," Macworld, June 1996.
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DayStar Genesis MP+ models: lowendmac.com/...
MacWorks Millennium photo: tenfourfox.blog...
"Enough is enough!," Computerworld, July 14, 1997.
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@LGR Жыл бұрын

Good grief, what a monster for its day. When you removed the heatsink on that processor board 😮

@masterchief342 Жыл бұрын

Literally just left your Metalfish Y2 video. What screensaver was that, btw? It looked cool and meshed so well with the tank/case.

@tarstarkusz Жыл бұрын

Badly overpriced and slow. The Mac clones were not as innovative as people think. ALL of them used Apple motherboards. It lacked the flexibility of a PC clone and kept prices high compared to similarly outfitted PCs.

@agenericaccount3935 Жыл бұрын

@@tarstarkusz neato.

@starkmouth Жыл бұрын

@@masterchief342 Serene scene Marine Aquarium 3

@micaelsilva Жыл бұрын

And no foam peanuts

@pineapplego4588 Жыл бұрын

This is a remarkably accurate summary of the history of the Genesis MP. I wrote most of that multiprocessing software for Photoshop, Premiere and After Effects. I also wrote or helped with multiprocessing software for Strata 3D and Quicktime. I wouldn’t trade what Jobs accomplished to have those clone years back, but they were amazing times, some of the best of my life. Excellent work!

@david.mcmahan Жыл бұрын

I'm trying to remember. Was there a Mac-based RIP that also got the MP support?

@pineapplego4588 Жыл бұрын

I am not sure what RIP is.

@david.mcmahan Жыл бұрын

Sorry, Raster Image Processor. I thought since it sounds like you dealt with imaging apps at the time, you might have been aware. Typically, a RIP would have been on Unix or proprietary workstation (or maybe NT). I remember at least a crappy RIP on a Mac back then. But I can’t remember if there were better ones. Anyway, would have been another great use for the Genesis MP, if there was (and a driver for it).

@JeffGeerling Жыл бұрын

02:08 - A print shop in St. Louis, my hometown! Glad to see this beastly machine finding new life, or at least a documentary of its old life. It was a strange few years during the clone era-I remember how almost all the clones were better values than Apple's own hardware at the time.

@TheDruboni Жыл бұрын

yeah despite all of the clones i remember my family picking up a power mac 7300/200 that was an awesome machine.

@JeffGeerling Жыл бұрын

@@TheDruboni My family had a Performa 6360 during that era, and I was using a hand-me-down 630cd. I saved up a while and jumped up to my first new Mac, a Yosemite G3, and that computer blew me away at the time! If the clones had persisted, it would've been interesting to see what they could've done hardware-wise with OSX finally supporting all the nice things we'd always wanted.

@nickwallette6201 Жыл бұрын

Hehe... you don't say. It's cheaper to build a machine with an existing architectural blueprint and the OS already written for it, eh? ;-)

@forbiddenera Жыл бұрын

Pretty much was the same for most of the Intel era except it want "leegull" hackintosh

@SHADOSTRYKR Жыл бұрын

I thought “oh great another beige tower” but that ended up being a really fascinating video. Imagine if Mac OS were licensed to third parties today. It’s impossible to imagine yet it happened in the 90s

@kasimirdenhertog3516 Жыл бұрын

Same here, the video title doesn't really do it justice, it's about much more than just this computer.

@IgnatSolovey Жыл бұрын

That BeOS teaser is intriguing. A good long video would be much appreciated. I, ahem, tried to try it in 1999 if my memory serves, but I remember it having rather specific h/w requirements when it came to PC. While it sorta ran, it didn't fancy my Intel Atlanta motherboard, a Celeron 333, SB AWE64 sound and Matrox Millennium graphics card, and had rather lackluster software support.

@mattsword41 Жыл бұрын

I remember getting BeOE 5 PE on a cover disc - tried it a bit but hobbled by little software support

@leandrocosta3709 Жыл бұрын

It did have very very very specific hardware requirements for PC. I had 4.5 and 5.0. Loved the OS like no other, but before buying anything for my computer, I did have to take a very careful look at a list of supported hardware. At the time I used BeOS for everything, except gaming. Dual boot configuration was a no brainer, so I shared my hard drives with Windoze.

@KurtMurrayJr Жыл бұрын

Haiku OS is the contemporary descendant of BeOS. Sadly, other than running on new hardware, not much is different than the BeOS I used to run on my PowerMac back in the 90s.

@CodingItWrong 8 ай бұрын

I'd love to see TDNC's take on BeOS too! I just bought a Power Mac 8500 and was able to get BeOS running just fine. It's interesting to think what might have been if it had taken off.

@Angelgreat Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry that you had to disassemble your Power Macintosh 9500 for this video.

@headwerkn Жыл бұрын

Oh Lordy how the x500 cases sucked…

@JohnWDisco Жыл бұрын

Yea but there are people, like myself, who like dismantling items. The only reason is to understand how it functions. 😏

@TrackZero Жыл бұрын

That BeOS tease at the end, so good. I eagerly await the follow up video.

@memsom Жыл бұрын

Came here to request a BeOS video, then at the last moment saw the tease 😂 I own a 9500 MP model, (yes the plastics are basically falling apart,) and I love that the Genesis MP has finally got some recognition.

@andyzib Жыл бұрын

“Faster performance directly correlated to improved productivity” Back in the early to mid 2000s I worked for a printing company that did large format. Our 3D specialists were quirky guys that worked third shift. They would do some work, set it to render, and move to another Mac to do some work and set it to rendering. They cranked out our most profitable work and because they could take over multiple workstations on 3rd shift they cranked out a lot of work. And they enjoyed working 3rd shift as there was nobody there to interrupt them.

@Choralone422 Жыл бұрын

I remember reading about that machine in magazines and marveling at the idea of 4 CPUs working together. It's very cool to see one in this video! The Mac clone days in the mid 90's were the only time I was really interested in diving into the Mac world. I always love to see PCs and Macs alike from the 90's since that's when I got into the world of IT, personally in the early 90s and professionally in 98.

@headwerkn Жыл бұрын

Wow, I’d long forgotten Daystar did a quad 604. I had a PowerMac 9600/200MP which was Apple’s top banana workstation before the G3 era. Was a beast of a production system though as you stated, only really in Photoshop (which I mostly lived in). As cool as the dual 604s were, a G4/350 upgrade card completely transformed the machine. With 1.5Gb of RAM, about 5 internal SCSI drives and twin graphics cards I was using that machine until about 2004.

@PotatoFi Жыл бұрын

What an awesome machine. I'd never heard of the Genesis MP, and was surprised to see that it shares a motherboard with the Power Macintosh 9500, of which I have several in my garage awaiting shipping to new owners. A nightmare to work on, those are... just getting the batteries out was a very risky chore.

@SteveAbrahall Жыл бұрын

Back in the day I was working as an apple tech and I got a call from a young designer whos company had just brought her a top of the line Genesis MP.... she was one very happy camper!

@SwimmingintheDeep Жыл бұрын

I was actually the main account rep for Daystar Digital's PR firm and I wrote the press release and launched this product to the media and analyst community. The company was based in a former boot factory in Flowery Branch, GA, north of Atlanta.

@alerey4363 Жыл бұрын

That Genesis may have had the 9500 logicboard but its chassis is the one from the Quadra 950, *THE* monster from the 680x0 era.

@chrismv102 Жыл бұрын

I had a PM 9600. It along with the 9500 were the only PowerPC macs certified for Avid Media Composer and Film Composer. In fact I was in Boston one day and and I saw several 9600's in a dumpster outside of Harvard Medical School. I grabbed two of them. Still have one. It has Daystar G4 upgrade processor in it.

@PenguinRevolution Жыл бұрын

The mid 90's were a great time in computer development. Those were the days where we saw real innovation and progress. I miss those days.

@Eyetrauma Жыл бұрын

Man it doesn’t look like much from the outside but that case seems solid af, beautifully utilitarian

@jamiemcparland Жыл бұрын

I worked at a Mac reseller in the late 90s / early 2000s. Those 95/9600 were such a nightmare to work on. When I saw one in the pile of things to work on, I knew someone was going to get their computer back with a bunch of my blood in it. Literally. Every time, I'd cut my damn hand in those things, leaving some blood inside of it.

@DaivG Жыл бұрын

The BE OS tease was unexpected and cruel at the end. I’m eager to see it, hopefully soon!

@JDW- Жыл бұрын

Great overview of the Genesis MP, Colin! 👍

@VEN0M415 Жыл бұрын

These info-dives into device history are so enjoyable, thanks for all the effort you put into these calming and chill deep dives!

@chloeleedow7250 Жыл бұрын

Wow some nostalga from my childhood, I was well below working age but was obsessed with apple, we had a mac Performa power pc and my dad would always buy me mac world magazines to read. The 90s were awesome. Great video! ❤️

@TanukiDigital Жыл бұрын

I used a bunch of Mac Clones at work in the late 90's. They gave a bit of a power boost at least in terms of cost per performance. Clones were seen as a kind of death knell for Apple at the time. Oh man If I only knew then what I know now.

@cylack Жыл бұрын

I remember this time of dysfunction at Apple well. I had a PowerMac 8500 in college and thought about getting a clone for my next computer but then Apple killed off the clones when Jobs came on board. They really struggled with the next gen OS. A lot of people thought they would go with BeOS but surprised by buying out Next. No one could have imagined Apple would become the world's largest company by market cap when it was teetering on bankruptcy in the late 90s.

@rimbaud0000 11 ай бұрын

Yep, absolutely all over the place. Classic MacOS was just hopelessly out of date at that point

@SPARTAN_Cayde-26 Жыл бұрын

Literally the Mac Pro tower of 1990s. Its like what Mac Pro 2019 is today or even Mac Pro 2009 which I have.

@ncmartinez_his Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to your BeOS video.🌞

@Fifury161 Жыл бұрын

2:41 - love how "no foam Peanuts!" was a selling point!

@BilisNegra Жыл бұрын

Wow, I think we've all associated Macs heavily with graphic design throughout the years, but a multiprocessor driver written by this manufacturer specifically for Photoshop is an extreme I would have not imagined.

@david.mcmahan Жыл бұрын

In the printing and related industries, at the time, making Photoshop faster alone could have justified the $14,000+ price for many purchasers. There was just so much work that a progress bar meant lost productivity.

@jwardell Жыл бұрын

Thanks to those Tsunami clones I was not only able to afford a beast of a power tower pro just as I went off to college, I was able to cheaply and easily add ram, drive, and processor upgrades over time to keep it running like a top for many more years, as well as run lots of fun OSes like BeOs, Copeland, OSX beta, etc. Apple lost probably two computers from me in that time, but they would have only been mediocre. Thanks, Gil

@DuncanMcBride Жыл бұрын

That teaser at the end, I can't wait for the follow-up video!

@kFY514 Жыл бұрын

Commercial conversion kits transforming one computer into another. What a time to be alive that was.

@FluffyPuppyKasey Жыл бұрын

It's crazy to think I used to live two hours away from that print shop your friend got the machine from! I've got so many memories of St. Louis

@Wim37u Жыл бұрын

Thanks for another delighting blast from the past.

@GoTeamScotch Жыл бұрын

Ending on a cliffhanger! Guess I'll have to continue watching every video you make. 😄

@bryanramey2438 Жыл бұрын

We had a bunch of these at my old High School in our Graphic Design Art Class back in 1998.

@MarkHyde Жыл бұрын

Awesome retro content - sad I missed this till today :)

@carlosbustamante161 Жыл бұрын

Wow, I never think to see it again, I only saw in a presentation of software here in my country. Amazing.

@noemedmedia Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed this video A LOT! True original piece of tech history, supported by pics and articles from the time. I learned a lot!

@wojiaobill Жыл бұрын

This was my favorite episode of TDNC so far

@christophsuess7646 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I was looking daily for the new video. A Sunday without Collin isn´t a sunday ;-)

@Feslmogh Жыл бұрын

13:09 I know exactly where the building is! Whenever I hear the name I often wondered if it was the same named company. It's now an antique store...

@tjs114 Жыл бұрын

I purchased a Motorola StarMax desktop back in 1996 because it was about 30 percent cheaper than it's comparable PowerMac 4400. It was a major upgrade over my college-purchased MacPlus that was then 8 years old.

@hypercube33 Жыл бұрын

Hell yea, bring on the BeOS video on this awesome tech

@naquirodriguezdelatorre2958 Жыл бұрын

I had this system and put PPC Linux on it so all 4 CPU worked at once. It was great at the time

@Deadsniper-gv7wo Жыл бұрын

these things are absolutely beautiful, i had 1 for a while but sadly missing the cpu just the board was there ended up lettin it go to a friend who i knew would actually use it

@john_ace Жыл бұрын

*256Mb 5V-DIMMs?* I never heard that this would work... I know IBM used them in some workstations but i did not know that any Mac-mainboard would support them.

@brendanhoffmann8402 Жыл бұрын

I remember seeing these in magazines and wishing my parents had won the lottery or something! lol, I used to lust so bad for Mac clones but ended up having the same Mac IIsi from 1990-97, then my Mum bought us a PC.

@draggonhedd Жыл бұрын

Dangit where are you finding all of these great machines? What a lovely beast. I would love one as a BeBox someday.

@kasimirdenhertog3516 Жыл бұрын

Those Sony Trinitrons still catch my eye as something sleek and sophisticated, even though it's a Stone Age relic by now

@idahofur Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed this video. I didn't realize a 4 cpu version existed. I just know of the dual cpu versions and programs like adobe using the extra cores. During that time is the over priced macs. I don't know how true this is. But, I heard the Execs. at Apple thought the clones would open up more into the Mac universe. But, the die hard users would still continue to purchase Macs including the new converts. All it did was sent everybody to the more cost effective feature rich clones. I do wonder if Steve Jobs when he came back to apple saw part of that being price. Thus, is why the new I-Mac was priced to to the point that I was hearing from all the mac users that they can finally to replace their outdated Mac.

@johnmax5652 Жыл бұрын

HAPPY NEW 2023 YEARS TO COME. GOOD LUCK, HEALTH PROSPERITY AND HAPPINESS TO ALL.-

@thomaswidter Жыл бұрын

A nice trip down memory lane. Thank you!

@movax20h Жыл бұрын

9:00 A bit weird it was called this motherboard Tsunami. Because in 1998 DEC / Compaq, named one of their workstation / server platforms (i.e. Compaq AlphaStation XP1000) Tsunami too.

@GarthBeagle Жыл бұрын

Absolute beasts these are! I've only been able to play with some of these at VCF, would love to own one some day! I see it's case is very similar in design to the Radius 81/110 I have, which is the Radius clone variant of the Power Macintosh 8100. Like the Daystar vs 9500, the Radius's metal case is WAY better than my crumbling 8100's case.

@jaimeduncan6167 Жыл бұрын

I. never saw one, but I remember drolling over them as a student. It was super exiting back then, and the magazines were FAT and living a heyday. We did have the internet but was slow, and Magazines contained long detailed articles. It's funny that today we have ghz range, GBs of RAM in a tinny box (the Mac Studio) doing teraflops.

@lyonadimral Жыл бұрын

I'd prefer to get my hands on an Apple Network Server.

@hypertalking68k Жыл бұрын

Yep, love my Radius 81/110 and its metal case. No crumbly plastic!

@UnbornApple Жыл бұрын

Photoshop 4 was the first version I used back in high school.

@mikemoyercell Жыл бұрын

wow that machine is made really really nicely. Excellent Quality!!

@nichtgestalt Жыл бұрын

I'm so exited for BeOS.

@robsquared2 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like it's time to add some noctua fans, a flashed custom video card with like 128mb of ram, maybe a sata card, and of course a G3 sonnet card.

@nickwallette6201 Жыл бұрын

You know, Noctua does not run on magic. ;-) The reason it's quieter is because _it moves less air._ They're subject to the same physical constraints as any other fan, and you can make almost any fan as quiet as a Noctua by isolating its mounting points and slowing the RPM down. There may be _a bit_ more motor noise, but the major component is air. Ergo, putting a quiet fan in where a loud fan went often means you're not moving as much air. With four CPUs and a beefy PSU, I'm guessing they didn't spec the airflow that high because they like white noise.

@HrLBolle Жыл бұрын

11:36 makes me wonder if Daystar was sort of an retail outlet of the R&D at apple this is just a curious thought

@hypertalking68k Жыл бұрын

Awesome to see someone finally do a good video about these lesser spotted beasts!

@TheOriginalCollectorA1303 Жыл бұрын

An actual supercomputer for the time, for a very “affordable” price. This is an awesome machine, I’m sure it can be utilized even further with an appropriate operating system. I wouldn’t be surprised if this even manages to run OS X or something even newer when properly upgraded.

@paul_boddie 11 ай бұрын

Having four PowerPC CPUs made it more like a high-end workstation than a supercomputer. Multiprocessor workstations had been around for a while already: DEC made the Firefly a decade earlier, and SGI was routinely introducing graphics workstations with multiple CPUs. Those systems were rather less affordable, though. (SGI's server systems were apparently combined to deliver actual supercomputer performance in the form of ASCI Blue Mountain.) This product might have been a more credible workstation than Apple's previous attempts, but Apple had largely exited that market and had practically ditched A/UX by this time. In fact, Apple did apparently have AIX ported to the Power Macintosh 9500, releasing a product called the Apple Network Server, although it appears to have been a uniprocessor system.

@RubyNemesis Жыл бұрын

I feel like it works as an upgrade for an existing mac ecosystem, but I have my doubts that that would've been a better choice than an equivalent SGI workstation if you really needed the power at the time for that.

@kimkimpa5150 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to the inevitable future BeBox video, gonna be real interesting.

@s6edge7 Жыл бұрын

Collin has improved so much with every aspect in terms of filming , it's just njice to see

@fadedfools Жыл бұрын

I had a power computing power tower pro 225, that was the king of the clones.

@fadedfools Жыл бұрын

mine had the ims twin turbo graphics card with 8mb of vram. i still remember how hideously loud and high pitched that 7200rpm scsi drive was...

@rakseiify Жыл бұрын

There was an anime series called: Serial Experiments Lain that was created around 1998 and in some chapter a computer running a very modified version of the Copland OS was shown managing multiple monitors and what seemed to be a warped version of the Internet they called "The Wired"... You showed Copland and it immediately triggered that memory, until now I didn't have the chance to see this OS running like in real life.

@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын

Lain had lots of cool obscure Macs and Mac clones, and its end title card even referenced BeOS! I also find it interesting how it claimed to be set in the present day, yet computers with jumpers were old antiques that Lain impressed that older guy with, IPv6 was finally getting a rollout, and people’s phones were far more advanced (even when compared to the more advanced Japanese domestic market models of the time).

@rakseiify Жыл бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L Yeah I remember the school girls there using phones way ahead of their time with instant messaging, animated emoji and cool screens.

@davidgreen8512 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see if that machine could be maxed out - get all of the RAM, HDD, etc. Maybe see if you can throw OS X on it? I think some OS X versions supported PowerPC. It'd be interesting to take that machine to its limits.

@calzonemaniacsvideocorner0804 Жыл бұрын

For reference, you could get a brand new car for that price back then.

@be236 Жыл бұрын

Great info. Wonder what it would be like had Apple not killed off the clone market...

@jamiemcparland Жыл бұрын

As always, an amazing video.

@ChairmanMeow1 Жыл бұрын

What an absolute beast.

@ericbauer4559 Жыл бұрын

I day dreamed about this machine back in middle school.

@Alcochaser Жыл бұрын

woooo Jaz drive, those were the bomb back in the day

@rjaques60 Жыл бұрын

Saw one sitting in the corner of a computer shop. Front bezel and side door was missing, as well as the hard drives and ram. Owner didn't know what it was. It just showed up one day. I asked for the carcass. I had ram and hard drives. Had to look for a graphics card. It fired up! 4 200 mhz processors. I installed Mac OS, then Yellow dog Linux. Settled for the BE OS. It was fun for a while. Still can't believe someone stripped a 15,000 dollar computer.

@kuropixeljp Жыл бұрын

This is a fantastic video! Thank you so much for your hard work making this kind of content! Love it so much.

@keirthomas-bryant6116 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to hear the story of BeOS. As a computer journalist in the late 1990s, I reviewed it when it was ported to PC. I can't find my review now but I think my conclusion was, "This is nice. But why?" I would love to hear how it fared on the PowerPC architecture. It's called a failure now but I believe there was some take-up.

@Azteca_X Жыл бұрын

I think Action Retro (another great KZfaq channel) has covered BeOS

@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын

@@Azteca_X kind of - that’s more an experiential document, than a history script

@hypercube33 Жыл бұрын

I used it on PC exclusively until Windows XP came out, and then hacked it's theme system and eventually someone made a Be theme for XP, and used that until I moved to Win7

@nickwallette6201 Жыл бұрын

I used it daily for a couple years, too. "Why?" was pretty simple: At that time, both Windows and MacOS were a total mess. _In theory,_ there was still room for a better solution to come along and unshackle the hardware. BeOS was agile as a mofo, extremely stable, and had all kinds of nice APIs. In contrast, Windows was fragile, slow, and encumbered with tons of legacy in the API, the UI, and the underlying architecture. MacOS was just an utter disaster -- code tacked on to code, until it was just a mountain of tangled cruft that barely worked. All three were engineering marvels in their own right. Windows would run on a toaster, and supported 32-bit, 16-bit, and DOS applications simultaneously. MacOS managed to traverse entire platforms without cleaning the slate. But BeOS had a beautiful micro-kernel that ran like an accountant in the wrong part of town after dark. It showed what the hardware was actually capable of. I dunno if it could have ever lived up to the future it implied, but I still lament that it never had the chance. RIP, Be. 😿

@belstar1128 Жыл бұрын

I read about it in books and magazines. but i have never seen someone use it.

@andrewlewis7142 5 ай бұрын

One error in reporting here to an otherwise excellent report... DayStar never filed for bankruptcy. All bills were paid and the company closed down. I made the mistake of dropping all other product lines to focus on the clone program. Signed, Andrew / CEO DayStar

@DavidMarvin Жыл бұрын

The first time I used a ZIP Drive was on a Mac in a print shop back in high school.

@MikeZ8709 Жыл бұрын

What a cool story - you should do a more in-depth video about the clone era/licensing and why Jobs killed it (maybe even a 2-parter)

@westtell4 Жыл бұрын

watching this on an M2 macbook air right now its cool

@MasonFowlkesKenneth Жыл бұрын

WAIT!!!! A Print Shop in St. Louis? In 2020? MY UNCLE WORKED THERE! This must have been one of those "Old Macs" he told me about! 😂

@nigew25 Жыл бұрын

Hi Colin, watching your vids gets me thinking... While at college in 1991 my course had DTP element. This was was my intro to Macs. The classroom had more than 30 and two printers. One assignment was to design your own magazine. To include photos I had to go upstairs with the picture and a disk and use an Oviletti pc and scanner. Save it, go back down stairs and import it in to publisher or it could have beed Macwrite? It always bugged me why the scanner wasn't connected to the Macs in the first place. Your thoughts would be much appreciated. Nigel

@waytostoned Жыл бұрын

Quad CPU in time of dual CPU mostly top end... love it! Have a love for my dual Pentium Pro 200 1mb, but this is even more insane. :D

@vintageMIDI Жыл бұрын

Excellent history lesson; thank you!

@5argetech56 Жыл бұрын

Eagerly awaiting the BeOS video about this Beast!

@CathodeRayDude Жыл бұрын

Hey man, curious if you have a cite on macworks painting machines. I can't find anything about it, and the specimens I'm aware of have injection molded black plastic fronts.

@ThisDoesNotCompute Жыл бұрын

That's a good question. I wasn't able to find anything concrete from established publications (there seems to have been only one published review of the Millennium, in the June 1998 issue of Macworld), but a while back I ran across some forum chatter suggesting that was the case. It also logically makes sense, given the nature of the machine -- DayStar was about to go out of business, and MacWorks bought the remaining Genesis MPs (and parts) they had in inventory. Given that MacWorks didn't have a valid license from Apple to include the Mac OS, and there's other indications that the company was a bit dodgy (they didn't offer returns on products, and its owner ended up getting convicted of mail fraud, see the article "Apple grapples with huge computer gray market" in the Kansas City Business Journal), it makes sense they'd try to maximize profits as quickly as they could since they probably knew they wouldn't be able to get away with it for long. So, using as much of the inventory they bought would have meant painting the case, instead of spending the money to have new front bezels and metal chassis components made. I could certainly be wrong though!

@Toonrick12 Жыл бұрын

Would it be possible for this machine to run under Mac OS 9 or even early versions of OS X?

@amplifier28 Жыл бұрын

Love your intro. Simple but catchy!

@DFX4509B Жыл бұрын

You should check out the Dash 30fx if you can ever find one.

@sugaryhull9688 Жыл бұрын

2:40 "NO FOAM PEANUTS!" LGR approves

@charlesgrubbs8094 Жыл бұрын

I wish that Amiga would have gone to Power PC especially a beast like this

@AD7Films Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, love this.

@veitjacob9764 Жыл бұрын

That's been an interesting one!

@douglasjohnson4382 Жыл бұрын

The one Mac clone I would have considered buying. But I couldn't afford it. Got the 8600/200 instead.

@filecore Жыл бұрын

What an brilliantly eccentric machine. Thanks again for another superbly put-together video. Look forward to the BeOS vid!

@nambrosch Жыл бұрын

I would love a video on BeOS!!

@Sven.Bornemark Жыл бұрын

What an excellent video! Thank you! :-)

@phipli Жыл бұрын

Hey, weird thing, but did I see this machine has 256MB SIMMs?! I've never seen that before and didn't realise they were supported. With 6 of those you could put the max 1.5GB in an 8600 or whatever machine with 8 slots!

@MacSociety Жыл бұрын

I look forward to the BeOS on DayStar video. ;-)

@StephenSo8988 Жыл бұрын

Wow, great video. I noticed you mentioned that Apple made their own multiprocessor version of the 9500. Was their operating system at the time modified to support it or was it just certain applications like in the Photoshop example?

@neuro Жыл бұрын

System 7.5.3 introduced cooperative multitasking to support MP in 1996 when the 9500/180MP was released. System 8.6 introduced preemptive multitasking in 1999. That backend was replaced by Grand Central Dispatch in OS X 10.8 in 2012.