DCS: F-16 Viper Countermeasures Hacks

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Reflected Simulations

Reflected Simulations

Жыл бұрын

Here's a short video with some useful tips about countermeasures in the DCS F-16 Viper
Recommended Viper tutorials:
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@reginald-du7zo
@reginald-du7zo 9 ай бұрын
Huge tip I use in the viper to not have to edit my countermeasures every time I hop in the F-16. If you go to DCS World main directory (Not saved games) > Mods > F-16C > Cockpit > Scripts > EWS > CMDS > Device, and edit the LUA file as to how you like your countermeasures, it will save those settings every time you hop in to fly. Note: Every update it resets itself so keep a copy of the file to drag and drop in this folder every update.
@Spindinio
@Spindinio 3 ай бұрын
That file is protected from what I can see
@omarselim6281
@omarselim6281 21 күн бұрын
Would this override any mission settings in SP campaigns?
@reginald-du7zo
@reginald-du7zo 20 күн бұрын
@@omarselim6281 Honestly, I have no idea as I haven't messed around with SP CMS settings. I'd like to believe it's just creating a new default CMS setting that can be overwritten, but you'd have to test it.
@indianajon7980
@indianajon7980 Жыл бұрын
Reflected is making an F16 campaign...... well, guess I need to start learning the F16 then!
@omarselim6281
@omarselim6281 9 ай бұрын
LITERALLY MY THOUGHTS hahahaha
@Vortex31415
@Vortex31415 Жыл бұрын
I loved Dan Hampton's book. Really insightful for DCS Viper enthusiasts. We need missions in a DCS campaign based on the scenarios in his book!
@Christian-vk2cb
@Christian-vk2cb Жыл бұрын
It's a great book, though he is bit of a smartass 😛
@anthonyj5298
@anthonyj5298 6 ай бұрын
I have this book on my shelf as well. Great read!
@robinb5752
@robinb5752 Жыл бұрын
„Vipers in the Storm: Diary of a Gulf War Fighter Pilot“ by Keith Rosenkranz, if you want the cockpit perspective of a „regular“ F-16 pilot during the Gulf war. I read this when I was still doing Falcon 4.0 and there are plenty of references in there on the „switchology“, workflows and procedures going on in an F-16 … oh, never mind :-) I should watch the video to the end, before commenting 😂
@marcocom6963
@marcocom6963 10 ай бұрын
aww man me too! i remember this book and Falcon:Allied Force and just really getting into it all. was that really that long ago? still flying BMS and DCS weekly!
@operator1192
@operator1192 5 ай бұрын
That Dan Hampton book was one of my all time favorites as well. I like this technique too that he talked about and that you showed how to set up.
@Crunch104
@Crunch104 Жыл бұрын
Viper Campaign! We need more. Look fwd to purchasing yours when released.
@Carbon_715
@Carbon_715 Жыл бұрын
Great video and Viper Pilot by Two Dogs is a great book and can gain a lot of valuable insight about wild weasel ops.
@prichardgs
@prichardgs 5 ай бұрын
As always Reflected- a great informative video!!!!
@lankypilot778
@lankypilot778 Жыл бұрын
I'll definitely grab that book. Thanks, good luck with the campaign mate, can't wait :)
@rasse30
@rasse30 Жыл бұрын
F16 campaign? 😱😱😱 I can’t wait for that. If you ever need someone to test a mission I would be more than happy to do so lol.
@The_Tau
@The_Tau Жыл бұрын
I always preferer singles flares when in dog fights or ACMs, I can see what bandit is doing so I can preflare when he gets in fire position or dump flares when he fires Fox2, this way it also conserves the flares too. Also great for helping your wingman for SA if he asks for flares to spot who is who. I use flare programs only basically in ground attack for preflaring so I dont have to think about flares and just focus on CCIP piper, and if I see smoke in the air I use singles flares again to dump even more flares. But that might be just DCSism
@anthonyj5298
@anthonyj5298 6 ай бұрын
I do the same
@Christian-vk2cb
@Christian-vk2cb Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to that campaign!
@AviationPlus
@AviationPlus Жыл бұрын
Programs are all based on the threats you are facing so you must know what threats you will come up against. I have set up my DTC in BMS that does well with any threat. 1 - 3 x 1 Chaff only 2 - 3 x 2 Flare only 3 - 3 x 2 Chaff and Flare 4 - Dont use Slap - 6 x flares only 6 - Single Flare
@Wolfhound_81
@Wolfhound_81 Жыл бұрын
One thing that really helps and I miss in this video is DiCE, a program that lets you set the programs ONCE and keeps them, rather than needing to set them every time you get into the pit. I used 2 different flare programs: One that releases a single flare every second for the run-in on known or suspected IR SAM /MANPADS positions, one that releases 5x2 to defeat launches.
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
Good idea!
@runeheadah
@runeheadah Жыл бұрын
There is another program now called DCS-DTC. It basically autotypes your settings into the ded after you press one button. The catch is I'm not sure if it'll work online.
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
@@runeheadah I don't really mind setting them up, it only takes 20 seconds or so
@Wolfhound_81
@Wolfhound_81 Жыл бұрын
@@runeheadah Yeah DCS-DTC works as well, even enables you to get waypoints and MFD settings while in the jet. And yes it works in Multiplayer.
@runeheadah
@runeheadah Жыл бұрын
@@Wolfhound_81 Even servers that have exports disabled?
@matka5130
@matka5130 Жыл бұрын
Interesting topic...i did in similiar way from beggining of this video
@dfed0530
@dfed0530 11 ай бұрын
You can just set the BQ number to 0 to stop it from dropping that type of counter measure. I prefer CMS forward for flares only and CMS left for chaff.
@SONIC301_
@SONIC301_ 9 ай бұрын
I use this too! 🤙🏻
@mitch_the_-itch
@mitch_the_-itch Жыл бұрын
Does the Pilots head move with your head in VR? One of the most needed features is the Mission Editor needs to have a 3d view. Im tired of putting things on the side of a hill and not knowing it until I fly the mission.
@somting125
@somting125 Жыл бұрын
This is quite funny, I had it set literally the opposite way round, with the sidewall being flares and chaff as the thumb button. Might change that now. The most frustrating part is that if you edit the lua to set custom programs permanently, it breaks IC, so it’s gotta be done in cockpit.
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
Takes all of 20 seconds to set up though.
@utley
@utley Жыл бұрын
In the Hornet, the panic button actually does release flares so that could be a reason why you thought that.
@Petidani0330
@Petidani0330 7 ай бұрын
Tbh, I never really understood the usefulness of pre-definable countermeasure programs. Just like you said, when I know my enemy, I don't want to waste the wrong type, I only want to pump out either chaff OR flare, not both. If I (for whatever reason) want to actually use chaff AND flare at the same time, I just tap the corresponding buttons alternately. For me, the same applies for quantity: I like full control of how many countermeasure is being dropped. This is one thing I like about the FC3 aircrafts: because of simplification, they have "drop chaff" and "drop flare" buttons (there's of course also continuous options for those who prefer them). With high fidelity modules, I set up chaff-only and flare-only programs whenever I can. I'm sure there's a good reason countermeasure programs (multiple per aircraft) exist, I just don't see it.
@joelmulder
@joelmulder 4 ай бұрын
Seems to be more of an DCS F16 thing. Chaff and flares are separate buttons by default in the FA18C, and I think they are in the F14 too.
@KegaKega-vc3dp
@KegaKega-vc3dp Жыл бұрын
So, the sequence and timings of chaff and flare is highly classified stuff. As one said, you’ll never find a reference to that, if so it’s a illegal sharing of information. Because of that, one would have to do tests in DCS to see what works the best there. I asked Grim reapers for that one time, but I don’t think he understood the challenge. Different timings, numbers will have different impact on the different systems in RL. In DCS I don’t know.
@krostouin
@krostouin Жыл бұрын
RL Timings also probably change with the threat. SA2 vs SA6 for instance.
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
Yeah makes sense I guess
@pyr0duck676
@pyr0duck676 Жыл бұрын
What is a typical flare/chaff loading you've found from your research? I typically do a 90/30 chaff to flare if I'm not expecting to run into many IR guided systems. Also, what is the NATOPS equivalent for the Viper? I'm so excited for this campaign though! I flew your Speed and Angels campaign and absolutely loved it. So, I'm sure I will enjoy this one even more!
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
That’s a question I’d also like to know the answer to
@krostouin
@krostouin Жыл бұрын
It depends of the mission, but 90/30 most of the time for me too. Many air and ground threats engage with radar. Flare is for low A2G pass and/or A2A merge. Even when expecting R27ET there are many fox1 and fox3 on the way before.
@user-zj2st3sm6g
@user-zj2st3sm6g 10 ай бұрын
Five quick flares looks cool
@MikeSwanberg
@MikeSwanberg Жыл бұрын
What I've noticed Growling Sidewinder doing is he will just turn off the countermeasure that he doesn't want to use at that time. If he's BVR and/or facing SAMs, he would just turn flares off. When he gets into a merge, he turns the flares back on and maybe turns the chaff off. This is quite a bit easier than doing custom programs, but it could also be slower than using different actions for different measures. My home "cockpit" (in quotes because it's basically a HOTAS and some MFDs on a table) doesn't have a slap switch, so either I have to map one or I could just use the switches. Just REMEMBER to turn them on when you need them!
@cheefbird
@cheefbird Жыл бұрын
ya, same. Alternatively, I know Ralfidude puts it in bypass, which makes cms left/right do a single chaff or flare depending on the direction. I started doing that once I saw it, very much prefer it. but that's me.
@joelmulder
@joelmulder 4 ай бұрын
Considering you can edit the default CMS profiles with a LUA script in the DCS directory, having the custom programs really isn’t that much of a hassle. Certainly a lot easier than remembering to flick some small switches when you get into trouble.
@MikeSwanberg
@MikeSwanberg 4 ай бұрын
@@joelmulder might be pertinent to note that not everyone know LUA or how to script such things. In any case, I've also seen an add-on program for a data cartridge. Hopefully ED gives us a data cartridge soon. The add-on seems to just run what is essentially macros to program the CMDS. Might be worth it to do the same... I have a "Fly" button on my Stream Deck that I programmed to run through and do all the usual things that I tend to forget during an in-flight start. Stuff like turning on ECM, turning up the JHMCS, etc.
@pyr0duck676
@pyr0duck676 Жыл бұрын
Have you talked with C.W. Lemoine? He is a KZfaqr who flew the F-16 and has made a few DCS F-16 Viper videos.
@audunskilbrei8279
@audunskilbrei8279 11 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who feels that chaff does nothing? I mostly have to defeat radar missiles by running them out of energy. They rarely break lock and I'm not sure I've ever seen one go after chaff. I usually go full flare no chaff when I fly.
@WWXspartan058
@WWXspartan058 Жыл бұрын
My warbird brain watching this and trying to contemplate it lol
@TheNorwayDude995
@TheNorwayDude995 Жыл бұрын
Hey this is completely off topic but have you considered doing a campaign in the community A4? Its a solid mod that seems perfect for your style of campaigns.
@MasterTimbo
@MasterTimbo Жыл бұрын
I think he already stated, that he won’t do campaigns for community mods.
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
@@MasterTimbo not just won’t but can’t either.
@Sinni64
@Sinni64 Жыл бұрын
When you talk about your upcomming Viper campaign, do you mean the one, that comes with the Kola Map, or are you creating a second Viper campaign?
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
The Kola map campaign
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
And it won't come WITH the Kola map, unless you mean 'at the same time with'.
@Sinni64
@Sinni64 Жыл бұрын
@@ReflectedSimulations I meant the second with:D
@dexterj18
@dexterj18 Жыл бұрын
OMG
@Stormrider-Flight
@Stormrider-Flight 11 ай бұрын
Easiest would be, setting your dispenser to bypass (BYP) instead of using any programm. This way, CMS fwd and aft control flare / chaff manually: One press = One dispense.
@wavehopper4183
@wavehopper4183 Жыл бұрын
It's a shame the towable decoys aren't available in DCS. Would certainly add more survivability to weaselling.
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
Didn’t ED say somewhere that the decoys will be coming at some point?
@vrgamingitalia8105
@vrgamingitalia8105 Жыл бұрын
With the actual ecm bug you don't need them, just go cold with ecm on and EVERYTHING will lose lock istant, even missiles, until they fix on gs server it's just 9x aghagaahah
@FirstDagger
@FirstDagger Жыл бұрын
@@ReflectedSimulations ; Yes, AN/ALE-50 towed decoys are planned for our Viper. On the pylon of station 2 and 8. It will come after new rope physics are introduced according to a roadmap by Wags at the end of 2022.
@groundpoundersimulations8317
@groundpoundersimulations8317 Жыл бұрын
@@ReflectedSimulations after EA on the current roadmap, which is a shame
@krostouin
@krostouin Жыл бұрын
​@@vrgamingitalia8105ECM never worked fine for A2A in DCS. Perhaps one day, but it is not a priority, probably because complexity and sensitive topic. Add the lag of 60 players on GS, and voila 😅
@brandonchappell1535
@brandonchappell1535 Жыл бұрын
didnt even know you could program countermeasures, That will be mighty helpful when theres actually decent campaigns to use it in🤣
@gregkar2736
@gregkar2736 6 ай бұрын
The fist button is the panic flare button, it is usually set to dispence a lot of flares in cases like when the pilot sees an IR missile tracking at the last moment All the other programs are usually programmed as per pilot's preference. I use program 1 (cms fwd) for 1 chaff and program 6 (cms left) for 1 flare.
@vrgamingitalia8105
@vrgamingitalia8105 Жыл бұрын
i never use programs, i just go thumb left when i need them, and active what i need when i need
@CookieMonster-nt8hh
@CookieMonster-nt8hh Жыл бұрын
ironic that you use the panic button for the program with more planning and the normal switch for the immediate program
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations Жыл бұрын
🤷‍♂️
@Stratilizer
@Stratilizer Жыл бұрын
Just go with knowing the threats and personal preference on what to use. You’re not going to find documentation on what to use.
@ratsac
@ratsac 10 ай бұрын
I think the RL programs used for countermeasures is a closely guarded secret which I hope nobody actually posts in the comments. Please don’t ask for stuff like that. You’re going to get someone in trouble. Or worse…
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations 10 ай бұрын
Yes I guess that’s true. I wasn’t asking about the actual programs though. But how the 3 different buttons are/were used
@ratsac
@ratsac 10 ай бұрын
@@ReflectedSimulations see 5:25 in the video. “What is a realistic chaff and flare program?”
@ReflectedSimulations
@ReflectedSimulations 10 ай бұрын
@@ratsac ok, everyone, do NOT send me realistic CM programs! :)
@ratsac
@ratsac 10 ай бұрын
@@ReflectedSimulations 😂😂😂
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