Again I wanna be clear Valve intended for the game to use sub-tick input and actions, so if you "de-sub-tick" actions in the game, proceed at your own risk. The most important thing is that they address this and because of all these discoveries they are practically FORCED to do something about it now.

Now the next patch notes will simply read “fixed aliases overriding subtick inputs” whilst everyone hates their game lmao

CS' community is the best. Literally everyone is digging in everything to make the game better. And I am sure Valve is watching and listening.

Really wish Valve would outright explain their aversion to 128 tick. They designed a whole new system instead of it, so I’d hazard a guess there’s some significant reason for it outside of just “cheaping out”

Next update: removed alias command

Watched. Great video. This is what cs needs to hear. Thanks again for informing the community

If Valve removes the Alias command I think Vallve would be senndinga very strong message to us at that point, I would consider that to be the second part of the same message when the hard cksed 64 tick when Faceit came around.

If they don't get CS2 feeling better than CSGO soon they are throwing away a golden opportunity. They knew exactly what everyone wanted, 128 tick. They decided (seemingly from greed) not to do that despite being the most profitable company in the U.S (per capita of employees).

I’ve been playing for about 10-12 hours with the all the aliases in my auto exec, and maybe it’s just placebo but I actually feel a lot more consistent. TimeIsButaWindow made a great video about it and he experienced how the settings made it feel like you had less acceleration but things like counter strafing felt almost spot on to GO in contrast to the almost slidey and smooth feeling of default cs2 movement, and I gotta say I can definitely notice what he says in the slow acceleration, however the movement aspect feels so much more consistent now, maybe because I’m used to GO but either way I’m sticking with them just because of how consistent it’s made my gameplay.

I reeeeeeeeally love how the community comes together and keeps on pushing Valve. On the same note, I also hate how this game just got "released" and is basically in open beta. In the end the whole community will strive to get the absolutely best experience out of CS2 and I think this cannot be "stopped". If Valve does not fix those issues it seems like the community will just go and develop their own plugin to fix those issues on dedicated Servers like Faceit or eSportal.

Im Glad you guys have the time to go through all this. Me not so much I hardly get to play. So keep up the good work doing the devs work lol

one thing that really ticks me off with CS2, is that crouch jumping feels very inconsistent. e.g. when trying to jump on a ledge, that you wouldn't be able to land on, if you weren't to perfom a crouch-jump. Maybe the inconsistency is a result of sub-tick?

Watched. Love your content man! I hope Valve see this and action accordingly. :)

I think sub-tick is a rabbit hole Valve got themselves into without realizing just how deep it would get. Now there's no way back, they HAVE to make it work. The success of the game depends on it.

So glad you made a video of this. Hopefully valve patches the binds and improves the sub tick so the binds won’t be needed to improve consistency.

Watched, i started using the aliases and it literally feeks so much better. I can bhop way more consistently and the game just feels right. I hope they actually improve subtick rather than just removing the alias and not changing anything.

All we wanted was 128 tick and better anticheat 😂

watched. thanks for the coverage

You can do it in a clean way, without the use of aliases and without having overhead or console errors by binding it like this: bind w "+forward;//" bind s "+back;//" bind a "+left;//" bind d "+right;//" bind ctrl "+duck;//" bind shift "+sprint;//" bind space "+jump;//" this is also tournament legal!

I’m sure once valve patches things up and optimizes everything there won’t be a need to “de subtick” everything. I’m pretty sure they’re gonna remove this loophole anyways

watched!! great vid thank you bb

watched, great vid as always

Been using de-subticked movement for 2 weeks now and it definitely feels better, hope vavle can fix it and make the regular jump bind feel this good

Watched. Good job man. 👍

watched. Thank you for making those. Since the war broke out in Israel I wasn't able to keep up with the news.

thank you for your effort!

@MrMaxim will you make a video teaching us how to use this? I find it confusing to use a config in CS2 as it still uses CSGO folders / it's a mess

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aye good work Tri2p

Great to see how in depth the community is wanting to improve this and not just fully leave the game

The only thing I'm going to say is that in the last 4-5 updates we didn't get any gameplay updates. I think this is here to stay, I wouldn't be surprised if Valve decides to hardcode alias command out of the game just like they did with 128tick.

Binding the alias jump bind to mwheeldown for jumping/bunnyhopping made bunnyhopping a LOT better for me. way more consistent hitting continuous bunnyhops

watched ty Maxim

I wonder if cs_showpos is tied to client tickrate or fps, cause then that would explain the inconsistent jump height. As in you reach max height in-between 2 ticks and it doesn't show up on showpos

I have been wondering this for a while now, but what is the difference between CS2s subtick system and Overwatch's "High Precision Mouse Input" setting? I understand that the overwatch setting (not to be confused with the CS cheat thing) only affects aim, so that's the only area I would be wondering about. All these "issues" people are having with the sub-tick settings with consistency are similar to what I initially felt when toggling the setting in Overwatch. However, Overwatch allows each user to turn the setting on and off. Could a setting like this be implemented in CS2? If Overwatch could do it in 2019, surely valve could do it in 2023.

Watched. I knew something was off with movements and jumps and wasn't just me being too old !!

What's best for the game is 128 subtick servers or at least and option for faceit to implement it.

If I'm getting this correct so basically 128 subtick servers or tie animations to the current 64 subtick as well to make shooting feel as they were on CSGO when spraying?

Just now getting use to the spary

*watched* I noticed jumps are inconsistent like try it on mirage outside of ramp in CSGO if you wanted to jump up to the palace without your head sticking out you only crouch jumped now in cs2 it doesn't works everytime. The same goes for triple box jumping up there is now not so easy and consistent ty for these updates videos they really help ♥

Watched… thanks for reporting on this, it needs more attention

if i bind this jump bind and i bind to the w, a, s, d, to move and clear the console the de-sub-ticking will work?

love it!

Okay so it seems the server is literaly just being sent the command followed by the timestamp, so does that mean we could manipulate that timestamp to be always exactly halfway between two ticks as well as on tick? effectively creating a command that does movement/shooting etc at a consistent 128 ticks... half being subtick inputs, and half being ontick... no more random delay, but still feels better than 64 tick? Something like 'bind mouse1 "+attack ;-attack ;+attack ;-attack ;clear"'

back then de_dust now de_subtick. this game keeps on surprising

Valve: *invents a new tickrate system that supposedly should be better than 128tick* Community: "nah it's actually worse than 64 tick" *fucking removes it lmao*

is there a tutorial somewhere showing in-depth how this works? and how i use aliases?

I just tryed the jumping alias, and when I went to jump from window to short on and I couldn't do it, then I clear the alias and I did it three times in a row, please someone check if this is only for me please

Can you getting a ban fron it ? Like the bind for a 180 spin

HOLYYY TRIPP in maxim video

Does adding a semi-colon ; after each command like the example in the video work just as well?

watched, how do you de-sub-tick the gun shooting? what command in the consle do i type? :)

Desubticking my jump binds was the best thing ive ever done, i can actually bhop now :D

How do i de sibtick the Shots?

Aye my man tripp got a shout out

I'm having a ton of fun playing CS2. It is more exciting to have the new game with the new smokes, etc. But, I'm also glad these super hardcore people exist that care about consistency and the competitive nature of the game. These people help keep CS2 the pure shooting game it's always been. It needs to be the gold standard, if it loses that then it's just another silly game.

I rebound my shoot button but I cant switch between players when spectating while dead, does anyone know the command thats bound to left click by default?

was tryna keep the alias binds gatekept, NICE now we wnt have any alias binds goodjob!

The only Alias binds ESL allows for CS2 are jump throws right now. Maybe they’ll make an exception for CS2.

Watched! Do you think that Valve would ever consider this an exploit/mechanic abuse in the same category as cheating? Since we're literally messsing with the game's code, albeit in an almost harmless way I could see them having a hardass approach to the behavior. Like maybe even seeing it as ban worthy in the worst case?

they really should have cs2 a open beta first exactly for these kind of things. Now CSGO is gone an we get essentially a public play test.

Hey Maxim! Please, start focusing in what really matters to the community.. and yes, what i mean by this is that we NEED you TO SHOW US HOW TO TWERK!!! 😂😂 Thanks for all the amazing content!

i will watch your videos when i get my RTX 3090 see you there

so i need to use the command [bind mouse1 "+shoot;clear"] to de-sub tick my shots?

didn't know you could hmm, realign sprays maybe is how i should say it. going to try aliasing attacks maybe i'll be able to spray better with it.

wa8tched, im gonna try the desubticked jump because i could easily bhop in csgo

I anyways tapfire a lot, and most of my sprays miss regardless of the situation, so I don't find much of an issue with subticks for myself. However, the inconsistency in movement (especially counter strafing) definitely makes the game worse feeling. For now I only have movement de-subticked.

i realised why my jump throw bind was not consistant everytime

Well i have a garmin watch. Is that what i was supose to type ? Do you need model ?

i de-subticked WASD, jumping, mouse1 and shift the game - besides still feeling a bit sluggish - feels so much more consistent now i can finally hit bunnyhops and flicks again, jiggling and peeking is robust, the game feels like its flowing much better if they remove these aliases without making a proper implementation, i genuinely think i wont touch the game for a couple months i had beta since the first roll-out, and cs2 has always been frustrating to play for me until de-subticking

on a completly different note, is there a cs2 color text mod?

I love that the community is doing so much testing on absolutely everything. This way valve can actually fix these problems. If people just say "it feels different" that means absolutely nothing to Valve. I am no programmer but this looks like a tough problem to solve but still possible and I hope they fix it because on paper sub-tick is the real solution to the problem that 128 tick is just a band-aid for and loosing sub-tick for 128 tick would be extremely disappointing (they should still do 128 tick just so the annoying people in the community shut up). I also wonder if citadel (valve´s next multiplayer game) will use sub-tick.

Does anyone tries it after full release? Because the video with the jump alias was in limited test

as a programmer, i dont realy see how the sprays can be messed up, also i cant for the life of me understand how the movement got worse with subtick-tracking. My best guess is that they fundamentaly changed all the subtick-ed actions to maybe have some sort of serverside interpolation and for example the jump action is interpreted as "they jumped .009 seconds ago so their vertical speed is X instead of the actions causing effects to happen. But that would also be stupid, and i highley doubt they would have done something like that.

bing back the old tick system until their supposedly better sub tick is really ready

Will you make text color mod for cs2?

watched. btw, is my feeling off by detecting more possible cheaters?

my method for desubticking is `+action;name` because steam handles setting that cvar so no errors happen and it doesnt cause anything

I have my movement keys de-subticked and I cant say I notice much since I dont have a lot of hours in CS (and so cant tell much difference)(and back in csgo I BARELY did any kzing and bhop practice, and I did like zero surfing), my performance has been about the same. Well considering aim is more important (and game-sense and utility knowledge), and I play maps that dont require skilled movement, I can see why de-subticking my movement has a small effect on my performance edit: whoa I didnt know you can also de-subtick your shooting button. Urg, I dont want to sacrifice the subtick of mouse1 just for consistent sprays, so I'll just stick to subtick for shooting

someone can tell me the command that makes Bhopping feel great?

Great vid

I think it's a good choice for people who don't like subtick. Maybe valve should put a switch in settings about whether or not send subtick info to server.

WATCHED!

so if we can un-sub-tick jump... attack too ?

I really feel like the root cause of this inconsistency is the presentation - in other words, the sounds, animation and visuals just don't line up to their subtick counterparts, making things feel weird. I have a gut feeling people will prefer to play "desubticked" (why not unsubticked?!) because their experience with their character will feel better, even if their inputs are messed up.

Ok tried it for a week, didnt like it. How do i remove the desync?

Watched. I wish valve would just acknowledge this being a problem.

Posting this because nobody seems to know how subtick actually works, The game isn't processing your inputs faster your game isn't sending data faster or any of the other explanations i've read. Sub-tick allows the game to register your input the moment it happens instead of simply queueing it for the next tick. So in csgo you press shoot and depending on the time till the next tick (16 milliseconds for 64 tick) you shoot when that tick happens determining if you hit only takes in account where you are aiming when this tick happens. Cs2 registers the state and time when you gave that input so instead of shooting when the tick happens you send a command that tells the server how many milliseconds in the past you've shot and where you were aiming when you did that. This is goes for the movement etc too this is the only thing sub-tick does. As for the problems with the movement and jumping etc it seems that the inconsistent timings paired with the faster release commands cause inconsistencies. Think of holding W for a second cs has friction and acceleration and it takes a certain amount of time to reach a speed. Where pressing W in csgo would have you move for 16 milliseconds before the next tick can process a release command cs2 can be as little as 1 millisecond depending of when you press the button. It seems that queueing the release command with the alliases is fixing this issue.

Do hitboxes contribute to the game feeling weird as well??

so what commend to de sub tick spraying ?

Ngl I do really like the nit picky side of this, I would love a vid going into detail explaining the consistant timmings of GO vs CS2 more responsive but less accurate/consitant timming and how it would look or play out in a graph

HOW DO I USE THE JUMP THING? SOMEONE GIVE ME THE COMMANDS I NEED PLEASE

8 years later (just like csgo) in a major cs2 tournament = broken fundamentals 😂🤣

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Mr Banana doing the minimum to keep his family afloat. Please support him guys.

wish my neighbor Black Clive wouldn't be sponsored by gambling websites.

Why Valve simply doesn't sync client animations with client hit-registration?

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