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polished aluminum perhaps? SpaceX uses stainless but it's pretty heavy.

Sometimes heavy paint speeds things up by smoothing out exposed roundhead rivets because it reduces drag.

@@ronjon7942 Not necessarily. They found by not painting the P-51s they received about 100 extra miles of range.

@@a-fl-man640 SpaceX uses stainless due to the need for strength. The rocket is essentially an aluminum can, under pressure, fully loaded with fuel, it is at its strongest as outward pressure keeps any part of the surface from buckling. These are all assumptions I'm making. But I would have to think that the most vulnerable part of 1st stage booster flights would be MaxQ on reentry.

This is correct

And even after radio the Allies' planes had colorful tail markings, etc so other pilots could identify them and not shoot their own comrades down.

Incorrect they were given orders to CAMOUFLAGE the aircraft they objected hiding was not honourable especially to Cavalry officers. They made no mention of Colour Scheme or Pattern so they rounded up every brightly coloured tin of paint they could initially the High Commadnd was upset it was later accepted as the Joke it was intended and allowed.

I mean this is kind of correct. The flying circus is aircraft or painted normal colors. Browns beiges tans I think some might have experimented with some polka dot camouflage. But the only aircraft in the shiftstoffel that were painted red were leaders aircraft. And the section leaders aircraft was painted red so that all of the people following him could see him. I know where the Heck he was going because they didn't have radios and I'm pretty sure semaphore flags don't work real well in 100 mi an hour wind

​@@flechette3782no, the colorful tier markings and stuff had nothing to do with not being shot down by their friends. Because the Germans also had colorful markings on their tails and noses. Remember all them yellow ones? Anyway, the only identifying marks that were painted on aircraft specifically to prevent them from being shot up by allies where the invasion stripes on D-Day.

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@@jeffk412 No way: that joke is cutting Edge!

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@@davidz6156 Careful now, the CIA might send in a PTSD stricken operative to steal such an advanced joke.

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Additionally shiny surfaces reflect environmental IR directionally, like mirror and not like white paint. It helps a lot.

Really?! Thats fascinating I need to do more research 😅

Back in the Gulf War, they used lasers to target tanks on the ground. I thought then, why not cover them with mirrors? To bounce the lasers elsewhere?

And yet I still have the scars on my butt from sliding down that stainless-steel slide baking in the sun at the park as a kid… But seriously, I figured as much that these mirror coatings were to somehow deal with IRST. My limited understanding is that IRST capabilities in near-peer arsenals are significantly more acute than a few decades ago, so this must be a multispectral approach to stealth.

Just look up Low E glass for the quickest research. @@danielsnook7362

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It started with p-47s in 1943 far before air superiority was achieved. It was simply faster, cheaper, lighter to produce.

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And uhhh, 800 bombers with 400 fighter escorts, flying through the heart of the contrail band at 20-25,000ft... Not subtle. The sky has an 'ambient temp' which can be measured using millimeter wave radiometry and act as a baselining (think contrast and gamma on your video screen) threshold for multi (2-5) and hyper (more than 10) spectral notch IRST. When you apply QWIP technology to FPA megapixel or more array sizes you can literally stack photons in time by which trap they fall into. And then sort those which arrive in a common direction by rapidly electronically scanning the array, the same way you would an AESA radar. Once you are sure that all light from a particular source on a set of cross doped detectors is from one bearing and not 'bent' by various diffractive/absorbative optical effects; you can begin to look for smears of common characteristic. Such as tip shock on a supersonic nose and in front of the wing LEs. Vortice flow over those wings, hot metal shining through the fuselage skin from the engines and the jet pipe and of course the exhaust plume which, however diffused by mixing systems like square nozzles, is still a lot of very compressed air expanding in a very cold volume, causing it's own turbulent wake patterns. Any smear of multiple overlapping key signatures, corresponding to an airframe gets mapped against that cold-mapped sky and bam. You can suddenly sweep entire regions of airspace, out to dozens of miles, rather than suffer soda straw effects. Stealth is particularly subject to this kind of tracking because it is already using Pythagorean Theory to A2+B2=C2 max the slant range from any given radar and thus will be very high up, beyond the trashfire. The Chinese combine their quantum computing leads with these hyperspectral capabilities as a function of tuned, machine learning, optronics systems and stealth is dead. They already have something they call 'Cat's Eyes' which can see a jumbo jet at 300km, a B-2 at 150km and an F-22 at 90-110km. The big issue then becomes how much these systems cost as an adjunct or replacement for AESA radars and how vulnerable they are as 10-15in apertures to both destructive laser illumination and RCS compromise.

Its for lasers and infrared

Agreed ceramic stealth coatings.

Yes. It's not a coating like paint, but it is a ceramic. Developed at the University of North Carolina, co-developed with China - they also conducted gain of function viral research with Dr Shi Zhengli, later made illegal in part off the back of these tests, who took the info she learned back to China, to a place called W u ha n a couple of years before - that - happened. IMO the board and President of that Uni need replacing and comprehensive tightening of the defense research industry. Imagine if the USA in the 1930s had invited the Japanese to participate in their most sensitive, secret research and testing. Truth IS stranger than fiction.

@@s3p4kner She was not the one working on the stealth coating.

The Batwing Bomber uses ceramics around the engine exhaust ports to prevent heat signatures.

The British experimented with different shades of pink at night in Africa at night in WWII

In general red and blue dyes are much more sensitive than white and black pigments. I can imagine that the blue paint simply did not perform in endurance testing.

I was in the initial cadre of Black Jet testing and the blue thing was part of a program name (Have Blue), NOT in reference to a color. The first prototype was gray. All production F-117s were black - but it wasn’t paint. ITV was such an honor to be selected fit a TS program that no one needed a certain color to “attract them” to the program. You were selected and you showed up for work. Period.

This was my thought too. As shown in WWII, with ships as well as planes, matching the brightness of the sky by reflecting the sky itself is better camouflage than just trying to be dull against the sky.

@@LontracanadensisAgreed. And these mirrored finishes are much more reflective than the bare metal used in some WWII aircraft. You’d think a reflected glare would be easy to spot, but I suspect it would actually be quite difficult to figure out what it was outside of a few miles’ distance, or to see it at all it you’re looking in the sun’s direction.

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@@CHNISD no, the chrome material was tested earlier this year, a Chromed F-22 was spotted in Edwards air base I think

@@RogueBeatsARG He is correct. We did testing in 1993 under "Senior Spud" where the reflective metallic finishes were applied. So, it was "first".

@@trunkmonkey9417 fr? Damn that tech is old

@@RogueBeatsARG f-117 was the first one decades ago. It's not chrome. It's like a mylar space blanket material to stealth the jets infrared signature.

Agreed that canards are inherently non stealthy. Thrust vectoring, aeroelastic wings may be more likely. They are designed in neutral position to be stealthy and used only when stealth is compromised or in takeoff/landing situations.

The RAM coatings on current aircraft don't absorb the incident energy, they absorb the currents induced in the aircraft which get re-radiated when they hit discontinuities in the skin, or the opposite edge of the wing or control surface. The primary stealth of operational aircraft is about the shape and orientation of edges and discontinuities. Surface RAM works on the second-tier effects.

@@user-qt5xm2xp2f Even if the silver material isn't quite that, the concept I describe may still be interesting for this kind of application. If the return can be shifted in frequency or delayed, it's still going to cause issues with a radar's effectiveness. Regardless of how the radar works, there's a narrow range of expectations in what it is looking for on it's receiver end. If you have hundreds of little transponder circuits per square inch applied on a surface, it seems they could certainly be designed to fuzz any return signal that comes off of it. However there's probably more magic in the tuning of each little circuit in the printed pattern as well and done regarding the profile of the surface it's applied to. Moire or noise patterns vs. how stuff would normally scatter at incident angles, etc. Might be something that could screw with the profiles used to achieve lock or path prediction on guidance. There's probably more than one path to achieve an ends, so why wouldn't that be one of them?

i do! use lightwave 3d and model tons of aircraft. this has nice models and some great lighting and reflections.

I just had a look very realistic rendering ! I am modeling jets to fly RC @@AdAstraOnYafro

That was bare aluminum

all of them? if not by the ngad. f18s are subjected to salt water and carrier landings, they wont be around forever, and i dont think they are making anymore.

They shit down production of f 22 years ago.

Yet no country with carriers uses them…

It is a misconception that having a horizontal "tail in the front" is less stable that a conventional tail. You can design it either way.

@@Frankie5Angels150 Now there is a relevant observation (tongue in check). Most aircraft with canards are more STABLE particularly on approach to landing. Now let’s see . . . most challenging time in Naval Aviation.

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I agree with what you’re saying, but it’s extremely unlikely that it’s actually chrome that that would be hard to believe just because it’s some shiny paint or something doesn’t necessarily mean that it gives up its stealth properties, but you may be onto something. Another reason certain parts aren’t painted, maybe such as the radome and the leading edges all have antennas or radar there.

You want to reflect the radar, not scatter it. If you scatter it, you cannot control what direction it chooses to go and some will inevitably go back to the radar. . .

The aircraft could still have RAM under the mirrored coating. All you’d have to do is make the mirrored coating reflective only in the visual spectrum, not to IR or radar.

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Not bad, patchwork won't notice, it only gets better.

dumbest comment I’ve seen in a while

You are confusing surface smoothness with color. The boundary layer isn't affected by color.

Now you know!

@@PilotPhotog knowing is half the battle!

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it can only see what it is pointed at.

I very much doubt that NGAD would have canards. It will likely have traditional rear control surfaces, possibly supplemented by (or replaced entirely by) strategically placed thrusters to provide great maneuverability. These thrusters are already used on the Patriot PAC-3 missile.