Deadly Fallujah Wargame

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5 жыл бұрын

In this episode, Little Wars TV re-fights the deadliest urban engagement the US Marines have seen since Vietnam. Josh leads a round table discussion among the club's military veterans to review the background leading up to Operation Phantom Fury in late 2004. Woody recounts his first-hand experience in Iraq, and then four players fight the wargame on an incredible 8'x6' tabletop with 20mm miniatures and the rules "Force on Force." Can the Marines sweep this neighborhood of the Jolan District in Fallujah, or will the insurgents spring the perfect ambush? Find out this week on Little Wars TV!
Visit www.LittleWarsTV.com for bonus content and much more! The bloopers for this episode and the extended round table discussion will each be available on our website next week. But check back here on KZfaq for the "Force on Force" rule review and our first two-minute terrain tutorial.
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@robertmoffitt1336 2 жыл бұрын

I'll try to watch this, but I served in Desert Storm, and this content just effects me emotionally, which is just me, nothing wrong with what and how you all are doing this. There's nothing wrong at all with what you all are doing, and I really love the way you are presenting the content and the way this vid starts out. But I had to pause it to finish my comment here. Additionally, my middle son served 2012-2016 with the Marine Corps, two middle east deployments, and it all just hits too close to home for me. I start to break down when I see or think of our troops in harm's way. It just brings on a strong reaction. I'll come back to this and see if I can get all the way through the vid at a later time. You guys are special, don't stop what you're doing! I'm a huge fan of yours!

@Not_My_Blood Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service

@programz 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for your service, sir. You are a very brave and courageous man.

@nickkobe9729 5 жыл бұрын

I'm a Vietnam veteran. I Was with the 101st Airmobile Div. I was a military correspondent for the division which means I did my writing and photography from the combat I witnessed while the division was in combat. I didn't set at a desk at the division HQ. The Vietnam war would make a great game!

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion, Nick! We do have a couple of nice Vietnam miniature collections in the club (in three different scales, no less). It is most certainly on the "to do" list for a future episode.

@danmorgan3685 5 жыл бұрын

That could be a tough one to model. If you opted for jungle terrain "open ground" would have to be jungle. Line of sight would be limited unless looking down a road, trail or rice field. You would have to model how troops on either side can fade from view by moving a few inches. Blind fire would have to be modeled. Man the list does go on.

@johnnygreenface4195 5 жыл бұрын

@@danmorgan3685 like in kriegspiel! Where the pieces are moved on multiple boards with a ref to move the bits.

@danmorgan3685 5 жыл бұрын

@@johnnygreenface4195 I was thinking something involving miniatures. In that case the typical solution would be to use markers. You could use markers that indicate what tables to roll on for the forces revealed. This would mean neither player would know what element is revealed. Mind you not even the owning player.

@pentuprager6225 5 жыл бұрын

It's known as The American War in Vietnam. Vietnam kicked the French out. Then kicked the USA out; tails between their legs. Third world State beats the shit out of two First world States or in the USA's case 50 States. State is another word for country. USA cant win a war; so forces outher States/Terrorists to do the fighting. Aircraft carriers cant load ammo or use the F35s. Profit over working equipment.

@neurofiedyamato8763 4 жыл бұрын

"lifeforms that make it not vegan at this point." I died at that comment.

@robsevendaysaweek 5 жыл бұрын

I hope you guys read your comments because I want to tell you, I absolutely love this video’s format. A deep historical discussion along with game play to compliment it. +1 sub and thank you all for your service.

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Rob! We are thrilled to have you. And yes, we make a point to read every comment and reply to as many as possible!

@dieseldejavu 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rob! 👊🏼

@steveholmes11 4 жыл бұрын

I'm personally uncomfortable playing "Modern" games, but have never let that roll over into disliking the genre, or thinking badly of those who play it. You gents have laid on a superb spectacle here, and it's fascinating listening to the veterans discuss how it matches their own experiences. Great video, and a game that asked some "real life" questions of either side.

@rc59191 Жыл бұрын

I've never found it to be disrespectful though I personally wouldn't do things like get into Vietnam or World War 2 reenacting even though I was an Airman and current Son's of Union Civil War Veteran's member. People are still alive from those era's so to me it's weird telling them and others what went down during that time.

@CheckYourLeaderTV Жыл бұрын

I’m an Afghanistan and Middle East veteran. I have no issue with contemporary conflict WARGAMES. WARGAMES are exactly that,.. GAMES. I also helped train Marines in 2004 as part of an Australian Army Training Assistance Team member during the surge whilst the Fallujah operation was evolving. Implementing ‘lessons learnt’ was fascinating

@ostrowulf 5 жыл бұрын

I keep thinking about picking this up. My main gaming buddy and I both went to Afghanistan twice each (Canadian infantry), and we discussed playing Afghanistan on the table top. I even still have a satalite image map from my first firefight, so could really set up a realistic scenario. I am hoping to do that when my daughter is older to help give vissuals to stories. In my mind I have no issue gaming it, any more than when I was "LARPing" as Taliban as enemy force in California for Americans traing to go over, or Wainright/Suffield for Canadians.

@julianjames2899 Жыл бұрын

What unit were you with?

@ostrowulf Жыл бұрын

@@julianjames2899 mostly 1PPCLI, though I did a tour attatched to 2VP, and with that was kind of attatched to 3VP for a bit (long story for a KZfaq comment), as well as spent some time attatched to LdSH, as TOW got moved there, so a company of infantry went with it for a few years.

@vincentgregory1470 4 жыл бұрын

This was done very well guys. I really liked the fact you included vets and asked how they felt about gaming what they lived. Great, great work.

@georgeorwell3125 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much to all of you for your service and for making this video. I was a USMC 0311 from 2000-2004. My MEU was diverted in Jan 03 and I invaded from Kuwait on 21MAR03. I joined the Army as an 11Bang-Bang in Jan06. I retreaded because I couldn't hack it in the 1stCivDiv. (Joined the Army because I didn't know how to use the internet. And my phone book was out dated. ... like a bad map in pre-internet LandNav hahaha). I was medically discharged in 09 after my 3rd tour. (2nd tour was 18months straight extended for the surge in 06-08). I saw every phase with everything from iron sights as a Marine in the invasion, to the surge to reconciliation. In every Iraqi clime from rural Basra province to Sadr City patrolling the Wall on Rte Gold. I have struggled every single day from 09 to 2019. Seeing your game (and how to build) has made me more excited than I remember since being in combat. Thank you! I am building mine now. It sounds weak, but I feel so much release watching this that my eyes are watering. Thank you all. Semper Fi, Cav Leads the Way, SSGT E.W.

@RockinL7BuckingBulls 4 жыл бұрын

What do you mean “Was a 0311” ? Once a Marine Always a Marine. Semper Fi Devil Dog. 6112 Crewchief CH-46

@lord_insany 4 жыл бұрын

"I fought wars for Israel"

@agilemonk6305 3 жыл бұрын

Be strong Brother. Thank you all for your service, from one Veteran to another.

@DarkEmpireGames 5 жыл бұрын

My lord do you guys deserve more views, awesome work, great production value!

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Justin. Be sure to remind the man behind the curtain at KZfaq to help us find some of those viewers! We just started posting in July and it's not always easy to find fellows gamers and history nerds. Hope you'll stick around!

@DarkEmpireGames 5 жыл бұрын

@@LittleWarsTV I will definitely do so, I'll also be turning my gaming group your way, cheers!

@howgoesthere12 5 жыл бұрын

This is great content. The way you explain the history before every fight is just amazing. I'm so happy I found this channel, game on boys!

@EryxUK 5 жыл бұрын

I wish there was more contemporary war games. I'd quite like something that showed a "what if..." style game using modern nation's and their equipment/units.

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

EryxUK we a game that type of stuff every once and a while. Russia v. China, NATO v. Warsaw Pact, modern naval actions, etc. it’s definitely fun to explore the possibilities.

@jacqueline6475 5 жыл бұрын

I know this is very late, but you know Team Yankee!?

@Derpy-qg9hn 3 жыл бұрын

Fistful of TOWs 3 has an equipment list that goes right up to 2016 for most of NATO and Russia, and up to about 2010 for China.

@EryxUK 3 жыл бұрын

@@Derpy-qg9hn I've not heard of that one. I'll take a look. Thank you.

@MrMontanaNights 3 жыл бұрын

I was in Fallujah with 2/2 Marines back in 2005/6 .The conversation was interesting and enjoyed the game. The background info really adds to the Gaming.

@BakaGaijin66 4 жыл бұрын

21:15 "let's get this out on to a tray. Nice"

@neurofiedyamato8763 4 жыл бұрын

lmao I was going to comment that.

@johnchristie823 5 жыл бұрын

In the 1980's in the Australian Army, we had a 24 hour ration pack that was about double those MRE's and came in 5 flavors, Hunger is the best sauce, but you would trade with your mates to get the bits that you liked. I went to fort Ord in 1987 and they gave us your ration packs and I like the Frank and Beans just add hot water!!

@antiussentiment 4 жыл бұрын

The irony of the democracy t-shirt made me smile.. Great scenery building (as usual).

@DominusRexDK 5 жыл бұрын

that round table discussion was quite interesting, will definitely watch it. and looking forward to the rules look through.

@calerdonian 5 жыл бұрын

another fantastic video, such high production quality and an interesting subject indeed.

@vruxdrossgaming 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you all for your service, and may you all live a happy, and peaceful life. I just subscribed so I'll catch up on the other videos soon.

@norseman_5334 5 жыл бұрын

The part the brought back most memories of the “litter box” was watching you eat that MRE☺️ Love what you guys do! Keep it up!

@christinalynngrimm9421 5 жыл бұрын

Great narration & excellent recounting of recent yet still incredibly remarkable historical information. 😄

@noahdefrancisco2911 4 жыл бұрын

I plan on enlisting as an armor crewman as I am just about out of high school. Thank you guys for your service!

@EtzEchad 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you all for your service! You are heroes.

@stuartbaxter-potter8363 4 ай бұрын

This is an underrated episode just for the discussion about the beginning. Thank you all for sharing that with us.

@esr243 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent ! I found your intro discussion - at least the part you shared - to exclude the reason of the second Fallujah battle : the killing of the four US contractors. Even if that rationale was not official at the time, everybody was talking about it. I was there. Would be worth a replay because of the quality of the model. Anyways, well done ! Big fan of wargames and your series.

@kimchapman9198 5 жыл бұрын

Really loved this episode guys, found your discussions, as Veterans, to be highly entertaining and the scenario looked great as well, would loved to have seen more of the action (and the game didn't look that long as neither side really did much... but i haven't played FoF so i don't really know how it plays)

@gromuk 5 жыл бұрын

great episode, nice job guys

@silvarknite7 5 жыл бұрын

Great table, and great game guys!

@salmaoni2856 4 жыл бұрын

Just found you guys, absolutely love it, really brilliant work very cool and informative

@duaneleavesley3778 Жыл бұрын

awesome video! very fun to watch

@toweroftrollgaming 3 жыл бұрын

It's nice to see you guys doing battle from recent. I'm suprized I was there as well in Nov 04

@HeinzMcDurgen 5 жыл бұрын

Woody. My man. AATW brother! Always good to see another paratrooper. I felt like you articulated a lot of my views on the game and playing modern stuff. You messed up with that MRE though - you have to mix the peanut butter and tabasco in with the crackers and the pasta! From one vet to another, Thanks for you service fellas. 82nd LRSD 05-10

@sixtwentyeight8620 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video, high quality content. Thank you.

@NoMuse13 5 жыл бұрын

Great stuff and a GORGEOUS map board

@dieseldejavu 5 жыл бұрын

NoMuse13 thanks! It took us about a year of labor to get all the buildings, roads, scatter junk constructed and game-ready.

@VasKropZolo 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great video. God bless the brave.

@TheRendar 5 жыл бұрын

Great video and awesome channel ! Keep up the great work and videos

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Matt!

@sthiel126 3 жыл бұрын

That MRE segment in the beginning cracked me up! xD

@baldiesbattlesinminiature5902 5 жыл бұрын

HI All, just found your channel after a chum on DBA forum pointed you out. Your production levels are great and like most gamers in my opinion your levels of humour throughout really make it like watching on a regular club night. Have to say having scotch around in some of the vids is also a good draw. I am off out to make a hat so I can wear it and then take it off and doff it in your general direction. Many thanks for taking the time to post em up and happy gaming.

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

Glad you found us! Now that our first "season" is over we do intend to do some Scotch videos for fun!

@brenwolf 4 жыл бұрын

great content!

@ulf793 4 жыл бұрын

Respect to all you guys from England!,

@LittleWarsTV 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, John!

@ulf793 4 жыл бұрын

@@LittleWarsTV great channel by the way , only just found it.

@brianford8493 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant stuff guys....being downrange never goes away.✌️

@gazeboist4535 5 жыл бұрын

It'd be interesting to see a longer campaign with modern rules, or maybe a battle/campaign involving multiple factions, since that's pretty typical in the ME theater.

@gameram6382 4 жыл бұрын

From a british army infantry vet cheers for your service guys. Respect to the us armed forces

@raaven616gaming6 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah had to pass on this. To many brothers gone for me.

@joeblow4499 3 жыл бұрын

Great game and commentary.

@Anvilarm07 5 жыл бұрын

Great vid. The table looked amazing. But the actual game seemed a bit short.

@michaelo1061 5 жыл бұрын

This is great!

@AHersheyHere 5 жыл бұрын

I like how the guy most critical of the pound cake was the one who got the big piece.

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

They all ended up somewhat enjoying the pound cake! Dry as hell, though.

@greyjedi4794 3 жыл бұрын

Do Hiem minis? Those are beautifully painted. My compliments.

@erniemiller1953 3 жыл бұрын

As a vet, I find it can be therapeutic for soldiers who are dealing with issues from being involved in a battle that is "played" in a scenario. I would be cautious if one suffers from PTSD caused by a battle. I would caution such a vet to consider psychological guidance before doing so.

@JimHopper 5 жыл бұрын

awesome game - inspired to try something similar

@particle7246 Жыл бұрын

Once upon a time a veteran from Iwo Jima looked me in the eyes and told me an unhinged version of what happened on that island...👣 I will never forget the unholy fire that burned in the depths of his eyes, he was no longer human but instead something else...🐉

@virtuallyreal5849 Жыл бұрын

What time, who was the veteran, what was the version, what the hell do you mean, “unholy fire” why wasn’t he human any longer, what was he else? You’re comment has given incredible little information in a remarkably frivolous way.

@particle7246 Жыл бұрын

@@virtuallyreal5849 I am not permitted to post such scary stuff on KZfaq but I can say that the intro to a movie "saving private Ryan" is as close as you can get to what he told me. I was 7 when he told me what happened and he was in full PTSD mode, his buddies had to pull him aside because he was back on the Island and would have killed me if he really wanted to.😱 I will never disrespect his memories, and I will never forget that fire in his eyes.🐉

@calgarmaximus 5 жыл бұрын

If you guys are planning on doing anymore modern stuff, you should check out Spectre Operations from Spectre Miniatures, or even Danger Close from Empress Miniatures

@charleseckart634 5 жыл бұрын

Complaining about 14 year old MRE's? I was given 20 year old C rats from WW II, dead before I was born!

@mattmanshaw Жыл бұрын

FAVORITE ONE

@bobiojimbo 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@inthegameroompodcast 5 жыл бұрын

Great looking table. You did a great job on the GCmini.com buildings.

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

Josh in our club gets the credit for that. He does a great job dressing up their buildings with extra details to make them stand out. Next week he also has a terrain tutorial coming on how scratch built some of the custom buildings on the table, as well!

@GuyInnagorillasuit 5 жыл бұрын

Psst! Allen *is* Gamecraft.

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

Hah! Go figure, I'm probably the only one in the whole club who doesn't have any GC kits.

@dieseldejavu 5 жыл бұрын

Fallujah Josh here- thanks! I love GC stuff! I like using their 20mm kits to add more “fancy” detailed buildings to my city. And their roads with sidewalks are great.

@kevlarburrito6693 3 жыл бұрын

I spent 3 years in Iraq as well. I find wargaming therapeutic, modern or otherwise. I actually live near where your club is, but don't have anyone to wargame with.

@vinnart Жыл бұрын

Never was a table top war gamer, but check out the war game simulation Combat Mission made by Battlefront which is an animated version of table top gaming like this. The game is serious enough that some militaries are using it for training.

@leejames929 5 жыл бұрын

i love the Asymmetric warfare thing in this. i was wondering if you think you could do something similar with Partisans in ww2 to avoid some of the issues people have with gaming in the modern setting

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

Oh yes, 100%. They also have Vietnam scenarios for Force on Force, so the rules could be used for a fairly wide period of combat.

@damuses1452 5 жыл бұрын

What "issues" do people have with gaming modern era battles? Seriously, I'm tired of certain types of people interjecting themselves upon others. Live free or die.

@dieseldejavu 4 жыл бұрын

A WW2 partisan game would be great fun. Maybe need to get some minis for that....

@Diabolik771 5 жыл бұрын

Helluva set up

@kaiseryank9310 2 жыл бұрын

My uncle was there, died January of ‘05 in a helicopter crash. Never got to meet him

@CliftonHicksbanjo 5 жыл бұрын

01:52 1/1 Cav! Brian, you POOR bastard! I was a Comanche Troop tanker 2003-2005. 🍻

@thegimpygamer Жыл бұрын

Cool scenario. I served there myself and ended up being wounded by a IED. Now I do my own small wargame channel.

@andytyrrell5153 2 жыл бұрын

I do like watching your games and I think the tables are very visual though I wish you could do a couple of things. A) give a little breakdown of your regiments and game units. What is their composition. What weapons do they have, any traits, bonuses. B) make some in-game commentary so a player can share why he is using troop or unit X to capture tactical point y or what particular strategy he is thinking. It just helps viewers get a bit more immersive in the game. It would not be less effective, I would argue a better video to make the games say 45-60 mins long.

@michaelbuchanan3212 5 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see you using Skirmish Sangin by Radio DishDash Publications, which is a Skirmish wargame rulebook for Modern Afghanistan.

@dieseldejavu 5 жыл бұрын

We just started playing around with SS. Perhaps next season?

@MutantGuppyFromHell 4 жыл бұрын

Wow haven't had MRE's in forever....lucky you guys lol! At least it wasn't hardtack but it was close

@sirus976 5 жыл бұрын

could i see some more gamplay or make a seprate video on the gameplay

@GuyInnagorillasuit 5 жыл бұрын

(Dieter here) We'll have some of that in the future. We're going to do a some games in a second format with more gaming and less production. It won't be the same games that get the regular episode treatment but we'll be doing some videos with more of a focus on the tabletop.

@kimchapman9198 5 жыл бұрын

@@GuyInnagorillasuit This would be great, i love your videos and how you do them, but this one needed more of the table action

@lukevillarreal1458 4 жыл бұрын

@@GuyInnagorillasuit I too feel like the battle itself could've gotten a bit more screen time, especially with high intensity moments like fire fights or critical rolls.

@Kili121416 5 жыл бұрын

Great show, interesting discussion. Nice to see a modern game. Have FnF rules but was hoping that TooFatLardies Modern rules would be published but looks like Rich has killed it. Interesting that this is because the British Defence Dept believes that it will give the enemy too much info, or so I believe.

@rexharrison400 5 жыл бұрын

The models are way cool.

@georgea.567 2 жыл бұрын

17:51 wow love the detail of the shot of Saddam portrait.

@122_gleb8 10 ай бұрын

I have a question for little wars tv Where do you guys get supply and things for your wargames

@SgtSoda 2 жыл бұрын

Wait, didn’t the US give warning to the city that anyone wishing to evacuate can, but after the evacuation period, no cautions will be taken for anyone still in the city?

@rcgunner7086 2 жыл бұрын

Yes and no. They did give the civilians a chance to get out prior to the battle, but they still had rules of engagement that did cause problems. However these ROEs were looser than normal, but they weren't quite full weapons free. However the "general" assumption was that anyone who was left was there because they were there to fight.

@stevehall9333 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, just a bit tooo close to home.. Otherwise, love your channel

@KingGhidorah_ Жыл бұрын

3:45 - "It's a trap!"

@user-ds2rd2oq1r 2 ай бұрын

They had MRE’s from World War II that were still good

@tabletopgeneralsde310 4 жыл бұрын

Great game, how did you make all these buildings and walls?

@rc59191 2 жыл бұрын

There's a company in the UK that makes them.

@Salty_Sassenach 2 жыл бұрын

Great video 👍 Where are the miniatures from & are they 28mm???

@direden 7 ай бұрын

I provided PTSD treatment to many Fallujah vets at Navy Hospital Camp Lejeune. I'd be uncomfortable playing this game. It was an interesting discussion.

@fromhere54 3 жыл бұрын

Pound Cake? Oh Hell Yeah!

@onezuludelta732 5 жыл бұрын

What was the book one of you was holding during the round table discussion?

@danitenotes Жыл бұрын

Where are those miniatures from? I've been looking for a good modern line of minis.

@sanavkids4790 Жыл бұрын

When I played this game,I used 14 figures for USMC but the squad morale was too much big and especially for Insurgents,the power was too much as it was mentioned in the rule book that you need to put 20 figures ,I don't think they need to put so much figures for a skirmish warfare in Falloujah.Only 6 to 8 figures are needed for the battle

@brandanshaw5326 2 жыл бұрын

Do you guys have any recommendations on where to purchase 28mm modern models like the ones in your video?

@SusCalvin 4 ай бұрын

I wonder what happened with all those mines. The insurgents should have four more mines placed around the area. Did the marines avoid them by accident?

@thatbritishmodelguy 2 жыл бұрын

Looks fun, where are the minis from?

@MStonewallC Жыл бұрын

Munitions being stored inside of mosques reminds me of the unfortunate fate of the Parthenon in Athens. Today it looks like a crumbling ruin, which you might expect of a 2500 year-old building, but it was actually doing just fine almost completely intact for the first 2000 years of its history until the Ottomans used it as a munitions storage and it was bombed by the Venetians in the 1600s.

@orvin2vids Жыл бұрын

where can you purchase the miniatures for this game? I can't seem to find them anywhere....

@bernardputersznit64 2 жыл бұрын

IMHO, Too many still broken warriors to do this - that aside - it is masterwork simulation, perhaps apropos for a military college

@kilroy07 3 жыл бұрын

Funny things about MRE's they taste the same 14yrs later as they did back then! LOL

@Magicwillnz 5 жыл бұрын

It is distasteful when used for rank propaganda. This was really interesting.

@ScipioAfricanusI 3 жыл бұрын

Wargames are a fantastic educational tool. I think they are vital for showing the possibilities of an event and the stakes involved, by exploring alternatives. When I was in high school I was reading the rules for Advanced THird Reich. A girl saw me reading it and I had to explain that this was not supporting Nazis. This is not a trivial issue. How can history of evil be elucidated without romanticizing it. That is a vital concern in history.

@scallen3841 5 жыл бұрын

Did they add the houses filled with explosive's

@colincampbell817 Жыл бұрын

MRE consumed - stand by for a couple of days of constipation!

@rhoddryice5412 Жыл бұрын

11:08 Only 13 years. Properly freeze dried food should last at least twice as long. I think the oldest I’ve eaten was short of 40 years old.

@talesfromshedhq5208 5 жыл бұрын

When’s the full round table discussion available to watch?

@LittleWarsTV 5 жыл бұрын

The extended round-table discussion will be available for our website members (you can sign up for free) this Thursday, along with a cool terrain tip video, as well!

@talesfromshedhq5208 5 жыл бұрын

Little Wars TV great thanks

@SandboxJ 3 жыл бұрын

I am a Marine vet (03-07). I spent some time out side of Fallujah supporting Camp Fallujah during my time in. I really would love to get into this style of wargaming (Modern). I have looked on the website for the rule book but it looks like they have not updated anything since 2015. Also where do you find the minatures for this? I have not located a place to purchase them. Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all!

@rcgunner7086 2 жыл бұрын

Hard copies, like they said, are pretty silly in price now. Be ready to shell out $100+ for a cheap copy. The miniatures just depend on the scale. I do 15mm which is a lot cheaper than 28mm, especially if you're doing vehicles. 15mm is easy to get through Battlefront Miniatures with their Team Yankee line (you can get '80's era US soldiers, Bradleys, M113s, and Abrams rather cheaply from them as well as Soviet, British, German, and French forces too). Rebel Miniatures can hook you up with more modern US troops and insurgents. I would also suggest Khurasan Miniatures for modern US, UK, and insurgents. Khurasan Miniatures are very detailed and he has a nice array of modern vehicles (Humvees, Abrams, and Strykers). You're on your own for 20mm or 28mm.

@wheelcha1rman2 7 ай бұрын

For 28mm modern, Spectre, Empress Miniatures, or 3D prints are your best bets.