Dean, I have a small machine made for doing this. It uses rubber pencil erasers for the rubber tips. These come in long cylinders which can be cut to convenient lengths. The metal is first polished to avoid trying to do the perlage over scratches. Actual diamond dust in oil is used with the rubber erasers. The rubber is not impregnated like a craytex rod. Another method that I have been experimenting with is using small "dots" punched from 3" diameter PSA micro abrasive discs. These are stuck on the end of a chucked wooden dowel and used with oil.
@DeanDK4 жыл бұрын
That’s very cool, thanks James for sharing you knowledge and experience with me 🙏🏼🙏🏼 really appreciate it man 😁
@PyroFalcon3 ай бұрын
Awesome brother!
@torusbrane56295 жыл бұрын
Since the abrasive is impregnated into the rubber, maybe you can have constant air flowing over the piece (maybe from an air compressor) so that way it can keep the brass dust off the piece. That may account for the extra undesirable abrasion you were getting. Also possibly attaching a guide to your jig would allow the drill press to only go down a certain amount. That way it gives you a repeatable hard stop with each pass. I don’t know how you would do it, or if you even can, maybe a long rod attached to the jig that can hit a non spinning part of the press, but it’s just something I thought of. Those patterns are so cool looking! There was one where you mixed the big and small diameters, and that gave a unique look I’ve never seen on a watch before. This is now my second most watched channel on KZfaq. I have to watch each video now! Great stuff as always.
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Torusbane, some pretty cool ideas. It’s definitely something I’m going to explore more a bit further down the track. 😁
@turlelee20085 жыл бұрын
hi, I am a jeweler, and when I was making my final set, in collage nun of my professors even knew what I was talking abought. however, I finally was able to figure out how to do it with a wooden dowl and some 600 wet&dry Dubbel sided taped to the end and simply spun in my normal 10" drill press. I also found the bust eye-watering holographic look, was when I only made an overlap of 50%.
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Nice Marcus, that's sooo cool to hear. I think 50% overlap looks the best too! that awesome you did it with wet and dry too 👍
@fabriziodutto75084 жыл бұрын
Very well done! Maybe the metal powder can alter the results, you could try to blow out the metal powder between steps.
@DeanDK4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion, will keep this in mind for the next time I try this out, hopefully very soon. 😃
@ActiveAtom5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dean, all well said and we are happy to come along while you get this process refined and these processes of finishes honed in on. Thank you for the share. that was a fun experiment on those brass blanks, we think you are doing great here. Lance & Patrick.
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys!
@readrepairs Жыл бұрын
Great video. Love this experimental approach.
@Vinlaell7 ай бұрын
I think it would it be cool if you polished same rate whether you're doing the outside or the inside, causing the ones near the center to be more tightly packed I think that would give a pretty cool looking illusion that you're looking down a tunnel
@OldSkoolF3 жыл бұрын
Very Nice job... I will be following your lead!
@DeanDK3 жыл бұрын
cheers man! God speed! Wish you all the success 😁
@JanBinnendijk5 жыл бұрын
I like the setup with the pin and the brass "collar" i suggest trying different diameters of the polisher, and different patterns as well.. like going outwards from the center.. I made a "dedicated dril press " for a Proxxon motor with a Proxxon cross-slide, and that suits me well..
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man I will definitely start mixing it up with the different diameters. Yeah that sounds like the best way to do it :D
@WatchRepairChannel5 жыл бұрын
Looks very nice Dean.
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Mark!
@joytekb Жыл бұрын
Great journey.Lange & Sohne use pedal instead of lever .
@theselectiveluddite3 жыл бұрын
Nice; I can identify with the mind set of wanting to make every action the best you've ever done, and then the next one, and so on :)
@lindboknifeandtool Жыл бұрын
Amazing reference, thank you so much
@DeanDK Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@JP-ik3hr5 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff mate. Great seeing you learn and progress.
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike!
@boydsargeant7496 Жыл бұрын
Well done, good try, thanks for sharing!
@tinker53495 жыл бұрын
Hi Dean, very interesting, you may be refering to what is known as the feel. How it feels when you use it, now your bench drill only has a certain amount of feel and you may get a better finish with a sensitive drilling attachement. I wonder if it would help you if you had a horizontal division plate to consistently turn the wheel - disk a set amount around the circomference of the wheel - disk. Your perlage looks good for a first attempt and will certainly get better the more you use the method, hope this makes sense, please excuse any typing errors :-)
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Hi Tinker, yes I think I need something a little more sensitive and more speeeeeeeeed! I want to practice and be able to make the division consistent throughout the piece all by hand. So I will practice a lot more, haha. Thank you always providing great advice 😀
@Kolmord5 жыл бұрын
Looks really good, great video! 😀👍
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Kolmord :D
@JeePeeEs Жыл бұрын
yo this was a really great video man!… i bet you’ll make great things in the future
@InfiniteCraftsman5 жыл бұрын
I don’t know how fast your lathe spins but you could use that and make a jig for the tail stock.
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
My lathe maxs out around 4000 rpm. I just try to avoid making dust in the lathe if it can avoided. Im super paranoid.
@almaznyshan3 жыл бұрын
Try these: 1.Lower mill speed to minimum; rub wax on the workpiece; apply linear, not circular. And make another video again if you get better results :)
@stefankeet5 жыл бұрын
If you need information for different finishing you are welcome if you have questions. (If you look on Instagram "Ketelaars Watches" you can see some examples of finishes I applied)
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stefan, whoa you doing some awesome stuff. :D
@LambertZero4 жыл бұрын
You could try finer abrasives. Finer scratches make it almost into a hologram type effect. It's like giving the surface some depth. Quite spellbinding to look at.
@DeanDK4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, I will definitely try it
@LambertZero4 жыл бұрын
@@DeanDK There's a catch, of course. :-) After you've done that, you can't use any abrasives to clean the surface from dirt or to remove any future scratches. Because that'll take the hologram effect right off.
@johnvaluk14015 жыл бұрын
Another fine video. Some sort of rotary table to control the indexing and hot lapidary wax, superglue or even loctite to secure the work pice to to hold it better and control. Keep it up
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and the advice John, plenty more practice to come!
@dutchdenson81564 жыл бұрын
I wonder if a pitch block would work to secure the work piece.
@haruruben5 жыл бұрын
looks nice, good job! and that's just your first try, I wonder what you'll come up with after some more practice. Good luck! thanks for making these videos!
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, practice makes perfect!!
@robertculliver91205 жыл бұрын
If you use Sharpie or Daikin on the piece to begin with it helps with your layout and we'll give you a nice contrast as you work
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks thats a good idea Robert
@Likeaudio3 жыл бұрын
Well done. This was helpful.
@marcn875011 ай бұрын
Well done and thanks for sharing. What do you use for satin finish on stainless steel cases? Thanks
@newbernwatchmaker36045 жыл бұрын
I think I prefer the concentric pattern over a spiral; it looks like the Spirit of Saint Louis!
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man meeee too!
@dutchdenson81564 жыл бұрын
In the movie with Jimmie Stewart I remember them doing the scowling on the Spirit of St Louis on a drill press with a wire cup brush. Now I need to watch the movie again.
@tassiespirit5 жыл бұрын
Great video yet again. Can you give us an show and tell about your lathes please, as I notice you have at least three; Cowell, Myford and Hercus? How and why you use them. :)
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tassie, hmm that is something I will do later this month I think. Unfortunately I have sold the two Myfords I had before the move.
@DavidM20024 жыл бұрын
At 4:10 you talk about pumice paste. Google "Clover lapping compound". It comes in many grits. It is also pretty expensive and messy but worth exploring. Even toothpaste is a very fine grit and that will only cost you a walk down the hall to the bathroom. You can buy 3oz tubes of valve grinding and lapping compound online for about $5 and that should be more than enough for an experiment with different grits and much cheaper to experiment with than Clover.
@DeanDK4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and making the great suggestions for my next experiments with perlage. 😁
@EmmaRitson5 жыл бұрын
a straight line pattern might be a better way to get results? finishing parts is something that takes a life time to master.
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Emma, I won't waste a minute in not trying to perfect it :D
@InfiniteCraftsman5 жыл бұрын
I laughed a little too hard at the uncle comment🤣
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks man
@TheOpera4ever3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video very helpful, beside the tips for the finish what type of holder you are using to hold it in place I’m talking about the one that attach to your drill . Thank you
@DeanDK3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! These can be purchased with the polishing rods. It's the manufacturers collet holder, with straight shank.
@ChoocherFronz5 жыл бұрын
Great job! Perhaps a light smear of silicone grease could tone things down a bit?
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
hmm interesting I may give it go next time
@EricMichalsen5 жыл бұрын
great job!
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
thanks Eric :D
@jilted17855 жыл бұрын
It's aces mate
@DeanDK4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jill 🙏🏼😁😁
@kazsmith84225 жыл бұрын
Well done Dean 👍
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kaz
@kolya18034 жыл бұрын
Great videos. Are these 1mm pin polishers? Which pin polisher grit did you end up liking the most? Thank you for making these videos.
@SnowmansApartment5 жыл бұрын
i don‘t think it matters if you push hard or soft on the result, but if you use the same pressure everywhere or rather, how far you drill into the object. If you drill the same distance with all points, you will get a perfect result. Those points that are drilled especially deep will show as circles, as the next drill doesn‘t touch the materiel in the deeper circle, right?
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
hmmm yeah, I think you nailed it right on the money there Snowman! Thanks man :D
@SnowmansApartment5 жыл бұрын
Dean DK I actually also want to think about stuff like that soon. I personally don‘t really like patterns like that to be honest. It might take a few years maybe, but if i find something awesome, and think about it, i‘ll let you know haha
@duc696monster62 жыл бұрын
So what color did you go for and what diameter?
@SighsInternally4 жыл бұрын
What grit did you use
@Anatheme-2 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me what bits you're using for this?
@Goldsmithgod5 жыл бұрын
Could you not do it in the lathe with an indexing attachment? And you could set your depth/pressure exact that way?
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
You could but I think the setup will take so much longer. Several hours of practice and one could do it really well by hand 🤚 also with one hand on the material and the other on the lever you have two feedback receptors feeling the work you’re producing.
@horlogemaker-antwerpen5 жыл бұрын
I hope the next episode is you doing geneva striping 😊.. I've been experimenting a bit but without great success
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Haha, unfortunately, I don't wish to do geneva striping on this watch. But in the future its definitely on the books, or someone may even do a video on it before me. Keep going with your experiments!
@ontheotherhand64905 жыл бұрын
You can get this effect with a mill by just changing the spindle speed and feed mate
@horlogemaker-antwerpen5 жыл бұрын
@@ontheotherhand6490 thx!
@bradmoore46345 жыл бұрын
Hey Dean, thanks for the great videos. I really enjoy your videos because the only other source for this information are dusty old books, written in old english that no one understands. Are you using any specific type of brass? I know they have various compositions and I didn't know if you chose a specific variation for certain characteristics. Where do you source the brass from? Thanks again.
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Hi Brad, thanks for your comment 😁👍🏼 for machining the watch plates I use C385 brass, or engravers brass. I’m not sure what these brass blanks are, I assume they are engravers brass as I bought them from a jewellery supply house, these are for engraving practice. Thanks for the compliment 😁😁🙏🏼
@bradmoore46345 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the reply! I'll be watching you kick some brass ass!
@bradmoore46345 жыл бұрын
Hi Dean, I stumbled upon this discussion on brass. Perhaps it's worth playing around with different grades for ease of watch making: mb.nawcc.org/threads/brass-grades.35821/
@ontheotherhand64905 жыл бұрын
Am I right in saying perlage is also used to capture the small particles of metal and keep them away from the movement?
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
🤔 hmmm not too sure what you mean. I am lead to believe that Watch finishing is only visual and has no technical value
@dutchdenson81564 жыл бұрын
This same process is used on firearms and known as " jeweling" and not only is it for appearance but the tiny grooves provide an area for lubricant. Combined with the retained film of lubricant the surface contact between moving surfaces is reduced thus providing a more friction free moving part. At least that's the theory espoused by the old Gunsmiths.
@barrycreed66575 жыл бұрын
Check out Memoria Tecnica based in Seattle.
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha yes, I made a video about a while back, they do some awesome engine turning and the automata repairs Nico is a master at her crafts
@user-ww8fr5wf4n5 жыл бұрын
👍
@Kairosdex5 жыл бұрын
Dang it looks surpsingly sexy. Where do you get these circular blocks of brass? I really wanna give this a try (I don't own any of the tools you have though so i'm gonna do it super hardcore manually with a pen or something with sandpaper wrapped round the end).
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
I think it will work using your method too Herb. I bought these from a jewellery tool supplier. I believe they are for practicing engraving.
@toraodlaw73905 жыл бұрын
what is the thickness of the brass pin ?
@DeanDK4 жыл бұрын
I think they were around 2-3mm
@ruannaude40865 жыл бұрын
What year are you in with the BHI? I’m writing my Unit D1 Theoretical test tommorow, any tips?
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ryan, sorry I couldn’t get back to you. The weekends I try to spend as much time with family.. I hope you went well in your theory exam, I was going to say make sure you understand and can draw escapement action and all the stages. It’s been a few years since I sat the D1 exam. That’s the main thing I remember
@nhanprogaming99875 жыл бұрын
did u or did u not make the sping ur self ?
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
I am modifying an existing movement. Swiss made ETA 6498. This is the first watch I want to make. As I can progress my experience, skills, tools I want to make all the parts of the watch.
@campbellmorrison85405 жыл бұрын
Neat tool but doesn't this need to be done in an indexer? The slightest difference in centers I think shows in the reflections
@DeanDK5 жыл бұрын
Hi Campbell, I don't think it needs to be on indexer, the eye is perfect for the job, and a lot quicker. A bit of time investment in practice will pay off in the long run!
@yt662285 жыл бұрын
You can fix anything with tape, and if you cant you are not using enough tape!