Dear Shelbizleee...

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We need to talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly about having KZfaq’s top sustainability influencer being sponsored by the flexible plastics association, and I have a lot to say about it. Take a seat and grab your mop because I’m spilling all the tea about this situation as well as environmentalist activism and shady KZfaqr stuff. Watch with the live chat (button in upper right corner on desktop) for more insights. ‪@Shelbizleee‬ #greenwashing
This is a RESPECTFUL FRIENDLY CONVERSATION so please don’t send Shelbi any hate.
Follow the money! Increase your media literacy skills (this is a resource for teachers, but it is good for self-study as well): cor.stanford.edu/
Exhibit A: Shelbi’s Flexible Plastic Association-sponsored video: • why the zero waste mov...
Exhibit B: Shelbi’s Flexible Plastic Association Instagram post: / cqyemuft8-j
Exhibit C: Shelbi’s response livestream: • the zero waste movemen...
The one “study” that Shelbi referenced: www.bpf.co.uk/packaging/envir...
00:00 Intro
01:29 We are all friends here
03:14 The good
14:38 The bad
20:16 The ugly
27:17 “I’m not an activist” and finding your why
32:16 Shady KZfaqr stuff
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@victoriam9242 3 жыл бұрын

I’m glad I’m not the only one that was confused and frustrated by her video. Thank you for this!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was hard to tell when critical comments were deleted so all that was left were mostly positive comments. :(

@krisztina47 2 жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin In addition to that she makes that action of hers deleting negative comments as her personal protection due to people unreasonably attacking her and that causes her anxiety. This is when money becomes more important .... But then the entire purpose of her movement of looking after the Planet becomes pointless and fake..

@laurawaldvogel3827 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@CocoShin 2 жыл бұрын

That’s a really good point!

@LennyKJ1 3 жыл бұрын

I'm enjoying your message. There are options and I think we should opt to reduce petroleum based plastics as much as possible and at the same time invest in recycling infrastructure because we are growing as a population of users. Let's keep making the best choices we can for our circumstances and let conscience be part of that!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I don't think that plastic packaging is going anywhere soon and so we definitely still need to have recycling centers that can process all of our waste. Good point!

@landmarkpizza31 2 жыл бұрын

I subed instantly. I agree with all of the points you made in the video! I've watched Shelbi soo much and she's influenced me soo much on my own journey. I really hope shelbi opens up the convo and allows for a 2 way conversation. Props for holding her accountable. I hope more people see this one!

@CocoShin Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I doubt that will happen at this point. I haven't watched any of Shelbi's content since I made this video, but hopefully she learned a lot from this experience and she won't partner with fossil fuel/plastic companies in the future.

@richards5110 2 жыл бұрын

Your point about the "green energy" angle: While it's obviously critical to switch to sustainable energy production, also increasing efficiency is still in our best interest. Doing so reduces the amount of supporting infrastructure we need (fewer wind turbines needed for example) and the stresses put on that infrastructure are lessened. For instance, a compostable version of these flexible packages could reduce the strain on transportation networks by reducing the number of vehicles needed to move goods, and by also reducing the amount of energy they need to run, besides human factors like reducing the weight handled by employees, etc. If we have inefficient systems run by "clean" energy, we will be wasting time and resources maintaining those extra windmills, fixing roads that are more heavily traveled, and so on. Regardless if the energy is "clean".

@CocoShin 2 жыл бұрын

So you are saying we should focus on efficiency as we transition to more clean energy sources? Agreed!

@sleepyntired_ Жыл бұрын

I’m just learning about this a year later. Did she ever address this? I love her content, though I don’t think I saw this video.

@ariilynton-smith1256 2 жыл бұрын

i really enjoyed this video. thank you for sharing your perspective. I definitely have had some quips with some of her content but don’t know of that many alternatives. i’m glad to hear someone modeling how to hold community members accountable over this weird ass medium called the internet ❤️

@CocoShin 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this kind comment! I don't like being negative in this space because we all need all the support we can get, but to this day, this brand deal bothers me a lot. Here's to finding more eco-friendly alternatives to flexible plastic packaging that don't come from the fossil fuel industry!

@ChewonThat 3 жыл бұрын

I don't watch all her content, therefore had no idea about this partnership and...dang that's sad 😖Something I've always appreciated about you, Coco, is that you embody nuance while also taking a hard stance on issues such as the fossil fuel industry. As far as we're concerned, I think the climate movement needs to say, yes, we are a part of this system with a heavy reliance on fossil fuels, therefore we must partake in their use to some degree (i.e. transportation of ourselves and products we use, heating our households, etc.). However, I think it's absolutely essential for us as a society to move away from fossil fuels toward renewables and biodegradable/compostable packaging without exception. I just think there's a new emphasis in the "sustainable movement" on what the individual can NOT do, but if that's the case, then why is a plastics company paying (probably a lot) of money to a sustainable creator to convince people that plastics are okay?? This is such a great video from you, and I really appreciate how thorough you are, especially in addressing media literacy. Many people don't know, it is essential to research WHO funded the study!! I just really appreciate you holding her accountable and talking about this not in a way to cancel anyone, but in a way to hold the movement itself accountable.👏🙌 This makes me even more excited to participate in #lettersforchange!!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this thoughtful (as always) comment, Susie! You're right about accountability being important here. For everyone: manufacturers, researchers, influencers, etc. That's so cool you're doing #lettersforchange! Have you written any letters yet?

@ChewonThat 3 жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin Not yet! But I'm holding myself accountable, and even plan to talk a little about it in my next video (if I ever get around to filming it😅)

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChewonThat looking forward to seeing it!

@blondnbaked5865 3 жыл бұрын

New to the movement here and I hear so many different things. Is it true that plastic can only be recycled so many times? And if so, would recycled plastic fall under that category as well?

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

My understanding is that all plastic is recyclable, but only a few times. It often gets down cycled into lower quality products (like shopping bags). That's why it's so important to reduce the amount of Plastic that comes across your way as much as possible.

@tainoaquarian8320 Жыл бұрын

I love Shelbizleee AND I luv this. Thought same upon seeing it. The demand MUUUST be on advancing compostable/ lined etc., packaging technology: we are Out of Time & can accept NOthing Less!!!!!

@CocoShin Жыл бұрын

I totally agree!

@kel.sharpe 3 ай бұрын

Well at least I'm seeing this now, I really appreciate the points you brought up! I only just started watching her channel within the past year or so, but even then, some of the things she says left me like 🤔 But as you said, we're always learning and we're learning from each other - so I just hope this is a learning moment! To add on to this, when you mentioned your comment being deleted, even after she stated that she wanted the convo to continue in the comments, I have witnessed this first hand from sooo many big KZfaqrs - e.g. (no hate to this creator, I really enjoy his content) but Jarvis Johnson had a sponsored post from this 'orbeez' type water gun brand, and he never mentioned anything about the waste, so I made a comment along with a few others, and when I checked back a few days later... the comments were all gone! Its very sad how people will choose to turn a blind eye for some cash and clout.

@jilenejensen1539 8 ай бұрын

I remember this video and of course I started spouting out the facts about plastic being more sustainable than what was thought. I didn’t realize that I was being greenwashed and a sustainable KZfaqr at the time.

@starylize Жыл бұрын

something else i noticed about shelbi’s content is that she takes sponsorships from amazon and amazon-affiliated companies :/

@odalyshernandez5626 3 жыл бұрын

I also thought the title was very misleading…I think she titled it this way based on algorithm? As for the constant glass example I think she used it because it’s the most common sustainable item people use.. I had conflicting feelings watching the video too. What didn’t sit home with me is like you mentioned, she knows how bad plastic is hurting our environment regardless if it’s virgin or recycled plastic but she chose to be sponsored by a brand that promotes plastic use…

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, especially virgin plastic use. I didn't see any recycled plastic on the perfect packaging IG account. I think recycled plastic is okay because it doesn't benefit the fossil fuel industry as much (I think there still needs to be some virgin plastic mixed in with recycled plastic to make it usable) and it turns the plastic waste into a valuable resource, keeping it out of our natural environments. And yes, I am sure the title and thumbnail were for the algorithm and clicks, but that's why it was shady. The majority of the video wasn't about the thumbnail and title, so it was kind of a bait and switch.

@elenakalliste Жыл бұрын

Very weird watching this is Jan 2023, thinking it was a new video, because Shelbi just made another video about flexible plastic packaging being one of/the best options for packaging. Interesting 🤔.

@CocoShin Жыл бұрын

Damn, that is a weird thing to double down on.

@elenakalliste Жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin very weird. The two videos must have been extremely similar

@rh7968 3 жыл бұрын

most things outside of the( medical ) that you find in supermarkets and convenience stores are luxury items, its a Want not a need and the 1st rule is Refuse. You dont need cheeto puffs to sustain yourself or coca-cola, ect. That is a choice and you have to remember there is no "away" when it comes to trash. We dont even have our current recycling under control in the US why is she encouraging diverting resources/money to flex recycling, instead of fixing what we already have. "well glass... breaks" just irked me c'mon

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, there are some things we can't avoid and some things we can. We are intentionally being deceived all the time to go buy whatever will make certain people money. Shelbi's video was just a case in point. The messaging is so insidious and now I'm even seeing other eco content creators echoing the messages in her video, even though they aren't being paid!

@tainoaquarian8320 Жыл бұрын

I’m really sad to learn that the practice of deleting comments is occurring (if/ where they are not harassing in any way, but asking some important questions that many others Will have), because she is an excellent educator who is up for it, & the ideal one to do so. I did just comment on a video I really liked today, about Lomi & hope it will remain up/ 🤞🏽responded to. It’s marvelous technology, but I beg to differ on being $5-600 technology… while also being called accessible. For those engaged individuals passionate about doing their part for a more sustainable Mother Earth 🌎but living in apartments (1 indicator of low/ limited income)~ Lomi may be the only way to compost, & absolute best (fun even!) way. But… albeit a kick in the gut; to become inspired & enthusiastic, & then learn the price- makes it 1 more thing you’ll Nvr ‘get to have. That’s how the community too often gets a badge of “entitled”, “for the white.. rich..”. It can be the complete opposite as I’m aware (been practicing ‘poor ACTivism’ my whole life). And this isn’t to reflect on Lomi or Pela of course but Must be the next step to act on to give the product the life it’s potential & purpose was created to carry(?). I likened it to her beautiful impact twds Native brand, to demand for incorporating responsible packaging (if they were in fact promoting ’green..’). So many opportunities for (late) advancement in hopes to heal mistakes~ & Can Happen, so long as conversations keep taking place, in position to improve by those of us most passionate(ly coming together).

@BronsteinEmily Жыл бұрын

She or someone who works for her is still deleting comments if they disagree or criticize her content.

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

Paper and metal are such amazing resources! Metal is infinitely recycled, it can still be lightweight, and it’s recycling is very valuable. And better than plastic 🤷🏼‍♀️

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's also heavier than plastic and the raw materials are less abundant that fossil fuels, so there's also that. I think that reusing is going to be important for metal containers. Just like our grandmas did. #cookietinsewingboxes

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin that's true. reusing is def the way to go!

@sustainableteacheryt 3 жыл бұрын

That’s so difficult to say. It depends on that terms are you talking about. Resources, energy, pollution while being made, pollution after disposing it… and at least in Spain recycling rates are really low… but in general terms anything is better than plastic (except hybrid plastic-paper materials, that’s worse!)

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

@@sustainableteacheryt so true!

@sustainableteacheryt 3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow I don’t know what to think… I really like Shelby content… but maybe you are right about this videos and the sponsors… let’s see how this turns out!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

I know, it's very confusing and a bit disheartening. 😔

@CarlinaSunshine Жыл бұрын

I just shared your video. Thanks for posting this. It’s super disappointing and shady that she chose to do this. I’m a little sad that she is the biggest sustainability creator on the platform. I guess I’ll have to support smaller creators for now on. 😢 I really liked her videos, but this along with other things she has done has really put a sour taste in my mouth. And did she ever respond to this video?

@gingerjessietalks7685 9 ай бұрын

What else has she done? (Genuinely asking bc I don't know and I'm disappointed 😭)

@nuckfuts4866 Жыл бұрын

When I started becoming more eco friendly, I loved her content… but losing interest in influencers I realized how wishy washy and unattainable her lifestyle was for average people… I think her heart is in the right place but her influencer image is taking over.

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

Her ranking videos, I didn’t even think about that! I wonder where she’d rank this brand deal…

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

LOL I'm thinking more like disclosing how much she makes from the channel, donating funds, (like Levi Hildebrand does) giving herself an audit of what videos did well and which didn't, how much was consumerism based and how much was activism based, etc. It's a high bar, but like I said, she audits other brands, why not herself?

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin that would be nice! exactly!

@ariilynton-smith1256 2 жыл бұрын

lmaooo

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

Wow so true! I didn’t even catch some of the falling back on opinions and we can all change opinions but it’s so weird in this case. Vegan leather can be used for years but flexible plastics can’t!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, honestly I would be surprised if she made that specific connection.

@ClaudiaOfTheWorld Жыл бұрын

15:38 as a home composter (bokashi hot compost and vermiculture) I hate these “home compostable” options. From my own research, which could admittedly be flawed, there is no way to quantify the amount of micro plastic pollution produced when these degrade in a home composting situation. They could even be worse than recycling if people “compost” them improperly, as the companies aren’t listing the methods which are suitable. From what I’ve read it is often safer to send products like these to industrial composting facilities. Just because something says it’s home compostable it does not mean it is better for the environment, I don’t know any serious home composters who would put this stuff in their pile.

@CocoShin Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this insight! I’m not so sure about the chemical composition of these products and if they are actually identical to plastic. I would imagine they are different since plastic is not compostable. Definitely something to look into a bit deeper though!

@Shadez5915 9 ай бұрын

The comment that subscribers are also responsible for content they consume and request at the end of this was awesome.

@CriticalHealingMoment 3 жыл бұрын

I recently got into watching Shelbi and more into sustainability. In terms of "social activism" sustainability and climate science is totally not in my wheelhouse but I do believe that it all goes hand in hand with ending oppression and violence towards all forms of life. I do learn a lot from her channel and see her as an "expert" in an area where I don't have the knowledge of the area to know how to question it, so I appreciate you bringing nuance to the conversation. I'm still taking in all the info... and I am curious as to what her reasoning why taking that sponsorship was acceptable given what she's said about sponsors in the past. Personally, I am by no means adhering to a zero-waste life but I try to be conscious of my decisions and just generally buy less and buy less new. But sometimes I do have to use flexible packaging and I do feel less bad about the minimal quantity I try to consume because of her video.

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

You can definitely learn a lot from Shelbi's channel. It's just really important to keep in mind that you don't have to take everything she says at face value.

@KellyS_77 3 жыл бұрын

There’s a world of difference between buying something in plastic because you have no choice and in promoting plastic as a better zero waste alternative to glass, metal, or cardboard.

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

How are you 34?? 🤯 First off, this makes me really happy because I feel like it’s only 20 somethings in this community so it’s super cool to see people of all ages. And I feel you, my nieces are 2 and 4 and it breaks my heart to think about the world they will have when they’re 20 or 30.

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Lol yeah, sometimes I feel hesitant to talk about it because I am afraid of discrimination, but also I know that representation is important and there are tons of 30-somethings that are also into sustainability.

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin i think it's awesome!

@KellyS_77 3 жыл бұрын

I’m not a youtuber, but I’m 44 years old. Some of us have been trying to save the environment for a looong time lol.

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

@@KellyS_77 I love that so much!!!!

@LennyKJ1 3 жыл бұрын

@@KellyS_77 I'm 49 this month. Let's begin our own channel 😉💚

@jeannettelee2806 7 ай бұрын

All influencers are like politicians when companies start to pay them, they become talking puppets for corporations. End of story.

@ariilynton-smith1256 2 жыл бұрын

i hadn’t seen the other videos before my first comment: after watching them i definitely agree with the confusion!

@kalliemj 7 ай бұрын

I really like shelbie so I clicked on this video knowing I wasn’t going to be happy about what you had to say. That being SAIC I think you very respectfully laid out your arguments for why you think this video had its faults and I do think you have a point. It is clear that big plastic is behind those studies and for a good reason, it really found in favor of their product. So who knows how much we can trust. That being said when I watched that video I remember looking up the sponsor and if I remember correctly they do a lot of studies on the plastic at the beginning of its life which is one area I don’t know much about. I recall looking at a comparison guide for cat litter and it showed the thin plastic as utilizing less resources than the cardboard box packaging which made me feel a little relieved because I had just switched my cats from a clay litter to a walnut shell litter as I wanted to start composting their waste and there was only one brand on the market for compostable materials that was in cardboard and they were much more expensive. It did make me feel like I wasn’t s horrible person for choosing the plastic packaging to save money as it was already double what I was previously paying. I do think that the video did have the effect where you do start to feel more comfortable with plastic but I don’t think that’s the first time she has mentioned that plastic isn’t as bad when you look at it’s start of life cycle. I do think part of the problem with those studies is that they show how much water is used to make something and I feel like the water they are accounting for in the cardboard also includes the water the tree needed to survive but a lot of that water does come from rain and we do need trees so I’d really like to just see what’s used after the tree is cut down to get a fair comparison. When I watched that video I didn’t really feel like it wasn’t her thoughts and feelings being portrayed but I do see your point about how it does make plastic seem like a more acceptable product because that was definitely my take by the end. That being said I do still think plastic should be avoided as much as possible but it did make me feel like in the instances where I absolutely cannot avoid it, it maybe isn’t the worst thing in the entire world. But I really think a study to show what happens after the consumer is done using the product would be useful. How long does the plastic stay on this earth, can it be recycled, what can it be remade into, if it stays in the landfill what negative impact does it have on our earth. What’s the afterlife cycle of the alternative, how many resources does it take to remake it into another product (does it take just as many resources to create that cardboard litter box with recycled cardboard as it does virgin cardboard)? I’d just like more information to really determine what is the best package out there because it’s really unclear. I’d also really like to know what the packaging is that bulk grocery items come in because we see it without packaging but there is packaging behind closed doors that we are completely unaware of. I’d also like an analysis of the resources to pick up an item in store vs to have it shipped directly to your home. Which is better ? I saw a video of hers earlier today ask this question and she said we really can’t be sure so I’d love more direct information on this. I wish more companies were transparent because this stuff is important and it’s too hard for the average consumer to figure out

@blondnbaked5865 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have a video or will you make a video about your life journey? I'm just so curious because you said you spent your whole 20's in a struggle and just in the mindset of survival and really just now, at 34, were able to have some stability. And then not even 5 minutes later say you lived in so cal, philly, studied yoga in India.. and had the privilege to live in and visit so many different countries... How? lol

@blondnbaked5865 3 жыл бұрын

Also, not coming off as bitchy. Just genuinely curious, because I'm currently 22 and struggling. And traveling the world, soaking up cultures has always been a huge dream of mine. And I feel as if I won't ever even be able to make it out of the country. Just looking for advice!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Lol I would love to do it if my audience is interested. I know that sharing stories like mine can help others cope and find hope in their situations. Right now, the focus is on vegan food, sustainability, and self care, but if my viewers develop an interest in me as a person, that video could make sense. It is also a surprise to me that I have gotten to travel so much. When I was 22 I was working three jobs to make ends meet and thought I would spend the rest of my life in Los Angeles (where I'm from) or maybe just spend a little time in Korea (where my dad was living). Life always has plans for you. You just have to be ready to take opportunities as they come. Have your passport standing by and look into opportunities to work or volunteer and travel. The number one thing that helped me on my journey, however, was learning and practicing vipassana meditation. The courses are donation based only, and you can even volunteer at the center after your first course to give back. The courses take place all over the world and you can find them on dhamma.org. Don't be a stranger on this channel! I would love to hear more from you!

@s.ryanoconnor6694 3 жыл бұрын

I’m glad someone is holding shelbizlee accountable for her actions. Well done 🙌🏽

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! I hope that my viewers also hold me accountable when the time comes.

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

i'm glad i'm not alone in these thoughts!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist same here

@uslee19 Жыл бұрын

She probably made enough by collaborating with the plastic industry to pay in full for her downtown house in Austin. She collaborated with the antiChrist Gates on his joke book on climate change. She sells out for money.

@makaylamelendez2393 Жыл бұрын

Rest on truth for authority, not on authority for truth. - Lucretia Mott, abolitionist

@Noochbaby 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Coco! No hate for Shelbi. Just room for discourse and critique in an insanely complicated world. For me, this video was not a good look but there’s always room for improvement.

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU so much for participating in the live chat with me! It's so important that we have these conversations together. I don't know if Shelbi will watch this video, but I hope she keeps some of the feedback in mind for future projects.

@KellyS_77 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I thought I was going crazy too with wondering why she was making that particular video. Then I *finally* got to the sponsorship disclosure at the end and it all be came crystal clear. The title and content of her video makes it seem as though she’s saying “Zero waste isn’t the solution, virgin flexible plastic IS”. She completely glosses over the end of life problems for plastics (microplastic and the ocean) and that to me seems the very biggest reason to avoid plastic. I cringe at the idea that there may now be a bunch of impressionable teenagers and 20-somethings thinking that virgin single use plastic is the best way to save the planet. Im too old for “cancel culture” but I did unsubscribe from her channels. I hope they paid her very well to sell her soul and potentially the future of her channel (and other social media).

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, this! You too the words right out of my mouth. I wish I could say I'm glad I'm not the only one whose head was spinning, but I wish we didn't have to have this conversation in the first place.

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

The part about vegan leather 🤯 they can be used for YEARS but most thing plastics can’t even be reused once

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Right! I also wanted to make that point but I forgot. #sleepdeprived

@louiseerbslisbjerg7854 2 жыл бұрын

It depends on how much it's worn. I've stopped used using it. MOST of it is made from pilymer's and it breaks the surface in no time shredding microplastics every day, where ever you go around. It really is a shitty material if you'r someone who's active and dont own 10 pairs of shoes or boots. As someoneliving in a colder climate it's useless. Using textile or second hand leather will last you.

@laurabittner8828 Жыл бұрын

I really don't think the "bioplastics" are harm free. I've seen information online that it actually does pollute the soil, so it's better to put it in the landfill if you wind up with it. It's the same for the chemicals in "compostable" paper cups

@laurabittner8828 Жыл бұрын

Also I've been watching shelbizzles videos for years, and it's not hard to see she's still really into being a consumer

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

What scares me about this video is that people who aren’t subed to her don’t watch the whole thing and therefore only get the message that plastic is good and 🥲

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I am very concerned about the ripple effects of this piece of content because people take information like that and RUN with it.

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin EXACTLY!

@ChewonThat 3 жыл бұрын

So true!!😭

@BronsteinEmily 2 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to ethically promote brands as a Sustainability KZfaqr? It seems like that is a big conflict of interest. Even if the brands you're promoting are sustainable brands, being paid to promote a brand gives the impression real or not of conflict of interest. Is one promoting the brand because they offered you money or because they are the best sustainable option? And when someone watches your videos and buys the product are they purchasing said brands because they really NEED that item or because they want to support your channel, or because they like your aesthetics or aspire to be like you? Purchasing anything new is not as sustainable as buying nothing or buying used. And when more and more of your content is sponsored it seems like your channel is more about consuming than educating. I don't think that is eco minimalism as she calls her channel. How is that minimalism? A lot of her content is about buying something. I see this as an issue not just with Shelbi's channel but other KZfaqrs who focus on sustainability. Is any eco friendly channel going to act differently when presented with promo offers and growing popularity? Who among them will keep their head and be able to separate their mission from their income? Wouldn't most eco KZfaqrs aspire to be like Shelbi? Making a living off of their channel. Growing their channel to be so popular. I see Shelbi's content becoming more and more about products so I recently unsubscribed. It made me feel more anger than good to watch. The plastics episode aside promotions in general can easily cross a line. Maybe there is no line. Maybe it's just not a sustainable thing to do.

@CocoShin 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this very thoughtful comment. Keep an eye out for an upcoming video on this. I’d like to address it long form!

@BronsteinEmily 2 жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin Looking forward to that video.

@Stuffings00 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve had to unsubscribe from those affiliated with the US military(world’s biggest polluter, I believe if we forget the US military as a imperial force) or subletting properties to the degree that they live in places for free without any self awareness about the difference that makes to what is accessible to them vs the viewer. I think making careers as influencers will always be a tricky balance and we viewers are also complicit.

@makaylamelendez2393 Жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin Hey! I’m interested in a video from you about this in long form. Please let me know if you did make one or still plan on making one.

@CocoShin Жыл бұрын

@@makaylamelendez2393 thanks! I’ve been on a little break from content but I will be back soon and I’ll make a video on this. Thanks for the nudge. 😄

@poopyrose8180 Жыл бұрын

I'm glad I watched this

@tiabar2171 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video. Ive been subbed to her for a long time, but after watching this, I'm like, HOW DID I NOT REALIZE THE MESSED UP THINGS SHE SAID IN HER VIDEO, OR rather the video as a whole. It is completely the opposite of what shes supposed to stand for. Thank you 🙏🖤💜🖤💜

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I am also still a bit confused why she did this. There are less damaging ways she could communicate with her audience that the zero waste conversation needs nuance.

@bananamary5907 Жыл бұрын

did she ever address this?

@CocoShin Жыл бұрын

I’ve never gotten a response from her. It’s possible (though unlikely) that she has mentioned things to her audience, but I don’t watch her content anymore so I wouldn’t know.

@kristenirvine5779 3 жыл бұрын

So glad I watched this video! I'm definitely guilty of skimming through a lot of youtube videos, so if I didn't watch your videos I might have believed Shelby's greenwashing. Thanks for taking the time to make this video!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I guess it's just important to remember that we always have to question things for ourselves, even if we hear them from a trustworthy source.

@celiareed1402 2 жыл бұрын

Can you please point out where Shelbizleee announced her sponsorship/partnership. I don’t see it at the last two minutes and her video is too dreadful to watch completely. Also, I thought that affiliations had to be disclosed up front, both verbally and in writing. You don’t discuss this in your video but she is also completely wrong about the philanthropic aspect of this brand. The Inkey List has only stated its ambition to donate 10%. That is not a commitment and I don’t know where she gets her facts from. Thanks so much for your detailed analysis.

@CocoShin 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think it came around the 12:00 minute mark in her video. She probably also disclosed in her description box too. I don't think affiliations have to be disclosed but sponsorships do. For example, if I talk about a brand I am an affiliate of, I don't think I am legally obligated to disclose that I am an affiliate, but if the brand paid me to make the video, I would have to disclose. I didn't know about the philanthropic aspect of the brand, but it makes sense. It's probably similar to how to tobacco industry has to fund anti-smoking campaigns.

@celiareed1402 2 жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin The video sponsored by the Flexible Packaging Association is ‘Why The Zero Waste Movement is NOT a Solution to the Climate Crises. What I don’t understand is why she gives Hyram a pass is her video on his products, but has an entirely different perspective in other videos. Very frustrating.

@NeonCalamity 3 жыл бұрын

I started watching that video and then stopped after like 3 minutes because it felt icky... thanks for eloquently explaining why it seemed icky haha. You are doing a great job here on youtube and I hope you can get some sleep!!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

If you think that was eloquent you should see th raw footage. I was so out of it lol. Anyway, thank you very much for your support. I wasn't sure about making such a critical video because I try to keep my content very positive and uplifting. I am glad it resonated with you though. 💖

@thiroknanic7016 Жыл бұрын

I found Coco!

@lydiaharris911 3 жыл бұрын

I actually had to unfollow shelbizlee because of how consumeristic her channel got. I'm a minimalist zero waster and I noticed myself getting angry watching her videos and that wasn't healthy. Props to you for being able to watch and critique her content professionally. That takes a lot of self control (at least for me).

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I also see the consumerism. I also see it as how she is able to make her content and support a team of four people who work on the channel with her. Generally though, I perfer Immy's from Sustainably Vegan approach. She is getting closer to nature and doesn't seem to talk about products too often. Thank you for the encouragement!

@lydiaharris911 3 жыл бұрын

@@CocoShin yes! I follow Immy and I love what she does with her channel! And Gittemary’s as well! And I just started following you and you seem awesome as well! I guess I love the transparency you were talking about. ❤️

@BronsteinEmily 2 жыл бұрын

Same here

@cactusdot 3 жыл бұрын

I will say, I'm not sure I agree with supporting vegan leather (unless it's from recycled plastic products). From my experience, vegan leather does not hold up as well and the movement often shames indigenous people who sustainably harvest leather (&fur). But other than that, this was a great video! I also thought her video didn't sit right with me, and most of her newer content hasn't either. I feel as if she's more disconnected with her videos now, either doing the same content over and over or, like you mentioned, not doing the due diligence to vet her info. Could be because she's outsourcing research to another team member perhaps? But lately I've definitely felt that the money has become paramount for her content, only recommending products that she receives a kick back for instead of exploring alternatives or providing info that her audience can use to make better decisions that's within their budget/ resources. Thanks for opening a dialoge!!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I have noticed the same pattern with her content as well. It's a tricky balance to hit as a content creator: please the algorithm and give people the content they are searching for, support yourself (and in her case, her team), and create authentic and original content. I guess she has been mostly focused on the first two lately. 😕

@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist 3 жыл бұрын

Those studies WHAT! This is super problematic

@vegemitegirl1971 10 ай бұрын

I unsubscribed from Shelby before the pandemic hit. I felt she was turning into a buying channel and only new was sustainable. I never noticed her take into account that her viewers already owned non-sustainable products before going zero waste. Isn't using pre-existing stuff already better than buying new, no matter what it's made from. Also, every person's situation is different and every country, town and council district is different. I'm in rural Australia. I don't have the privilege of all her nearby zero waste things to buy. Things are trucked or mailed in. Also, as an example, glass jars are not ideal for everyone to drink from. I had kids and now have several grandchildren. No way am I giving them glass to accidentally drop and shatter. I bought 1 plastic sippy cup each and reuse them each visit. When the grandkids have outgrown them I'll pass them on.

@melissam4954 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this video and explaining your points so well. Shelbi's video really made me feel icky, but I couldn't articulate why until the very end when she said it was sponsored.

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yeah, I'm glad I wasn't the only one. I just wish she had been more up front with the sponsorship.

@graciebaker4527 Жыл бұрын

I don't think you actually listened to the points Shelbi made in the video; it seems like you heard the word "plastic" and instantly recoiled from the information she was trying to present. I don't think shelbi is saying that the plastic industry is good (why would she say that? all her other videos go against big plastic companies) but rather that every type of material, including glass and metal, have an environmental impact BEFORE they make it to us, and we shouldn't JUST focus on what happens to the materials after they are purchased. She does say that there needs to be better recycling options for plastic. Again, the point of her video is that not everything is black and white (which you mention!) and so saying "ALL PLASTIC BAD" is actually not that simple

@CocoShin Жыл бұрын

Did you listen to the points I made in my video? I actually watched her video multiple times to make sure of what I was hearing and seeing. She skates over alternatives that are not nearly as polluting such as paper (commonly used as packaging in Germany) and other compostable flexible plastic alternatives. Glass and metal are far from the only alternatives out there. It’s one thing to use plastic in one’s everyday life, even as an environmentalist. It’s another thing to accept money from a plastic lobbyists to talk about the benefits of flexible plastic, which is one of the biggest polluters in the world. This “association” is doing real harm in America by stymieing progress in legislation and convincing consumers their products aren’t that bad, including through partnerships like the one with Shelbi. I was extremely disappointed after watching her content because it was so misleading (for reasons I mentioned in this video) so much that I was compelled to make this video.

@Michelle-bk5uq 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making this video.All points well made.

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for watching. I just wanted to shed some light on the situation because I had a feeling her viewers were not getting the whole story.

@Esther-uo7fs 3 жыл бұрын

Commenting so the algorithm spreads this around!

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙏🙏

@WouldntULikeToKnow. Жыл бұрын

Subscribed!

@elonslootweg4101 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Loads to think about

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes, lots to digest for sure.

@ravenwilson7979 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making this

@CocoShin 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your support!

@clarkkathleenhusband6045 9 ай бұрын

YOU ARE GOING FROM VIDEO TO ANOTHER. PLEASE TELL ME IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR TALK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC VIDEO OF SHELBI....WHICH ONE AND I WILL GO WATCH WATCH FOR CLARIFICATION AND FAIRNESS. ( ALSO YOU DON'T KNOW ME BUT I HAVE MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS...IT GAVE ME OPTIC NEURITIS....VISION ISSUES SO CAPITALS IT IS. NOT YELLING ) WITH RESPECT MAY I ASK YOUR QUALIFICATIONS...EXAMPLES SCHOOL AND COLLEGE EXPERIENCES.... THANK YOU. I KNOW OF SHELBI.... BECAUSE I DID ASK HERS WITH RESPECT. WITH RESPECTFULLY AND BLESSINGS ( SORRY FOR MISSPELLINGS ONE FINGER TEXTING DEXTERITY KATHLEEN