Dear Squat Rack Ecosystems!

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Squat Rack Ecosystems are everywhere, but...I think they could and should be improved...
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Today, I, Coop want to talk with you about squat rack ecosystems. This is a topic that most home gym owners interact with every workout, but isn't discussed a ton within the home gym community.
The Squat Rack Ecosystem is how the rack connects together and how attachments connect and interact with the rack itself.
The current state of the squat rack ecosystems that are available are quite similar. Some holes on tubular steel with bolts and nuts. Some change the diameter of the holes, other change the size of the uprights, but they're all pretty close to one another.
I think there are ways that companies could create better systems for assembly and use that removes friction and makes it quicker and easier to use attachments and train.
Here's my take...
0:00 - Dear Squat Rack Ecosystems!
0:35 - Benefits Of An Ecosystem
3:11 - Squat Rack Ecosystem Overview
5:05 - The State Of Power Rack Ecosystems Today
7:52 - Open Source Vs. A Closed System
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@apeekintime 2 жыл бұрын

This one is just a bad idea. Closed ecosytems work when you can obtain a large enough market share. Apple, for example, has 25% of the market share for mobile operating systems. The market for smartphone users is 6.7 billion people (84% of the world's population). That's a different beast than tying to build a very expensive piece of equipment that only really appeals to home gym owners. Your market is TOO small and your competitors are TOO numerous. How many companies make a 3x3 rack? A dozen? A dozen companies competing for the same small market seems like a good recipe for failure. How many people buy multiple attachments for their rack (excluding J-cups and safeties)? I have a fairly large home gym and a fairly decent income and I have 0 attachments. The only attachment I would really use right now is a dip station but I have a standalone dip station that was cheaper than an attachment. By creating "open source' attachments each manufacturer aims to gain cross sales to buyers of other brands.

@noahkararo 2 жыл бұрын

This...

@jimdarhower4945 2 жыл бұрын

ECOSYSTEM BRO

@jamestonbellajo 2 жыл бұрын

Amen to that. I’ve noticed it’s rare to see someone in the home gym community understand economics but this is spot on. I admire Coop for taking a shot here and I know tech is his second love after gym equipment, but it doesn’t scale well like you said. I know Coop has discussed marrying fitness and tech in a way where it’s accessible and usable by all and this stream of consciousness was a good attempt but it just wouldn’t be viable in practice and any company that would try this outside of Rogue would not survive. The current setups today are expensive enough so a closed system would just add more to the price tag of already expensive equipment. Honestly, the main purpose of a rack is to help people lift stuff (bars, lever arms, etc.) up and down and the current offerings do that now. If Coop had specific examples of what racks currently can’t do right now and how a close system could help with that, I would’ve been more convinced. But the gym equipment market is an enthusiasts’ game similar to things like mechanical keyboards and sneakers. The market is small but it will feel loud if you’re actually a part of part of the community (subreddits, forums, Facebook groups). Most people who buy this stuff just want to be able to bench, squat and maybe do pull ups and dips. Those that want more make up a smaller chunk of the market. At the end of the day, margins for manufacturing and shipping heavy steel are small and the use cases are very limited, especially compared to tech.

@matoflynn 2 жыл бұрын

Apple had 0% of the mobile operating system market share before 2007. Still room for the best of anything to rise to the top, even if premium.

@matoflynn 2 жыл бұрын

@@path4061 If Coop wants ultra premium gym equipment with neat proprietary features I'm for it. Will rock my open source gear until it makes sense to upgrade.

@josephbloxham3992 2 жыл бұрын

Coop: you know what would be great? If there was a wildly overpriced system like apple making squat racks.

@Outland9000 2 жыл бұрын

And any accessories for that squat rack wont work with any other equipment manufacturer.... Oh, and everything and I mean everything is an option extra at significant cost.

@GreatSeany 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Closed system squat racks = $300 j-cups and dip attachments. Nothing wrong with detent pins and 5/8, 3/4, or 1" holes keep it simple.

@malatr Жыл бұрын

Allegiance to a brand does weird shit to a brain.

@BreadAndGatorade 5 ай бұрын

Sorinex exists

@greghill158 2 жыл бұрын

Hard disagree here. The market for a closed system like this would be so tiny that any company that attempted it would go out of business before it took off, unless they had some seriously deep-pocketed investors willing to wait it out. Maybe Tonal could pull it off, make a smart squat rack (I have no idea what that would even mean). Also, Apple products are hugely overpriced precisely because of their closed ecosystem. Fitness equipment is already expensive. Imagine paying double for very minimal improvements and having to rely on a single company to produce all compatible attachments, so if they don't make it, you just can't have it. And Microsoft tried for decades to destroy open source and only recently has done any real open source work, although it's not on anything consumer-related, that stuff is all still proprietary. They do make it easier for 3rd party hardware to be more compatible because they only owned the software side of things for so long, so I guess I see what you're getting at, but as a software dev, hearing Microsoft as a representative of open source make my gears grind.

@stephennolan219 2 жыл бұрын

That part was hilarious - Microsoft's entire deal was being closed-sourced, that's how they took off. Hell, Bill Gates just made sure Oxford's Covid vaccines weren't "open source;" that's how deep seated it is.

@brandonhoover2120 2 жыл бұрын

I am so confused by this. Are we saying each company should do something special so that you can only have what that single company decides to create and at whatever price they pick? That’s ridiculous. If Rogue doesn’t make something, I don’t wanna say well I can’t have it. If ghost has better roller Jcups then anyone, I don’t wanna settle for worse because there’s a closed system. One of the absolute worst ideas I’ve ever heard. It literally make no sense to lock in a home gym community to a specific brand with limited choices.

@Netrool 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@brandonhoover2120 2 жыл бұрын

@@Netrool I cannot believe this is what he means. There’s literally no benefit in having chunks of metal non connectable because who made them. There’s a reason a lot of industries have standards to follow.

@royshambo 2 жыл бұрын

Fan of open source, I can get products from other companies to use on my squat rack that’s either a better price or not offered by the company that makes my rack. For instance I have a X-3 Titan squat stand, that I’m using the monster lite channel plate holders because Titan doesn’t make anything like it that makes the post holders modular

@mylarhyrule904 2 жыл бұрын

The alternative would offer less freedom, but a better experience…. Maybe easier to switch between exercises, Switch weight, or something like that

@reginaldchesterfield8110 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, open source please. These are commodities, not technologically intertwined life that follows us everywhere (cell phones, computers, talking speakers, computer tablets, gps trackers)

@kznsky14 2 жыл бұрын

Coop is dead wrong. The first company that tries to make a closed ecosystem will have to release everything that is already available all at once and at better prices than everyone already in the market. 1 example, Reps spotter arms have been out of stock now for months. No big deal, I paid a little more and bought some from Rogue that work just as well, could have paid a little less and bought Titan. I had options to work around a supply problem. I had $200 to spend and my chosen ecosystem wouldn't let me. It is beyond stupid to lock your customers into proprietary things. Make the ecosystem open and compete on quality and price arguably the 2 biggest names in this space are doing just that, Rogue and Titan. Both are doing just fine. But the openness of this system allows companies like Ghost to come up with the Roller J-Cup. Forcing your customers to do things your way is just a bad way to treat people. How it's worked for Apple this long is beyond me. Everyone else that has tried it has failed, and even Apple has failed at parts of it. AAC encoding and DRM for iPods come to mind..... If a 3x3 rack with 1 inch holes and spacing is strong enough for a man like Coop, it should be strong enough for anyone. We've seen droptest after droptest and the racks survived. Companies I beg you, don't waste time creating an "ecosystem" make the best attachements you can for the 3x3 racks with 1" and 5/8" holes and you'll be set.

@salama13guate 2 жыл бұрын

“Strong enough for a man like coup” oooofff lol.

@iamfuckingyourwaifuandther2743 2 жыл бұрын

I think coop plans to close all the middle class home gym buyers out of the market, so he can have all the new gym equipment in his warehouse, and rent it out to people instead.

@girlsdrinkfeck 2 жыл бұрын

apple was the worst example too,apples ecossytem sucks

@iamfuckingyourwaifuandther2743 2 жыл бұрын

@@girlsdrinkfeck Apples electronics are good, but their OS is GARBAGE

@hitleractually8180 2 жыл бұрын

@@girlsdrinkfeck I recently switched from Windows/Android to Mac and the ecosystem destroys ANYTHING outside of Apple. Everything works seamlessly. I love it!

@stovesofa 2 жыл бұрын

I haven’t disagreed with you this much since that one time you suggested companies make the “unboxing experience” more boujee😂 If each company could have more quality products with refined features that are maximally optimal, then that would be great. But I don’t think a closed ecosystem would be the right way to achieve that. What do I think WOULD be the best route to do that? Idk. But I do appreciate that you’re willing to spitball ideas and put yourself out there. I guess you could say brainstorming is the ecosystem for solutions to emerge🤯

@Plasticite 2 жыл бұрын

So glad to see coop making videos telling companies how to screw over consumers.

@DavidLee-cw6ci 2 жыл бұрын

I'm starting to wonder if some dumb company is developing this and he's been sent out to get the idea into people's heads.

@Weakeyedominant Жыл бұрын

I'm sure Rogue and REP would love to create a closed eco system to force consumers to only use their attachments but they would immediately lose market share. They are better just going down the superior quality and customer service route. When it comes to commercial gyms I'm sure they have ways of tying them into only using their products through special discounts and financing options. Most garage gym owners tend to be tight asses and will shop around for the cheapest attachment that is safe to use.

@thepastrecedes1635 2 жыл бұрын

7:52 "Open source is like Microsoft" U wot m8, this is very incorrect.

@BasementBrandon 2 жыл бұрын

I get the point, but think you're over complicating it. I'd take your original analogy and amend to something more of the company being the main platform, the uprights being more akin to the internals (commodity hardware), and the attachments being the apps. Like you said, not a lot of differences in the actual commodity aspect, but where companies differentiate themselves are in other regards (like customer service, quality, warranty). You like apple b/c of the user experience. An android might have better specs, or better prices, but if it doesn't work the way you want it, then that doesn't mean it's better for you. When I get the question of Company A vs Company B I give them the ecosystem pitch that there's really no difference in uprights outside of maybe width, depth, height and country of origin, but where the decision is made is more based off which ecosystem of attachments they want to commit to that will only work with that rack, but the good news is you can still usually adapt other pieces as long as its say 3x3 with 1" hardware.

@ericjohnson369 2 жыл бұрын

Well said 👏🏻

@ericjohnson369 2 жыл бұрын

Well said 👏🏻

@CodyPexton1 2 жыл бұрын

All of my "open source" mix and match equipment already seamlessly works together. I'm not clear on what the benefit of a closed system would be. Equipment keeps getting better and better. Improvements are coming out every year. I'd hate to be trapped using one manufacturer.

@realalbertan 2 жыл бұрын

Have the BoS 60x60 with 5/8 holes. Wish they had a few 4 way holes. I grabbed a extra short upright (69") that will get wall mounted with a spacer kinda like a rought strip. I have to drill side holes for my plate holders. But it will make a great spot to store attachments that only cost me $50 with a plate holder thrown in. The benifit of being local to a company... what do you have laying around?

@reginaldchesterfield8110 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for explaining clearly. I completely agree with you because the way you describe it makes sense. Its more about those other factors than a “closed” system, exclusive ecosystem. This is a commodity, not a life intertwining technology platform.

@nateperryshootingsports6201 2 жыл бұрын

I love this channel like anyone else, but I think that people, like any other hobbies, gets so far into the gear that they forget that this is simply background noise to support athleticism and fitness. I want the option of being able to choose whatever mono lift arms I want to for the rack I have etc. Being stuck inside of a captive market for a brand is the last thing that I want from gym equipment. Tesla makes really cool cars but their totalitarian grip over warranty and customer support is a big No-Go. If people want an exclusive feeling from buying a whole $uite of products, PRx already exists 🤣

@rodolfomedini9931 2 жыл бұрын

I am actually more for any attachment being compatible for any rack so I advocate for open source... Right now the only real limitations to attachments within a brand is regarding width or length of the rack... So you can't necessarily use the same pull-up bar, seat/bench, or lat pulldown from rack to rack but jcups and lever arms are likely not an issue if hole size is right.... If anything I want those more standardized so you can put any attachment on any rack take the best from each... I don't want to change my rack to get a single attachment while possibly losing other attachments I have... Adopting a unique notch style (like hammer strength has) or adding UHMW (like Atlantis does) to a rack would throw off the post sizing and make the attachments unique the rack for sure.... Companies would benefit from this more than users... The coop squat and concept behind would fall by the waste side if that was the case and we don't want that! I don't want to be limited if anything I want even more options

@GarageGymReviews 2 жыл бұрын

I love the open source nature of racks currently. I've stated it so many times, it's essentially an erector set. But, I would like to see a company try the alternative to create a more seamless system with tighter tolerances and a way to speed up attaching and using the rack. Not a closed system just to keep people from buying from other companies, but a closed system that improves the user experience.

@samwroblewski748 2 жыл бұрын

@@GarageGymReviews EDIT: should’ve finished the video lol how did Arsenal fair in that regard? Be curious if your thoughts have changed much since trying it out before

@rodolfomedini9931 2 жыл бұрын

@@GarageGymReviews okay I support that.. I missed that sentiment if it's in the video.

@reginaldchesterfield8110 2 жыл бұрын

@@GarageGymReviews this isnt technology, youre not interfacing with multiple devices, machines. This is straight up steel, for exercising. Lame.

@BasementBrandon 2 жыл бұрын

@@GarageGymReviews Wouldn't you say companies have already tried this with things like their slotted attachements? People hate them b/c they are then locked into the system and that company.

@logicloveart 2 жыл бұрын

I'm really struggling to understand how proprietary ecosystems would benefit the consumer in this space. I really disagree with you on this one Coop.

@GarageGymReviews 2 жыл бұрын

I think, generally, we haven't really seen it yet. I would say I prefer the 4 way hole open source we have now. My rack is a mix of nearly every brand that makes 1" 3x3 attachments. BUT, it's really hard to say I prefer something over something else when I haven't experienced the alternative in this area. I will say, I am a massive fan of the Apple ecosystem and how everything works together. I think similar principles could work in a rack and I'd like to see it.

@logicloveart 2 жыл бұрын

@@GarageGymReviews fair enough. Personally I am an android guy and I really don't like the way apple aggressively walls people in to their ecosystem. They're refusal to adopt USB standards is a good example of this. I don't see their proprietary ports as being beneficial to the consumer. But as you say, you can't really know for sure until someone tries it.

@kznsky14 2 жыл бұрын

@@GarageGymReviews Ever try and play triple A computer games on a Mac? Or use headphones with a cord? What about smart home equipment, HomeKit SUCKS compared to Google and Alexa. No judgement here, but as a straight man I don't need to experience gay sex to know I prefer women. ;)

@kylen6430 2 жыл бұрын

Coop: “We want better ecosystems!” Rogue: “how about a new 4x3 rack?”

@iamfuckingyourwaifuandther2743 2 жыл бұрын

But Rogue non of my attachments work on a 4x3 rack. Rogue: "We'll release those attachments again over the next 10 years for the 4x3 rack"

@JNeathawk 2 жыл бұрын

new 4x3 rack has been selling good! next gen will be 3.5x3 and we don't make a headphone jack anymore, but we'll sell you a $75 converter that plugs into your charging port.

@kylen6430 2 жыл бұрын

@@JNeathawk will it be backwards compatible? Would really like to be able to still play my Xbox 360 games on it

@JNeathawk 2 жыл бұрын

@@kylen6430 the new system will play all the old games. Subscription for old games start at $15/mo plus a gold membership which is $99/yr and is required for all online play

@7vexes 2 жыл бұрын

drinking game: take a shot every time Coop says ecosystem

@joewade6622 2 жыл бұрын

A proprietary Apple style rack would be a major nope from me. Having a hard time even imagining what you think would be better about it for the customer. Better for the producer because you're extremely locked in now and they can charge whatever they want for every little attachment, but how does that really make your experience any better? I can imagine, basics like j cups that cost 2-3 times as much, and I can't use 3rd party options, wow so much better experience. Maybe after that they can connect it to the internet and make it a "smart rack" that I have to subscribe to. Can't wait

@Jimble_Boi 2 жыл бұрын

I think the idea was a closed system would add opportunity for more refinement in the system, making for a better all around experience. Hence the apple comparison.

@GarageGymReviews 2 жыл бұрын

I don't want a closed system for closed system sake. That's been done many times where companies will make 2.5"x2.5" uprights and 7/32" holes instead of 5/8" and things like that. That's only beneficial to the producer. I want to see more refinement in a system making for a better experience. Quicker changing attachments. Tighter tolerances.

@joewade6622 2 жыл бұрын

@@GarageGymReviews yeah that makes sense, I was just taking the idea to an extreme just to take the piss, because I would not like to see racks go the way all tech stuff has been going the past decade plus.

@OptimalTraining 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I recently upgraded my rack to 3X3 with 1 " hardware because I saw that is the way the market is going. I have also been looking at all these small shops that have been creating some great attachments and I wanted a rack that would be compatible with attachments outside the ecosystem. I don't want to wait for Rogue to make J-Cups with rollers or their own version of the Sornex Bulldog. I want those attachments now. So I am more for opensource in the Rack market.

@markhalstead2386 2 жыл бұрын

@@GarageGymReviews I think Surplus Strength is filling that gap with tighter tolerances. Their racks are nice if you have seen The Kurtlocker's current Surplus Strength rack. Surplus Strength added a Rogue belt squat drop in to their 24" squat rack that they will be releasing soon (the rack only). It bolted right up.

@christianramirez8831 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta say, I have not been enjoying the direction your channel is heading. The amazing thing of a home gym, which you use to emphasize, is setting things up your way. Being able to mix and match the best attachments from different manufacturers. Competition in an open system drives innovation and competitive pricing. I don't see how a closed system would make anything better

@hitleractually8180 2 жыл бұрын

Yup, he's getting too big for his britches. He has a channel called "garage gym reviews" but he's moved the operation out of the garage and into a warehouse, totally killing the spirit of what the channel is supposed to be. He's also hired a team of millennial dispshits. It's now just a channel to shill for corporations.

@Surkit914 2 жыл бұрын

So glad the community decided to push back on this in the comments! Coop: I love the Hydrow, but I wish I could just sit down and row sometimes Also Coop: Imagine a closed ecosystem squat rack. Think of the innovation it'll bring

@redbull9554 2 жыл бұрын

You need to branch out! Enough racks already! Stackable plyo boxes, battle ropes, climbing ropes, rubber bands, etc. come on Coop!

@BM-si2ei 2 жыл бұрын

In many industry verticals, especially IT, what you're describing from the customer side is best of breed vs. best of suite (or sole source, or like 5 other terms). Every vendor out there has created or is trying to create a product ecosystem (Microsoft is one of the best examples between their desktop, cloud and hardware options). The ecosystem will work (in theory) better together and they will often offer discounts by expanding your footprint in that ecosystem. That's the benefit of best of suite. The drawback is that the best ecosystems rarely have every solution, or even many of their solutions, as the best offering for your business challenge. Which is why customers often go best of breed and work to integrate (which has its own benefits and drawbacks). If companies were to create uprights as their base offering, then all of their attachments as extensions of their ecosystem, and they offered scaling discounts as you expand within their platform, then I could see the value. But we all know that's not going to happen. I'm struggling to see how this would provide any value to a consumer, but then this video doesn't seem to be aimed at the consumer.

@DrakeValleyOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

The straight faced, smooth - "Welcome to rack city, bitch" holy crap I spat out my coffee 😂

@CH-lj8zf 2 жыл бұрын

First minute talking about the Definition of a ecosystem felt like I was back in high school trying to get the word count up on my essay

@georgepolachak7046 2 жыл бұрын

I'm all about Open Source. More options. I have a REP PR1100, 2x2 with 1" holes. REP doesn't even off a sandwich J-Cup for that rack, but I was able to use Titan's T2 J-Cups. Also, Titan's dip bar was prices better than REP, and also works on my rack.

@TheStooch 2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with you here. The major upside of choosing certain racks is oftentimes you'll be able to choose attachments from multiple companies. I have a 2x3 rack that I bought when I first got into training and it kinda sucks because the attachments are a bit more limited in variety than if I were to have gotten a 3x3. The thing about proprietary rack ecosystems is if a product is released for it and it sucks, or if a different company releases a great product but it doesn't fit your proprietary rack slots, you're out of luck.

@andycane007 2 жыл бұрын

One of the problem with this theory is that your phone analogy is that a phone is consider disposable while a power rack really isn’t. With a phone, you upgrade roughly every 2 years so those companies want to do more to entice the other platform. A power rack isn’t something you can just swap out and manufacturers know this so they need to market to the widest network to move their products. I guess the real question is how would they be able to make the experience better with a closed ecosystem that would justify these trade offs?

@planetxpress 2 жыл бұрын

The Inspire SCS system is an example of a closed system you speak of. It's the only system I've found so far that has packed together a rack I can use for free weight barbell movements, all cable movements with the adjustable dual-handle functional trainer, machine movements using its cable system like lat pull downs, leg extensions, hamstring curls, weighted ab crunches, and standing/seated calf raises with the smith machine, all in the footprint the size of a standard 4-post rack. So while it's not perfect and has its downsides like metal J-hooks and safety arms, it's a good example of a closed system that has used its proprietary nature to do something that no one else has really done yet in that same footprint.

@joecowan3719 2 жыл бұрын

A big part of the home gym community is the DIY and creativity of replicating a piece on your own. open source is in the heart of the home gym. This closed system would work well in an Equinox Commercial Gym I guess...but most of us are not that target market.

@bkinder83 2 жыл бұрын

Open source is always the answer. Many aspects of Apple are inferior but you just have to take it on the chin. Open source allows the cream to rise to the top and opens it up to personal preference

@nateperryshootingsports6201 2 жыл бұрын

Apple’s closed system means that they are always behind the curve on new features, but when those features do hit the iOS, they work reliably the majority of the time which is some thing that we cannot say for the constant beta testing of the android system w hundreds of thousands of developers for apps and such. Since most people are not “tech people “they simply want a phone to work reliably all of the time and I don’t care about being tech people where the phone is it’s own hobby

@chipblue5771 2 жыл бұрын

Coop jumped the shark!

@jamestonbellajo 2 жыл бұрын

Pasting from a reply to someone else: I admire Coop for taking a shot here and I know tech is his second love after gym equipment, but it doesn’t scale well to begin with. I know Coop has discussed marrying fitness and tech in a way where it’s accessible and usable by all and this stream of consciousness was a good attempt but it just wouldn’t be viable in practice and any company that would try this outside of Rogue would not survive. The current setups today are expensive enough so a closed system would just add more to the price tag of already expensive equipment. Honestly, the main purpose of a rack is to help people lift stuff (bars, lever arms, etc.) up and down and the current offerings do that now. If Coop had specific examples of what racks currently can’t do right now and how a close system could help with that, I would’ve been more convinced. But the gym equipment market is an enthusiasts’ game similar to things like mechanical keyboards and sneakers. The market is small but it will feel loud if you’re actually a part of part of the community (subreddits, forums, Facebook groups). Most people who buy this stuff just want to be able to bench, squat and maybe do pull ups and dips. Those that want more make up a smaller chunk of the market. At the end of the day, margins for manufacturing and shipping heavy steel are small and the use cases are very limited, especially compared to tech.

@MrSpwn 2 жыл бұрын

I think Coop needs to check out the ForceUSA G20... I'd say that fits the definition of an ecosystem in a rack

@1calebparker 2 жыл бұрын

I think the 4-way post can be improved on, but I also don’t think it would necessitate a closed source route. E.g. if there was a type of sophisticated gear & tooth ratchet system to adjust attachment height quickly and more precisely. It would be better, but there’s no reason other people couldn’t replicate that just the same as 4-way posts. Then the attachments could still be universal. I feel like this video missed its mark because I kept waiting for a solution to the “problems” listed. But maybe Coop will drop a pt. 2 & elaborate 🤷🏽‍♂️

@JNeathawk 2 жыл бұрын

A closed system = Less freedom of choice. Once a successful closed system gets in place they will stiffle creativity, progress, and competition. That is what Apple does. Yeah, great all their devices work together... only if you keep buying from Apple. New Apple phone gets released, has new features, feature was available on Android two years ago, Apple is only successful with the feature because their customers had no choice in the matter. Apple people tend to not know what they are missing, they only know that their devices talk to each other. And that's great for a lot of people who don't know how, or don't want to bother with the details of different OSes and services. I would love some interchangeability, and standardization of squat racks and accessories. There is some, but there are a lot of differences in upright dimensions. I think that's the opposite of what you're talking about here though.

@Alnie13 2 жыл бұрын

Isnt the Ironmaster IM2000 exactly what you are describing? The uprights that are not just uprights but also part of a smith machine? They use different dimensions for the uprights so you can only use ironmaster attachments. And the unique benefit aside from the smith machine: IM2000 has a smaller footprint than other racks. Which is an substantial upside for home gyms.

@robschilke 2 жыл бұрын

For me, I think about assessability. Fitness should be accessible for all…and one of the things I think about most regarding the accessibility of fitness is the cost. I feel a closed ecosystem might corner users into buying proprietary products within the ecosystem that may have higher prices due to “exclusive technology”. Now if the product is THAT good then users will buy it but the whole idea of a squat rack eco system just seems too much in the early adopter phase or that there hasn’t been a worth the cost solution to actually commit to one of these ecosystems. At the end of the day Coop, we’re talking about some holes in square tubes with varying thicknesses of metal with some potential mechanical quirks. With fitness equipment (and any product design), keeping it simple is best.

@chiptune_ 2 жыл бұрын

Most people struggle to afford home gyms in the first place. I'm not sure how this would benefit anyone but the wealthiest of this already niche market - locked ecosystems will probably crop up when smart gym tech grows, but at least on the existing hardware I see zero reason to de-standardize the market.

@HighSpinSwingSpeed 2 жыл бұрын

I remember when Coop said fat bells were the end of dumbbells

@Fartking_69 2 жыл бұрын

so what is your recommendation when buying your "first rack" based on the current state of affairs? Do you prefer rogue/rep/titan/sorinex uprights/racks over the other? and why? I know some people really care about the width when unracking/squatting and that makes them like Rep over rogue...and others swear by rogue/sorinex quality over rep/titian but what are your thoughts based on the average gym owner?

@royshambo 2 жыл бұрын

Been wanting to say this for a while now, I think the sound mixing is off. The music is so loud compared to the voices where I have to jack my volume up when you talk and then get blasted with the music at 11

@salvadorm4079 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, I usually watch him at work, and I hate how I have to turn up the volume to hear what he is saying the get blasted with music and people just looking at me weird all the time.

@hitleractually8180 2 жыл бұрын

I've noticed this also. Very annoying. The dialogue sounds like he's speaking softly in a public library, then I get sexually assaulted by the lound electronic music. Whoever he's got doing the filming and editing now....they're fucking up.

@MeepMeep88 2 жыл бұрын

Thank gawd apple doesn't make squat racks.. They'd try to patent circle holes on the squat rack lol

@bmstylee 2 жыл бұрын

If you miss a rep they'll say you're holding it wrong.

@MeepMeep88 2 жыл бұрын

@@bmstylee When they remove the holes, they'll say it's to help save you money.. But later charge 2x as much as before lol

@joewade6622 2 жыл бұрын

While we're at it, what's up with racks letting me use any barbell and any plates I want? That sucks! Give me an iRack that's only compatible with iBar and iPlates. smdh

@joecowan3719 2 жыл бұрын

Coming at this as an Android and 5/8ths REP person that has a Franken Rack with some of the more unique and innovative attachments, like Mutant Metal Snap back roller monos and Irwin Fitness Monos : it is pretty arrogant of a company to make a closed ecosystem that they feel is the best of every single attachment ever made, necessity is the mother of invention, a product that helps someone train around an injury etc. IMO this ecosystem creates a need to only buy their product line and there is no pressure to keep price low through competition. What happens when their supply chains dry up or hit a snag?

@mjp8415 2 жыл бұрын

Do rogue monster accessories like the j-cups and safety straps fit on rep pr 5000 racks?

@joecowan3719 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, REP racks are metric so they are a little smaller than a true 3"x3." Rogue Monster fit on PR5000 and Monster Lite on PR4000. The width is where you have issues since Rogue is 49" and REP, Sorinex and Titan are 47"

@timfowler6375 2 жыл бұрын

I kind of sit in the middle, I like my iPhone and how well it works with other Apple products, but I also like being able to use non-Apple accessories like headphones. I'm the same with gym gear, I'm happy to buy stuff that has certain accessories/attachments that work best with it, but I also want the option to buy off-brand stuff that will work with it. I couldn't help but think of the Force USA MyRack system when you were talking about ecosystems. What are your thoughts on that system in the context of ecosystems?

@HomeDistiller 2 жыл бұрын

i think the key hole means you can use the thinner 5/8" attachments as well as the 1" attachments.

@clb121781 2 жыл бұрын

The keyhole is for specific items(very few) that have notches in them that catch on the keyhole. The storage post is the best example. When it drops into the keyhole, the post is rock solid with no spin or sag.

@alexstein1522 2 жыл бұрын

Love this. Can u do a review on rogue RM6. I am on the fence between that and a Sorinex base camp. Thank u and love the content

@dic4 2 жыл бұрын

Any thoughts on the Sorenix Ox Bar. Compared to Duffalo bar.

@robinsonsteve62 2 жыл бұрын

That arsenal rack you did a review on seems like a pretty closed system rack to me

@ayitscliffton5559 2 жыл бұрын

I spit out my coffee when Coop said “Welcome to Rack City B***H” 😂😂😂

@coastercrush3635 2 жыл бұрын

the growth of his channel during the pandemic has gone to his head

@liftsalty 2 жыл бұрын

Eleiko comes close with their prestera line. The uprights are 2.75"x2.75" but their gliding j-hook and spotter attachments are great.

@dDumbopop 2 жыл бұрын

Solid video Coop! I am waiting for the day you say, fk it, and just start a company of your own. I'm on board for that

@andrewshirley41 2 жыл бұрын

This made my brain hurt

@airgordo4 2 жыл бұрын

Titan does make attachments that use the keyhole. The neck attachment for example. It’s the same 5/8” design as the one for their X3 it just has a 1” adaptor on it to fit the 1” holes on the series rack.. meaning hole spacing lines up with the “key hole” so it still requires a 5/8” pin in the bottom without them having to completely redesign a new product for the 1” holes.

@rob3151 2 жыл бұрын

What happened to the monster cave?

@amunra69 2 жыл бұрын

I dislike closed source systems in a home gym. The main thing keeping me from buying a prime HLP tower or rack is that it isn’t four way hole spaced and not “1 holes. One company is never going to make the best attachment for everything, so you’re gonna lose out on the best of something if you’re locked in that way.

@ted6580 2 жыл бұрын

Extremely confusing post for me lol. I think Coop just switched over to Apple, liked the ecosystem and tried to apply it to racks where it doesn’t make as much sense. The only benefit of a closed system to the consumer is quality control. Apple won’t let random crappy apps in their App Store, Nintendo won’t let random crappy games use their platform, etc. Not true of Android. If Apple opened up their platform to open source, all of the current products Coop has would still work. Same with racks, if Rogue switched to 2.7” racks, then I guess rogue customers wouldn’t be able to buy crappy titan attachments to save money and end up regretting it lol. This also forgets one very big issue: closed systems already exist, namely FORCE USA. They sell their all-in-ones with a 2.4” x 2.4” rack no one else uses and include like 10-20 attachments. They have everything from racks with cable weight stacks, smith machines, dip station, etc. However, most serious weight lifters don’t buy G force specifically because it is closed-source and you’re stuck in that ecosystem and while it might be good for a beginner/immediate with limited space, more advanced lifters may want custom Ghost Strong j-cups or rogue monolift 2.0, etc. Coop reviewed the Gforce series and said some attachments were good and some were not which means if for example you hate their monolift, you’re screwed since no other mono works with that rack. Finally, Coop mentions the racks are not exactly identical since the width and height of the racks vary so some attachments are not compatible so they’re already semi-closed systems. If anything, having a single standard would be better so you can use an Ares cable system on a rogue rack, Rogue rhino on a rep rack, etc.

@jordanmyers2457 2 жыл бұрын

Coop, could you provide some examples/ideas of what you mean when you say “benefits of a closed eco system” for weight racks? I fully understand the improved “customer experience” aspect of a closed eco system in regards to the Apple analogy you made. Every thing works seamlessly and makes it easy. But I am struggling to come up with “improved customer experience” examples for weight racks? What is the weight rack feature/capability that is going to drive such a better customer experience that a closed eco system is something customers gladly accept? Are you thinking about stuff like automatic weight loading/adjusting for barbells or some other crazy capability I am just not thinking about?

@mikeschaefer5705 2 жыл бұрын

Did u get this idea from marques brownlee?! Love it

@marcschlegel713 2 жыл бұрын

I am a big fan of OpenSource, and my hope is that one day I can easily add a Rep pulldown system to my Rogue rack. With regards to an ecosystem, it looks like Eleikos Prestera line is heading that way

@VV-om8vv 2 жыл бұрын

This was a cool video. I don’t think I’ve seen another that compares the ecosystems which is obviously a core component of racks these days. Thanks

@steveborrelli8800 2 жыл бұрын

why haven't Rogue created attachments or brackets to the rack? purchasing brackets from CFT performance for leg extensions. why cant rogue make simple clean brackets

@markhalstead2386 2 жыл бұрын

I have a Surplus Strength upper and lower pully system on my Rogue Monster Lite rack. I am thinking about Irwin roller J-cups, because it is to the point of cumbersome to even think about centering my power bar during squats. There is the ability to add other company attachments if they attach to one upright. What I would love to see is the ability to add a Rep Fitness rear pulley system to a Rogue rack. Won't happen due to differing widths and heights, but it could happen.

@robertfox4114 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoy simplisity. I would be scared to move around that thing,what if it transforms into a Megazoid and beats me up?

@neiloconnellx 2 жыл бұрын

Could you do a video reviewing pads for hip thrusts? thanks!

@InvestorAcademyPodca 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a squat rack. Bar goes on, bar comes off. Focus on decent welds, fair price and keeping them in stock. Put proprietary software and Bluetooth in one for Coop and price it at $10k+ $29.99 a month subscription.

@CPowell133 2 жыл бұрын

Would rather see attachments work across multiple branded racks of 3x3 with 1inch hardware as an example. More upsides for the consumer and won't be negative for the equipment manufacturers as long as they are providing attachments that people want.

@colinwahl2509 2 жыл бұрын

Who created the keyhole attachment system first? Gun handguard manufacturers or rogue? :P

@pockeyz 2 жыл бұрын

Usually love the reviews but this one is out of left field. Seems like you’re asking for standardization instead of open vs closed. Hole sizing, tolerances, etc can all be given to the consumer. Open standards help companies compete for the customer’s money. Proprietary systems lead to anti consumer behavior, like apple’s opposition for right-to-repair.

@salama13guate 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t it be easier if all companies would use the 3x3 1” for the uprights, and then let 3rd party companies maximize the functionality of attachments? It feels like most companies are trying to patent their designs which makes it hard to have a good open source market for attachments. So if a company wanted a “close source” system, they would have to make sure they aren’t running into another companies patented design or other hoops to jump through. I would like to see all squat rack uprights be the same(preferably holes on all four side with keyhole design), while the same companies also offering custom length cross members, and third party companies develop some really cool and functional attachments. I think that would really push invitation and help consumers the most. Idk how I feel about this take. I think the last thing we need it an overpriced ecosystem when home gym equipment can already be expensive.

@TheEverymanReview 2 жыл бұрын

Ok honestly just getting started here...I literally have Sunny Health Rack from Amazon it too has its own ecosystem that due to size doesn't play nice with any of the 3x3 stuff. But even it uses the hole post uprights. What would an example of an ecosystem without or beyond holes look like? One that was still fast and easy to use while still strong and safe.... I dont see one on my head. I do agree and feel like once they came up with the rack they just keep throwing stuff at it and once you get enough pieces they fail to integrate well and it becomes a piecemeal design opposed to a full usable interface of parts.

@aldenapoli4526 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see a fold out squat rack video that you can use most if not all accessories from all the different manufacturers for a budget friendly audience. This is how you build a larger reoccurring audience.

@ardendoss9206 2 жыл бұрын

If the goal is to make better attachments & tighter tolerances, then open source allows for competition. I like being able to utilize a Titan Roller J-cup or a Rogue Monolift on my Rep Rack. I can pick and choose from several manufacturers, account for the 3" vs 2.95" tolerances, and find the best attachments for my needs (and relying on GGR to help me make those decisions). That choice and competition, when factored in with price point, benefits the consumer most. I agree that upright design is lagging...the materials, construction (laser cutting vs decals) and finish have gotten better over time (and largely because GGR calls them out when they fall short). While I'm also wholly into the Apple eco-system, there's a reason they call it the "apple tax"...you pay more for ease of use for AirPods...when third parties (Bose or Logitech) might actually fit your needs better. So, a hybrid approach...sure...could work...I would prefer more R&D and creativity in attachments, then rethinking the upright. Similar to how open trap bars have evolved, sometimes improving and sometimes losing sight, of the original iteration. If the only open trap was from Eleiko, I'd pay the Apple tax...but I like that other manufacturers see it and do their own take on what could be better for some at different price ranges.

@brandonhoover2120 2 жыл бұрын

Titan Rollers are ass compared to Ghost.

@GearMashers 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Coop is ready to create the ultimate squat rack ecosystem. Hope to see you in Miami at HIRSA. Eleiko has a closed 70mm x 70mm eco system right now with the Prestera line that they launched at the end of 2021. I don't know of any other manufacture making 70mm x 70mm attachments. There might be some, but I don't know about them. They came out with both sliding J-cups and detachable j-cups. Same with safety arms. The line can be expanded from a simple 2 post to a dual squat rack. They have at least 3 pull-up options and 1 dip bar option. They have a landmine. They also have shelving for their racks. Heck they even have a Smith Attachment that will work with their racks. Their Prestera Adjustable Pull-Up Handles are probably the best out there right now. That said their products are often out of stock and they certainly don't have some of the cooler attachments that Rogue and Rep have come out with like the slinger and lever arms. I do have a feeling that Eleiko might come out with a slinger option this year. And Eleiko is the closest thing to Apple that I can think of as far as looks. Very refined equipment. And of course you can't forget the cool Knurl knobs.

@plmn93 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not giving up my "closed ecosystem" Parabody rack from 20 years ago. It's just so convenient with the pop pins and a lat tower built in, along with good depth for a bench. It's far from perfect so I keep looking for a replacement but there's nothing in the market I like better.

@HeCoversMe 2 жыл бұрын

They could start out with square holes in their uprights hahaha that would make a good closed system

@eaburksjac 2 жыл бұрын

What are the specific customer experience issues that this new ecosystem would be solving? And why would they require a new ecosystem to fix these issues? Tolerances can be addressed without having people buy new racks.

@SaulFemm 2 жыл бұрын

I think the disconnect for me on this is I can't imagine the benefits a closed system could bring to a rack. What could a proprietary hole shape offer the consumer other than locking them in to that single ecosystem? Maybe if you had shared some of the ideas that you have. I'd be with you if I could see that but since I can't, I'm happy as things are where competition is on customer service instead of ecosystems.

@cmdrfunk 2 жыл бұрын

Don't think too hard about it. It's stupid. You just want to bench and squat. It's not that complicated.

@larrytinnin3357 2 жыл бұрын

The key hole design does not help keep the attachment in or from be “droopy”. Stops spin sure, but that is about it

@jwaddle12844 2 жыл бұрын

This is definitely not a consumer focused pitch and it would be nearly impossible for a company to pull off at this stage.

@richards6431 2 жыл бұрын

The point of a home gym is to lift the way you want. I don’t want some closed system crap. And I hate the word ecosystem when it is not used in the biological sciences. Coop is off the mark again. A bunch of proprietary squat racks is not what people want, just like “smart” home gyms are not the future (at least not the way they have been implemented). Peloton and others have crashed back down to earth.

@BacktotheOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Everyone with an AR-15 knows this discussion well…

@AlgerJ24 2 жыл бұрын

How many times does he say ecosystem?

@firstfloor5347 2 жыл бұрын

Reinventing the wheel

@PaulHo 2 жыл бұрын

Just wait until they Keurig the hell out of gym equipment, and plates only work with certain bars, and QR codes are required to even remove a barbell.

@Beaudozer9000 2 жыл бұрын

I swear Coop just sees whatever the tech industry does and thinks it should apply to gym equipment. Can't wait for my subscription service power rack!

@andyweinberg8100 2 жыл бұрын

One problem is that by creating a new ecosystem, you create barriers of entry for existing customers, which usually isn't a good thing. One example is cameras. When a camera maker switches to a new lens mount, people with existing cameras can't use the new lenses without an adapter. If they buy a new camera with the new mount, their existing lenses won't work without an adapter (and adapters usually have downsides in addition to the cost). If Rogue introduces a new rack ecosystem, existing Rogue owners won't be able to use all the fancy new attachments (unless there are adapters), and if they bought a new rack entirely they wouldn't be able to use their existing attachments. There would have to be some really serious utility to the new system (way better attachments, far easier to use, considerably cheaper to manufacture) for an existing company to introduce such a system.

@jackalope2k 2 жыл бұрын

I bought Torque short squat rack because of my basement size. It is a closed system and I am not sold on it. I see a lot of attachments I would like that I cannot get or use because of this closed system. They have started expanding on things you can get but it is still not enough by comparison to other racks out there.

@djdisasterjames 2 жыл бұрын

Mate i agree. I'm a beginner who just wants to do strong lifts 5x5 using time under tension to build some strength at last. But for that i need a squat rack and a bench. It's so hard to find one system that features both that simply fits in my garage! I'm 6'2 so the ones that claim to have squat racks built in mostly are way too short. This is crying out to be done! I like the proform g680 i just saw but they don't make them anymore. This should be easy!

@joeschmo2693 2 жыл бұрын

The closed system would only be good if they come out with a full array of attachments and accessories all at once. That you may be a victim in denial doesn't change the fact that Apple is a predepriatary outfit.

@adamnickel 2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah, you shaved it off! Looks way better bro!

@johnsodx 2 жыл бұрын

Apple/Android is not a good analog to the squat rack world at all. The smart phone market dwarfs the squat rack market. Apple may be called a “closed system”, but a lot of third parties put out accessories compatible with Apple because the market is huge. This keeps the prices reasonable. This won’t happen with the relatively tiny squat rack market.

@keystone2b 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t the Rogue RM43 system be the “apple” of gym equipment?

@stealthassasin1day291 2 жыл бұрын

I'm happy Companies arn't taking Coop's advise on this one. If a company does, I hope they have a ton of money to burn into advertisement and manufacturing.

@alivideo403 2 жыл бұрын

You can buy an Atlantis or Hammer Strength rack (a different ecosystem). But the attachments are very limited. There's only so much you can do with a squat rack system.

@Thewoodsbob 2 жыл бұрын

I can imagine some benefits of something that brings in some new features. I think a premium system would need to use some tech to track how many plates you have on the bar or something and give you data on your progress

@jirdesteva 2 жыл бұрын

IMHO the majority of home gym setups are a conglomeration of equipment and brands of equipment selected for the specific needs of the people using them. If anything they are normally ad hoc selections based on price, functionality, and space. To be locked into a specific brand because of a proprietary system would be very limiting. My specific space requirements already imposes limitations and I've had to MAKE the equipment I have fit the space. My wallet has its limits as well. My exercise routine and my desired fitness goals are not the same as that of a pro athlete nor am I trying to be a pro.

@Jordan-th8ps 2 жыл бұрын

why on earth would we be advocating for companies to close-off a large part of the market?

@g10ronaldinho Жыл бұрын

As far as I know, Bells of Steel racks and attachments are a closed ecosystem. Can anyone confirm?

@daedae6463 2 жыл бұрын

I do want a rack from a manufacturer that has more options than I currently need because 1 don’t want to think about compatibility, and 2 I may need that option in future.