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The only thing I could think of for why Colt wants to escape is that waking up with a hangover every day for eternity sounds like hell.

“Norman doesn’t seem enthusiastic, but that might be the suppressor.” Jee-zus

The forgetting is explained -- it's accidental. They know they are looping, but don't know that their memory is erased.

Weird that there were so many time loop games during quarantine, where we were all repeating the same day over and over

I can’t believe Yahtzee didn’t mention the game’s main feature: the almighty kick!

The blink ability was in prey too. It's been in all their games since Dishonored actually.

I've literally only seen the promo trailers for the game but I could smell "a game Yahtzee wants to like more than he actually likes" a mile away

Ah yes, that little known indie game, Legend Of Zeda: Majora's Mask.

Well, most of that stuff about the memories was contained in Wenjie's audio logs and papers. She talks about how the presence of "visitor objects" (stuff from previous loops) suggests that it "IS NOT FIRST DAY." and that Colt and Julianna are the only people she has observed that seem to remember previous loops. (Meaning she didn't know 2-Bit could remember) But, my best guess for WHY Colt and Julianna remember is "something something residuum, something something genetics".

It's hinted that when you get bored and don't want to continue, you start to lose your memories of the loop. Some kind of subconscious thing probably. Everybody has been there _so_ long (probably centuries) that they've all ended up forgetting, with only Julianna actually remembering, and she keeps forcing Colt to remember. It might be because of that reason that she's always so hung up on Colt doing something interesting, or the unique circumstances of her birth that you discover as you play

they didn't know the loop would only be one day, and erase your memories.

Majora's Mask is probably the crowning game of the timeloop genre

For anyone who cares, the reason Colt wants to leave the loop is because he's been it before and while he was in the loop the first time his girlfriend died and he thought if he went back to the island the loop is on he'd be able to find a way back to her(he was wrong), and the reason everyone who set up the loop did it in the first place was because they didn't know they wouldn't keep their memory from loop to loop since colt brought them to the island and he kept his memory when he was in it the first time.

Number 2 is not a plot hole, they do say that they messed up the timeloop. The idea was that they could do what ever they like even killing them selfs by jumping off a tall building in the sea and wake up the next "day" with their body fine. But due to messing up the time loop, they are unable to work out that they did mess up (I know one of the targets does work it out from watching Colt and Juiliana but even they note they must of came this same idea over and over). Colt gets called a outcast at the start of each loop so the socal way is out (even if you could break the loop without killing them) and Juiliana loves the loop like this and has no plans to stop it.

The killers not retaining memory between loops makes sense when you realize they're in the loop to party forever. If they remembered every single loop, they would go insane.

If I were in a party loop, I'd wanna forget. It'd eventually get boring and become hell if you remembered, but forgetting means it's always new.

It’s a very short game, but a time loop game called Start Again Start Again Start: a prologue came out recently and I think it’s probably my favorite example of the concept, as it goes in depth on the impact it would have on the characters. Big recommend for anyone who’s got two hours and 11 bucks

On a small note Yatzhee, the eternalists losing their memory each day was addressed in the plot. It was an accident/unintentional

1:46 They probably thought they would remember, given Wenjie's observations; where Colt and Julianna succeeded

I’m glad someone else also used the silenced machine pistol to break the game in half like a kitkat

“Runs out quicker than an army wife’s vibrator” got me.

i can't imagine the amount of coding that would be needed for a true time loop game ala Groundhog Day. Because it's not about how everything repeats, it's about how every small interaction you have can noticeably change what happens later.

I'm not sure it's possible to exhaustively confirm that Deathloop was not a Rob Liefeld character.

My favorite thing about this game's release is how I can finally stop seeing the damn thing advertised everywhere and anywhere I go.

There was an interview with one of the devs where they said that they gutted the combat system and replaced it with that ridiculous kick since they couldn't get the latency working with the multi-player component that nobody asked for. Let's see.... solid first-person combat or strangers in my single-player game.... whatever should I choose. ffs.

While I have nothing against time loops, I do wonder if they've become a little overused, not only in games but in films and anime. But then again, if there's any trope where it being overused makes an eerie amount of thematic sense, it's time loops

being able to save stuff in between time loops feels like it goes against the core of the concept.

1:40 and a bit onwards: I think it makes sense, because everything gets stale if you do it on repeat, so you trick yourself into thinking you haven't repeated it constantly. It's the "make me forget the great story and campaign of a game so I can experience it for the first time again" thing.

3:22 Karnesis has an upgrade that lets you hit groups. I ended up using primarily Karnesis and Shift, Rapier rifle with reload speed as the centerpiece, and a Fourpounder that does more damage to marked enemies. There's also a purple autoshotty you can get that destroys anything that comes within three meters.

Prey Mooncrash DLC had a time loop mechanic, that felt way better and more immersive where it had an increasing difficulty curve where the more you unlocked the more the map changed and the enemies changed including random modifiers... yet Deathloop seemed like a step back from that with its stagnent every enemy has its time/spot and never moves. After playing it I found out that it was different Arkane studios, and they have a weird culture where they don't play the other teams game while they are developing their own. Deathloops lead designer never player Prey Mooncrash... which was the game that made me excited to buy Deathloop. WTF!!! Like Julianna could of been shifting the enemy locations, or giving them better gear or even "lesser" powers. I enjoyed Deathloop, but it felt a flat bronze medal after their previous titles.

We all know the time loop exemplar game is Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask

I think Majora’s Mask has the biggest prestige for time loops

Wouldn't it have been more interesting if the targets did keep their memories and the AI adapted each time you killed them?

The game addresses that no one who got into the loop realized that they were going to lose there memories every loop. There's multiple mentions of it in both npc dialogue and multiple mentions within the documents/audio logs

*Zero Punctuation prog rock track of the week:* *The Bitter Polyamory of Metroid and Vania* by the *Random Assets*

I don't know why but the mental image of you naming a really good pistol "Norman" of all things just really got to me

Was that a throwback to: “random documents and audiologs”

I obtained this in the humble bundle and finally played it. I found myself really enjoying it. It seems to take the progressive ideas Arkane introduced in the last dishonored game (death of the outsider) and ramped them up to 11. Consequence free stealth, providing a box of toys a resetting playground and then letting the player use them how they see fit. Making the power bar auto refill rather than relying on pick ups or items. Removing money, no body hiding, generous ammo. Its a game of excess rather than restriction. Hope it gets a sequel.

He should try the Mooncrash DLC for Prey. It's basically Death loop but fixes all of his gripes.

Honestly, I think Outer Wilds exemplifies the time loop mechanic the best, since the loops actually matter because of the schedule the planets are keeping. There are areas of the game you will just never know about unless you get there at the right time, missed the window, oh well might as well fling yourself into the sun and try again.

Not disagreeing with anything said here, but clarifying a few things: Light spoilers for some early game crap I guess? 1) Right next to where you unlock Infusion, there's a voice log from Wenjie explaining that she's noticed things indicating this isn't the first day in the loop and noticing that Colt and Julianna have gotten way better at their job the moment the loop started. On top of that, the entire Infusion quest is based around her trying to remember things between loops. The impression I got from the early bits of exposition on the whole dealio of the island was that it was meant for two parties: Partiers to party, scientists to conduct research, both without any consequences due to the resetting of the day. 2) Nexus does a bit more than just kill everyone linked. Match it with Karnesis and you can grab an entire group of people and slam them into the ground, off cliffs, etc. Speaking of Karnesis, one of the upgrades also lets you manipulate a group in a much smaller radius. It's not the most OP, but it's the most fun power in my opinion so I pretty much always use it. Never been one to care about taking the easiest route instead of the goofier, more amusing options. 3) If you don't enjoy getting invaded, you can turn off online mode and just go around on your own. Personally, I think invasions spice it up a lot and make it more fun, but I can totally see myself turning it off if I'm just trying to complete the game.

“That thing was my friend for life. I named it Norman” I laughed so hard here, i actually fell on the floor

LOLed at all kinds of imps: telephone receiver-wearing imps, imps getting their heads blown off, and imps killing the protagonist in many ways! XD

"You can't just show up to a figure skating contest with one leg in a cast and hope to make up for it with a sparkly mini skirt". This one phrase describes a shockingly large amount of "Triple A" games in recent years that have fallen just short of their mark.

Personally, I still think that the "Cause and effect" level from Titanfall 2 is the best way to handle a time travel mechanic in game. Hell, I'd pay full price for an entire campaign built around that one gadget.

This episode's outro card joke has got to be one of the weirdest and most elaborate ones I have ever seen on this channel. I hadn't laughed so hard at one of those since the one in Persona strikers where the dude lit up a firecamp by unlocking his persona.

"Beer o clock and regeret o clock" nice to see someone else lives in my timezone too.

The Imp fucking itself in the portal was genius

I hope that Yahtzee and Norman live very happily together.

Gonna be honest, wanting to relive the same day over and over without remembering it seems perfectly logical to me. Part of what would send you insane about time loops is the way things repeat over and over without anything changing. if they don't remember it, they can get the first time experience again and again and again, even if they never remember enjoying it the previous times. Which would be a perfectly good reason to have them get killed to stop the loop, since they're so stupid to think that was a good idea.

the sailing ship line caught me off guard and i can't stop laughing.

Now I'm just having fun saying "de schloop" over and over again

am I the only one who thinks majoras mask is the best example of a time loop game done right?

Loved the Liefeld reference

The reason why they would want to wipe their own memories at the end of the day is likely to avoid the existential dread of living the same day every day like in Groundhog's Day.

The Liefeld jab at the end credits got me. (And I know the Deathloop character will have way too many pouches as well as barely visible feet!)

Well think about why they might want to reset their memories: if they didn"t, eventually the partying and drinking would become the rule rather than the exception, becoming stale and meaningless. But resetting the memory keeps it fresh

Why reset their memories every day? That's an easy one. The thrill of partying every day wears off quick ultimately leading to mental breakdowns and knowledge and pain of every suicide attempt/failure. Don't mean to go "I have no mouth and I must scream" on it, but yeah. Partying followed by a daily memory wipe is a great option.

Playing as Juliana and using the strelak 50/50 with increased fire rate, magazine and short reloads is practically bullying

One reason I can think of for having no memory of the event after each day is if you were having the best day in the world and then next day is the same and you remember then it gets dull, but if you have your memory reset each time it would never be old and boring

I think outer wilds has stood the test of time more than anything else, but we all know everything timeloop is only ever gonna be a groundhog day

And thus, the previously named "time loop genre" was henceforth referred to as the "thloop genre"

Ah, the ol’ random documents and audio logs

Yahtzee's experience with invaders is basically just the standard multiplier shooter experience. "Here are all the fun and unique weapons we've put into this game that each have their own strengths and weaknesses... and here's the Death Telescope that lets some jackass who isn't even trying surprise insta-kill everyone else while sitting at a distance far outside the maximum effective range of most other weapons." The only joy sniper rifles have ever brought to multiplayer games is the pleasure of sneaking up on one and perforating them with a short-range weapon just for the sake of it.

Deathloop has really fun gameplay to offer you for around 6-7 hours. But that fun is sandwiched between the initial 3-hour tutorial and the final 8 hours of doing chores and visiting the same places again and again until you start to hate them. And all the endings are as good as a soggy toast sandwich with fungus on it.

I do like that Sexy Brutale got a mention! That game is a gem with an awesome soundtrack

Frick man it's been a long time since i wore some actually good head phones and man the base in the intro song sounds so good

1:41 the visionaries didn’t know they wouldn’t remember anything from day to day when they set the loop up, and now that the loop has started they all lose their memories after the first day and it repeats forever, so none of them have any idea that they’re forgetting nor did they know that would be a side effect of the loop I absolutely love this game, it’s a breath of fresh air while also being familiar to arkanes previous games and improving upon all the ideas concepts and gameplay in dishonored and prey .. I really do think this game deserved the 10/10 scores, it’s an amazing game

"Pre-breakfast wank" - picture of a iced cinnamon bun. "Celebratory post-breakfast wank" - picture of a bottle of Champagne. Yahtzee, you glorious, malingering bastard. Never change.

There was a terrible missed opportunity for a death Rube Goldberg Machine/mouse trap type play where the loop is the machine and you're a psychotic marble trying it over and over until you've found every possible way to kill everyone. Having different consequences and/or endings for different completion sequences would really add some spice.

You know thinking about it, I can think of a reason why the guys in charge would want to reset their own memories: so they wouldn't get bored reliving the same day over and over. Every day would seem like a fresh experience to them.

YOOO, Space-Hopper, didn't expect a Flatterland reference!

What you really need to do, is get the trinkets that let you gain health from inflicting melee damage, and the other that knocks anyone the fuck over, if you hit them while sprinting. Combine with Nexus, and you’re a self healing juggernaut.

When they explain that you get better loot from killing more Visionaries per loop, I was hoping for some really amazing upgrades late-game... and I just got more of the same that I already had. Also, you would think that after learning that there's a mass murdering Colt killing everyone, that the enemies would be equipped with more and more deadly weapons / armor to make each enemy that much harder... but that would force the player into a more stealth approach later on which I guess isnt what they wanted so the player keeps the choice of stealth or run n gun?

I love how the 'plot holes' he lists are not plot holes but are all things you learn from playing the game XD

That was a Friday Night Dinner reference with Auntie Val. I appreciate that. No one else will, but there ya go.

Yahtzee getting real at the end there and offering a non snarky opinion took me back a bit, always does

The Von Braun... well, guess I will be replaying System Shock 2 for Halloween again this year.

Ah man this is a weird one for me. I absolutely loved Dishonored (especially the original) and have played them all to death - super satisfying powers, really well done stealth and pretty solid combat (I've been told, combat for me has always been occasional crossbow to the head or stabbing) and, most importantly, amazing level design. Super open, detailed and full of varied areas and spaces and that great mix of clear paths and puzzles to get through. You felt clever and satisfied when you stumbled upon a sneaky path through an area without it being obvious. I love most of Deathloop, the overall voice acting and NPC personality is a huge leap from Dishonored and it was awesome to have the quicksave playstyle that was important in Dishonored actually built into the core game - you're not quicksaving non-stop and trial and erroring every few steps because you're restarting every day instead, improving organically. BUT, the levels are gorgeous and detailed but seem to have lots of dead space, less detail and little flavours to find and the paths were either non-existent or obvious - plus the 4 zones are very, very small. I didn't care for the guns, I don't think I ever fired one in Dishonored, but even with the basic nailgun you can kill any enemy except the key bosses in one headshot (give some helmets? maybe) from basically any range and while Blink (or Shift, here) is as satisfying as ever, the other powers were a bit pointless/OP. I miss the one that let you see collectibles through walls, the invisibility is pointless since I'm always on a roof, bookshelf or whatever and the death-link thingy is crazy OP. As many links as you want so long as they're close. I killed 9 enemies with one shot. The AI is pretty weak, I can sit on one ledge and attract guards with grenades before killing the entire map without being seen once, so there's very little challenge even if you are spotted since they search for you by staring at the dead body you left behind. Overall, satisfying enough but missing some of that spice that made Dishonored so good. Also the

De Sloop seemed like it'd be the big dog in the time loop genre, but I guess we're going back to the beginning eh??

I've been somewhat oblivious of Deathloop, but recently saw it pop up in a jumpscare complication as a player got unexpectedly sniped by a camping multiplayer opponent who knew exactly where to wait for him.

wait, so Colt keeps his memory from loop to loop but nobody else does? What? Why? What?

I like the active effort to not say "game play *loop* " at the end there.

The zero punctuation OTP: Norman the silenced submachine gun X Florence the fully upgraded far cry 4 sniper rifle.

Norman is such a wholesome little thing

it 'was' explained regarding the memory issue they were SUPPOSED to remember, but something went wrong and only juliana and (ususaly) colt remember, as well as one or two npcs.

I love that Magmoor Caverns was one of the 4 available levels

"Lead based hip replacement". That got me. XD

Yeah once you find 'Norman' the silenced SMG, all other guns become either too loud, or too slow.

I think the levels system is probably the thing that kills it the most. My favourite thing about time loop games is, well, using the loop to your advantage. Some things having a time limit, especially when you don't know it the first few times, is the best thing to discover. Say you find out that 5 minutes into the loop this person will pick up a gun to try and kill someone. But what if you rushed there and took the ammo out before the 5 minute mark? Well then a fight would happen and the person would get killed during it. There's your Assassination. There's your use of the loop. Loop games are often about either perfecting a route or simply discovering information through methods that take a lot of the loop and then implementing that information in a small amount of time in the next loop. Like spending a lot of time in a conversation to find out that Steve always gets his coffee from this one place at a certain time. Next loop you can run down there and poison it. Etc etc. Having to fight against the time limit or using it to your advantage is often the biggest part of the game. Like it 12 minutes, you can go through a route and she'll say "The thing is in the-" and the loop restarts. Its frustrating, you are fighting against time, but you now have new information to use. Its why time loop games often have a short span of time. One, to make the race against the clock a good mechanic. And Two, to not make it feel like such a task having to restart. Which is why I think a day is far too long and the levels betray it. I mean half the draw is going "I know what I'm doing, this game can be beat in 15 minutes. Let's go, final loop." From what I've seen in this game, you seem to be able to take your sweet ass time. I generally don't see the purpose of the loop mechanic in the game.

4:38 *Julianna's on the hunt* *Hack the antenna to unlock your tunnels*

0:56 De thloop LOL

The very first weapon I ever found that I could infuse was a silenced Uzi. It was the only weapon I ever used, because I could snipe headshot every enemy in the game without ever alerting anyone. This appears to be exactly what happened to Yahtzee.

A space hopper! Christ, I ain't seen one of them since... bloody hell I'm old...

"Let's add multiplayer options to a single player experience!" What a shock....you didn't end up with tense pistol duels....you ended up with asshole griefing snipers who are probably looking for exploits and hacks that will allow them to do it in 0.0001 seconds. Well there was no way you could have known about that result unless you had played ANY MULTIPLAYER FPS WITH A SNIPER RIFLE IN IT THAT HAS EVER BEEN MADE. Dafuq....

4:30 Nice Friday Night Dinner reference there.

I think, if there is looping, when your day ends and you go back to the "I got you babe" moment to start your day, you experience everyone else repeating their day unaware of your private history- your consciousness goes back into a new reality but everyone else's goes back to create a new reality with them at the middle of it. It's turtles all the way down.

So mechanically it is Hitman? You repeat a level until you find a sequence to kill all targets? So like a big Hitman Level with 8 targets?

i tell ya these reviews are massively underrated