I think a lot of people like it for the differences between Slades relationship with Dick Grayson,because Jason is morally looser than Dick,he can team up with slade for any reason,and his killer skills would impress a soldier like Slade,so long as it doesnt stop slade from doing a job

I agree underrated duo

@@YoshiNanamiKira I read once that there was concepts of having him be Deathstroke's Robin after under the Redhood came out

I liked Slade and Jason's relationship in Deceased, He sort of acted as a more merciless mentor to Jason.

We had red hood vs Deathstroke in rebirth

Very true I mean he does something similar in the teen titans show

Slade always wanted his own personal robin

@@billyboleson2830 I mean can you blame the guy?

@@ManiaeTheArchivistuh yes? Wouldn’t want to be the robin of a pedophile lmao

@@Joxshuxa no I’m saying to have a robin on your team not being robin for deathstroke

Plus the fact that while Deathstoke knows he himself is a ruthless and dangerous killer he’s knows that the joker is a true sadistic and psychotic monster

@@ArkhamKnight-uj6ww Exactly, plus would you honestly expect to ACTUALLY be paid by someone like that?!

@@obliqueapplications8881 not in a million years

Oh, i suspect Joker made an initial down payment...enough to get him to show up. Slade isn't an idiot. but when Jason presented a counterargument, logic took over. Anyone OTHER than the Joker, it might be considered unprofessional. Side note: i love how this is EVIL Harley, not the "manic pixie hero wannabe" that has become so popular to the point it was practicly a running gag in Injustice.

​@@alexsolomon8127 the Suicide Squad game is about to ruin that, sadly

Shoehorned writing, Jason wasn’t a thing in the Arkham verse until knight

@@billyboleson2830You know what the word shoehorned means?

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@@billyboleson2830 you should have watch the link that I put lad. Jason was already in the Arkham Asylum... a fucking game that has being developed since 2008.

@@eetfuk3571 It's not an intentional reference, no. I highly doubt that Rocksteady had planned out the story for the third game by that point, and if they had I'm sure there would have been more clues. In my opinion the whole plot twist in Arkham Knight is executed poorly and there's nothing in the first two games to retroactively justify it.

It’s weird. In every main universe comic, they hate each other and fight (though they do have some respect for each other), but in all other “elseworlds” they get along pretty good (like DCeased, the DCAU comics, etc.)

​​@@dukefaith7799 Yea both of them tend to have a weird relationship between each other for sure. Once they hate each other And fight each other. And in a different continuity they are like mercenary friends 😂.

Both Characters have complicated relationships with everyone,and have habits of being hyper focus of vendettas,like Jason and Joker or Batman,and Deathstroke with who ever he is blaming for the death of his son at the time in a continuity,so i like that the multiverse just tosses a coin to see if they respect or hate each other on different earths

​​@@YoshiNanamiKira Yea same, i love the multiverse And i think DC killed it with how much great they handled their multiverse, i love this concept very much. Hope they will do it justice in the future of DC as Well!

I dont think Jason hates slade as much as Dick does

It aint like that bro, in the Arkhamverse jason was only robin for like 3 months so they werent that close plus joker sent batman a tape of him shooting jason and also when you are in the Asylum in the first game it wouldve been impossible to find him then bc Officer Boles was working for Joker and moving jason around. Its also implied that Joker let some of the guards…have their way with Jason

So while i will say Arkham Jason’s backstory is way more fucked up than the classic Under the Red Hood one, I dont see how Batman treated him so wrong. I can totally see why Jason hates Bruce tho as he was replaced much quicker than in the comics and also he never died, bro was genuinely being tortured for like 3 years 😢

@@ethangilbert4896 fucking arkham batman can't find a dude stuck in an asylum? that too a foster son?

@@dimwitter buddy he thought he was dead why would he look for someone whos dead

@@pinheadnova4953 to find the body? to give him a proper burial? im sorry man but there's really no way around the fact that batman just didn't care all that much about jason in the arkhamverse

Well its probably not canon to the arkham verse but in Comics Deathstroke was once given a job to kill the joker And due to jokers plot armor.... Joker won against Deathstroke... 😂.

@@Temple277 What are these writers on

​​​​@@Xx_MelonLord_xX Yea its called deathstroke the terminator #58, in that comic DS had blue suit or something like that, ik that its weird😂.

@@Temple277 I don't think a lot writers know how to write deathstroke i mean Judas contact exists

​​​@@Xx_MelonLord_xX I mean if u didnt liked it then Deathstroke written by christopher priest also exists, imo Best version of DS period, really recommend for u to get the omnibus of Deathstroke written by christopher priest!

I mean, on multiple iterations deathstoke know his identity, is just that is not on his interest to make it public

It's less generous, more pragmatic on the jokers part. He's trying to turn Jason into a weapon to kill batman; and what good is a gun that doesn't have all its parts?

@@theredheadrevolution4156 naw they gotta lock you up bro, joker ass comparison 😭 that shit sounded straight out of a comic

@@madeuinheavan108 I chose to take that as a compliment. The last part I mean XD

1st thing this video gets wrong is that, jason mentions that he was tortured 'over a year' in Arkham Knight

now onto Jasons torture... Jason did have his fingersnails and toenails removed and was constantly beaten to a pulp by everyone thar was willing to torture Jason... it is mentioned in Arkham VR that he was r3ped but it definitely wasn't ONCE... someone said on a reddit post that he was also sodomised constantly not to mention the popular torture method that joker used was barb wiring jason to the chair so that it can fuck up his skin

Iirc, Joker convinced batman that Jason was already dead, hence why he was never found. Still doesn't explain why batman didn't try to recover the body

@@pixelizeddummy2031 because then the plot wouldn’t happen 😂

@@billyboleson2830 fair

@@pixelizeddummy2031 Joker LITERALLY sent a video of Jason being shot and “killed” on camera for Batman shortly after Jason went missing, Bruce thought he was dead, the only reason Jason was alive is cause of the extra body armor joker gave him so he could torture him some more

@@joshuasatterwhite9520yeah sure. Doesn’t explain why he wouldn’t try to find the body so he could bury his son.

if you played the Batgirl DLC in the Arkham Knight, you will discover that harley was already at that stage despite the comic. Driving a grieving father to suicide while using his daughter's disease in order to help joker get a theme park.

@@whocaresidontfuckoff I know... I mean, even at Arkham Asylum, she never shows any kind of remorse for how she was torturing Gordon, add the Batgirl DLC and there's really no way you can srsly redeem this Harley... SSKJL really makes less and less sense, they should have just said it won't be canon for the Arkham timeline and I would be totally fine tbh

She was crazy before, but after Joker died she completely lost it and it shows in the Harley Quinn’s Revenge DLC in Arkham City. Though it was really fun to play as Harley as a villain in Arkham Knight instead of the anti-hero version we’ve been getting nowadays.

Now that the game is out, holy hell. Such a contrived story making her an anti-hero and having her kill the Arkham universe's Batman was the absolute worst thing the writers could have done.

Really? So he seas that Batman wronged him, so he goes on a war that gets hundreds of people killed and risk the lives of all batman allies

You weren’t paying attention were you? Nobody would even think to check there. For all Batman knows, Jason could be anywhere. Everyone seeing the Arkham Knight twist coming doesn’t mean it’s bad. The fact rocksteady lied and said it’s a new character is a flimsy excuse for hating it because it’s an external factor and has nothing to do with the twist itself. People just can’t criticize this game correctly.

@@MistahJ1940 Either way, the game story still sucks ass.

@@cjleehaze Why does it suck ass?

​@@cjleehaze Still lots better than whatever 'Gotham Knights' was

​@@cjleehazeNo it didn't you just can't understand shit correctly

He's DC Punisher ( even though they won't let him be ) so yeah, very tough.

@@theoutlawking9123 Facts bro I'm with you there ✅

@@theoutlawking9123 Here is something Jason Todd fans don’t understand. Ya’ll give credit to him for something he never did. He is all about “killing people that deserve it” but Jason will never canonically kill any major villain that matters for the same reason why the Gotham Government never kills the joker or why Batman never kills the joker. At least Batman is consistent and never kills anyone. While Jason only kills unimportant henchmen that are just doing their jobs and never someone that matters.

Joker was already dead. Harley Quinn was practically a mubling mess. It was Batman he was looking for.

@@burgerbandit3646 I mean in general, not just the Arkham universe.

​@@burgerbandit3646Joker wasn't dead yet. Jason escaped on the night that Arkham Asylum took place, Joker died at the end of Arkham City which that game took place a year after Asylum. So Jason could have killed him if he wanted to but Joker messed with his mind so much that he hated Batman more than Joker.

Cause remember Jason was brainwashed to think that Batman was the true enemy. He only cared about eventually killing Batman. Plus he probably knew that Joker was dying already.

@@holymoly-ii6of Agreed! Finally someone gets it. Yeah I have a lot of respect for the character too. But like you say he doesn't fit in the vanilla Gotham continuity. He would be the perfect character to do a one-off story with. Like DC zombies or, _x_ Kills the DC universe.

Nah, he's a whiny little bitch

"oh no, joker has tortured me for a year, I'll cope by blaming Batman who didn't know I was still alive." Yeah, being pointlessly edgy is totally cool.

man i dont blame him he went through hell and bruce is literally the worlds greatest detective and still couldnt find him. On top of that he literally replaced him

@@ddyuhduhbdugsbyxhudnsugs9840 Being the world's greatest detective doesn't make you clairvoyant. and Todd himself was a replacement for Dick Grayson. Your mental issues should never be someone else's problem. this guy is so smart and collected that he comes up with a complex masterplan to takeout the freaking batman, but I'm supposed to believe he was simultaneously too unstable to seek professional help? and that with all those smarts he still fell for the Joker's bait? it's just the writers trying too hard to justify him becoming a villain.

@@tremendousyeet3467seek professional help? He was tortured for a YEAR! You can’t fix that with some therapy sessions that will always be a part of him.

so technically batman is deathstroke step brother since jason basically bruice adopted son... crazy to think about

I don't know what comic you're reading but Jason and Slade are definitely NOT FRIENDS.

You're thinking of elseworld continuities. In the main continuity the writers force Jason and Slade to be enemies, regardless of how nonsensical it is. "Deathstroke vs. Red Hood" is a very popular matchup in comics.

Well, not in the Arkhamverse

In world where everything is made up, anything can happen for no reason at all.

how could you think he was dead when he's alive later

@@greenarrow3756Lazarus pit

@@Mawhinz People have this misconception that he died. Arkham Jason never died, there was no body and he never when ti the pitt

This is tame compared to what Harley has done in other comics though 💀

@@IronLordEXO I heard she tried to blow up a group of children in one, and made a boyfriend wear the Joker's face while they made out in another. Eugh. 🤢 Poison Ivy sometimes suffers shock value revamps, too. Like when she's an actual voraphile picking up randos from clubs just to feed them to her plants. 😫👎 I guess it's a good thing you can just kind of pick and choose whichever version makes the most sense to you, since there are so many writers. Like, I liked how in The Dark Prince Charming she has an agreement with the Joker that they don't hurt kids or little old grannies.

One thing I hate about Batman is how he always tries to make out that Harley's just "another one of Joker's victims" when she's doing shit like this. Nah, fuck that

@@thehumblepotatoreborn9313 In both cases the writers are attributing too much to Joker's power and not enough to the person's own feelings and motivations. Harley is based on women who fall in love with serial killers. People who have a bizarre positive draw to serial killers are like that in part because they associate power with violence. It's safe to say when Harley does crimes with Joker, it's not just to please him, but because she, too, gets a thrill out of wielding that kind of power over people, and sees the Joker as an integral means to accessing it.

@@ashleyshanks6821 Absolutely.

It won't be as good with scarecrow, you can't just throw hush cause he just a normal guy for deathstroke and jason , and without scarecrow the plot of joker will be so small and he won't be a theart , What i wanted was the court of owls as the main enemy cause it will be logical more and the ending will be the same they will unmaske him than while they brainwashing him joker will break free then stopped at the last second and let's don't forget nightwing will get kidnapped same as oracle, hell that's better

Yeah, Rocksteady's writers absolutely dropped the ball with that game. The whole studio did, but what the writers did was on another level, absolute disrespect to this universe's characters.

Officer Balls >

When does he do that in the Arkham verse? He throws her around and arrests her

Deathstroke is definitely an underutilized and underappreciated character outside of the comics. He should be as big a name as the Joker imo. It's been shown time and time again how perfect of a foil he is to Bruce, he'd make a fantastic live action Batman villain.

@Lt Krunchye ?

Sexual?

thats gay

Nah, not even Joker would stoop that low

Nope

@@thefollower2933 it actually does. I just read the comics a week ago, it was implied there that Joker's thugs are being sent to Jason by The Joker to "play with him".

Dude went through the most messed up stuff imaginable lol I’d expect him to be a tad shaky.

Because plot

@@billyboleson2830 fair 😂

I’m glad someone finally pointed this out. He been sitting in a chair for a year how is he muscular? He hasn’t fought in a year or trained or even ate properly.

Comic book logic. Heroes can’t lose there appearance even if it makes no sense

I couldn't care less if it's canon or not as long as the story is good.

It does add more context to the game even if it isn't 100% canon. For example, it explains how Jason allied with Deathstroke, when he escaped Arkham Asylum, etc.

@@joaquincasascortes624 It also shows Jason killing Bane which doesn't line up with the games where it is explained that Bane goes back to reclaim Santa Prisca.

@@The_Phantasm What events are and aren't canon are up to the interpretation of the reader. You could also say any events or products outside the trilogy made by Rocksteady aren't canon. I still take with a grain of salt any product outside of the "main" canon mady by Rocksteady (be it games, movies, comics, etc), but these help to expand the Arkham universe even more.

​​​@@joaquincasascortes624 Tbh i dont care whats canon or not since i Just want to experience a good story. But there is a video on yt abt arkham verse canon with the material we got from The arkham verse, really recommend it. Yes ik its not official canon but its a good interpretation of what makes the most sense to be in arkham verse canon. Although some stuff really doesnt make any sense in that canon, but it is a canon that at least has some truths to it.

Yeah but he would still look for a body. So much about Jason in knight doesn't work because he doesn't actually die and jokers already dead

or he's just a big boy even though he was still young. gifted genetics I should say.

​@@eetfuk3571bs. These comics are not canon. Its that simple.

Except all those times he lost to Ra’s, Hush, Bane, and others 😂

@@MILDMONSTER1234 he always wins at last like in tdkr he lost to bane he went to that prison HE LITERALLY didn't train and came back to beat bane like how?

@@Shelby-bo5ym>Makes a broad general claim >Someone retorts with instances where it is not true >”Okay but in the end, he wins because he is batman!” Media literacy is dead, and your comment proves it.

@@twenty-fifth420 he seriously wins because of plot armor it's annoying man

Something soemthing brainwashing it’s still dumb

He shows up in arkham origins and arkham knight

Nah the Harley Quinn from the Arkham Universe is out for fucking blood. Unlike her Batman TAS iteration which, while still evil, she still had a chance of being redeemed, and basically only followed Joker because she had given up everything else in her life and basically only had him, or modern comics Harley which has basically become an Anti hero at this point since she realised how horrible Joker actually is and made sure to leave him when she could, Arkham Harley is straight up sadistic, she only cares about the joker and is just as crazy as him, she takes any opportunity she can to torture or threaten Joker's goons, doesn't show even a hint of regret for her actions, and there's not even one moment where she shows any slight possibility of being redeemed (besides in Assault on Arkham, I guess, but Harley in that movie was clearly written to be more similar to the Harley of the main continuity, so I don't really count it) and even after Joker died she literally continued his legacy, and kept up literally doing horrible stuff just to "honor" him. She's meant to be irredeemable in this universe.

@@thefollower2933 Injustice Harley helped killed a lot of people. So did New 52. She’s not “misunderstood” she’s evil, and everyone treats her like she’s “quirky”. She deserves no mercy and should’ve been offed awhile ago. People just like the comedy relief, which is annoying at this point, and she’s hot. I mean even characters that I like, ie Vegeta in DBZ, are too evil to be redeemed, and they can wish all his murders away!

Lol this is exactly what I've been saying. No excuses for her actions! Yet the fan base will do mental gymnastics to excuse the fact that Harley has brutally killed and tortured innocent people. They do the same thing for Jinx from Arcane, she blows up a police station and still feel sorry for her

@@thegeneral2000 Glad I’m not the only one who thinks this way. There’s been a weird shift in comics since the 80s - 90s where being directly involved in mass homicide is seen as “quirky”. Back when Red Hood was still lethal he should’ve offed Quinn awhile ago. How does Batman look at her and not get filled with rage? A lot of my favorite characters are part of the 2nd chance club. But there’s no redeeming her.

@@NoHateLikeChristianLoveThat is pretty hateful. If we are being practical, Harley is mentally ill. She has done bad, sure. But tbh, so have some gray anti heros who were in more stable mental faculties then her. It is also usually at the behest of Joker she does those things. I mean, come on? I understand if you dont like her, but this is comics. Good and Evil are themselves the constructs. And if Harley is evil, just because she mostly following a madman and has been shown in other universes to be ‘okay’, I am sure she is only evil because of the Joker. And the writers who happen to work with the Joker but beside the point. That all said, I don’t think she deserves to be offed. No, seriously. That is just cruel. Honestly, that itself seems evil. Evil for evil is just one eye for an eye makes the world blind kind of thing. And yeah, I kind of think she can be evil, but she doesnt ‘have’ to be. Like how Batman can be good, but doesnt have to be (Owlman exists.) Edit: Lol, bringing up Vegeta is also hilarious. Redemption is impossible and irrelevant. Otherwise, by your strict moral standard, evil can never be undone even if a magical dragon fixes it. Or a character has a change of heart. or sacrifices themselves to save a universe or whatever else. Like, how **black and white** .It is a rather simple, fallacious world view.

he never knew that jason was in Arkham Asylum.... its still insane that batman didn't notice since he literally has security footage of arkham asylum and would notice something off if one of the guards scheduling isn't right... but it all happened under the wing of Arkham Asylum.. as Joker himself said "So, how do you keep a secret from the world's greatest detective? Well, do you know? You stick it right in front of him, right under his long, pointy nose... and wait!"

He thought jason was dead

There are places Batman is not allowed to enter in the asylum. Jason was being kept in an abandoned wing. Meaning there’s no blueprints or schematics for it.

@@Pres100 he’s the type to want the corpse

Thanks! It’s the museum OST from Batman Arkham City. My music for these vids are always in the description for future reference!

The plot apparently

Batman didn't even think to ask them for help? IS HE STUPID?

Because it’s damage control

@@billyboleson2830 it's canon n non canon at the same time, like captain boomerang dies in the genesis comic and he's alive in the Arkhamverse... Like wtf