Ally debates the pseudo-academic misfit who first proposed that Allah is a "moon god." Watch what happens.
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@CarlThaOccultist11 жыл бұрын
I'm still faithful to jesus
@swiftspy10 жыл бұрын
Shabir was the best here, no matter how low and disrespectful his opponent was. Every aspects raised against Quran can and was already raised by atheists and non believers. It is a mistake to reject Islam as a false religion... like some jews rejected Jesus.
@shamounian13 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral Wow, yes he did, and so did I. Morey PWNED Ally in this debate. All Ally did was constantly change topics and attack the Bible, as opposed to directly answering Morey's objections which were raised in the debate. And it wasn't Morey who acted like a 10 year old, but Ally who kept whining like a little baby. And thank you for posting this debate since I now added it to my channel in my favorite list. :-)
@shamounian13 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral is he still around? And if so do you have his contact information? Thanks.
@NotLokeyy12 жыл бұрын
The Muslims say that Ally won the debate while the Christians say that Morey won the debate. But it was plain to see that one man set up his propositions according to the debate title, while the other went off topic in many areas and did not establish his position in response. The debate may not be a sign of who is smarter, but Morey won this one nevertheless.
@UmairKhan-qc8xe11 жыл бұрын
I love your videos and viewpoints, your arguments are so well researched and logical that it gives motivation and hope when it comes to fighting extremism. May Allah bless you and grant you the greatest reward for all your efforts, Ameen.
@mishshoghlak40059 жыл бұрын
Guys like Morey, keep lying until they believe their own lies!!
@isaacismail21739 жыл бұрын
I watched the entire debate, Dr MOREY has proven himself to NOT be a man of intellectual integrity. For evidence check this, in reference to Moon God the speaker ALI at 1:22:09 stated “MAKKANS DID NOT WORSHIP THE MOON GOD”; but later MOREY in his address baldly misquoted and falsified ALI’s account by claiming at 1:26:32 that “ALI ADMITTED THAT MOON GOD WAS WORSHIPED IN MAKKAH”. MOREY then at 1:37:45 offered five dollars for anyone that shows MOREY misquoting or falsifying. MOREY owes everyone that views this $5 each! At 1:59:40 ALI corrects MOREY on falsifying the quote; and yes ALI as you said the tapes are available and it is plain for all to see. Well Done! SHAME on you MOREY!
@tjnobleman956810 жыл бұрын
According to Wikipedia of Dr. Maurey' bio, there entries stating and quote : A good deal of controversy surrounds Morey's abilities and qualifications as the pastor of Faith Community Church in Orange County, California. He has been accused of both illegal and immoral behavior. On October 2008, F.I.R.E (Fellowship of Independent Reformed Evangelicals) asked Morey to resign
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
@amuslima99 Salaam sister. The more they repeat their lies, the more we must repeat the Truth--- "Do not worship the sun or the moon, but worship Allah Who created them." (Qur'an 41:37)
@thezamsham9 жыл бұрын
Shabbir ally is more patient, polite, & respectful & to the point.GOD BLESS U Shabbir ally. The opponent inspite of claiming holy spriit in them cant show respect.
@shamounian13 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral Yes I am Sam Shamoun However, you don't know me enough, but only know what other Muslims tell you. I never say that every debate ends with Christians wiping the floor with the Muslims. In fact, I can honestly tell you that Shabir Ally, Jamal Badawi, Ahmad Deedat, and Zakir Naik have won the majority of their debates. The only time I think that Badawi and Shabir did bad was with Morey, Craig, and Labib Mikhail.
@mishshoghlak40059 жыл бұрын
Have any one noticed what the priest has said at the end of the video 2:50:46 ?? He said "salam allah!" which means the peace from Allah!!, after all what Morey said about Allah is the god of the moon!!. You see Morey, your own religion man call god Allah, i wish to see your face at that moment!!
@fatima4Allah10 жыл бұрын
This man did no justice for the good and rightous Christians in the world.
@TheGiantKiller89 жыл бұрын
***** Jews would say the 'Christian god' is a false man-god and they reject Jesus(as) the way you slander Islam they to say same about you. Muslims only care of what God thinks about us not what jews-Christians think. We believe in Jesus(as) and all the Prophets and we fallow the Laws. And there is a day of judgement for a reason. ‘And they say, ‘None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.’ These are their wishful beliefs. Say, ‘Produce your evidence if what you say is true!’ Nay, whosoever surrenders his whole being unto God, and is a doer of good, shall have his reward from his Lord; on them shall be no fear, neither shall they sorrow.’ (Quran 2: 111-12)
@TheGiantKiller89 жыл бұрын
***** Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their way of life. Say: "The Guidance of God,- that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against God. QURAN 2:120 Jews-Christians have rejected God and left the Torah-Gospel and they wish Muslims would do the same. Its why only the Muslims today obey Gods laws. Prayer, fasting, no pork, circumcision, no intox, women cover hair, etc
@TheGiantKiller89 жыл бұрын
smashmouth1001 Careful insulting the final messenger mentioned in bible 50 plus times to come including by Name it only hurts you not him. Such insults to Gods messengers only secures place in hell does not hurt him
@TheGiantKiller89 жыл бұрын
Many christians are good people but MOrey is a human devil Bring me any of his arguments he constantly lies and inserts fake words. Just give me any of his arguments. He is a satanic liar their are Christians like James white and william craig who are more honest in debating. This evil liar Morey for example replaces the word 'thigh' in a hadith to a perverted word THAT HE KNOWS IS A CLEAR LIE. “Say: ‘Verily, those who invent a lie against God will never be successful’” [Quran 10:69]
@TheGiantKiller89 жыл бұрын
Taqiya is Iranian belief sherlock. No where in Quran is it found. Its shia iranian belief who like the Christians claim 'ali' is 'god' while you say Prophet Jesus(as) is 'god' and they left the Quran as you left the Gospel. As for marriages of the past it was social norm in the past their was no 'age 18' marriage even among christians. Marry her self was 12 when she concieved Jesus(as) so are you going to insult your God? And we don't slander any Prophet while christians curse the final messenger much.
@okidermawan220010 жыл бұрын
I just wanna say : Dr. Morey is the worst in quotes. isn't it?
@arshadrana577410 жыл бұрын
I thought David Wood was the biggest liar in Christianity, but I was wrong,its actually Morey, he gets exposed every minute and still maintains his innocence. He repeatedly lied about about what Shabir said only minutes earlier.AMAZING.How can anyone take Morey for anything but a joke.Its obvious to me no religious person would stoop this low because we have to answer for it.David Wood please stand down because the new king is here
@RemembranceOfAllah13 жыл бұрын
@shamounian The other moderator was Sam Fanous, a Coptic Christian.
@SuperKosovoman12 жыл бұрын
tobygeral, they say the more you live the more you learn, I have never thought I'll see such a comments neither. I do appreciate for this video, great info. I love it. May Allah be pleased with you.
@Rohilla31313 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral Yes, interesting point there tobygeral. I suppose then, that when Jesus supposedly cried out "Elohi, Elohi, lema sabachthani?" on the cross he was crying out to a pagan moon god?
@exposemyfoes12 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral jazakallah bro,do u know where i can get hold of some copies of this debate and dr badawi's debate with robert morey
@shamounian13 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral Moreover, your comment that Morey ignored the connection with the name el and its implications tells me that you really didn't pay attention to the debate since he did address it. In fact, this again is confirmation of what Morey stated concerning Ally's straw man arguments. Even one of Shabir's quotes proved that Morey was right, since it confirmed that the Allah of the Meccans started out as a pagan deity which Muhammad then transformed into the one true God of all.
@jayd4ever8 жыл бұрын
in this the Muslim was being more respectful than the Christian was other times it is the Muslim being rude
@boshirmh0079 жыл бұрын
i feel sorry for christians they have nothing to look forward to in heaven, it sounds so dull, this is probably why christianity has been in decline for the last 60 years, at least muslims got something to look forward to in paradise. christianity sacraficed there eternal life for this life, and muslims sacraficed some of this life for the next life in paradise. just imagen booking a holiday flight, where would you rather pick, out of the two destination? if you are honest to yourself than you will pick paradise.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
Islam confesses that Jesus was "the Christ" ("al-Maseeh" in Arabic), which means that he was God's special anointed one (it *doesn't* mean that he is God Himself; it means he is God's anointed). Islam also believes that Jesus was a human Prophet who came and existed in human flesh. So by the biblical criteria given above, Islam is not anti-Christ, but pro-Christ. Those people whoever that teach something that Christ did not teach (eg. the Trinity) can truly be called anti-Christ.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
How odd if Muhammad (peace be upon him) wished for people to worship the moon, and yet he recited the following verse of the Qur'an: "Do NOT worship the sun or the moon, but worship Allah (God) Who created them." (Qur'an 41:37). The above verse will be used as evidence against you on the Day of Judgement. Be prepared to defend your lies against Islam when you meet your Maker. Good luck explaining that verse!
@jandom90085 жыл бұрын
He is just a fool. Bro.
@jandom90085 жыл бұрын
Deaf blind will never find the truth
@791isaiah10 жыл бұрын
I believe in Judaism but I think Islam follow also the God of Abraham and Christianity is paganism
@Cypherus219 жыл бұрын
Jewish Talmud is vile against Christians and Muslims. Jews rejected God in the Flesh, out of their own ignorance.
@romeostojka72329 жыл бұрын
So how can call as pagans when we worship Yahweh the same God like you
@Cypherus218 жыл бұрын
Armando Santos Christians also believe Allah has no Children. Christians believe God became a man in the form of Jesus to teach us how to get into heaven. Jesus referred to himself as a son so it would make sense for us. Jesus numerously indicated him and the Father were one - no son.
@romeostojka72328 жыл бұрын
LiftedX No. Christian believe We are his children. both NT AND OT. and Jesus is son of God before even the creation of earth he had eternal relationship with father. thats why Christians believe his son of God. Jesus is one with the Father because his God. one God Yahweh can be in three persons. i mean look at Mark 14:62 priest ask him are you son of blessed one Jesus replied “I am, said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.” So God does have Children and Jesus is son of God Isaiah 63:16 says our Father that Yahweh is our father. so no what you said is every thing wrong. the Idea Allah has no Children is from Islamic beliefs only
@Cypherus218 жыл бұрын
Armando Santos Sounds like you are pushing Jewish mysticism to me. Here is Jesus claiming he was God in the Flesh: "I and the Father are One." "Before Abraham was, I am" "From now on, you do know him and have seen him!" "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" Then Paul: "you must worship Christ as Lord of your life." Yahweh is the Jewish interpretation of God. Jesus is the correct representation of God. God of Jesus: "God is love." (1 John 4:16) Yahweh: "Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man" (Num. 31:17) God of Jesus: "Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me." (Mark 9:37) Yahweh: "Put to death men and women, children and infants" (1 Sam. 15:2-3) The Jewish God and Allah are very similar. The God of Christians is not. Are you sure you are worshiping the correct God?
@shamounian13 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral Can you provide some substantiation for your claim that the Pakistani Christian community were disappointed by his performance when he was in Toronto?
@osamakhattab86959 жыл бұрын
بارك الله فيك د. علي شبير
@mdsoulionline9 жыл бұрын
i really don't get what the big deal is, why can't we just accept all 3, the old, the new and the last testament.
@banaresali10 жыл бұрын
Robert Morey, the deceitful one...playing with words and telling such lies, misquoting ( giving false information) and then saying "I quoted what was actually in the book" how childish, like how a child would justify a lie...He was proved wrong, the whole debate can be disproved with the one verse by Mr Ally where the Qur'an forbids worship of any one or any thing besides Allah!
@banaresali10 жыл бұрын
Bob Edgar Lol, of course when you "compare and assume the Bible is correct 100%) as obviously you do, then in your opinion, the Qu'ran would "disprove" itself. Unfortunately my fellow internet interneter, this not the method one uses to validate a text or source of information...You have to read the text in question and scrutinize it for its claims and authenticity... The Qur'an is telling us clearly that Isaah (Jesus) was not crusified. Personaly I would be quite shocked that "God" could be killed, or God's Son would be killed in such a manner....It just does not make any sense at all...You do know that there is not a single verse anywhere in the Bible, where you hear Jesus (pbuh) HIMSELF claiming to be God or the Son of God ( authubilla- I seek refuge in God)..on the contrary, I read Jesus fell to the ground in prostration, His head on the floor and "prayed" to..err God? do you want to explain this? and when He is addressed as being Good, he replies by saying no one is good but the Lord..so whats going on here??? The whole thing makes no sense and seriously confuses the reader...the only way around this is to "ignore" these verses.
@banaresali10 жыл бұрын
Bob Edgar Sorry, but there are so many "versions" of the Bible, so many errors, so many contradictions, so many unscientific facts..I wouldnt and couldnt trust it.
@sturlaorarson44119 жыл бұрын
You are a funny man.
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
To repeat my question... please scientifically explain how *consciousness* (our awareness) emanated from non-consciousness (something that was unaware). Also, where did the big bang come from? If I heard a big bang outside my house right now, I would investigate to see what caused the noise.
@RemembranceOfAllah13 жыл бұрын
@shamounian That's because you have a habit of using crude and vulgar language towards the Prophet of Islam. If you don't do that and you come in peace and with respect, you'll be met with peace and respect. James White and Dr. William Lane Craig are good examples to follow.
@sitti_dove547610 жыл бұрын
hahaha, morey, it's better be humble and admit you violated one of the ten commandments which is lying.... Maybe Allah would be merciful if you will do so, and will guide you into his straight path....
@sitti_dove547610 жыл бұрын
Victor Constantin Try to read this and see if your Christianity today was not charted through a course of man-made doctrine... TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17, 2006 What Really happened at Nicea? The Players Alexander of Alexandria: Bishop of Alexandria. Said Christ was the 'same substance' as the Father. Convened a council of bishops from Egypt and Libya to anathematize Arius and excommunicate him and his followers. Athanasius: served as a deacon at the Council of Nicaea. He was strongly opposed to Arianism. He helped the Council decide against Arianism, and was later exiled. Constantine: Emperor of Rome. He called the Council of Nicaea to settle the dispute over Arianism. He was the Emperor who recognized Christianity as a legal religion and later tried to make it the state religion. Eusubius, Bishop of Nicomedia and a supporter of Arius, would later baptize Constantine. Contrary to popular Christian myth, Constantine was a pagan and was baptized on his deathbed. He also never really made Christianity a state religion because Christians couldn't even agree on anything. The power grab of the pagan Trinitarians would be completed after his death. From Brittanica.com, "In his theological interpretation of the idea of God, Arius was interested in maintaining a formal understanding of the oneness of God. In defense of the oneness of God, he was obliged to dispute the sameness of essence of the Son and the Holy Spirit with God the Father, as stressed by the theologians of the Neoplatonic influenced Alexandrian school. From the outset, the controversy between both parties took place upon the common basis of the Napoleonic concept of substance, which was foreign to the New Testament itself. It is no wonder that the continuation of the dispute on the basis of the metaphysics of substance likewise led to concepts that have no foundation in the New Testament--such as the question of the sameness of essence (homoousia) or similarity of essence (homoiousia) of the divine persons." It was 325 A.D. at Nicaea that the doctrine of the Trinity was rammed through by Athanasius (using Mafia tactics) in a Council that was overseen by the Emperor Constantine who, ironically enough, thought of himself as God-incarnate. (Constantine was a Sun Worshiper and only made an official conversion to "Christianity" on his deathbed). Roman coins of the period still portrayed the image of the sun God despite the alleged sudden adoption/conversion of Christianity. Many of those present at the Council Of Nicaea were opposed the doctrine of the Trinity, siding with Arius. Even after the Nicene Creed, the Trinity was still hotly debated for decades and centuries after. A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHURCH AFTER NICAEA 325 AD - Constantine convenes the Council of Nicaea in order to develop a statement of faith that can unify the church. The Nicene Creed is written, declaring that "the Father and the Son are of the same substance" (homoousios). Emperor Constantine who was also the high priest of the pagan religion of the Unconquered Sun presided over this council. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica: "Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions and personally proposed the crucial formula expressing the relationship of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, `of one substance with the Father'." Quoting Bruce L. Shelley, a writer for Christian History, we read: "The Council of Nicea, (was) summoned by Emperor Constantine and held in the imperial palace under his auspices. Constantine viewed the Arian teachings-that Jesus was a created being subordinate to God-as an ‘insignificant’ theological matter. But he wanted peace in the empire he had just united through force. When diplomatic letters failed to solve the dispute, he convened around 220 bishops, who met for two months to hammer out a universally acceptable definition of Jesus Christ. "The expression homo ousion, ‘one substance,’ was probably introduced by Bishop Hosius of Cordova (in today’s Spain). Since he had great influence with Constantine, the imperial weight was thrown to that side of the scales. . . . As it turned out, however, Nicea alone settled little. For the next century the Nicene and the Arian views of Christ battled for supremacy. First Constantine and then his successors stepped in again and again to banish this churchman or exile that one. Control of church offices too often depended on control of the emperor’s favor." The American Academic Encyclopedia states: "Although this was not Constantine's first attempt to reconcile factions in Christianity, it was the first time he had used the imperial office to IMPOSE a settlement." "The Emperor Constantine himself is said frequently to have appeared without his imperial state, and, with neither guards nor officers around him, to have mingled in the debate, and expressed his satisfaction at their unanimity, whenever that rare virtue adorned their counsels. For Constantine, though he could give protection, could not give peace to Christianity. . . . Momentous questions, which, up to that time, had been entirely left to a small intellectual aristocracy, had been calmly debated in the villa of the Roman senator or the grove sacred to philosophy, or discussed by sophists whose frigid dialectics wearied without exciting the mind, had been gradually brought down to the common apprehension. The nature of the Deity; the state of the soul after death; the equality of mankind in the sight of the Deity -- even questions which are beyond the verge of human intellect; the origin of evil; the connexion of the physical and moral world had become general topics; they were, for the first time, the primary truths of a popular religion, and naturally could not withdraw themselves from the alliance with popular passions. . . . The first civil wars which divided Christianity were those of Donatism and the Trinitarian controversy." --History of Christianity, vol. ii., pp. 295, 296. At the end of this council, Constantine sided with Athanasius over Arius and exiled Arius to Illyria. 328 AD - Athanasius becomes bishop of Alexandria. 328 AD - Constantine recalls Arius from Illyria. 335 AD - Constantine now sides with Arius and exiles Athanasius to Trier. 337 AD - A new emperor, Contantius, orders the return of Athanasius to Alexandria. 339 AD - Athanasius flees Alexandria in anticipation of being expelled. 341 AD - Two councils are held in Antioch this year. During this council, the First, Second, and Third Arian Confessions are written, thereby beginning the attempt to produce a formal doctrine of faith to oppose the Nicene Creed. 343 AD - At the Council of Sardica, Eastern Bishops demand the removal of Athanasius. 346 AD - Athanasius is restored to Alexandria. 351 AD - A second anti - Nicene council is held in Sirmium. 353 AD - A council is held at Aries during Autumn that is directed against Athanasius. 355 AD - A council is held in Milan. Athanasius is again condemned. 356 AD - Athanasius is deposed on February 8th, beginning his third exile. 357 AD - Third Council of Sirmium is convened. Both homoousios and homoiousios are avoided as unbiblical, and it is agreed that the Father is greater than His subordinate Son. 359 AD - The Synod of Seleucia is held which affirms that Christ is "like the Father," It does not however, specify how the Son is like the Father. 361 AD - A council is held in Antioch to affirm Arius' positions. 380 AD - Emperor Theodosius the Great declares Christianity the official state religion of the empire. 381 AD - The First Council of Constantinople is held to review the controversy since Nicaea. Emperor Theodosius the Great establishes the creed of Nicaea as the standard for his realm. The Nicene Creed is re-evaluated and accepted with the addition of clauses on the Holy Spirit and other matters. If Nicaea just formalized the prevalent teaching of the church, then why all the conflicts? If it were the established teaching of the church, then you would expect people to either accept it, or not be Christians. It was not the established teaching, and when some faction of the church tried to make it official, the result was major conflict. It was a theological power grab by a faction of the church. A major complication throughout all this was that the emperors were involved and directed the outcome. At Nicaea it was Constantine that decided the outcome. Then we have the flip-flopping of opinion with the result that Athanasius is exiled and recalled depending on who is in power. In 357 AD the declaration that homoousios and homoiousios are unbiblical, and that the Father is greater than His subordinate Son. This is 180 degrees from Nicaea. In 380 AD Emperor Thedosius declares Christianity the state religion. One can come to the conclusion that whichever way Theodosius favors, that is the way in which it is going to end. This is exactly what happened next. In 381 AD the struggle was finally ended by the current emperor, Theodosius the Great, who favored the Nicene position. Just like at Nicaea, the EMPEROR again decided it. The emperors were dictating the theology of the church. Gibbon observes, in his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, chap. xxvii., that: "Theodosius declared his resolution of expelling, from all churches in his dominions, the bishops and their clergy who should obstinately refuse to believe, or at least to profess, the doctrine of the Council of Nice. His lieutenant Sapor was armed with the ample powers of a general law, a special commission, and a military force. . . . In the space of fifteen years, Theodosius promulgated at least fifteen severe edicts against the heretics; more especially against those who rejected the doctrine of the Trinity; and to deprive them of every hope of escape, he sternly enacted that, if any laws or rescripts should be alleged in their favour, the judges should consider them as the illegal productions of either fraud or forgery."
@sitti_dove547610 жыл бұрын
Victor Constantin I cited you above the expose' on how the doctrine of trinity developed in early years of Christianity which I'm sure you don't totally agree if you are a Jehova's witness... However, sad it may seem, yet you must ask yourself, where did you derive your bible translation from? If you are Jehova's witness, I'm sure you know of the concept of paradise, witnessing, and unbelief in crucifixion... Do you know why your doctrine is so different than most Christian denominations? Because your founder got his idea from ISLAM but unable to follow the rules of ISLAM, so Christianity offers the most convenient exit for him... I guess, there are many things you need to unwind for yourself because the thread your trying to pull never hurt me at any point, instead it will choke you if you continue to pull the thread down...Salam!
@sitti_dove547610 жыл бұрын
Victor Constantin you don‘t even understand what quran means...Did you say it‘s a book? Book in arabic is kitab, quran means "the recitation". So, you must be thinking things void of truth and sense that's why, no matter how hard we draw the line to connect, nowhere could we find ourselves in tangent. So continue in what you believe in, as I do with mine. In the end, this is not a race against each others, but rather against our own selves. Salam!
@sitti_dove547610 жыл бұрын
Charles D al quran written in al qitab, are they the same? the speaker and the words spoken, are they the same? But i won‘t wonder because you.guys love confusion... Just like in the book of John, "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God..." What if we replace God with another common name like, "in the beginning was a mooooo, and the moooo was with cow, and the mooo was cow". Get all logicians in the world and let them judge with all sanity. The problem with you people is that, take back if you have the original because it is sane to translate it uf you like in this manner, "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God's". Now does that makes sense people?
@sitti_dove547610 жыл бұрын
SpeedyRemake how credible is your bible to be the criterion for judging whether the quran was wrong in telling that it's the wife of Pharaoh, not the daughter? And you said, it's written history. Which history book other than your Bible can you read that? Otherwise, I can conclude you're one of the liars out there.... Second, I'm not so certain with Haman as far as history is concerned. But your conclusion is doubtful for me. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt, GIVE ME YOUR REFERENCE, which could support your claim that Haman was never in Egypt. Because the absence of details doesn't necessarily mean the proof for its non-existence.... I want you to back up your claim with credible historical record, with unbiased motive....
@RemembranceOfAllah13 жыл бұрын
Actually, the debate is solved by the Arab Christian priest in the last minute of the debate. Please watch it if you haven't already. May the peace of Allah be upon you.
@RemembranceOfAllah10 жыл бұрын
The only proof you've given is that your mind is "mixed up" and confused, hence you have not even understood the little bit of the Qur'an you have read. For example, half of the Qur'an is not abrogated, as you claim. I challenge you to quote me on reputable *Muslim* scholar or source that would claim that. Number 2: The "peaceful" verses are not abrogated, especially not "There is no compulsion in religion" which was revealed in MADINAH, at exactly the time that Muslims had political power.
@4gripp11 жыл бұрын
"IT IS DONE" I invite you to read the Glorious Qur'an and view as many video's on its topics as possible. If you do not see it for yourself, its time for the great divide.. If you can not see truth through falsehood then you are predestined for we'll all find out one day, at least I worship The Creator not the creation. Find out which you worship then correct it, and have peace of mind
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
Good point. Otherwise, we should say that Christians worship a "cross god", "wood god", or "fish god".
@Mr_A1-3712 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral and by the way...there are a variety of translations of the Qur'an as well...is that for me to say that every translation contradicts each other? or assume that every translations has a different story or message? no! that would be completely ignorant for me to say...
@SuperRayaz12 жыл бұрын
No, Shabir was not debating Dr Morey as a person, but he was trying to prove that Morey needs to find a good basis for his quotations and for bashing the Quran. The purpose of a debate is to prove the facts... and that was what Shabir did.
@shamounian13 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral You seem to be a very respectful Muslim, unlike the ones I have had the misfortune of dealing with. And for that I commend you.
@shamounian13 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral I should have known better than to think that a Muhammadan could be respectful or tell the truth. Thanks for proving me wrong.
@JuniorLewingKoo12 жыл бұрын
Christ is threefold High Priest, Prophet and King of the universe. All must come before the judgment seat of Christ, Jews & Gentiles alike. God bless us always.
@julio1433511 жыл бұрын
Man...! you are right
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral So please understand this difference. If another Muslim was reading a Qur'an which omitted 7 surahs that are found in my Qur'an, that would be a different VERSION of the Qur'an. But that is not the case. It is however the case with the Bible. The various canons of the Bible that I mentioned have DIFFERENT BOOKS and different PASSAGES. Big difference.
@muslim61010 жыл бұрын
Morey got destroyed.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's an undeniable fact that before Muhammad, the pagan Arabs still believed in God (Allah) but they also falsely attributed daughters to Him. So they believed that God had daughters. The Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad then taught the Arabs that, no, God has no sons or daughters or brothers or sisters. Read Acts 17:16-34 very carefully and see how Paul does the same thing with the "unknown god" of the Athenians.
@Rifad412 жыл бұрын
اشهد ان لا اله الا الله واشهد ان محمد رسول الله
@123dsj12312 жыл бұрын
It seems easy to fall at Jesus’ feet and call Him “God” than it is to use the Jewish Holy Scriptures to deny His Divinity. We must understand that the Old Testament is the Jewish Holy Book, and the New Testament is the Christian Holy Book. In the Jewish Holy Book of Zechariah 12:10 the God of Abraham and of Moses speaks: “…And I will pour upon…the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of grace…and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced (nailed)…”
@wwurjant6 жыл бұрын
Did I get it right? After 3 hours debating Allah was the moon God, Dr Maurey’s side made a prayer that says “Salam ALLAH ma’akum.” This is insane stupidity
@InfiniteLightRC13 жыл бұрын
Alhamdulillah the truth of God's word the Quran, always shines forth.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
Okay, I removed your response because you posted a dozen verse numbers without telling me which one says that I should cut off the fingers and heads of those non-Muslims who refuse to convert to Islam. I am not about to waste my time on you. Second and last chance-- give us the verse number and please quote the verse.
@RemembranceOfAllah13 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral One more thing, Sam, and then I hope to be done with this. This is sincere advice, so I hope you might consider it. If someone posted vulgarity about God or His Messenger in the comments section of one of my uploaded videos or on my channel profile, I would simply delete it. I would not respond to vulgarity with more vulgarity. It's very simple. This is the advice I have for you, as well as for my fellow Muslim ikhwaan.
@julirensch9 жыл бұрын
interestingly the good Doctor overlooks the fact that Progressive Revelations...are brought to us by Messengers of the Divine...and there have been many! These Revelations come to us mortals (here in the exile of Earth) when we seemingly "need them most". The Buddha...told us "Do not harm" other Messengers, often repeated the same adivice to us.over and over again....as in Jesus and finally Mohammed (pbuh) The book Old Testament with Moses, is now closed, forever..... ditto for the New Testament, which is permanently closed with Jesus.... Jews & Christians are still in waiting for something to happen....pity that they missed the whole idea of Progressive Revelation...where upon Allah (swt) had more to tell us, a message, appropriate for our needs & times, through His final messenger Mohammed (pbuh) It is suffice to say, that our Creator....does, indeed, repeat Himself....through His prophets, as a reminder of what His creations may require (as in children requiring frequent reminders of their behavior) So mote it be! humbly, Observer Jules
@julirensch8 жыл бұрын
Fukuyu Okelah In all things Fukuya, see the good and praise it....or be a perpetual hater, your choice, my choice. May the GAOTU (Grand Architect Of The Universe) continue to watch over you and nurture you! respectfully, Observer Jules
@julirensch8 жыл бұрын
Fukuyu Okelah Salaam Alaikum
@taichiloverdoesbetter82208 жыл бұрын
Jules Rensch wa' alaikum salaam...
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
... a professor (Ally) and a class clown (Morey), really....
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
Woodroe is one of those loving evangelical American Christians. This is his idea of showing love towards Muslims and Catholics.
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
@EchadinYah That would make for a very strong argument against a Jew, not against a Muslim. As a Muslim, I totally acknowledge Jesus as a special brand of creation, a unique agent of God, and hence I am not surprised that God has exalted his status and memory in the minds of humankind. Unfortunately, the exaggerated and extreme claims made about him by Christians were, on the whole, untenable, and have actually led millions of people to *disbelieve* in Jesus by becoming agnostics and atheist
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
No, that's not what my Book says. Please read it.
@SoldierOfTheDeen12 жыл бұрын
So you are saying that God didn't create Jesus but that Jesus was born, I ask you: born out of the result of what if there is a difference, as you claim, between the creation of Adam and the birth of Jesus (peace be upon them all) ? what are you insinuating? Peace bro.
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. So does Islam, since no Muslim believes that the black stone (hajar al-aswad) has any powers to benefit or harm anyone. Whoopsie!
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
The logic behind the question is false. It's like me asking, "How can God take life? That is the exact opposite of what God did in the first place-- CREATE life. How can be both create *and* take away life?" Similarly, the Qur'an contradicting the Bible does not prove the Qur'an false. It could be that the Bible (or parts of it) are false. Although your comment was completely irrelevant to the topic of the video, I still approved it, this time.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
We Muslims are misleading weak hearts? How about yourself? You cite Qur'an 53:19-20. Did you read the next three verses after that? Allah (God) criticizes those who associate daughters with Allah and says that al-Lat, al-Uza, and al-Manat are only NAMES THAT PEOPLE INVENTED (ie. they have no real existence at all).
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
How odd and strange that God would ever sent a Prophet from a race other than the Hebrews..! (I guess that *would* really sound odd to you, if you believe God BECAME a Hebrew man). God guide you.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
"It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half-naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the king-emperor."-- - Winston Churchill, 1930
@Diamondraw4Real11 жыл бұрын
lots of people quote Churchill to express the point that he was a xenophobe.
@shamounian13 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral Since you know Shadab Khokar, di you also know who the other moderator was?
@ramzinabil220111 жыл бұрын
May Almighty Allah bless Shabir Aly. I've never seen him loose a single debate so far!
@RemembranceOfAllah13 жыл бұрын
@alnarweeg92 I think the event began with prayers from both groups, so they both got cut out... except a little bit of the Christian prayer/song.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
Actually, the debate leads to a clear conclusion. It concludes that, whether the Qur'an is Divinely-revealed or man-made, *it does not advocate moon worship or the worship of a moon-god.* I am often surprised at the hollow intellectualism of agnostics or atheists like you. What made you think this debate was about whether the Qur'an is from God or not? Understand the debate topic first, then comment.
@exposemyfoes12 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral did u hear that arab priest at the end lol destroy morey by saying ALLAH LOL
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
How can Muslims debate atheists when atheists avoid the questions and throw out red herrings? If I was going to refuse to be questioned, I wouldn't be debating you. What I asked was that you refrain from derogatory language, which is not part of "reasonable debate". Do you mind answering the question now? Where did the big bang come from? Where did our self-awareness come from?
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
And then there's the fourth group who thinks Robert Morey is a real professor.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
"I do not admit... that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia... by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place." Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937
@jyyad11 жыл бұрын
Luke I would recomend you to listen to Dr. Jerald Dirks graduated from Harvard university on the topic " From Jesus to Mohammad A history of early christianity." That would realy help you to understand Islam.
@latishamalika111 жыл бұрын
how blindness can over take one's heart n not allowed them to see..may Allah guide this poor soul
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
@Erap1muzik Well, there must be something special about a man who has 1 billion people praying for him everyday, 1400 years after his death. No human being in history has had as many prayers said for him as the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Perhaps one day you will come to realize how special and blessed this man was. Allahumma sali `ala Muhammad wa `ala Ale Muhammad!
@RemembranceOfAllah10 жыл бұрын
If you really want to read "mixed up", just go and have some fun with the gospels. Try reading and comparing the Last Supper, Crucifixion, and Resurrection accounts from Mark vs. Matthew vs. Luke vs. John. THAT, my human-worshipping friend, is what I would call mixed up.
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
@tobygeral The Protestants have 66 books in their Bible; the Catholics have 73 books. So either the Protestants changed the Bible by taking something out, or the Catholics changed the Bible by adding something in. Please don't tell me that the Bible being changed is a Muslim conspiracy theory. It is mainstream biblical scholarship. Please read "Forged" and "The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture" by Bart Ehrman. His books will provide you with an even larger reference list of scholars.
@Diamondraw4Real11 жыл бұрын
A crescent ornament, in the bible, is interesting. So, when people have symbols which have nothing to do with basic teachings in their religion, it means what? nothing. :) Lots of christians wear tshirts with pictures of well known figures, or cartoon characters today, this is comparable in our age to what people in the past did with ornaments or other things, like designs on carpets which were popular and reflect the era in which they were produced.PPL don't worship the symbols, except the t.
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
Wrong. I don't want (1) repetition of arguments that have already been addressed by Ally in the video, (2) stupidity that has nothing to do with the video topic, (3) personal abuse, (4) vulgar language. Christians on KZfaq have a habit of posting all 4 items above, therefore the comments are moderated. I've also filtered out Muslims who have used abusive language, so it's a fair-level playing field. Go post up your own video and insult the Prophet as much as you want.
@CBALLEN12 жыл бұрын
Good debate
@Diamondraw4Real11 жыл бұрын
integration being preferable to being "absorbed" which sounds rather sinister if you are a minority who wants equal right to religious tolerance, etc.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
Some people believe that the Pharaoh during the time of Moses was Rameses II, while others believe it was Merenptah. Either way, NEITHER PHAROAH'S BODY WAS FOUND BY THE 7TH CENTURY. The mummified remains of both of these Pharaohs were found much closer to our time. Also, it is not at all "obvious" that the Pharaoh's body should be preserved, especially since he had perished in the sea. Nonetheless, the Qur'an says that his body was saved, and indeed it was.
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
@EchadinYah Strange how you left out the word "ELOH" (the first word used refer to God in the entire Bible-- ELOH-im), but nevermind. There is a difference between a "translation" and a "version". There is one version of the Arabic Qur'an, but different translations in English. In the case of the Bible, however, THERE IS NOT ONE KOINE GREEK VERSION of the New Testament. There are 50 000 Greek manuscripts that disagree with each other.
@IanMcwan4211 жыл бұрын
Choices are all that face you in life, live with them and stop trying to control people with your thoughts.
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
So once I'm educated, I'll become an atheist and believe that something came out of nothing? Consciousness emanated from non-consciousness? You're right-- I need some serious educating before I can understand how CONSCIOUSNESS EMANATED FROM NON-CONSCIOUSNESS. Looking forward to your learned reply which will clarify everything.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
I think Eli is trying to point out that, even if you look at the gospels, you see a picture of a prophet-man crying out to God (not a God-Man crying out to Himself). For Christians, Jesus' last words on the cross are a particular problem, since the gospels have different versions of what Jesus said. According to Matthew, he said what you say he said ("Eli" or "My El"), but according to Mark 15:34, he cried out "ELO-I, ELO-I", which means "My ELOH, my ELOH". "Eloh" of course is a Hebrew word
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
"The central fact which dominates the relations of Jew and non-Jew is that the Jew is 'different.' He looks different. He thinks differently. He has a different tradition and background. He refuses to be absorbed."-- Winston Churchill on Jews. So I now I understand why you would approvingly cite Winston Churchill as a champion of the West. He represents the best of your imperialist, violent, racist, and colonial tradition. Just replace "Jew" in the quote above with "Muslim".
@RemembranceOfAllah13 жыл бұрын
@shamounian Much of it is based on what I've heard, so I wouldn't exactly swear by it. A friend in Toronto told me that a local Christian publication called "Awaz" or "Awaaz" had some type of harsh critique of Morey. There was also a very negative article about him in the "Pakistan Christian Post"; the editor of this latter publication in Canada is James Khokhar, who I think is related to Shadab Khokhar, one of the moderators of the debate. I'm more than open to correction though.
@RemembranceOfAllah11 жыл бұрын
Sure. The spider-web in which we live in is beautiful. But there's no spider who weaved this web. Sure. Enjoy life.
@AbduAllaah12 жыл бұрын
One might say, if 9etorres doesn't have another version of this video, that he clearly sees Shabir as the winner! For he so says, Shabir looks better in the debate.Seeing as how he hasn't replayed in two months.. makes Shabir the winner in his eyes. 9etorres; its plain to view that Shabir has won. No video editing needed. Also really disappointed with the Christian audience.. all those interruptions, shouting.. Is that how good Christians behave in a academic debate?
@791isaiah8 жыл бұрын
Those who say that the God of the Old Testament command the Israelites to kill boy women donkey first please learn Hebrew then read the context . Is like me cherry pick the Koran without context and without knowing Arabic and without historic contexts
@GODTHESOOTHSAYER111 жыл бұрын
Any man made book devised by mankind himself will only present speculation and assertion without result. All of these arguments on either side of the aisle become tactless factless debate without resolution. A constant veil of vertiginous circularity permeates around discussions as this leaving one without any answers in its conclusion.
@Metsada00712 жыл бұрын
There is only one God, there is no "God of Islam". The same God that sent revelations for thousands of years to different tribes and nations.
@rocky07619 жыл бұрын
A good deal of controversy surrounds Morey's abilities and qualifications as the pastor of Faith Community Church in Orange County, California. He has been accused of both illegal and immoral behavior. In October 2008, F.I.R.E (Fellowship of Independent Reformed Evangelicals) asked Morey to resign. They stated that Morey abused his pastoral authority, badly mistreated a good number of his supporters, and he refused to meet with the F.I.R.E. board to discuss these issues. Faith Defenders notified "all who were blessed by Dr. Bob" that the final meeting of Faith Community Church will happen on March 1, 2009. "Dr. Bob will have available for sale, all of his books for your purchase and his personal autograph." There have also been allegations of sexual harassment claims made by a number of female members of his congregation against Morey which to this day have gone unanswered.
@elielias600611 жыл бұрын
some people nowadays applies to them the saying that I point to the moon by my finger to the fool and the fool look at my finger, people are three classes, the first group who search for fighting, so they do not listen at all to the truth, the second, search for what ever fits them, so the pick up what they want and ignore what ever does not match with their desires, the third group, listen, read, think, and understand in order to know the truth
@ahimaniaxxl11 жыл бұрын
i am a Born Again Christian, Mr Morey is just Christian, and the difference between us both is that Some like Mr Morey would run his Mouth and drop his Attitude all around the place for other people to see. From my observation Mr Morey is NOT HOLY SPIRIT LED, if he was then revelation after revelation and blessings after blessing would be flowing out like a river to all ears open to the Word of GOD, not sarcasim, smut, and very very bad impressions of voices, Mr Morey
@zbinabu11 жыл бұрын
To know, the ring at dessert if you dont know where come from...The best answer from who put and create that ring at dessert. To know, why and what purpose mankind in this world...listen from correct sources!!!. God created man for a noble purpose: to worship Him and lead a righteous life based on His commands and guidance to mankind. Mankind learned this by God sending Messengers with clear and practical instructions of the meaning of life and how to worship God properly
@juljulniang636111 жыл бұрын
I see in that video Mr Morey misquoting the speech of Quran infact Mr Shabir is speaking truly
@RemembranceOfAllah12 жыл бұрын
I did not approve/publish your last comment because it was derogatory and insulting. This is typical behaviour on the part of many "educated" atheists when they are backed into a problematic corner. I wonder if this is an exposure of the intellectual and moral backruptcy of your position. I don't know. But you are welcome to re-submit your comment, minus the derogatory comments, and I will be happy to publish it.
@Jaded_Mandarin12 жыл бұрын
A calvinist complaining about Muslims ascribing hyper-sovereignity to God. The irony...