He said "I'm on record as saying that I think valve will save the Linux desktop" And that's exactly what seems to be happening. Kinda crazy.
@cryp0g00n42 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I still have no idea what is Valve
@DenilsonSa2 жыл бұрын
It was said at 10:48, you might want to go back to 09:23 for a bit more context.
@JoshBabin2 жыл бұрын
@@cryp0g00n4 Steam. Gaming.
@tomcooper9061 Жыл бұрын
Outside of the Steamdeck, this still hasn't materialized 8 years after this talk. I'm not holding my breath. ...Actually, Microsoft may be the ones that bring Linux (the kernel) to the desktop by way of merging it with Windows.
@glauco_rocha Жыл бұрын
@@tomcooper9061 Exactly. Which is a superb plot twist on many many levels
@wesleys39056 жыл бұрын
"I didn't really read the guidelines." - the creator of Linux and Git I love this guy. He's brutally honest and what makes him special is how practical he is. It's refreshing to see someone who is technical but sees the system from an average user's perspective.
@wesleys39056 жыл бұрын
Also jeez, these people need to stop arguing with Torvalds about him insulting people. This is about the Linux kernel and it's distributions, not problems with Torvalds.
@user-ezxiao4 жыл бұрын
Linux kernel not all Linux .
@hollohollo72283 жыл бұрын
@@user-ezxiao linux is the kernel
@fungo66313 жыл бұрын
You obviously never saw Terry A. Davis.
@myname8928 Жыл бұрын
Linux OS for the sake of Linux does not make sense... Worst thing is that late version of Ubuntu are broken in new ways.
@andrewfomin47708 жыл бұрын
"If it's a bug people rely on - it's not a bug, it's a feature." What an awesome man
@MamboBean3436 жыл бұрын
maintaining legacy code is _not fun_
@jessehill99935 жыл бұрын
yes but it is necessary. We have shit from the 1970s that works REALLY well with today's stuff and that is amazing. The extent of hardware it all works on is well worth it. I can jump on a Pentium PRO box vs a Core i7 box and run VERY similar software albeit at different speeds, but it not only works, but works well together. The result of your hard work maintaining legacy code cuts down on e-waste drastically. I mean drastically. Legacy is important. @@MamboBean343
@WR3ND5 жыл бұрын
Fork it. Move on. Legacy actual bug support is silly on so many levels. People shouldn't be developing for loophole flaws in the first place, not for stability nor sound functional foundations to build off of. It's legitimately crazy if your goal is making the best OS platform you can. Linux isn't Windows on either side of the spectrum (legacy vs. the socially engineered); it's its own spectrum.
@WR3ND5 жыл бұрын
To clarify, yes, don't break user space functionality, absolutely, but give them the opportunity to move forward in a sound way with relevant warnings upfront, not automatic implementation with only an afterthought. It's proactive programming for a better system potential as a whole vs. complacency.
@jessehill99935 жыл бұрын
Well put. If a loophole can be closed without sacrificing something, it should be done. Documentation is the most important thing above anything else. That way whomever comes after can pick up either where you left off or where you didn't want to go and go where you didn't have the energy while keeping your philosophy in mind. @@WR3ND
@oOrbitZz2 жыл бұрын
"Respect is something that is earned not given". A quality of a real and honest person.
@ajinkyarajput6 жыл бұрын
more respect to linus for defending his thoughts so clearly and Single Handed
@honeymak9 жыл бұрын
i love him being real rather than 'commercialized' fakes/respect
@neuemage5 жыл бұрын
yeah yeah until he bends the knee with politicians claiming "social justice" AKA fascism
@meyimagalot94975 жыл бұрын
@@neuemage Thats his ultra-leftist daughter I guess
@justinbailey24195 жыл бұрын
Its so refreshing, im so tired of robot PR men
@neuemage4 жыл бұрын
@erik masterchef fascism is not exclusive to a political bent
@CraigalFun4 жыл бұрын
that got my respect
@LarsBjerregaard9 жыл бұрын
This Q & A session highlights one of the things I absolutely *admire* about Linus: He is just so goddam practical! Whenever I get the temptation to ignore the actual real world, as it *actually* is, I just need to watch a talk from Linus to get my head straight again. It's not an antithesis to idealism, but when you marry the two you get pragmatism, which at the end of the day tends to produce the best results, methinks.
@machinshin22539 жыл бұрын
Tyler Zambori yup, that's the real world
@Stierguy15 жыл бұрын
He's not practical; he's dogmatic. His adherence to his expressed principles appears to provide more in terms of moral satisfaction than actual utility to the kernel. His fervor about the matter shows that he does not have data by which to demonstrate the utility of his position.
@comedy66312 жыл бұрын
I like your funny words magic man
@CocoCR3003 жыл бұрын
18:39 : "Good evening... so, systemd" "Wow" Made my day xDD
@Misterz3r06 жыл бұрын
From this Q&A, I got that Linus really cares about the users and isn't one of those idiots that thinks having to deal with bugs and difficult installations builds "character"
@milesrout8 жыл бұрын
"I dislike black and white people" - Linus Torvalds, 2014.
@gcxs4 жыл бұрын
he's into asian😂
@zyansheep4 жыл бұрын
Grey people all the way!
@PabloCholaky4 жыл бұрын
@@zyansheep Yellow, like neutral emojis
@PaperBenni4 жыл бұрын
they had us in the first half, not gonna lie
@jimbarino23 жыл бұрын
NBC coverage: "Linus admitted "I dislike black (...) people"
@MaybeFactor8 жыл бұрын
I've seen some of these questions as clips... didn't realise they were at a debian conference... makes the laughter make much more sense.
@magick19699 жыл бұрын
People need to realize that Linus is not a Systems Engineer nor a UNIX engineer. He writes kernel code. People who do this for a living want a machine configured for them.
@kotb20002 жыл бұрын
he actually said that he is a systems programmer lol
@4grammaton7 жыл бұрын
This guy is far from the abrasive/abusive character he's been built up as. He just takes his passion seriously and isn't willing to compromise on the things he finds important. Some of his quotations may seem abusive and arrogant on paper, but when you hear his delivery and the way he speaks, he doesn't appear like that at all, but rather comes off as a down-to-earth person with a sense of humour. He actually looks relatively meek and humble. I've seen people with accomplishments and stations far lesser and lower than his, with an incomparably more inflated sense of ego, and a much more difficult and toxic personality. Linus's insults are far milder than the average level of insults in other professions: I just get the feeling the software development and IT community isn't used to anything outside of completely dry, religiously civil and sterile discourse with anodyne humour.
@dn54267 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@hanro506 жыл бұрын
Linus doesn't believe in office politics. Though I understand since being an idiot when submitting code wastes his time.
@michaelthompson72175 жыл бұрын
I don’t have an issue with most of his behavior but some of it is unprofessional. Whether or not that is an issue is a different story, but there’s no question that cursing and personal attacks on people are unprofessional, no matter how mild.
@femioyekan81844 жыл бұрын
He apologized in 2018.
@user-ze7tl2dw4i4 жыл бұрын
he said someone should be retroactively aborted and he's surprised they couldn't find their mother's tit. that's blatantly being an asshole - whether or not you tolerate it is up to you
@nobu17304 жыл бұрын
he destroyed debian on their on conference
@MRbasthor4 жыл бұрын
Fedora
@riveravaldez4 жыл бұрын
But the really important point he said it: he doesn't really care.
@honor9lite13373 жыл бұрын
Fedora for God sake
@neontiger20073 жыл бұрын
@Karman: When? Is there a video of that? I'm eager to see more popcorn-worth talks like this.
@Sidiciousify3 жыл бұрын
@Agnish Roy mint
@truthadjustr8 жыл бұрын
linus torvalds created the kernel, but deep in his heart, he fights for the Users. just like kevin flynn
@TeatruSubtitrat4 жыл бұрын
And he's gotten 2415 times smarter since then.
@rackelhahn86453 жыл бұрын
But will he free us from the clutches of the evil Master Control Program (aka systemd)?
@Ajay-kz9ns3 жыл бұрын
bruh
@CurtHowland10 жыл бұрын
Personally, I like Torvalds' invective. I find it imaginative and interesting, and then people move on. Or they don't move on and get stuck on the words rather than the technical argument.
@alanwarycki34759 жыл бұрын
That's true, and pretty sad.
@Xmarquise3 жыл бұрын
“Respect is earned, not given.” Love this explanation from Linus. Pretty much, you are given respect when you earn it. You can tell how many people are soft and won’t handle failure well. I agree with Linus and it’s rewarding 2 fold. When people recognize your hard work and efforts, they will support you and motivate you to succeed. When you get the recognition from your hard work, you yourself will feel appreciated and will strive to do better. Just imagine if everyone got a raise, or if everyone was promoted, regardless if someone works or is lazy. This would defeat the purpose of healthy comptetition. Glad to see Linus upset the soy mindsets in Portalnd during this conference.
@toastpoint2 жыл бұрын
I fell on this video while pulling my hair out trying to make something work on linux and it felt like every issue i have ever had with linux writ large. It is beautiful.
@mallam_ifykings8 жыл бұрын
Best Coca-Cola advert.
@unfa007 жыл бұрын
Not so. I didn't notice until you pointed that out.
@FilipBekic015 жыл бұрын
Literaly wants me drink Coca-Cola
@reinededeurwaerder-sulmon74514 жыл бұрын
=)
@ygjt76v0-----3 жыл бұрын
😀
@manishbhoola2 жыл бұрын
Coke isn't open source formula
@brandaccount55885 жыл бұрын
WHY DID I ENJOY THIS SO MUCH??? I've always had reservations about Linux based OS, mainly because of what I considered over-hyped security and eccentric interface controls. I was overly pleased to hear that Linus himself has had issues with specifically the security wing of development. The man really is amazing. He talks bluntly and has no fear of what he says. It's not about being politically correct, it about saying whats downright true. Even better is to see a few butthurt in the crowd, those that actually took offense to what he said.
@Innomen2 жыл бұрын
For real. What a bunch of fucking babies.
@peterxyz35419 жыл бұрын
I love this guy!!! Don't break user experience
@Stierguy15 жыл бұрын
As user experience remains broken because we have a rule against change....
@Joe3D4 жыл бұрын
@@Stierguy1 All the code must move at the same time to prevent bugs.
@kennethjakobsen72953 жыл бұрын
I love his zero fucks approach to insulting people.
@andypitz98629 жыл бұрын
"Respect is something that is earned, Respect is not something to just be given"... "That" is why Linus Torvalds is a success in his field, and is why these people are standing in line to ask him a question, and not the other way around...
@meathead9194 жыл бұрын
Good manners and respect are two different things. Linus confounds the two.
@mircopaul5259 Жыл бұрын
@@meathead919 Contrary to most other people he is HONEST. What matters are the facts, not the words. It's his right to have a controversial sense of humor. Look at what Linus did throughout his life, and what most of those politically correct people do! A world with more people like Linus and less political correctness (because kids take offense) would most likely be far better!
@jose2807149 жыл бұрын
Torvalds really has good arguments, also I like arguments, arguments reflect your deductions and are hyphotesis about your conclusion.
@VarishtGhedia2 жыл бұрын
10:50 is where Linus predicted the future. What a visionary, no doubt he leads the Linux kernel development.
@aisivan Жыл бұрын
it builds with the whole binaries 🙈😁 that is the part I'd like. It's like another distro running in the system.
@olalderh Жыл бұрын
I heard this and then realized this video is from 8 years ago. Holy cow.
@flflflflflfl Жыл бұрын
yes, he actually does, how did you know :O ???
@geckolia38235 жыл бұрын
Lol. As a German I'm feeling exhausted by people criticizing Linus for his behaviour. It's a v different culture than English speaking ones like UK, US. For us truth is respect. Phony politeness without meaning it- well, phony. Off putting. Creating distrust even at times. Critism helps grow. Blunt critism when talking to a person you have no other relation to except through tec is fine. It's not like Linus is walking down the street insulting random people. He gives feedback, unmasked and sometimes unasked. German, Polish, Russian, French , Italian. .... even Chinese- none would ever have a problem with this. Maybe what's the problem is a lack of understanding of different cultures and mindsets coming from different angles. And for that I can only encourage traveling and living in non English speaking countries for those with English as their first language. I'm certain that would massively help understand.
@goosebrigade18215 жыл бұрын
As an American who loves German Bluntness, I hope these elderberry-smelling, bureaucratic, blowhards choke on an egg.
@lucioinnocenzo23285 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? Germany is a totally pussified country by now, destroyed by political correctness. You can't even say what you think without going to jail. You even censored your own anthem not to offend foreigners. Maybe YOU are honest and care about truth, your country certainly doesn't.
@mariolombardion83265 жыл бұрын
@@lucioinnocenzo2328 OMG the only pussy here is you, crying about an obscure steal of free speech, spoken out freely by and probably without reflecting enough on yourself before. Go follow your alt-right bullshit but PLEASE don't give up upon growing up, because being empathic and nice IS NOT a weakness, it is a complete natural skill you should adopt while growing adult. There is no choice between being nice and being honest and I guess and hope that because of your rational thinking (that you are probably are so proud of) you will sooner or later get this point. :)
@justinbailey24195 жыл бұрын
If they dont like it they are free to buy a windows pc and suffer the malware diseases lol
@user-zl8kh3lk3l5 жыл бұрын
Gecko Lia 2o
@abeidiot4 жыл бұрын
This man might not be the most polite out there. But the kind of articles people put up straight up smearing what kind of man he is is what made me realise, something is really fucked up about our drive for inclusiveness. It is being driven by demonizing people instead of talking to them with empathy, and these are the people who are trying to preach empathy
@cryp0g00n42 жыл бұрын
You hit it right on the spot. It really makes me wonder what would happen in a truly equalized and self sufficient world.
@nobodyspecial9359 Жыл бұрын
He has humility, humor, and honesty. Each of those is worth more than 'polite' by my standard. Being abrasive buffers you from insufferable overly-sensitive fools that care about such things more than actual productivity. P.C. should stand for personal computer, not "politically correct"-- that's a language of authoritative control.
@irgendwerjoker9 жыл бұрын
Linus is so true on ABI compatibility for user apps. The Win32 API is basically stable since 1995, that like roughly 20 years... Yeah, start that simple C program from 1995, thats ok, but how about that Loki games from the 2000s?
@dizzywow5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I bought a copy of ACDSee back when I was running Win98. It still works on Win 10.
@EmadAlblueshi6 жыл бұрын
Linus is very honest with himself regardless of rudeness or whatever you name it :)
@FiroYang6 жыл бұрын
Want respect? Earn it. That's Linus' taste.
@iMistery7 жыл бұрын
This guy is a legend
@nasigoreng5534 жыл бұрын
This is so good I resonate with his ideologies i am getting all warm and fuzzie. I like to run a minimal desktop and have only what i need
@mvrak8 жыл бұрын
Linus rocks as always
@probablynotmyname85212 жыл бұрын
The problem with linux is that a lot of the end user software just isnt very good. Hes also completely right about the multiple distribution thing, as a developer why the hell do i have to target distributions with their own pet packaging requirements rather than just “linux”. End users dont care but they put the responsibility onto me and i then have to worry about quirks of a particular distribution rather than my application.
@Prod-23 Жыл бұрын
I've given up supporting linux for this very reason. It's not Free for me to support Linux, it costs a lot more than other OSes in reality.
@testtestsson4927 Жыл бұрын
@@Prod-23 what about snap and flatpak?
@Prod-23 Жыл бұрын
@@testtestsson4927 Sure, those options are there but it's not just these technical challenges. Testing is more complex, with many more permutations. Dealing with a customer problem is more complicated. Which distro are you running, what desktop env ... etc. It's just a hugely difficult and complex platform to support as a small commercial developer.
@kenneth_romero11 ай бұрын
One of my favorite talks from Linus. Super light hearted and fun.
@IdrissNeumann7 жыл бұрын
"Respect shouldn't be given, respect should be earned" ! L. Torvald is a real modern viking ! ^^
@beefcake03545 жыл бұрын
great comeback that was, indeed.
@mimimotor5 жыл бұрын
My standpoint too. Merit is what made our society great.
@TheYahmez5 жыл бұрын
Common decency and proffessionalism are not the same thing as respect (I feel most people are arguing semantics in disguise here). While all those things are valuable, they are not neccessities, one might place the virtue of truth above them and who's to say this is wrong? It is a matter of taste. I think people just get sour when a person they've revered has disappointed them. You might agree that false altruism may be considered by some to be a worse trait than brutal honesty.
@WR3ND5 жыл бұрын
If people don't respect Debian, they don't know what Linux is and what it's capabilities for liberated computing are. Just saying.
@WR3ND5 жыл бұрын
@Yahmez Just so. Linus is just giving his practical use opinion and some tough love, though I'd argue that he does seem a little bit like a shark lost in the woods here, to be honest.
@pebble24 Жыл бұрын
"if it's a bug people rely on then it's a feature" is one of the best software dev takes ive seen in a long time. (interestingly most of the good ones I've found come from Linus)
@mariovazquez38747 жыл бұрын
Linus is right in the packaging topic. While now there are working projects to fix the mullti distro deployment issue, it will take many years to get accepted and used as a main source of application instalation method. The other problem I see is the per distro packaging itself and how packages are splitted in minor minor ones. When you look at some packages, they have a main package, a config file package, a plugins or optional package, development (or debug) package, etc, etc. That splitting make sometimes installing packages, specially for development a pain. They should learn from Android, that when a user want an app, it should install the whole app, and not only the binaries. And until Linux distributions don't addressed that, imo there will have no desktop future.
@WiseGuyFTW7 жыл бұрын
systemd question 18:40
@terranrepublican55227 жыл бұрын
Fucking thank you ! Exactly what I was looking for !
@sweetberries46115 жыл бұрын
thanks
@sinharakshit4 жыл бұрын
What's systemd? Probably I should Google
@mentix0023 жыл бұрын
@@sinharakshit rtfm
@GabiRuta4 жыл бұрын
Big respect Torvalds !!
@nicholasfazzolari36479 жыл бұрын
I like the way he handled sensitive pony tail guy about respect and crass language.
@DayviSchuster9 жыл бұрын
Tyler Zambori summary for anyone who does not want to read this guys wall of text: "Boo Hoo, why can't everyone be nice to each other"
@nicholasfazzolari36479 жыл бұрын
Soon we will have a society where everyone will be required to talk to each in baby talk by law. When a deadline needs to be meet and a department is falling behind, the meeting will go something like this: "Can you little angles please try to get the product finished in time? Pwueesee? You're all perfect responsible geniuses. It's not your fault the projects falling behind. We hired a team of HR specialists to find who ever is causing the problem. You all can have a 3 day weekend so you don't feel responsible or guilty. Remember you're all angles and prodigies." A few generations of that and society will catastrophically fail and humanity will plunge back into the dark ages. :)
@DayviSchuster9 жыл бұрын
Tyler Zambori Are you actually that emotionally unstable and sensetive that you'd sue a man over some harsh words? Grow the fuck up and grow a pair while you're at it, fucking hell people like you is what's wrong with this world, grown men with the emotional stability and "skin" of a kindergartner, I guess you are the result of "poor" overprotective parrenting popular in the 21 century where everyone is a special little snowflake, well welcome to life it fucking sucks but deal with it, furthermore if people do not like working with Linus that's their problem, as he pointed out, there's other open source projects out there, they can choose who to work with freely. I think ***** summed it up quite well there, society as a whole is getting too sensetive to everything. Gonna try and sue me now for being harsh to you on the internet :D
@nicholasfazzolari36479 жыл бұрын
You mad yet? I sense rage and frustration. Tisk Tisk. Your anger is satisfying.
@nicholasfazzolari36479 жыл бұрын
Now you're just making things up to defend your pathetic stance on the initial subject while mixing in contrived buzzwords, which all further manifests your weak-mindedness. Have you ever considered that suing an open-source software organization over some flame post in a VCS commit message is absurd? Have you looked into the human and environmental damage large micro processor manufactures get away with? If there's a reason to sue it's on something of that scale.
@phacus2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing the content, guys.
@user-mc7ez6lm4x2 жыл бұрын
He is awsome! Answering the Q about versions he explained everything and avoided mentioning any particular number until the end of last sentence.
@musafye8 жыл бұрын
That feeling when you love computers and you listen to tech people talk about stuff you have no idea about but for some reason you still spend an hour plus listening to them and pretend you understand. Damn! I feel so dumb right now!!!! I gotta study computer science! Hopefully these kinds of discussions will make more sense in about 4-5 years time.
@kad14336 жыл бұрын
omg I can totally relate.
@kennethsinger5615 жыл бұрын
Well?
@nebulium66413 жыл бұрын
its been 4 years man whats going now?
@nextprogram59457 ай бұрын
hey its been 7 years, whats up now?
@richard343s8 жыл бұрын
Linus have some controversial opinions and can sometimes come off as rude. But I respect him and appreciate his honesty.
@Capjedi5 жыл бұрын
Outstanding presentation! Proves, beyond a doubt, that open source is the way to go!
@sprinklednights5 ай бұрын
Probably watched it 10 times. I just love listening to Linus Torvalds and how he talks about technology it's just so pragmatic
@sreramk14943 жыл бұрын
Respect should be earned. I agree. But no one deserves _disrespect_ . At least he could have said something like "sorry, this is absolutely wrong, and does not meet our standards" in a review. In doing so, he won't be respectful towards that person. At the same time, he won't be disrespectful as well.
@vladimirvparfenov39352 жыл бұрын
agreed, respect to the gentleman at 14:44 for making that stand.
@mrlithium695 жыл бұрын
wow the GPL2 vs 3 and the FSF convo was truly enlightening, and i agree the EFF is way better.
@subrezon2 жыл бұрын
Hearing Linus complain about software packaging and ABI breakages now, in a world where Flatpak (and Snap, to an extent) has made shipping Linux software a breeze, is simply prophetic.
@coshvjicujmlqef6047Ай бұрын
flatpak is a crap
@coshvjicujmlqef6047Ай бұрын
I would like to see why you want flatpak for ABI stability when you just run windows applications with wine
@patrickeh6967 жыл бұрын
If Ubuntu listened to him they could be on MANY more personal machines. I took three random laptops from big retail stores and Ubuntu had graphic driver incompatibilities with ALL three. But, it looks like Ubuntu is retreating from being a desktop-oriented product anyway...
@hanro506 жыл бұрын
Patrick EH Fedora is better...
@plonk4203 жыл бұрын
@@hanro50 i use Arch, btw
@Lark_4 жыл бұрын
I love mr Linus. He is an awesome guy. Totally
@rjltrevisan9 жыл бұрын
Nice, watching this on a Chromebook right now!
@ShinobiEngineer7 жыл бұрын
FUCK POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ! ! ! GO LINUS ! ! !
@christopherlogsdon2794 жыл бұрын
A few of these Debian people come across as kind of cultish... yeah, Linus is somewhat abrasive but parts of this video made me acutely uncomfortable, lol. I have dabbled in OSS for years, and have found some of the culture takes itself way too seriously. Linus is obviously very confident in his abilities (yeah, probably some arrogance there) but I feel like he is just being pragmatic in identifying what's good about Linux distros versus what's lacking. I don't find it surprising that one of the primary figures in the OSS world isn't completely enamored with the developmental results of a bunch of off-shoot branches.
@Drirton4 жыл бұрын
I personally think respect should be the default until someone loses it. Then by all means, disrespect them harshly. Be nice to strangers until they give you a reason to be an asshole. Or do what you want. I don't care that much. If someone outright disrespects me then that's just a helpful indicator that I shouldn't affiliate with them. So... there's always another way to deal with it. I like Linus, even if he can be rude. The man's passionate and I find that more important than how he "comes across". Thanks for Linux.
@typedeaf9 жыл бұрын
You know, to invite Linus as a guest speaker, and then continually attack him with belligerent questions shows a COMPLETE LACK OF RESPECT for the DebConf community. He is a guest at your event, learn some manners.
@amihartz9 жыл бұрын
+typedeaf Yeah, and it's strange that anyone who is a fan of Linux could not have any respect for the guy who made it.
@alexisucedajara73778 жыл бұрын
+ Amelia Hartman el ni hizo linux,, solo creo el kernel
@amihartz8 жыл бұрын
alexis uceda jara I posted my comment in English, meaning I speak English. I recognize the word "kernel" so I'm assuming it's something about the how he made the Linux kernel, but remember that Linux is defined by its kernel. A "Linux operating system" is simply an operating system that is built on the Linux kernel.
@alexisucedajara73778 жыл бұрын
seria mejor llamarlo GNU/LINUX para darle crédito a Richard Stallman
@amihartz8 жыл бұрын
alexis uceda jara No. Android is Linux and runs no GNU software. GNU is just something that comes with a lot of Linux distros but it isn't inherently part of Linux. Google Translator's thing is pretty terrible, so if I misinterpret anything you say, that's why.
@dr18774 жыл бұрын
You Rock Linus! Thanks for making GNU/Linux oh so many years ago.
@mananaurora10 жыл бұрын
Geez did he eat Stallman?
@DocLulzson5 жыл бұрын
lmao XD
@fernandolk45365 жыл бұрын
ET 302?!?
@chrissxMedia5 жыл бұрын
he didnt say the word GNU once in this session, I dont think so
@piperna57864 жыл бұрын
@@chrissxMedia He actually did 1:05
@RajarshiBandopadhyay4 жыл бұрын
@@chrissxMedia guess what the G in Glibc stands for?
@kutto50173 жыл бұрын
I also agree with linus take on respect in his example. His work speaks for itself and does not need faux respect. Is he over the top and rude sometimes. Yeah. He admits it and so what. His genuineness is such a breath of fresh air EDIT: Thinking about this a bit more too. The chap who basically said words to the effect of 'hey your heading up something big here shouldn't you act like a bit less of a child'. Erm yes and no.... No because as far as commentating on the project he started and still coordinates he can say whatever the hell he wants. And yes in the sense that we all deserve to be treated on a personal level with respect. But also he's not talking to children. I really think he has little to apologise for. I mean at the end of the day he is running something that people input to voluntarily. If you don't like it, don't join in. If he were a manager or ceo and he spoke like that about his employees he should get some counselling. But the relationship is different.
@NordicFrog3 жыл бұрын
Why are people in the conference crying about harsh language?
@hanro506 жыл бұрын
Well considering that the steam runtime is running a ancient version of gtk and that some distributions can easily run steam games natively even though they're technically unsupportive means Linus is right Valve single handedly standardized the entire linux desktop range as they've essentially released the first massively successful cross-platform universal package manager. If valve could ever get a second wave of steam machines off the ground it could be epic
@jack84073 жыл бұрын
Good news! (Atleast for now) Note: i know this comment is really old just wanted to say
@hanro503 жыл бұрын
@@jack8407 what up?
@cronchcrunch2 жыл бұрын
@@hanro50 Steam Deck is up.
@n_core2 жыл бұрын
And lo and behold, Steam Deck is here and crushing the PC gaming market. With tons of games now playable on Linux. All thanks to Valve effort of believing in Linux and standardized things around it so regular end users don't have to deal with tinkering stuff.
@user-kr6ih2gz5l9 ай бұрын
Linus's quote on Valve saving Linux desktop was spot on. How did he know that back in 2014?
@1nt3rl0ck6 жыл бұрын
well he certainly gained my respect, for what its worth.
@citywitt32023 жыл бұрын
I’m reminded of what my mentor, a CEO in a huge financial firm, said to me during our last session. Would you rather be liked, or respected?
@FlipNdip5793 жыл бұрын
The way I see it is you treat people with fairness and kindness but respect is something greater. You wouldn't hand the kid that mows your lawn a 10 dollar tip just cause he would have to do a fantastic job to earn those 10 extra bucks.
@avashurov3 жыл бұрын
I tried Debian recently. Live cd didn’t boot, then I installed it using text installer and installed Demian didn’t boot either... So I installed Mint and it works great!
@whispersandechoes4 жыл бұрын
Linus Torvalds, 2014: "The world is mostly good." The world: "Hold my beer."
@awesomebearaudiobooks2 жыл бұрын
Well, it is good when compared to the 19th century or something like that. Although, of course, we coul'dve done waaay better. Especially in regards to big tech monopolizing politics and billionaires squeesing dollars from vulnerable people
@DanWahrenberger5 жыл бұрын
58:14 - I think I'm one of the 10 running subsurface on Arch... Love the Subsurface project.
@popespalace8235 жыл бұрын
I use arch btw
@alute2589 Жыл бұрын
ah 2014, 2015 the golden era! Now, they should do a Re-Match 2-hour special, Q & A Post-ubunutu, ArchLinux era Q&A
@SamWard_linux10 жыл бұрын
i might have missed something, but especially when addressing a person such as Linus, i would probably say, thank you for taking my question after saying my name.
@montyprogramador27749 жыл бұрын
No, that is not useful. It is just a waste of time. When people do that there is less time for questions.
@samiirai6 жыл бұрын
Guys crushing hard on linus while chatting like a teenage girls, huge waste of time.
@lis65024 жыл бұрын
Still relevant today, Linus _is_ a visioner even if he refuses to approve so
@pronounjow9 жыл бұрын
He's so honest! LOL Amazing guy.
@lucasrabelo109 жыл бұрын
Once again Linus being Linus
@BlurryBit3 жыл бұрын
"Respected should be Earned" - Truth!!!
@viagra52072 жыл бұрын
debian used to make modern day arch and gentoo look like a walk in the park to install
@user-ze7tl2dw4i4 жыл бұрын
on one hand I think it is ideal to approach technical disagreement with respect. on another, I think it is important to have thick skin, respectfully stand up, and just be professional and not work with the person when the opportunity presents itself.
@user-ze7tl2dw4i4 жыл бұрын
but yeah, Linus is an asshole lol
@omarnomad3 жыл бұрын
17:29 The punchline after the response is priceless.
@jean-baptistelasselle45625 жыл бұрын
I half agree Linus' point : I don't think respect should just be given, it has to also be deserved at the same time.
@007Knightjp9 жыл бұрын
What does he mean by 'Don't break user space?'
@hassanhashemi64788 жыл бұрын
+Julian Pereira in simple words: making breaking changes to api that directly relate to applications.
@007Knightjp8 жыл бұрын
I see. thanks for that.
@Joe3D4 жыл бұрын
@@hassanhashemi6478 Great thanks. I guess all applications must be updated when you update API on the kernel.
@mah0aga10 жыл бұрын
the guy in xen t-shirt is a douchebag
@pvalencia7 жыл бұрын
LOL @ a nerd calling another nerd an alpha male If you use Linux, society automatically sees you as a beta male and a goddamn nerdy loser. All of you are nerds.
@roborobo83703 жыл бұрын
@@pvalencia ok.
@mattcrosby23103 жыл бұрын
@@pvalencia ok
@JesterJones3 жыл бұрын
@@pvalencia ok
@JesterJones3 жыл бұрын
for anyone curious, it happened at 27:48 (also 14:35 there is a similar discussion which I presume is the reason he was upset) edit: at 41:15 he reappears again but I think he came back this time with question he was originally intending to make before he got pissed off, it has nothing to do with the previous shit.
@BenRangel9 жыл бұрын
09:00 - What does it mean to "break user space"? Causing a user application to crash?
@louisload9 жыл бұрын
+BenRangel yes, exactly. Making changes on the kernel that causes an application to stop working as expected (like crashing or any other kind of unexpected behaviour) is unnaceptable.
@chrissxMedia5 жыл бұрын
anything that changes the behavior of userspace applications pretty much. it doesnt even have to crash, for example if you change an abi, it can just result in the app passing garbage arguments to a syscall, which usually doesnt crash.
@passiveedits8 жыл бұрын
The guy that gets up to call him childish and then later tries to joke around with him about some backwards compatibility thing..
@rbledsaw38 жыл бұрын
such a toolbag. I wish our Lord and Savior Harambe would have taken him for a swim.
@greglopezjr.46255 жыл бұрын
@Taiho667 typical
@naxaes78895 жыл бұрын
Eehh, what? @Taiho667 * Linus uses derogatory insults in disagreements. * Guy criticizes Linus for it. * Linus listen but ultimately disagrees. * Guy comes back with an honest question, showing no hard feelings, aggression or passive-aggression towards Linus' disagreement. * Linus answers the question sincerely without any hard feelings of the critique. It's literally how it's supposed to be. How can you be offended when Linus literally invited "controversial" questions/comments, and both parties played through the engagement diplomatically?
@audiencebigg63025 жыл бұрын
Mutual respect is a thing, and it should be that way.
@jd-foo4 жыл бұрын
@@audiencebigg6302 As stated, respect must be earned not demanded.
@gibrains4 жыл бұрын
So kids. Have a doubt. Doubt your things. Doubt your teacher. Doubt your professors. There is no such an absolute truth. You have to doubt everything.
@JuanFuentesT2 жыл бұрын
11:44 I can't believe people are really so fragile that they need such a warning...
@fungo66313 жыл бұрын
In an alternate reality we have Terry A. Davis and Temple OS in this conference.
@excitedbox57053 жыл бұрын
It is a fine line between Genius and Crazy. Temple OS had some interesting things and I don't mean all the god stuff.
@myname8928 Жыл бұрын
This is what EVERY ENGINEER should know about how software "sausage is made"!
@hesperaux4 жыл бұрын
That moment at 0:35 when the logos flash up on the screen for only an instant: subliminal messaging. :)
@gauravpoudel72885 жыл бұрын
Linus is the man!!!
@HenryNewcomer5 жыл бұрын
Linus: the worst thing is when people don't follow the guidelines. His first response to the following person: Sorry, I didn't read the guidelines.
@RajarshiBandopadhyay4 жыл бұрын
That's not software developer guidelines, but okay.
@ericsuuu8 жыл бұрын
He kind of reminds me of Steve Carell
@SifatSultanTheConsistency8 жыл бұрын
exactly
@kingprone78467 жыл бұрын
what distros do linus' children use?
@RajarshiBandopadhyay4 жыл бұрын
His daughter used OpenSUSE at one point.
@TheAsianRepublican4 жыл бұрын
if anyone gets "respect" then respect means nothing... so respect needs to be EARNED
@MrBradschannel2 жыл бұрын
10:48 maybe he was right all along...
@lveronese2 жыл бұрын
looks like he was..
@DJpepmar6 жыл бұрын
hahaahah linus my hero. as a kid everybody wanted to be superman... astronaut... jet fighter pilot.... linus was my hero, still is. the way he speaks and thinks will go down in history. like if you watch this dude's speeches in 4018 fsck debian, too difficult to install.... maybe it was microcare....
@GolfWangMedia-incorporated8 жыл бұрын
27:50 Ah this nigga just spoke rudely to the daddy of Linux.
@henheya97353 жыл бұрын
"They did a boring crap, like... they did QnA" - Linus
@Splatpope4 жыл бұрын
watching this video on windows will curse your family for 7 generations
@mbahmarijan7894 жыл бұрын
LOL
@SupBro31 Жыл бұрын
Linus you beautiful bastard!
@maggotroot3 жыл бұрын
What was that comment about obscure language about?
@alanjhaugen9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Linus.
@theholidaydecorguy6096 жыл бұрын
I've never used Linux before. But after watching Revolution OS and rid. I'll give it a try.