Deep Dive Into the Formation of EVNNE (company analysis)

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Cloud ChungXiao

Cloud ChungXiao

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With a few days till their official debut, we are introduced to the next temporary sibling group to a MNET survival program group from boys planet. Formed from the discussions between Wakeone, Yuehua and Rain Company, with Jellyfish managing the group, they seem to have an interesting phase in their career. While the length of their contract has yet to be revealed, the hype of boys planet has not yet faded away so there is a lot of anticipation. This video will be an analysis on the four companies, their 24 boys planet trainees and how this got narrowed down to the seven trainees set to debut; as well as general thoughts on the companies and future plans considering the temporary nature of this group.
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0:00 - Intro
1:07 - Rain Company
3:04 - Yuehua Entertainment
5:08 - Wakeone
7:19 - Jellyfish Entertainment
9:26 - Final Thoughts
11:00 - Outro

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@zackwilson8701
@zackwilson8701 9 ай бұрын
It's hard to root for Wakeone after the heartless way they dropped trainees like Haruto, Woongki, and Anthonny, despite their popularity and talent. It's tough though because I do really like Evnne's line up and I'm so glad that the boys have this opportunity.
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Yea, it was pretty weird for sure. Haruto and Anthonny are debuting in a Jpop boy group called TOZ though and so I'm curious to see what they're gonna do.
@zackwilson8701
@zackwilson8701 9 ай бұрын
@@cloudchungxiao yupp! so excited for them! I hope they kill it :)
@vixxexo6855
@vixxexo6855 9 ай бұрын
@@cloudchungxiaothey could have made a deal with the japenese company. It is quiet common for companies to transfer trainees they like, but don’t have plans of debuting.
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Maybe. Kinda like how Chaewon transfered to Source Music to debut in Le Sserafim. But then at the same time, I would kinda think they would want to retain them for their future plans. But yea, if they had no plans, then it feels more like a "mutual decision" to leave the company.
@thriftskull5549
@thriftskull5549 8 ай бұрын
@@cloudchungxiaoand Woongki is having an acting debut in a BL Drama so please watch and support him!! I hope this gives him enough fame to debut!!
@lanl.7608
@lanl.7608 9 ай бұрын
For the assumption for ZH and Ricky, I think they will redebut in SK, just bc ZH has vocally expressed his passion for stage (SK is the best place for it) and forward looking relationship with Gyuvin for his birthday card to Gyuvinso, so huge chance they’ll debut in the same group while being able to act in both China and SK markets.
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
I dont think I have seen much idols been able to promote both in South Korea and China in a way that seems well without compromising a bit. I was thinking since Zhang Hao ranked first, surely their is an audience for him and assuming ZB1 continues to sore, many companies will fight to get him in their company. Ricky though. Kinda hasn't given to strong of a tie with South Korea besides to his members so he's more 50/50 to me.
@teatimewiththeia
@teatimewiththeia 9 ай бұрын
Watching your video after EVNNE's debut, I think Jellyfish picked the right candidates. They all seem to work well together and can pull off the same concept. Your concern about nationality and excluding the C and J trainees is very reasonable, but I couldn't imagine someone like Ollie doing a concept like Trouble. Jihoo was the better maknae pick and his voice suits the others better. Also 7 is a nice number for the members. I want to believe Jellyfish actually used their brains to max and hand-picked the members, cause they really covered all corners with picking 2 good vocalists, a great rap line and amazing dancers with actual stage presence. I really hope Jellyfish doesn't f*ck this up, cause I'm a fan now.
@artsymarcishallyuumma
@artsymarcishallyuumma 9 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Yea, the debut was pretty solid and after seeing a bit more from Yunseo and Junghyun, I kinda get why they're more there. Still an unfortunate situation to coincidently have none of the foreign lines within Wakeone or Yuehua make this group but the group line up is still strong like you said; that i'm excited to see what else might be next for them.
@Hobiemyhubby
@Hobiemyhubby 9 ай бұрын
Yuppp the line up decision was pretty obvious to me, 1st they took trainees from yuehua and wakeone these two companies are the main ones who are willing and expected to work with each other eversince boys planet. Second they took the trainees that they could that made it to the finals in result is keita the rest of the finalists boys have their own thing going on with jay, kamden, jeonghyeon for example are set to debut in other groups. And for Ollie and Brian first Ollie is on a Chinese survival show but idk what happened with that, but just tbh those trainees aren't the best trainees on yuehua atleast yet, Ollie is very well loved but still needs more training, Brian could've been chosen and no doubt would've been visual but in terms of vocals yunseo is better. And they just really pick the strongest trainees jihoo despite being eliminated early was a four star trainee so really is the right choice for maknae. Yunseo is decent but most of yuehua's top trainee from boys planet made it in the final line up anyways so yunseo makes sense same with junghyun with wakeone but also because wakeone kicked out their other strong trainees woongi, haruto, and Anthony
@Hobiemyhubby
@Hobiemyhubby 9 ай бұрын
And surprisingly jelly fish is marketing them well unlike what happened to TIOT where they debut the boys without much, jelly fish actually gave them 2 decorated stage and are everywhere I just hope that fans actually follows them, I mean the main track isn't my taste but the b sides are all very solid. I expected noise music with the amount of rappers but trouble no doubt is the weakest song on the album imo, if noise music is what jellyfish was aiming for it should've just been role model
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Wait why is Yuehua and Wakone expected to work with each other ever since Boys Planet? Did I miss something? But yea, I read that they're gonna be active for a year and a half so seems like they're gonna try put in the work and considering the hype and how well they're doing for themselves, Jellyfish might even priortise them while they can.
@mikaela7757
@mikaela7757 9 ай бұрын
i have a feeling that yuehua will definitely combine the yuehua members of zb1 and evnne once both groups disband, plus the possible inclusion of ollie! this is quite smart since the hype of zb1, evnne, and ollie competing on a survival show will build up for a few years. if yuehua play their cards right, then i can see a new yuehua boy group debuting and possibly debuting with immediate success. for now, let’s see how things go!
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Yea, Seems like we got like 2026-2027 to see a Yuehua debut. But yea, Ollie's inclusion will really depend on how he is received in China.
@thriftskull5549
@thriftskull5549 8 ай бұрын
@@cloudchungxiaoyeah I was looking at the survival show Ollie is gonna be on and their is also a lot of other Yuehua trainees on the show so let’s see how he can stand out
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 8 ай бұрын
Ohhh, I mean I know Yuehua is real big on trainees esp in China so like we could honestly see Ollie debut in that cohort of trainees too.
@alethiadali9201
@alethiadali9201 9 ай бұрын
Jeonghyeon was (still is ig) my one pick I wouldn't be happier for him, evnne is an amazing super group, some of my fav trainees are there, also I'm happy for Jeonghyeon since he will be debuting with his besties ^-^
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Yea, this is such a good pre-debut activity for him and just basically secures his position once wakeone properly debuts a new boy group. Thoughts on the debut?
@surfergurlzrock
@surfergurlzrock 9 ай бұрын
I think honestly that some of the evnne members might just join jellyfish. Yea they dont know how to manage a girl group, but they can manage a boy group. Not to mention, some members (cough keita cough) are getting forgotten in their current company. And im still following up with Kamden. He has been doing solo promotions and i think theyre going to try to have him be a solo debut, which i’m pretty sad about. I wish he made the cut for Evnne cause he did well domestically and would have fit the concept. Either way, i am beyond stoked about Keita. I was blasting his feature on metronome all summer. So happy for him to debut.
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Ohhh, idk about that. Both Wakeone and Yuehua have the potential to create such a good post-boys planet group from the hype of both ZB1 and Evnne. That kinda leaves Keita, but we've seen some of the Ciipher members stay with Rain so that means something I feel. Like maybe they were promised a reimagined future which if any of them were to, I feel like Keita would have been one of them. As for Kamden, I feel like I saw somewhere that confirmed his debut for FNC's new boy group with Jihoo. Thoughts on that?
@surfergurlzrock
@surfergurlzrock 9 ай бұрын
@@cloudchungxiao honestly i dont know. I don’t trust Rain to redebut ciipher and if they do I feel like they’ll be a produce curse group. And as for FNC part of why I dont want that to happen is how they handled cherry bullet, but I mean you’re for sure right.
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 8 ай бұрын
Yea, Rains history is not the best with starting by up and maintaining them. Plus Keita got Rain to do the tik tok challenge of Trouble so it seems like they’re on mutual terms. Yea definitely would be annoying if they were gonna treat the new group like Cherry Bullet. Only thing that my be-ish different is that they are a boy group which lowkey a lot of companies seem to not be able to manage girl groups or put as much attention to them. FNC kinda is one considering they didn’t have much girl groups to begin with in comparison to the amount of their boy groups
@goldyd144
@goldyd144 8 ай бұрын
​@@surfergurlzrock It's confirmed that Kamden and Choi Jiho are debuting in a 7 member group in November! 😊
@gh4939
@gh4939 8 ай бұрын
I hadn't thought about how Jellyfish might benefit from this lol, bc at first seeing them manage EVNNE without any of the other Boys Planet Jellyfish trainees was weird to me. But now that you mention it, yeah, they're definitely making a desperate grab at cooking up some semblance of a boy group to prepare for Gunwook's redebut-- they wouldn't risk losing him.
@thriftskull5549
@thriftskull5549 8 ай бұрын
I strongly believe that Yuehua will not be dumb and will cash in on the success of Zhang Hao, Ricky, Yujin,and Gyuvin I think they will also add Yunseo and Seungeon!! A group with these members seems really strong to me! (Im not sure about Ollie being added to this group but depending on how he does on Asia Super Young.)
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 8 ай бұрын
That's the thing though. Yuehua is mainly a Chinese entertainment company and so for Zhang Hao and Ricky, they have potential to be marketed in both reigons. But which will be more profitable for Yuehua to consider. Like technically they could get them to promote in both countries, but we gotta see the reception to how ZB1's career goes. But yea, sounds like Ollie might be promoting in China though. They have many trainees promoting within the show he's participating in and so they might just form a group from that.
@thriftskull5549
@thriftskull5549 8 ай бұрын
@@cloudchungxiao yeah that’s what I think it’s likely that yuehua might be able to do what EXO couldn’t do with a Chinese-Korean group and promote In both countries
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 8 ай бұрын
Ohh that would be interesting for sure. Only thing is the country's political situation esp in China where they are kinda cracking down on the hallyu wave but also they've had their own issues with fandom culture within Cpop too so might be a bit hard to navigate that.
@maythe
@maythe 8 ай бұрын
Wumuti was my one pick and I can’t wait for what he has in store! When wumuti was eliminated, my one pick was jongwoo and I am so excited for his debut in OnePact! Definitely loveee Evnne, yunseo is my bias and my fave song of theirs is rolemodel! I still follow post boys planet groups, like TIOT, TOZ, EVNNE, ZB1, and now OnePact!! I also loved zihaos, seunghwan, and jays solos so much!!!
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 8 ай бұрын
Yea, the way boys planet trainees are making use of the fame with the amount of post-produce groups coming out. Really excited for onepact too and Yunseo kinda appearing out of no where for me tbh. Kina up there for me in terms of bias in Evnne.
@murphie_4559
@murphie_4559 9 ай бұрын
I think Yuhua knows Ricky and Zhanghao do better as Kpop idols and not Cpop idols so hopefully they can redebut as Kpop idols!
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
The only thing that make them better as Kpop idols is the fact they've got the attention by being chosen for the final line up and have only really done things within the Kpop industry. China would be more familiar to them and "easier" to navigate but the question becomes will the Kpop fame also translate to China or will there be a lot of building up within China that Korea might just be the better option for them
@verisatile9289
@verisatile9289 9 ай бұрын
been long heard of ggd were managed by cjenm directly (proxying through jellyfish) as rumor among vixx fans (starlight) in korea at the time, jelpi and mnet are like brothers since jelpi starting, such management for seo inguk, so u maybe get some idea of how things are going. but that was how people believe at the time, i just sharing my thought.
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Ohh really? CJENM lowkey got money and the budget to be promoting them though so like why not then? hahaha. But that would be so weird. Might-ish make sense in that gugudan is kinda an outlier but also they were the first girl group so maybe Jellyfish don't know how to manage girl groups
@liezltan1887
@liezltan1887 9 ай бұрын
I'm here for Keita❤ and i love the others too
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Yea, one of the major reasons for my excitement was because of Keita. Thoughts on the debut?
@vell2994
@vell2994 4 ай бұрын
Crazy 🤣 making a group with all those who didn't got into the original group😅 so getting into the original line up isn't necessary nowadays 😅 while this was the main reason for these shows
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 4 ай бұрын
I mean I think the original line up is expected to be the ultimate avenger group with the "ideal" line up to most people's eyes. While groups like EVNNE utilizes the fact that there is so much good trainees who weren't able to make it due to number of members allowed in the original group. There are instances of other groups like EVNNE but they just haven't had much success so EVNNE is more of an outlier.
@eternalwhispersofthewind5714
@eternalwhispersofthewind5714 7 ай бұрын
I'm like really late to this video, but I want to give my thoughts anyway. Now when I first learned about EVNNE, I was mixed between sceptical and pissed (that part being directed at Rain Company haha...). I wasn't sure how a brother group to ZB1 would go, or how well they could take off. Then I heard their debut and Trouble has been on loop for a while and Even More is one of my go to songs when I want to listen to something a bit calmer. I think the group is very well rounded. Now, about the Jellyfish trainees. It really concerns me about what the future holds for them. I'd love to see them debut as a four like Tiot did, and I agree that it was really stupid to leave them out of EVNNE. The only thing is, 7 members makes a lot of sense. I can see why they didn't, but I'm not happy about it basically. Anyway, my top 3 changed throughout the show as my picks got eliminated but basically, here's how it went. Pre-1st elim: !. Minseoung, 2. Haruto, 3. Gunwook Pre-2nd elim: 1. Haruto 2. Gunwook 3. Matthew Post-3rd elim: 1. Gunwook 2. Ricky 3. Matthew I still support all of my picks. I love Tiot and have been supporting Minseoung since Loud days. Like, his Say My Name cover was one of my most played songs on Spotify at one point lol. Similarly, I've known of Haruto since Loud, and even though I wasn't following him super closely during Loud, Boys Planet really showed who he was (plus his insta stories after Loud ended lmao). I don't have as much interest in TOZ as I do Tiot, but I still like them a lot and plan on supporting them. And then ZB1 is literally my #2 ult group so ofc I support the other three lol (Gunwook being one of my ult biases).
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 7 ай бұрын
Yea, the jellyfish trainees is giving the WM trainees from Produce 48. Like despite having Lee Chayeon debut with Iz*one, we didn't see her debut in a group with her other trainee friends. Like I could see Gunwook debut solo potentially, where they might have no plans for the remaining jellyfish trainees. Could even pull a Rocket Punch where they just don't include Gunwook into the mix which makes me worried about how much attention they'll trul get without Gunwook. Evnne's look pretty great and I'm pretty excited to see what's to come from them though. Their debut era was pretty impressive. Thoughts on Onepact though? Another post-boys planet formed group
@eternalwhispersofthewind5714
@eternalwhispersofthewind5714 7 ай бұрын
@@cloudchungxiao idk much about previous produce series, so I can’t really comment on that stuff, but Onepact. I’m extremely excited for them tbh. Like, it felt very random and out of no where that it happened, and the members didn’t make sense to me at first, but they work so well together. It’ll be interesting what happens to them though. None of the members have labels (at least not that I’m aware of) except for Jay, so even though they’re a project group, they could end up permanent?? But also FM sucks so it may not be able to happen with Jay. I don’t know much about Tag, but in Blind, his chorus part was my favorite part of the entire song soooo… and then Yedam was one of my top pics (I remember him from Loud ofc. Off of Loud, I actually bias Hyunsoo in TNX and during ploud when they were picking dorm arrangements, the two got out together and their reaction was the best lol).
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 7 ай бұрын
Ohh damm wait, I thought Onepact was permanent? But yea, if they aren't they could honestly become permanent assuming they all don't have a label besides with Onepact. I know that Jay is with FM which kinda idk atm with the whole Beoham situation. Plus they gave him a solo so close to the announcement of him joining Onepact which was kinda weird timing but good for him.
@eternalwhispersofthewind5714
@eternalwhispersofthewind5714 7 ай бұрын
@@cloudchungxiao I think it's a project group at least?? It may not be tho and I could just be stupid lol. Yeah... FM makes questionable decisions. Thankfully Beomhan is out of there, just need Jay to leave and then maybe Onepact could become permanent. But yeah, the solo was really weird. It was at an odd time and then he got no promotions for it which was kind of insane, but FM's questionable decisions are nothing new sooo
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 6 ай бұрын
Hahaha yea, I mean if they were gonna put that much effort into MVs and other misc videos, surely we would have gotten some promotions. It could of been just a digital single and save the rest for later. But yea, wishing Onepact success too
@YannisHalliwell
@YannisHalliwell 9 ай бұрын
how long will their contract be?
@wiktoriamajewska4146
@wiktoriamajewska4146 9 ай бұрын
i think its unknown right now
@user-wt3xm3ip3g
@user-wt3xm3ip3g 9 ай бұрын
​@@wiktoriamajewska4146its probably an permanent contract
@StLaRizz
@StLaRizz 9 ай бұрын
I think what will happen is they’ll be together for as long as ZB1 is together and then they’ll be reformed without members from Yuehua either with the same name or something familiar
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Yea, there hasn't been a confirmation of how long it'll be. But based on project groups like them, it's usually half a year to a year-ish.
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
I just read that their contract is 1.5 years. Not too bad and the longest project group promotional period compared to their counterparts.
@asasusakura
@asasusakura 9 ай бұрын
Im still waiting for Jay and now we know he will debut in a boy group woth Jongwoo and other members "we already know". I hope Wumuti csn debut with him;;
@artsymarcishallyuumma
@artsymarcishallyuumma 9 ай бұрын
Jay's company is in panic mode after dropping Beomhan. They said Jay will solo debut. I feel like the company doesn't have Jay's best interest in mind. I'm 😠 😡 that they haven't tried to support Beomhan.
@artsymarcishallyuumma
@artsymarcishallyuumma 9 ай бұрын
I want him in a group with his friends, like JongWoo and Kamden!❤
@asasusakura
@asasusakura 9 ай бұрын
@@artsymarcishallyuumma but it is confirmed a group. Jay confirmed it haha
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Didn't hear about Jay and Jongwoo debuting together but real keen for that tbh. After hearing about Jay's company dropping Beomhan though, I was getting nervous for Jay's future because I would love for him to debut solo but I just don't think he'll get a strong enough domestic audience for the company to think it's worth. Then for Wumuti, he's one of those that I feel are so dedicated to their craft but for some reason, I feel like it might be some time before he makes a debut if he even gets the chance to.
@goldyd144
@goldyd144 8 ай бұрын
​@@cloudchungxiao The group that Jongwoo is debuting in is called "Onepact", and the other members than have been announced so far are Lee Yedam, Tag from Ciipher, and Seongmin (all Boys Planet contestants). Jay hasn't been announced yet, but considering that he's said 4 different times that they're debuting together, he's likely going to be announced last.
@HectorH-M
@HectorH-M 9 ай бұрын
You butchered some names
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 9 ай бұрын
Hahaha, I tried but thanks for letting me know. Which names sound butchered?
@kihyuncore
@kihyuncore 8 ай бұрын
are EVNNE really a temporary project group ? 🥲
@cloudchungxiao
@cloudchungxiao 8 ай бұрын
Yea, they are. Luckily they have a bit of a longer contract period compared to other temporary groups formed after their survival show. They'll be active til March 2025
@kihyuncore
@kihyuncore 8 ай бұрын
@@cloudchungxiao thanks for replying ! i wondering this question for a long time and now i finally know. 😞
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