That clip of the Angels announcer is so savage and brutal. I love it

'He's better off letting the ball go by, since making the stop can hurt you by giving you an error instead of a single' is basically the thesis statement for how Jeter is a 4-time GG winner.

Being an Angels fan is rough enough without the extra gut punches like that. Credit to Nolan though, he handled it like a pro and isn't dwelling on it. He says he's focused on bigger things.

Quality breakdown on the Shanuel play. I guess I am a nerd. Shout-out to Mounty who has become an excellent defensive first baseman.

I really like the formats of these. I trust Jimmy to find the most interesting topics from the previous weeks, and he has just been delivering with these. I also really like how he has gone a little deeper in these videos than they do in a normal talking baseball video because it gives you a little separation between the two if you want something that goes a little deeper into baseball.

Started watching Jomboy about 4-5 years ago, hadn't been big on baseball before that. Now I've got a job helping a AAA clubhouse. Always love the videos👍

Finally getting to sit down and watch this and comment along. Apologies for what will be a long post as there is a lot to unpack. (Ironically, I was scoring a game while watching this the first time around and didn't have time to really go through it.) • As others in the comments have already noted, yes, there CAN be a hit and an error on a play if the OS rules that 1) the batter first reached on a hit, then 2) either he or a preceding runner advanced another base on an error. Probably the most common example is a batter beating the throw on a ground ball, but then that throw eludes the first baseman, allowing the batter-runner to proceed to second. That example gets scored as a hit for reaching first, plus an error for letting him go another 90 feet. In the case of March 30, the play initially went in as a hit for Schanuel, then an error for allowing Drury to get to third. I think it should have stayed that way, but I'll break my reasoning down below. • At 7:48 When MLB or Elias alerting the OS: this is not for a judgment call, but rather a decision that violated the rules. So e.g. suppose a player was thrown out trying to advance on a wild pitch, and the OS scores the out as a caught stealing. MLB or Elias (or both) would see that as an incorrect application of 9.07(h) and have the decision corrected. It's kind of akin to the manager protesting a game. • At 9:29 Agree 100% that there should be an infielder on that panel for all of the reasons Jimmy states. There are far more errors and far more tough decisions regarding ordinary effort in the infield. (Coincidentally, I've been the OS for games with Otero and Blanco. Kinda makes me want to go through my records to see if I ever screwed over one of those guys on a call 😂.) Also: Blanco, Otero and Davis?? That's a lot of Bay Area representation. Those guys just couldn't wait to hose an LA player amirite? Shenanigans, I tell ya. • The first baseman (Mountcastle) making a diving stop was beyond ordinary effort. No thinking human will question that part. Thus, the side-by-wide analysis of the various ground balls at 13:50, while impressive, is irrelevant to the OS decision in the March 30 Angels-O's game. The decision to charge or not charge an error comes later in the play. • At 12:13, LeMahieu did not get charged with an error, and rightfully not (DET @ NYY, Sept. 7, 2023, top 4th). Perhaps it was initially scored as an E3 but yeeesh... that would be BRUTAL. LeMahieu is throwing from his knees, which is awkward enough, plus he's throwing to a pitcher (Rodon) who was a little late covering. Fortunately, that one is now in the books as a hit for Carpenter. • The 12:28 clip (KC @ CLE, Apr. 6, 2018) is tough but I think an E3 is correct. Cuthbert makes a nice stop to glove the ball. But once he does, he has plenty of time to throw, especially with how much time he has. Yonder is not even halfway to first at the time Cuthbert sets his feet. Thus, making a good throw is well within ordinary effort, and failing to do so is where Cuthbert gets dinged with the error. There's an argument for charging Duffy for the error under 9.12(a)(3), but the OS apparently figured the preceding throw superseded it. IMHO: I can absolutely see the argument for an E1 A3 on the Shanuel grounder, but I agree with the MLB Scoring Changes account operator in that I would have left it as a hit for Schanuel, with an E3T to account for Drury's advance. Here's why: 1. Mountcastle's stop of the grounder is way beyond ordinary effort, so no error there (obviously). Again, no one doubts this part. 2. Mountcastle had to throw off his knees, starting almost parallel to the ground with his back turned away from the bag. Thus, throwing Schanuel out is beyond ordinary effort, which means no E3 when it comes to the batter-runner being safe 3. Once Mountcastle decides to throw, Baumann is forced to catch an ankle-biter toward his left shin while he's running to his right. I'd say this is also beyond ordinary effort, but I'll admit I've only seen the high home angle. Maybe the Davis/Blanco/Otero panel had other camera angles that made Baumann's play more clear. Still, it strikes me as a tough error to charge, and the benefit of the doubt goes to the batter, per 9.05(a).

Highest and lowest pitches hit is fantastic Jimmy. Keep them coming. Stuff like that is fun

This is quickly becoming my new favorite baseball series on this channel. Great job. It embraces and brings back the early days of Talkin baseball where you all were just dive in on some random stuff.

The error was initially given because Drury advanced to third. He took an extra base due to the misplay. Someone has to take an error regardless of whether or not Schanuel gets a hit.

This is amazing analysis. Well done. There's no one better in breaking down plays and explaining. Well done.

The Scoring Changes Twitter account made an error. Alvin Dark played from 1946-1960, and the record holder at 47 straight to start a career is from Alvin Davis.

This is the deep dive/nerdy stuff about baseball that I love, keep it going!

This is a FANTASTIC series that you're doing with these

Please keep up the three things! It’s so fun!

I really like this concept. Brings the Chanel back to its roots but with a format. Really cool. Good work.

wow I am loving these deep dives, first the investigation into the Mets double plays and now this. good stuff

MORE OF THIS PLEASE I LOVED THIS BUT I ALSO PUT MY HAND UP WHEN YOU DID NERS ROLL CALL

It would really cool to see that quality at bats list at the end of the season! Great video, loving these deeper breakdowns for real.

Love these Jimmy. Do miss you on Talkin’ Baseball though.

5:30 the error is for letting other runners move up on the drop, single for him getting to first base

Haven't watched Jomboy in a long time, and I don't know if this is kind of a new type of video he's doing but I hope it continues. I really enjoyed this video and would like to see more like it throughout the season

these behind the scenes are amazing jimmy, good insight

I love these detailed deep dive comparisons. ❤

This is incredible analysis thank you Jimmy

Great video, love the deep dives

I LOVE this longer form content 👏🏼

i love all 3 of jimmy's 3 things today

Luckily for the Mariners France is an everyday player. He missed a series on paternity leave and the rest of the team can’t hit so he isn’t getting many ABs.. Big fan of this segment!

The Cardinals had a shortstop for 4-5 years in the late 00s named Brendan Ryan (who I think made a pit stop at the Yankees for a few years later in his career!) who was a fantastic defender with great range. He had a few seasons > 3 defensive war, which of course you love to see from your SS. I remember this happening with him a lot, where he would sometimes get dinged with an error on a ball that maxed his range and the best he could do is knock it down or not make the throw. But 90% of short stops wouldn't have even gotten to the ball and it would have gone to the left center gap for a potential double, so essentially he was getting punished despite the fact that he was making an extra-effort play that prevented an extra base.

Great job Jimmy! You could take this a dive deeper by talking to the hitting coaches of the teams that appear to be getting better. Angels!

Love these videos Jimmy, nerd out Brother

Awesome breakdown and analysis! On the replays (of the similar plays).....there is no chance DJ LeMahieu of Yankees got an error on that play since the pitcher was late covering the bag. That has to be a hit.

For the highest and lowest pitches I think you want to change the "group by" setting in the search. Otherwise the "plate Z" value that's displayed in the table (the value you're using to sort the list) might be the average of all pitches they hit, not the highest or lowest individual pitch. It turns out that Vazquez hit is only the 28th lowest so far this year.

Love this series

Doing great journalism Jimmy!

love your research

Really interesting to see five Angels on the PPA list. You'd expect that to translate with team statistics, right? They're sitting 12th in BB% (9.8%), 10th in K% (23.9%), and sit roughly league average in many other general hitting statistics. Yet, they're 2nd in team PPA (4.13), sitting behind your Yankees (4.14). These deep dives are a lot of fun

I've missed ya jimbo! love when ya get nerdy

love these vids!

I always love when you do pitch accuracy comparisons over on JM...overlays of pitch placement. Might be fun to see how accurate a pitcher when compared to the catcher's call.

What software do you use to edit and make your breakdowns? Love the content and knowledge!

this is an incredible deep dive

i appreciate tf outta this.

love these vids

100% agree with your deep dive on the Shanuel non-hit play. 2 things I’ll add though… Once Mounty makes the stop, the appeal committee might be saying that if he makes the throw and Baumann makes the catch, Shanuel would have been out by a half a stride. It took a great effort to just get to that ball which should make it a base hit, but just offering up another reason why they might have changed the ruling. TV broadcast have different delays between the CF camera and the other cameras. So I think the way you have the markers for bat contact and glove contact make a ton of sense and it gets the point across, however the camera delay between broadcast could be different. I think they should’ve just gone with the original ruling, it’s like everyone was trying to overthink an obvious base hit. Btw I love this series! Keep doing them Jimmy!

Adding the position played to that spreadsheet would be super interesting.

Mountcastle is a monster and he is having an amazing year so far. Clearly he should be rewarded for keeping this ball in the infield and not given an error.

Love this!! Please keep doing these deep dives!

Jimmy, I have an idea for a video. Watching Vogelbach getting a double made me wonder if a player like Vogelbach has ever had a triple before. Doing a video on batters who end up with specific results that are like 1% chance, would be cool to see a breakdown. Don't know if it's possible, just throwing the idea out there

Great work. I didn’t know you can score a hit and issue an error.

I know that entrance looked familiar! I was hammered in Omnia two weekends ago🤣🤣

How do you search for those specific kind of videos? lefty batters, dive to the right, hit distances etc...?

My coach Al always said, if that ball hits your glove and its dropped. You better pray it has a hole in it already because he about to make one and get you a new one.

Can we petition for Jomboy to be the appeal committee? I feel like he put more work into this than the real committee did. 😆

Love the deep dive! Re: quality at bats, Ty France had a baby, he’s not platooning 😊

You can have two scoring decisions one one play. The error is on the runner advancing.

What recording software do you use for these?

After taking your lowest pitch hit query and expanding the years to all available, looks like the lowest ball hit is actually Padres pitcher Daniel Camarena hitting a grand slam off Scherzer back in 2021. Pretty cool

Hey Jimmy, I absolutely love these. Idea for a deep dive - after watching Moncada go down. Why, over the last couple of years do all of the White Sox players seem to go down with leg injuries running, mostly to first base? There has to be some thing going on here. I’ve never seen players consistently get injured just running year after year the way this team does.

The white balance is super funky on this video, almost like it was crushed down from HDR without clean tone mapping.

Pretty impressive for Schanuel to be chasing down that on base streak while simultaneously hitting 50% of the Mendoza line. 3:11

I like Jimmy's 3 things. But I do wish Jimmy was on talkin baseball more :)

Awesome research on the error change, really sucks that happened and the worst way to have his streak end. No way that DJ play is an error dude never had a chance of being out

Jimmy really love these videos man. The time and effort you put into these with everything else going on with the company is awesome. I look forward to this every week!

Jimmy is always in his element with his 3 things. So much better to see him be happy about talkin ball and nerding out for us compared to when he was doing talking baseball 3 times a week

Maybe statistically the first two error calls fault the defense twice: the pitcher gets charged a hit and the first baseman is charged. It might be something super technical like not being able to "double-up/down" on stats.

Whose ever idea it was to put a little sepia tint over the documents is a genius. Love these videos but I felt like I just got done staring at an eclipse when they were over lol

"i went and found..." always brings a smile to my face

Ty France went on paternity leave! And then got 3 hits when he came back

Make sure you are using values in the spreadsheet and not a formula in that cell. If you want to see if it works quickly just copy and then right click "paste values". Then try to sort the table.

Thank you so much for making this. It might sound kinda dumb but the baseball world needs to hear about this story. It’s pathetic by the MLB

Albies had one lower than that last night. He didn't hit it off the dirt but it was close

Thank you... Schanuel was screwed but not by who we thought. And BO NAYLOR...thank you also for that recognition as a Cleveland fan who thinks Bo is incredibly underrated in his approach. I love Josh, but that's hilarious he's the other end.

Naylor brothers showed out on National Sibling day today!

To counter, if that's a hit than isn't every extraordinary catch a hit? Or at least count towards on base. What if they make make the throw? The only reason he reached base is an error. If somebody robs a home run you don't count it on the stats as a home run just because it required extraordinary effort. That should only matter to make hard plays not an error for the fielder

Ty France was out for a few games on paternity leave, probably the only Mariner that could make the quality AB list

It should be a single regardless of whether the first baseman caught it or not. It was a tough catch by the first baseman and a rocket shot to the gap.

They originally called it a single with an error because the runner at second went to third after the ball got away. You cannot score a hit AND an error for Schanuel on the same play. The error is in play for the just the base runner.

Does it count if you come up and Angel Hernandez calls the first two pitches strikes, even though they were a combined 3 feet outside and you're forced into a weak swing at a carpy slider?

I think the rule should be, if you make an extraordinary effort to knock down a ball, you are free rolling to try to get the batter out. No errors possible unless the batter takes an extra base.

Man, I just got PTSD of being at work when you were trying to get the Excel sheet to work. (I need a vacation)

Jomboy needs to be on that committee as an overseer

No one goes into the weeds like Jomboy for content

That was a hit. You can also have an error if a different player advances a base (there was a runner on first).

My question is, why does the error ruling end his on base streak? He still reached base on the play regardless, that's what I'm confused about.

Hit and catching error that was in his glove. Mountcastle made a great play I think the ending ruling is on the pitcher since it's a catch error which I am fine with that actually makes the most sense because the play was routine at that point. A hit-and-catch error is what it should have been.

5:01The original call was a single and a throwing error, allowing the other runner to advance. Very common.

Not usually a commenter but wanted to share some insight as a someone who has taken a training session from an MLB official scorer and has been an official scorer at the college level. 1. Scorers are told that there is a separation between the field and the throw. Once the 1B makes a clean stop on the dive, the throw is evaluated separately so if the throw, which can be deemed fairly routine, is bad or if an on-target throw is clearly dropped, it can be an E3 on the throw or an E1 on the catch to allow the runner to reach 1st. 2. Full timing of the play would show that if the pitcher catches the ball, he beats the runner to 1st and the runner would be out so not completing the play created the runner to be safe. If they deemed the play beyond the diving stop to be routine, there’s merit for an error ruling. Very difficult to determine in full speed but slowing it down can help those determinations so if MLB is going to use slow mo replay to determine safe/out on the field, it has to be used to make the most accurate ruling on hit/error. Can absolutely see both sides, just wanted to add additional insight from someone who’s been trained.

I was at that Orioles/Angels game! Live, I felt it should have been a throwing error from the beginning. I am a HUGE Angels fan and Schanuel wasn’t cheated. The other examples aren’t comparable, even the Yankees’ play. The Oriole 1st baseman was CLOSER TO FIRST BASE because he was holding the runner from taking second base. The Yankee player was nearly twice as far from first base when he was in a position to throw the batter/runner out. FYI…You can have multiple scores on a play, especially with runners on base. That said, you cannot score a single base advancement with multiple scores. The original scored hit/error was a hit for the batter and error given that advanced another runner.

What website is he using?

The final missed catch error wasn't on Mountcastle, it was on Baumann. Mountcastle has 0 errors this season still.

That's wild that one Naylor is super patient, selective and/or battling. Meanwhile, the older Naylor is like "swing, swing, swing!"

The error may not have been on the play at first. There were runners at 1st and 3rd. The official scorer has to account for every base that is advanced by every runner. If the runner at 1st took third because of the throw on catch, an error would be assessed to account for the base. The fact that the first baseman made a great stop on the ball is immaterial if there was time to make the play at 1st. It all boils down to whether there was time to make the out at first with ordinary effort AFTER the 1st baseman's initial dive. As a former HS coach, I can tell you that the pitcher covering 1st base is practiced often. They are not just pulling it out of their butt. It is drilled into them, especially in spring training. The 1st basemen on the team are also involved in the drill and they know how to lead the pitcher. This play is not a one off, let's improvise kind of play. It is DRILLED into every pitcher and 1st baseman. Simply put, all that matters is what happens AFTER the stop by the 1st baseman

That Angels announcer was airing all of MLB's dirty laundry and sounded fed up already even though the season basically just started. This is going to be an interesting year for MLB.

Do the scoring changes have anything to do with Galarragas No-Perfect Game?

Batting around. Is it nine batters sent to plate where 9th batter gets last out or is it 10 batters to plate in an inning? Discussed by AJ Pirzinski and other commentator (don't remember his name) who confused a protractor with a compass during broadcast trying to explain the definition of batting around. During Astros/Rangers game 4/13/24 during 7th inning after Astros batted around.

Just got to this video. Just wanted to point out on your Baseball Savant search, those are not the actual highest and lowest pitches hit for base hits. To get that, you need to select "Plate Z" under "Metric Range" in addition to the Included Stats. The lowest currently is 0.57 ft by Ozzie Albies (and yes, that one is quite impressive) The highest is 4.26 ft by Nick Fortes (funny enough, also against the Yankees)

Watching the play unfold, it appears that if the pitcher catches the ball cleanly, the batter is out. Great stop by the first baseman, but if his throw is on target, I believe the pitcher beats the runner to the bag. If the throw or drop results in the batter reaching first base safely, then you have to rule reached on error. I'm not a fan of changing the call days later though. If you cannot come to that determination that day, then leave the call alone.

Could we get a Jomboy Media hosted Analytics course? Pretty sure I could become a beast at Excel/Sheets if it was focusing on baseball