Engi's primaries are really Personal Defence Weapons, as their main role is to allow him to defend himself at close range, not to contribute to the team's DPS output. His secondaries, turrets, and grenades do the jobs that the team really needs him for, which is area denial and quickly deleting high HP targets or clumped up groups of trash mobs.

As a player whose only maximum ranked dwarf and whose main dwarf by extension is Engineer, his primaries (I think) are “supposed” to have synchrony with the turrets, if that makes sense. I presume the devs have an assumption that, when playing Engineer, your turret or turrets (depending on how you build your turrets) are “supposed” to compensate/offset what firepower the primary weapons bring to the table. When you consider Engineer has access to overclocks such as mini shells, turret em discharge or turret arc, explosive chemical rounds or executioner, and mods such as turret whip, the electric mods on stubby, and the range buffing lenses on the lok-1, there is an impression that your primary weapons are aimed to put in work that the turrets do not. The same reasoning can be applied with the secondary weapons, but while the secondary weapons are known for their overkill power in numerous regards, the primary weapons complete the jobs the turrets do not necessarily specialize in. I’ve found the turrets being best at residual damage, swarm slow down, and area control, and this goes for either a one turret or two turret build. Whatever the mission, I am prepared to have all my weapons and tools do work, and I don’t feel like my primary weapons are going to do an undermined job. If I got the warthog, I’ll be reliably taking down the health of larger enemies, which is something the turrets can do, but not always efficiently, especially when the turrets can handle swarms and smaller enemies with more idea efficiency. If I got the stubby, the electricity offsets the raw bullet damage of the stubby, so the ammo efficiency is top notch, and my turrets aren’t wasting ammo inadvertently, and this makes swarms less costly toward ammo. If I have the lok-1, my range is far superior than the range of my turrets, therefore my turret’s longevity is increased, and depending on what overclock I have on, the health of various enemy types are drained quickly with minimal danger. I’ve played and main many engineer type characters in multiple shooters, and from that I’ve learned how much the turret-part of the character is not the main course; rather, the turrets are side dishes and the main course is how well you, the actual engineer, utilize and bring the entire meal together, if that makes sense. If you think a part of your meal is underwhelming or a different part of it is too overwhelming, it’s not necessarily the part of dish at fault, but the synchrony and offset BETWEEN them all that is the reason why for these senses of being underwhelmed or overwhelmed. Do I see why people say Engineer’s primaries are underwhelming? Yes, sure. Do I agree? No, not really, I’m used to the holistic aspect of finding full use in each function of Engineer’s kit. I hope this helps, as long as this comment was! Rock & Stone! Edit 6-1-23: It’s really cool to see all the positive feedback and I’ve since then got every class to Legendary tier as of yesterday!

Engie’s playstyle is less of being the “wall” that bugs have to get through, that’s Gunner’s job, but rather being the guy who thins down the hoard, giving his teammates some extra leeway. His secondaries and turrets excel at that, but his primaries are more focused on supportive roles. The Warthog is good at clearing smaller groups of grunts, Stubby debuffs the bugs, slowing them down, and the Lok-1 clears flying enemies quite nicely.

Engi is built around his ability to control the flow of the bugs, with his Turret at the heart of it all. That's something i think new players might have to learn, as it's not immediately apparent when first starting. Engi has a "loop" to his play, in that you're meant to be traversing the cave while always looking for places for your Turret(s). If you're not proactive with your turret you're going to feel underpowered. The primary is meant to be your "mop up" weapon while you get from one vantage to the next, and to clean up heavier targets your turret is focusing. Engi is very much a class you have to use every tool to make the most of the class, and the primary is just one part of that ensemble. In a vacuum the primaries will look bad in comparison to the other class primaries also in a vacuum. But together with the Turret, grenades and even the platform gun with the bug repellent, that's how you make Engi be the most OP in the game

I think Engi's primaries are perfect, because if you try to defend yourself with JUST your primaries, you will run out of ammo very quickly. Your primary is not for horde clearing, it's for mopping up after your team and your turrets. Whenever I go back to engi after playing other classes for a while I always die a ton, because I forget that turrets are this classes bread and butter. They can be unassuming and you may not notice them when they're there, but you DEFINITELY notice when they're not. With OCs and experience of course this can change a lot, but at baseline this is how the game wants you to think. You are a master of area denial, so while other characters like to hop all over the place during hordes, you are at your strongest when you dig your boots in at one spot and fight like hell.

I feel that the raw power you can get out of Engie's secondaries make the primaries have to be a little underpowered to balance them, but the small pool of ammo for their secondaries makes them run out quickly, while the primaries sometimes feel like they're not doing much. So green beard engie's may be struggling to play the class well from underusing their turrets.

Engi’s primary’s are his *second* line of defence. He was designed to work around his guns, so his primary (which isn’t meant to be his main damage source) takes a backseat to the aimbot guns.

I think if you're overusing Engi's primaries it can really feel like you have a bad ammo economy, but if you're taking full advantage of your turrets, secondary, and throwables it's not bad at all.

I've been playing Engi for a long time and I had forgotten how rough it feels to play him without upgrades and overclocks. As a fully kitted out engi I don't find I have these problems. My warthog damage and ammo management is pretty good. Better than scouts. With experience you will end up fighting along with your turret when the horde arrives and you're only using your primary on its own when moving between caverns.

As an Engineer player- primaries are terrific. Even the stubby which I consider the weakest is still extremely good. His primary can be built anyway the player wants. Engineer is a jack of all trades type dwarf. Single target dmg? Executioner/CycleOverload Swarm clearing? EM Refire/Turret whip. Want infinite ammo? Light-weight rounds. Want a better Warthog? Magnetic Pellet Alignment. Don't even want to aim? ExplosiveChemRounds. This is without accounting for his secondary (which is even stronger in most cases) and his nades (plasma and mine, VERY GOOD STUFF) Whoever complains about ammo issues are forgetting to put down their sentries, lol.

Engineer's damage and contribution to his team is spread out across his entire kit, rather than (mostly) condensed into their weapons like gunner/driller, you gotta use your whole kit to make the most of it.

I believe Engineer's primaries exist to eliminate the survivors of those targeted by his secondary weapons and turrets, his primaries are the sidearm to the power weapons of his secondary slot. That's how I use them anyway, and as general personal defence between large waves of enemies, but whenever there's more than a handful of grunts, the secondary comes out to obliterate them, the sentries deal with swarmers, and the primary extinguishes the survivors that slip past it all.

I honestly haven’t been paying attention to this video but I want to say thank you for the background noise, your tone and delivery is really well done for someone I don’t think is using a script.

Engi's primaries are very good as an all around tool, his secondaries are where his big burst damage lies, the others are more support tools than anything.

I have only played like 30 games with random at most so my sample size is small, but I noticed a lot of engineers usually forget about their turrets, platforms and relied on their primaries and or the damn grenade launcher (usually of the nuke variation) It's a bit frustrating since their primary doesnt help a lot and the nuking get old fast when they are used mindlessly and end up hindering everyone. I understand that setting up turrets is a hassle and requires some planning which many seems to lack (or dont take the fast build upgrade)

I feel like Engineer's primaries are fine, same with the other classes. I agree with having trouble balancing Engi cuz he also has the turrets. The turrets I feel like kinda take away from the ammo Engi would otherwise have had on his weapons. Rock and Stone!

For the engineer Lok-1, I’d love to see a toggle mode between manual fire and lock on, something like that would be interesting. Another concept would be an overclock that removes the lock on entirely, and automatically hits enemies at a certain range or something like that. For shotgun, would absolutely adore slug rounds as an option or something like that. For stubby, always didn’t like it too much. Would be interesting to see it fire something like little nails instead, plenty of fun ideas to mess around with there

I think my favorite combo for engie is shock stubby and diffractor with bonus vs shocked. Incredibly simple, but versatile and effective.

Maybe some tweaks for the stubby and definitely some more interesting warthog overclocks, (Dragon's Breath shells or single Slugs would be really cool) but other than that they do their job. Love your videos, ron!

In the DRG board game, any class can equip any secondary. But Engineer's primaries have become his secondaries and vice versa. So you could be Gunner with his Lead Storm minigun primary and Warthog shotgun secondary. Or you could be Engineer with a Breach Cutter and a Bulldog. I feel as though this strength in secondaries is reflected in the actual game. His primaries are fine.

I use the Stubby with the EM Refire Booster Overclock and the Shard Diffractor with the Efficiency Tweaks Overclock paired with the Shredder Swarm Grenade, Deep Pockets, Veteran Depositer and Resupplier Passive Perks, and Beast Master & Dash Active Perks. I use the Stubby as my primary because a Crowd Control weapon as it generates electric fields that applies the slow down electric effect on multiple grunts, paired with the EM Refire Booster Overclock that increases the Fire Rate, Electric Damage, and Spread which overall makes it better at Croud Contol, while the Fire Rate makes applying the Electricuted status effect a lot faster. as for Mods, I got Expended Mags and Increased Ammo while all the other mods benefit Electrical Damage. I prefer to use the Stubby as my form Croud Control over the Grenade Launcher or Breach Cutter because it removes AOE Friendly Fire towards my Squad and most importantly my Steeve. I use the Shard Diffractor as my secondary because It covers all the weaknesses my Stubby as, being poor Range and Single Armored Target Damage. I have the Nitrogen Vaporizer (Armor Break), Soft Tissue Disruption (Weakpoint Damage), and Hydrogen Rupturing Mods equipped, the Hydrogen Rupturing Mod makes it so the Shard Diffractor does 33% more damage to Electrified Enemies which all makes the Diffractor pair so well with the Stubby. As for my perks and choice in throwable, I like having multiple sources of "AFK Damage" so I can focus a bit more on gathering resources, doing the objective, building, repairing, or hacking while in combat scenarios. such sources of "AFK Damage" are my 1 or 2 Sentry Guns, Steeve Grunt Guard, and Shredder Drones. I have Veteran Depositer and Deep Pockets equipped because it increases my efficiency at gathering and depositing resources, which helps fortify my support role and Resupplier because I believe it's just the best Passive Perk in the game. The faster rate of Resupplying paired with the Increased Health and Magazines filled makes it so much more reliable to resupply during stressful situations, like fighting the Caretaker or clutching a Swarm. My whole Engineer Loadout focuses a lot on Support as I can deal damage and gather resources at the same time which benefits my team strongly.

Lok1 (ECR & 21111) & Shard (VIE & 31111) is my all around engi build. Can handle swarms well (ecr) and melts things at range (hit w lok1 to add electric effect then hit w shard to melt). Absolute snipes things at range.

Stubby is so underrated. It has the kind of cool utility with em discharge and turret arc just like how the lok 1 has the lock feature. The warthog is just kinda underwhelming besides turret whip, and I still barely use that

I like to build the stubby to increase accuracy and damage, basically turning it into a shittier version of the GK2. Very consistent damage even from medium range (20-30m), and tears through grunts with headshots.

Stubby all electricy upgrades+shard diffraction with the bonus damage at electricy=a pretty insane combo in my opinion

I'm a rj250 user. I'm a strong independant engie, i don't need no scout to reach high up minerals!

I've been testing stub builds and it is by far my fav of the 3 primary guns. Running with either the bonus damage for shard and electricity or a nuke build grenade launcher to better hit vital spots after stun. ALL the ammo is needed to make up for lack of damage. Short bursts to mitigate spread and I end with top kills most missions.

One thing I noticed about Engi over my time playing it is that he's not ammo inefficient, at least not to the point most players tend to believe. He is simply very fast to kill stuff, which obviously burns a lot of ammo. After all, your turrets passively engage everything at the range, providing constant firepower. Sometimes it's better to stop pulling the trigger at every enemy that enters your line of sight and let turrets and other players take care of it. You let the guns rip during swarms and dangerous waves, and at High-Value targets.

I mean, they could make an OC for the Lok that turns it into a slow automatic with increased reserve ammo. Not sure that it'd be an amazing OC but at least it could be a different new way to play the gun.

Like TF2 engineer’s primaries are secondaries. Especially the way the classes are designed is three of them have powerful primaries with a lot of ammo with a secondary to back them up when you need either a different function or when you just need a back up. Engineer has the reverse for functionality, but the same order for ammo.

Gotta love the question of "What's the problem with the Engineer Primaries?" being answered with "There is no problem."

Heya, Serket the Baby Engie from last year here. I’ve played a lot more and have obtained a bunch of overclocks for all of Engie’s weapons now. Here’s how I feel about the primaries. Warthog: The middle of the road. It’s reliable, but it’s reliably middling. The best I’ve ever done with it was full-auto at point blank in a Praetorian’s rear. In that specific scenario, it will kill in a regular sized clip. The best thing to really be said about this weapon is that it can sometimes oneshot grunts at point blank, using 1/6th of a magazine. Stubby: The weakest of the three (I have the fewest overclocks for it as well). It doesn’t excel in any category I’ve tried it in. Electric DoT just isn’t that damaging, and is best used for slowing down targets. The best I’ve ever done with it was in a Critical Weakpoint mission, with the +30% Weakpoint Damage upgrade. It was good, I felt. Since then I’ve learned that anything is good on Critical Weakpoint missions. This is Engineer’s worst gun in any slot in my opinion. Lok1: The best of the bunch. To what the Shotgun flaunted earlier, being able to one tap a grunt at point blank, the Lok1 says it can do the same with 3 shots and Electric DoT, or 5 shots and no DoT, through armor. That’s still under 1/6th of a standard 36 round magazine. With overclocks, this thing becomes more useful than you can imagine. Neuro Lasso slows down even Dreadnaught level enemies at effectively no cost. The Clean OC for Magazine size and Target Amount makes the gun a general use beast, capable of blitzing down anything up to a Praetorian. Then, we get up to the big names, and some of my least liked OCs; Executioner will just rip through an enemy’s Weakpoint, while Explosive Chemical Rounds is a straight damage upgrade in the form of an AOE if you play it right. With that said, both of these OCs chug ammo like no other, and are the reason I think the gun runs dry so fast. I don’t use them. The Lok1 is capable of burst damage to high value targets, taking out entire swarms of Swarmers, Exploders, or Shredders, and better yet you can finagle the bullet path to hit behind walls and armor alike. Of course, that’s if you’re not using my new favorite OC. I don’t remember what it’s called, but it allows you to shoot through walls. This ignores terrain and armor alike, the two areas this weapon can suffer. Because it ignores armor, the damage per shot gets better, meaning it can save you ammo as well. This gun is definitively Engineer’s most powerful weapon in any slot, at least in my opinion.

His primary weapons shouldn’t be strong. His secondaries are huge wave clears, and his sentries are good sustained support. His primaries are pretty much for taking out a few stragglers too keep yourself alive

Engie's primaries are fantastic, I don't know what anyone is going on about. And except when I was brand new, I rarely ever have ammo difficulties with Engie. What with turrets, nades, and teammates, I rarely feel much strain on my primary or secondary ammo, unless I'm running an anti-Dreadnought build or Fat Boy.

Engineers weapons are pretty strong. He is by far the most powerful dwarf in the game. His killing potential and capability is insane. He needs a nerf or everyone else a buff

I love the Lok-1 smart rifle and it's my go-to for any mission thats not about killing bosses, since it's weakness is being unable to blast weakpoints that the smart lock cant lock onto (and the turret doesnt really help against either). You can usually make up for this weakness with your secondaries, but I cant bring myself to ever leave the breach cutter behind, so I guess that's on me.

Engineer is, without a doubt, not a single target class. It has single target weapons (shard diffractor, arguably breach cutter) but mostly shines vs masses of little stuff especially in entrenched positions. For example Stubby EM Discharge + Gemini + Plastcrete Catalyst Shard Diffractor or FatBoy PGL absolutely destroys salvage/escort missions because you can kill obscene numbers of bugs with your many sources of area damage even after the turrets are dry. I use this build substantially when playing with basically anyone that deals single target damage (i.e. a minigun/rocket gunner or hyper propellant/breachcutter engineer). I do switch to Seeker Rounds Lok1 for all other mission types though, much easier to avoid the long setup times and better ammo efficiency vs dreadnought and caretaker. That said, I don't think engy is ammo inefficient, I would actually argue the opposite, since normally the reason I'm taking resupplies more than my teammates is because *I'm killing almost everything* and even then I rarely need a second reload from a given supply pod. Of course the instant we get like a bulk detonator or something similarly bullet spongey I struggle but that is what team is for.

For the Lok-1 There is a overclock i got that make up with the ammo consumption it have. And that's the OC that make target explode at the last bullets locked to them (min 3 stacked locks). The thing is if the bug die before the last bullet is shot, the bug explode anyway allowing you to chain effect or to eco some ammo.

I think the main complaint with engi should be that the weapons have a learning curve steeper than most other weapons in the game, learning to let your turrets take care of the hoard, learning to use your grenades to mop up bugs and keep them in LOS if your turrets, knowing the right time to switch to your secondaries to tear through a pack of bugs, also, the weapons themselves have a learning curve, Warthog you realllly want to aim for crits, where with most other shotguns you just want to hit meat shots, Stubby has less of a learning curve (and that’s why it’s kinda underpowered) when not considering overclocks but turret placement becomes really important when you do consider the two overclocks there, and LOKI has one of the steepest learning curves in the game, learning to pick out high value targets and get the most of your bullets can be really powerful, but it’s hard to do. Who would expect the Engineer to make you think?

Something overlooked with the Stubby is the electrical damage, with the somewhat recent buff to Electrified the damage over time is quite good paired with the massive 80% slow that it applies. The problem with it, and other DoTs, is the need for kiting mobs around while they're taking damage and not being sniped by other team mates incurring an ammo wastage. If you see a grunt is at 50% health and taking electric, fire, or poison damage over time, it's almost certainly safe to ignore them and just walk away from them.

I play 3 engie builds, and they use all weapons available. Main build uses Lok-1 + Breach Cutter and can be used for every mission, but it was designed for Eggs, Salvage, Mining Expedition and other kinds of "common" missions. Lok-1 provides AoE and long-range, while Breach Cutter shreds through stronger enemies and large waves. Dreadhunter build uses Shard Diffractor to kill bosses and enemies at long range, while Warthog quickly fends off everything when I'm swarmed. And finally, the nuclear build - Grenade Launcher [obviously with Fat Man] and Stubby with all the ammo mods it can take to offset deficit of ammo caused by Fat Man. This build exists because Industrial Sabotage is such annoying mission that Fat Man makes much easier to complete faster. Each one of primary and each one of secondary weapons of engie offers a solution for different problems, and all find their usage. I think Engie has the greatest variety of available builds, so also extremely high flexibility and adaptability. It's okay that his primaries are somewhat boring, because their task is to provide reliable source of damage, while his secondaries are meant to truly shine.

Cycle overload for the Warthog and Volatile Impact Reactor for the shard diffractor. You got yourself the bread and butter. One only for single target and the Shard diffractor for herd,long range target, heat trap etc :)

Engi was the last one I got promoted and I spent a while with his primaries, so I do have thoughts on them. Warthog= it was dificult to get used to at first but the more I used it the better I got with it and is my go to of the three. Since I have the amo that gives a powered shot to the single turret, it’s basically an extension of my turret. Also even in long ranges the inner reticle you can do some pretty good damage. It is clunky and I can’t handle hoards as good without a good fat boy, so yea it’s basically a support long to close range shotgun in my eyes. Stubby= What I consider to be the highest damage weapon in engi’s arsenal, but eats through amo so that’s why I think people consider it underwhelming damage for amount of rounds spent. It is fun but I definitely add electric damage and week point damage in the tree to make it that much more effective. Also the ark electric upgrade is good on hoards of grunts. Lok-1= fun weapon, versatile for engagements, not enough ammo or not any interaction with the turrets to make it an far more interesting weapon in my opinion. It’s fun to use, not so fun to run out of amo first.

My struggle with engineer is always ammo management. I often wind up sticking with my primary for too long and placing turrets at every opportunity, so typically I’m left with the secondary and the nades I always forget to throw. To solve this I’ve started switching more often or looking for opportunities for the secondary to take out a large group with one shot, remembering that I have grenades, and deciding whether to use 2, 1, or no sentries for a given encounter. For some reason, the LOK is the easiest for me to ammo manage. I go for max ammo grenade launcher so I can use it more freely and mostly engage priority targets and that seems to disappear my issues with ammo.

the way I use engie's primaries makes them my favorite primaries in the game (aside from stubby, I ain't touchin' that with a ten foot pole, it feels ass to use imo) by just equiping MPA (magnetic pellet alignment) on the warthog to just pop the heads of grunts and unload into weakpoints of larger bugs, it feels great, and the best feeling way to use the Loki is with ECR (explosive chemical rounds), same idea but more for crowds and only firing bursts of 3 at tanky bois. (to clarify I play on haz 5 almost exclusively, solo and with groups, and I consider myself skilled enough that I can just go for what FEELS best/most satisfying, rather than just what's most effective so I don't use the breach cutter, cuz it might technichally be the best secondary (or at least i've seen many who think it is) but it doesn't have the same OOMPH as the GL or the pure GHWEEEEERRR of the lazer)

The Stubby is my engi workhorse if I'm single playing. With a crew, I use the smart gun and focus on Mactera and position control. Also in missions that involve a lot of position defense (Salvage, Sabotage) I may used the EMP whip which allows me to focus on high value targets.

I thought the same yesterday and I looked for a video about it, I think it makes sense forcing you to learn to use the turrets, and I ended up finding myself with the Stubby ^^

Well. That's a tough one. I would say all primaries without OCs underperform more than you would think or want from them. But at the end of the day you'll still be using your full kit, not just primary. It comes off to how each person builts their engineer. I have loc-1 with exe OC modded fully for damage, min window, min locks; run out of ammo pretty fast but still it's the best gun and oc combo for doing extremely good DPS and have it dedicated mostly for high value targets. 2nd is breach cutter with balanced OC with electricity and modded 1-1-1-1-2(if I remember correctly) main horde killer. It's my main and only build(for now) but I got with it through up to gold promotion and in 95-96% of games I was top by kill count (and yeah, I constantly forget about my turrets). Still will be figuring out voltaic smg and a shotgun at a latter date when I get my Fat Boy OC for grenade launcher(it's the last OC I don't have for engi :

New to DRG, and my most advanced class by a mile is Engineer. I find I really enjoy the shotgun, and rather than going in with lots of ammo, I focused on increasing its armor penetration and tightening its spread. In fights, I let my turrets work on small targets (Gemini with increased range) while I break the armor off larger targets (praetorians chiefly) and distant enemies. I feel this reduces ammo use across the team. For up close, I prefer to toss lures where I see groups of enemies concentrating, and to give it time to cook before blasting the area with my secondary (increased damage and spread). I've accounted for all ranges, and true to my username, I picked up mobility and support perks to get to allies faster, get them up, and give them a shield boost pat on the back for their trouble.

I like this video format pretty much, would like to see the same for other classes! For exemple, i love the reworked GK2 on the scout, especially with a boosted fire rate, but damn, i can't help but feel like you run way too quick out of ammos with it, especially compared to the Drak. Drak is very powerfull, and seems to have a waaaay better viability for ammo consumption needed to kill anything( except for very big targets, like bigger than praetorians, maybe, but anyway, secondary weap is there for opressors, dreads and stuff like breeder). You can go to double ammo capacity with Drak than with GK2, and GK2 does'nt really feel better at killing things quick imho. I know Drak consumes a bit more ammos than GK2 to deal a similar amount of damage, but i still feel like i can kill way more enemies with it before having to resupply. I think they should improve a little bit the ammo capacity of GK2, because this is the kind of weapon where i know i would always pick ammo capacity instead of damages( even if the damage boost really is great), or i'll run out way too soon in haz 5. What do you people think? Do you agree that there should be some balance improvement between Drak and GK2? I feel like if i don't run B.O.M or A.S.E with lower fire rate but greater damage potential, then i'll just go through ammos way too quick( and i don't enjoy the gun as much without a great fire rate increase). While i can just go BRRRR with Drak and T.E.F/ Impact deflection, or even O.P.A, with max fire rate, and not run out of ammos that quick. I don't even feel the need of taking ammos upgrade with drak, damage boost still allows me to handle a bunch of swarms before resup.

DRG is all about play style and taste. I started playing with the engineer, but as of now I believe it's the most challenging kit overall. Driller: area dps, lots of ammo, can drill tunnels to avoid ambushes and flanking. Gunner: lot of firepower, different weapons, shield is an unbreakable barrier, mountains of ammunition. Scout: great firepower for both short and long range, cool grenades, lots of mobility lots of versatility. Engineer: main weapons have limited range. Very limited range. Secondary weapons are cool, but have few, very few ammunitions. Can't traverse terrain quickly, can't burrow or fly or hover midair. Turrets take time to build and target one enemy at a time. Flares are somewhat dark, too.

Engineers get twice the kill count of any other class in pretty much every game I ever played. I run Executioner LOK, Breach Cutter with returning rays for hordes and Shredder Swarm Grenades for personal protection. Yes, I may tend to spend ammo a little bit faster than everybody, but I feel that I'm using it way more efficiently than any other class.

I think the Warhog and the Loki are perfectly balanced as they are, if you want to have a longer encounter you grab more ammo or you grab damage. the SMG though... just feels too weak without overclocks. It needs an overclock to just be on the same level as the Drak WITH LESS AMMO. Of course I use all three, but mainly the shotgun, full damage.

I think people expect engie to just clean hordes on it's own but like other classes in DRG, they all fill in the gaps of each other. Giving engie the same fire power of another class would make it unbalanced

In addition to the flexibility you mentioned, I would add as an engineer main that he has the greatest number of combos with weapons. Almost all of his weapons interact with his other weapons/turrets, or have increased damage when stacked on effects from other weapons. Things like using the stubby to proc shock damage on a bug then finishing it with the diffractor, or using turret whip to get better ammo efficiency from his turrets, or using the BC to set a target on fire so the LOK can do better damage, or exploding platforms with the SD for massive CC... Even without playing smart, engineer gets top kills almost every mission, so it's hard to argue that he needs a buff. A good engineer can double the gunner's kills by playing to the strengths of all engineer's tools.

Only problem I have with Engineer's primaries in particular is the ammo economy. He's up there with Scout for running out of ammo before the other two dwarves. That being said, I exclusively run the stubby with the EM refire booster overclock to mitigate low ammo reserves. The stubby turns into a tap fire stun gun; never holding the trigger down. This way you're primary is more of a 80% slowdown gun, and less of a "I need to delete this bug with my low ammo pool shotgun/lok". Letting bugs die to electric DoT gives good sustain. Slap on whatever perks/OCs that are boosted by electricified enemies (looking at you, shard diffractor) and you'll be a bug stomping machine. Engineer's primaries are really ment to complement his kit through synergies, and for self defence pinches. Most of the time your turrets and secondaries will be used for general clearing or total damage. The primaries are their to get those tools setup. Besides reworking the shotgun to single shot grunts in the head without perks/OCs and giving lok way more base ammo I don't see too many problems with the primaries. They do their job, that job just isn't as straightforward as say, a Gunner's primary.

Being a veteran of drg, i have to admit that the problem with engi primary slot is strictly related to the capacity of pushing out dmg quickly on every single slot he has, i rarely see drillers and gunners being upfront in total kills when the engi is decent on haz5 lobbyes, and if we talk about purely ammo economy builds (no, not nukes...) like stubby em discharge+twin turrets+diffractor overdrive there's nothing an engi cannot face by himself while retaining a better ammo economy then most drillers (unless all the team agreed to play in tunnels and he runs sticky flames) and a good chunk of gunners too (since not everyone runs neurotoxin), endless hordes? discharge using 3/4 bullets into ur turret and run circles, praets? lazor deathbeam is here if you feel like frying, else treat them as horde parts and mix them in while horde clearing! And ammos into turrets are just optional ofc since the explosion costs only primary ammos! That's just one portion of the problem wich brings up the next one: engies especially when noob tend to burn ammos faster then a scout on gk2 trying to horde clear, with the difference that engies will always perform decently due to having really good baseline weapons with upgrades that can exagerate the burst damage sacrificing ammos and total damage, but that's strictly related to learning when to do what and why, many times players forget that repositioning is better then obliterating everything in sight especially if there are ways to deal with the problem in a more efficient way that won't chew 15% of your ammo pool (talking about shotgun) istead of 7/8% of a flamer user for example, or even less than 4/5% of a neurotoxic gunner (that's actually a pack of 25/30 grunts in an average haz5 4p cluster), while a detonator during escort needs to be burnt down when far from dotty so it's worth being inefficient but faster and to do it, people tends to look at engie and scout while helping with gunner to shield and let the dps flow freely and leaving the horde management to driller istead (it's proofed that any driller of any skill level can roast 5 grunts and toss an axe into that detonator, or in the scout's back). Another thing that many forget is building for efficiency and specialyze each slot into something, like mpa warthog is good to clear and self defence cos of turret whip and a really long distance one shot headshot on grunts and other stuff, secondary should be good for larger hp targets then, like shard diffractor (it's probably the most versatile secondary the engi has) or hyperprop (pgl goes yeet) or a breach cutter (just spawm left click till it stops moving). Coming back the the vid title, i don't see any problem in engies primary weapons, unless having to learn when it's worth using what is a problem ofc.

596hr miner here and i feel like engies primaries are supposed to be a bit underwhelming. it doesnt feel great at first, but once u look at his kit overall and actually try to understand it, its not that bad. i feel that engie is the one class that can easily utilizes all his kit at once. i mainly use the stubby as i initially liked the better range i got out of it vs the hog. plus im not usually a big fan of shotguns in hoard type shooters as its not quite the weapon type to be dealing with tons of enemies unless given the ammo. i dont dislike the hog as much as i used to, but still dont prefer it. lok does lack in ammo tho, i think pretty much everyone is in agreeance of that. im not a big fan of it tho, i dont really like ecr. executioner is the only oc i like, but its still plagued by the low ammo. once the shard diffractor was released, the hydrogen rupturing(33% more damage to electrocuted targets) made the stubby and shard my favorite engie build

Eh Engi has the breach cutter, which means the primary has to be underwhelming or the class would be OP. Breach cutter has so much crowd clear and crowd control with quick deploy + stun that also having a spammable ammo efficient primary would simply make other classes redundant. Basically Engi is a force multiplier. He works well with Scout placing platforms and providing swarm clear, he works well with Driller by constructing terrain where the Driller can take it away, and he works well with Gunner by providing burst damage, either single target or AOE. In all cases, he supports the other dwarf and makes him more efficient comparing to going at it alone. Engi's weaknesses are a lack of a "get off me" button outside of lures and breach cutter's quick deploy + stun, his ammo efficiency which steers him towards more of a supporting role, and his reliance on being set up with turrets and platforms already down when the swarm comes, and when he's caught with his pants down he's pretty vulnerable. Play Engi right and you can carry really hard, top the scoreboards (at least when the Driller's sleeping), solo haz 6 2x, do whatever you want to do, but you will rely more on your secondary than your primary, and for most situations you'll need to think of breach cutter as your primary and your actual primary as just single target damage. Of course this assumes you're a filthy breach cutter spammer like me. Remember, when in doubt, you're not spamming breach cutter hard enough. Spam harder. For primary, try shotgun with magnetic pellet alignment, or lok with executioner. If you're not running breach cutter for some reason, lok with explosive chemical rounds when you need more AOE. For stubby, its utility is limited outside of turret arc or turret em discharge, but those 2 overclocks make stubby viable. Last note has to go out to my fellow high ping sufferers: lok, because of its charge-up mechanic, can get very glitchy on ping 100+, sometimes the game will drop inputs and not register and you'll be holding down charge and nothing is happening, and by sometimes I mean a lot of the time. So with high ping, forget it, just play shotgun with pellet alignment, except in industrial sabotage where you really do need the extra range. Lok is more for ping under 50, but maybe if you're blessed with a functional connection and a friend group that doesn't live half the world away you'll have a better time. And of course forget playing Driller with awful ping, trying to animation cancel axes on ping 120+ with severe packet loss is like trying to scale a skyscraper made out of wet soap when you have no hands. It ain't gonna happen. Maybe with a macro, but that's kinda cheating.

I'm glad someone knows the feeling, like I've used the shard defractor (also known as the SUPER LASER PISS) As my primary ngl, because his primary's are just kinda...eh plus with his new grenade and turret are super great for support which o believe is his primary role, although I feel his shotgun is the best primary weapon

Imo the Lok1 is in a fine spot as far as damage output goes, really helped by the fact its remarkably good at hitting mactera in their weak points and wiping out otherwise annoying to hit enemies like swarmers and naedocytes. The other two do feel like they dont really properly come into their own at least until you get them some OCs. I rarely use the shotgun myself, but my go-to stubby build is an ammo build focusing on using the turret aoe OC (whose name escapes me) and does do the job well enough.

I use the lok1 allot with explosive chemical rounds and the pgl with hyperprop. Using electro chemical rounds and electrifying+igniting something the lock one becomes very strong against single targets as well as crowd control. The only time I really feel myself burning through ammo too quickly with this build is when I am using my turrets poorly

I agree a lot with what most people have said here in that engis primaries feel more supplementary to his kit as general purpose self defense weapons, where your turrets make up for more DPS and your secondaries are there for the big swarms or hvts, which can sometimes be in contrast to the other classes, mainly driller and gunner (with some build exceptions) whose main weapons very much are the focal point of their damage against swarms/hvts. That said Loki feels horrible to use because yes it doesn't have a whole lot of ammo or feel ammo efficient, which don't get me wrong you can get around with experience and practice with it, but it doesn't help the weapon, but also you have to spend so much time locking on or setting up the right amount of locks on targets which is almost counter intuitive to a fast past Horder shooter like DRG. I think the gun needs a re-work to make the lock on instant, with some sort of mechanic that still comes into play so you still have to actually play the game. Or scrap the lock as a whole, tbh I always felt like that mechanic would've made more sense for the gunners new rocket launcher. But at the very least some changes would be appreciated

My only problem with them is that ECR Lok-1 outclasses all of his other primaries in crowd control by such a significant margin that I always end up using the Lok-1 and never his other primaries because all of his secondaries are so much more flexible

As an engie regularly running haz 5 on their own or leading less experienced dwarves, I can't see myself using anything other than the ammo efficient DPS/CC work horse that is the Stubby. Especially since I unlocked EM Refire Boosters. It really feels like the only thing holding it back is the user's ability to aim the dang thing since it can be hard sometimes under pressure. It saves ammo on weaker targets and can shred if you need it to. I've always felt alone on this for some reason though, even though it's proven its worth time and time again for me. I too often find myself struggling at range or with ammo on the shotgun, or getting annoyed sweeping for targets on the LOK-1. Again this is with dwarves who aren't as experienced and may not be playing optimally (killing enough bugs to counteract the enemy-per-player multiplier for example), but I seriously value its well roundedness, which also sums up why I play Engie in the first place.

My favorite load out with eng is shotgun and breach cutter but dang it hurts not being able to clear distant targets.

I play engi for a bit now. When fighting big guys with my friends like boss fights, I tend to try and focus the little guys so my teammates can focus strictly on the boss, I throw down a lure (dreadnought don't get lured) and than crowed control them with whatever the grenade launcher gun is called. Seems pretty effective and platforming areas and having that fall protection is amazing. Though I have messed up sometimes thinking the fall protection is endless (it's not, you'll still die if it's to far)

Engi was the class I started playing this game with, and I recently got back into playing it about a couple weeks ago. I've promoted him and unlocked every weapon with at least a full suite of upgrades for each, and I've gotten a feel for his playstyle through both solo and general multiplayer. Engi feels to me like the backbone of the team, setting up his autonomous turret(s) to hold down areas and using the platform gun for reliable traversal and setup for other dwarves' skillets like Gunner and Scoot. As a general rule, the load of his damage kit is focused on one thing: dealing with swarms of grunts and medium glyphid units. Engis weapons, while absolutely capable of damaging and killing larger enemies, are not suited for such kills, as they often take more ammo than is worth it outside of solo play. The class grenade is the only reliable means of putting larger glyphids off course, which allows heavy hitters to deal with them more reliably. The primary weapons are strong enough to allow the Engi to fend for themselves, but not be so strong as to make the choice of them mandatory for success. Power is spread evenly between the turret(s), primary, heavy, and utility of the Engi, making them very well rounded, which can be said for basically all the dwarves. And the choice of what you prefer in a weapon is absolutely available for thought in any player. The Warthog is a workhorse shotgun, and always reliable. The Stubby provides ammo capacity and utility in an easy to use package, with a lot of flexibility between damage and sheer volume of bullets. The Lok-1 is a great weapon for sheer damage output, allowing some of the best DPS in class at a severe cost in ammo capacity. Secondaries are a bit harder to justify. Each unlock exceeds the last in terms of usefulness based entirely on design and ammo capacity for damage. GL is a great weapon because it's a massive blast radius with high damage. But it's outclassed by the line gun because the line gun does as much damage to multiple targets with more ammo at less risk to your allies. Which then the line gun gets out classed by the Shard Diffractor because the laser has even more ammo, never needs to be manually reloaded, has perfect accuracy and instant damage output with a lot of damage involved because of the reliable burn and a constant ticking of damage. And because it does a small amount of damage over many ticks, it does less overall damage to allies if you accidentally tag them with it, and you can adjust your aim to miss them entirely thanks to the small laser pointer of death. Might I also say it can be modded to absolutely delete armor off enemies? It has some of the most reliable armor shredding I've ever seen. Shard Diffractor cannot be topped by just about any weapon in this game, only matched by the freaking Cryo cannon in terms of power and usefulness.

As an Engie main, I can tell you straight up that the engineer is the single strongest sustained damage class and not even by a little. Two turrets are effectively 2 more teammates that can't take damage and just need a little ammo now and then. The Shotgun is a fantastic weapon to pair with turrets, the smg is good as a combo weapon, and the Lok-1 (my favourite) is basically good at everything. Once you get the "Ignores terrain and armour" overclock you are limited by your ability to target enemies alone. Besides that it can boost its own damage a LOT by fire/electro damage + Electro/fire damage boost (50 damage per bullet that ignores all armour). Mix that with either the Grenade launcher + fire or Shard Defractor and the instantly on fire upgrade and you will kill Praetorians on has 4 with your eyes closed. I always have kills in the triple digits, even got 550 kills on a single mission. I hope I'm wrong about Gunner but every time I play gunner I feel massively under powered. I'll keep leveling him up and unlocking stuff so I can hopefully change my mind.

I don't think the engineer is underwhelming at all as I love the Shotgun for absolutely deleting hp high enemies if you get right in their weak points. In general I can consistently get the same number of kills as 2 or 3 dwarves combined on hazard 4/5 missions as I spend my time mopping up the small enemies and picking off high hp enemies with the Gunner or Scout. Driller can Synergize well with turrets as they both can soften up the targets they focus on and finish off waves of enemies.

I really hope lok1 gets a tap fire overclock. It could replace your tap shot with a 3 round burst that dose more damage and has a shorter delay between bursts, but you have less locks and it takes longer to lock

For new Engis without overclock as well as for greybeards: the turret whip mod in the shotguns tier 5 is an absolut must have imo. Makes handeling groups and praetorians so much easier

I feel like the only engi primary i see there being an issue with is the Stubby. The lok1 and warthog easily blow through most targets even with the "ammo tightness", but the stubby feels like you're shooting blanks even with the electricity. Not so much that its weak, but just that it doesn't feel incredible to use. I feel like if they bumped the base damage just a tiny bit it may feel more impactful.

IMO: engi has the least surviability out of the classes. Gunner has sheild, scout has grappling hook, driller has vampire+drills (though this is a bit iffy), while engi has really nothing. This seems to be balaced out by having a ready made self defense weapon in your primary, as well as an absolute powerhouse of a weapon in your secondary, along with the consistent damage of the turrets. You can potentially tear through a swarm on haz 5 if you play your cards right, and thats the trick: playing your cards right. You dont have just 1 main tool and a secondary, like driller and gunner, you effectively have multple different tools: primary, secondary, plats with repellent, grenades and turrets. This means you have muiple specialized tools that are trickier and riskier to use, but have a better reward. This may be a bad take, feel free to rip me apart in replies.

I basically never run out of ammo with the LOK-1, but I don't mindlessly shoot at everything. I use it mainly to weaken groups of enemies so my team and my turret have an easier time killing them. In conjunction with the turret, specially, the LOK-1 is a beast. You can instantly put a group of enemies on low health so your turret finishes them off with 2 or 3 bursts.

It's hard to say if anything about engi's kit needs improving since I see countless times engi getting highest kill count even with ammo problems along with all their other versatility. If it wasn't for the shields, I'd say gunner doesn't have anything to offer that engi or driller can do better (and this is coming from a gunner main).

Just going into this video as someone who only plays engineer and has never tried the other classes. The idea people not liking the primary options baffles me. Everything just feels so good. You have; punchy ammo efficient shotgun, potentially highest dps at the cost of ammo efficiency smg, and finally auto aim smg that balances ammo efficiency with being over all underwhelming in all categories (including ammo efficiency, over all my least favorite primary but still think it’s fun). And that’s only engineers first set of primaries lol. Engineer has no "secondaries", they have 2 primaries you have to balance. One of my favorite bulls for engineer as (I think) the highest dps smg build with trash ammo efficiency, balanced with a grenade launcher that sacrifices damage and even (some) area of effect for 18 ammo. This build really turns your “secondary” into the weapon you’re gonna be using 60-80% of the time, and your "primary” into your situational tool for killing bug baddies in 2 seconds flat but at the cost of a magazine or 2 or 3. Engineers weapons amazing, I’m constantly top scoring(as far as kills go) with engineer solely cause the set of primaries you get in combination have no weaknesses. Honestly engineer’s turrets where what w drew me to the class as a new player, but even if you told me I couldn’t use them anymore, I’d still love the class for having such great diversity of builds you can make viable for hazard 5 just by nature of how the class has 2 sets of primaries.

I like the Smart Rifle as it, but if there is a sizable amount of people who don't like the lock on mechanic, I don't see why there can't be a red overclock that makes it into a full auto SMG, maybe more spread then the GK2 so as to avoid stepping on its toes as the "big boy full auto," but let it just dump its mag into whatever dreadnought that dare come within 2 meters of you. Or if they feel that is still to close to the GK2, maybe make it instead of a lock on, you can prime bullets like the base gun, but when you release the trigger, they go in a perfect straight line regardless of if an enemy in range. To add a little skill maybe have it that the bullets explode at the end of its "lock on range," and you can see the measure as you hold down the button. Every 5 meters of distance there is a dot where it can explode for extra damage if you hit a target at that range. Instead of just lining up the laser pointer, you are trying to hit the enemy at the perfect distance.

I like the stubby a lot, there's really not a situation where it's bad to use except for maybe long range stuff which is easily offset by running the shard diffractor or rj250 to get in close. It hits like a fucking truck if you build it for crit spot damage. It's also a really great support weapon if you use the electricity build as you can slow things down to a crawl and pretty much negate any threat that a bulk detonator or oppressor might pose to the team while the more damage oriented classes take care of it. It's a good jack of all trades type weapon.

Engi's weapons can be weak but with the right mod choices you can be alright... then you start getting overclocks and he scales into space. If I could change anything I'd give the warthog 1 extra round per mag (just so that it doesn't feel like you HAVE to have magazine capacity all the time), I'd like a rapid fire stubby build that does good damage comparable to the GK2, and the loki I'd significantly buff damage and maybe reduce innate bullet spread so it could function a bit as a dmr with it's base non-lockon fire [I didn't really like using it till I had the overclock that causes explosions which is nice but is the definitive version of the weapon in my opinion].

The main problem with Engineer is that his turrets have no fucking ammo reserves. You get 1-2 engagements, and then you have to hit up the resupply (and a double dip, at that). They need to at least double the ammo reserve for his turrets, so that you can go 3+ swarms without resupplying (and comfortably so) like the other three classes. Alternatively, improve the turret AI so that they only fire at enemy weak points (and just simply do not fire if they can't hit a weak point), which would accomplish the same thing for their ammo economy.

I tend to use EM refire booster voltaic with max rpm when doing a run and gun engine build, like morkite or elimination. On point defense missions like salvage and point extract I dig in with ECR smart rifle. I consider both of those primaries very useful for their particular use. Never got the shotgun to work for me, I've tried all kinds of different builds but I felt like I underperformed every time I tried. It's a shame because I really like shotguns in videogames usually

i usually played the warthog 12222 with magnetic pallet allignment and a breachcutter ammo bulid ( 11123- light-weight cases). you can oneshot netspiders on the other side of a cave. super high damage, but you gonna need good and fast aim because of the low ammo of the warthog. as for the breach cutter, just send it everytime you see more than 4 enemies in your closer range. also you can stun bigger enemies easyly with it to then pick out with that precision shotgun. this is the only bulid out of all 4-clases im able to have more kills than the entire rest of the team. acually got that mulitiple times on that bulid. mostly HAZ-4. to be said, this is a bulid for the sweat's.

I think really the only criticism I can truly get behind as far as Engi's primaries go is the ammo count on the LOK-1. As it stands the damage up at tier 1 might as well not exist because I am never giving up the extra 40% ammo. 72 rounds is huge when your base capacity is only 180, and several of the LOK-1's OCs lower ammo capacity. I think they should just make the base ammo capacity slightly higher; maybe just two extra spare mags for a total of 228 base, and then leave the ammo mod at 72 for a maximum ammo of 300 on the dot. At the very least, I might actually use the damage up at tier one that way. The warthog could use some more overclocks, it's a bit strange that it and the Zhukovs are the only weapons with only 5 OCs, but otherwise it's a solid weapon with a lot of variability. The Stubby is highly underrated in my opinion, and a lot of people just don't know how to use it. I find myself bringing it on pretty much any deep dive since it's the only truly ammo efficient option.

I don't see why no one ever brings up the Seeker Rounds Overclock for the Lok-1. Everyone always talks about Explosive Chemical Rounds, which I DO have available, but haven't ever unlocked yet. The Seeker Rounds are great in my opinion, really good for Dreadnoughts & Oppressors.

The engineers smg is rly good if you add weakspot upgrades on it cos you can use your secondary for crowd control and the smg for big targets like oppressors

I think the Engineer's primaries are pretty good, but the only problem I have is my own understanding of how to use them to their strengths or how to know what role they play how to learn what they're best at doing with the rest of his kit. (it's part of the reason I want a Firing Range so I can practice with his full kit without having to do it in the field, because raw numbers on the equip menu doesn't portray what the weapons are good for.) So the only thing I'd want changed, is to have new ways to learn about the kinds of roles the dwarf's weapons fill, inside the game itself (I.E. in game, and not have to look up what the roles they best fit are). I'm sure an addition like that would help a good chunk of greenbeards and even grey beards like myself who still struggle sometimes

Diehard engie main here, I have 300 hours in just engineer gameplay. I agree that ammo is a bit lacking for sure. However, Like some other people have said in the comments, he’s meant to use all his tools at once. In my own personal experience, when you do this, he can easily excel in all combat, very commonly having the most kills on the scoreboard by a landslide. Build his entire class for hoard killing, and then build one of the weapons you use for big targets. I think turret whip is incredibly underrated on him. And obviously the nuke launcher is a game saver when the hoard is wiping the team out.

Guys, one thing that I love about both TF2 and Deep Rock Galactic engi class (and that's something you have to understand to play well with it) is that engineer is a SUPPORT class!! You guys will get a MUCH clearer view of the purpose of each weapon with you think "how does this help my team?": -The shotgun gives the engineer independency for doing quite a reliable damage when properly upgraded, that's why it comes first, so you won't have a hard time on solo. -Stubby is the most supportive one: hindering enemies actions so the team "fighters" can put them down easily. -LOK1 is really good for taking down airborne enemies, thinning down hordes of weak enemies, hitting weak points and preserving ammo.

Personally, I started off as an engi, and I always felt his primarys where lacking because of his overall firepower, turrents for area of denial, and secondaries and nads that are great swarm clearers, so when I switched off him to experiment with other classes, I realized how hard it can be to play him sometimes, compared to gunner's high damage output in basically every situation, driller's abilty to shred with status effects, and scouts crazy movement potential and high damaging secondaries, engi is ironically hard to play. Not to mention how slow engi's traversal tools are, yeah it helps scouts not fall to their death when grabbing stuff from the roof or a high wall, but when alone it is rather slow to use, I mean even gunner has a more precise and fast movement option, and you can be knocked off a zipline with like 2 hits! Personally I feel like his smart rifle or stubby needs a bit of a rework, as well as the shotgun with its mods, while I like it, the way his mods are set up you really don't have alot of wiggle room, as even with loaded or damagd up its still a two tap on higher hazards, which kinda drains ammo when you don't even have more than 100 rounds, I will say turret whip is an S tier mod though, litterally no reason not to get it, as your basically trading one shotgun ammo, and 5 turrent ammo for a 120 damage blast that ignores armor, at least I think thats the damage. What do I know though, Im just a filthy scout main now.

For me, the biggest thing about engineer is that there isn't a primary that's approachable for everyone. Every one of the primaries has something strange going on. The Warthog is a robust and flexible combat shotgun and within that it excels. That said, not everyone likes robust, flexible combat shotguns. Fair enough. Stubby is an SMG, and to that extent it's fairly straightforward. That said, it ditches pure damage output in favor for electric procs, which is something that a player might not like. Fair enough. Loki is... weird, and there's no two ways about it. It's janky, and people who like jank (like me) will like it, but people who just want a solid primary option won't enjoy it. Fair enough. And, given that I keep saying 'fair enough', maybe it's not too surprising that there's people out there who don't click with any of the three. Other classes all at least have one weapon that's very much inoffensive, and can be picked up and ran with. Gunner's Minigun has rubbish accuracy at the start of its spool-up, but it isn't that big of deal, not with some mods. It can be gotten used to easily enough. Scout's GK is a boring assault rifle by default, but it's also reliable and customizable. And you may think I've written myself into a corner with the Driller, but in reality the Driller's reliable weapon is a secondary: the Subata. No matter what primary you bring, no matter what else you have going on, the Subata will work fine. You can gripe about it being semi-auto or any number of things, but I defy you to tell me it will not work and be perfectly passable at it. Between the all slightly off primaries and heavy secondaries, Engineer doesn't have something comparable. The Warthog is closest, but it falls off at range in a way that the others don't. With that in mind, if Engineer got a solid semi-auto rifle, or even warthog overclock that changed it to slugs, I think a lot of people would really like it.

Short, sweet, and to the point. Good video bro

Engy is 100% support class. I haven't been using fancy turret whip builds or the turret arc build, but if I have a complaint it's the the turrets don't have enough ammo. The primaries are, as noted, better for PDW's but the Lok-1 rifle is great situationally (fester flies/swarmers/Naedocytes come to mind). Couple the PDW's ability to get the bugs off you with the secondaries and you're good. The breach cutter is a beast, the grenade launcher does work, and the shard diffractor is really fun with the plastcrete catalyst build.

Everyone sets expectations for gameplay functions, but in reality every tool has upsides and downsides it's just up to us as players to find the uses.

I play engi with two builds, big game hunter and crowd control. Stubby- hydrogen cell- Lazer or chem rounds with electric bonus on Loki. For cc I do micro shells max ammo and fire rate but I take turret whip+ extra reserves because you get good value, with ssgs and packrat + fire gpl

i pretty much only use magnetic pellet alignment but that makes the warthog pretty much perfect. other overclocks may need a buff

Sorry for little side track here, would you mind consider making a video about the best / efficient load out for each class for Industrial sabotage plz. Since dev really love them especially Driller. Cheers

People are dumb. Full auto shotty is absolutely metal in addition to being an incredibly useful and versatile weapon.

my interpritation is that you are meant to be using your primary while fighting alongside your turret, keeping it loaded and supplimenting its damage because the combined damage of your primary and a sentry on 1 target is a lot and the croud clearing of your primary on one target and your sentry on another is also a lot

I dabble in all classes, mainly scout and driller, but you hit the nail on the head. Engi's weapons are flashy on secondary, and serviceable on primary. Since his strength is in his secondary, at least depending on how you build him, I think that's fine. The only one that I think is conflicting is the lok-1. I never knew how to put it into words, but I think taking away from the constant combat is the best way to say it. Minigun might have a rev up time, but the lock on doesn't feel impactful. The best use I've had for it is killing swarmers and jellyfish, but the turrets do that already. I'm kinda curious how many people even use it.