FrakU2 you are 100% correct sir. however the haters would've hated the first iterations of the p-51, carped about its initial weaknesses, and prevented the further development that made it a great aircraft. its what they do

LOL, just have a look to other countries' fighter research and development. Then come back to apologize.

What are "haters"? Why would anyone reasonable hate F35? We would not be here if we all didn't love aviation.. it's just a matter of facts...if F35 prove itself as F15 or F16 why hate? But it's yet to be seen..Sure, Russians have amazing jets but they have problems too, and no cash as US.. I love a good jet, don't we all?

You should have heard all the trash talk about the F-15 and A-10 ...now they don't want to lose them....go figure

Their intentions in showing this is to sell more f16 coz its much easy to mass produce, compared to more complicated to build f35

Paul, you must have access to all that classified info ;-)

a c t i f b l o g e r i n g e n e e r s *stealthiness, an inherently passive quality of an object* "actif stealth" would be jamming. The F-35 has the best sensor fusion outside video games and the electronics are s h i t e compared to any 5th gen.

Paul Kruijmer Wrong, and the Rafale is not a fifth generation fighter!

Get his ass kicked.............. It's sad this guy needs to talk positive. When he doesn't his career is over.

Schwanzel Stock If that were true he'd shit talk the fuck out of it. Pilots are leaving the USAF at a rate of like 100/year, and the shortage is already almost 1,000 pilots deep.

They're just socialist larpers who hate anything that remotely makes America look strong. They also hate our defense budget and think that that money would be better off making them feel comfortable so they don't have to work. Most people love the F-35.

GuMpAkC...You know what really bothers me about people who cry about the defense budget? It is when you look at percentage of GDP spent on defense the United States is in the middle of the pack. Countries like China spend far more money as a percentage of GDP on defense than we do. It explains why China has a massive military that dwarfs our own. Also you could scrap the ENTIRE federal budget and give ALL the money to the poor. In the end you would still have poor people. Since the 1960's the Government has spent 13 TRILLION dollars in the "War" on poverty with ZERO measurable results. That makes me think of the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.

Not just F-35 pilots, or even fighter pilots, even bombers, fuelers, and transport aircraft seem to love this plane.

spikedpsycho ur 100% off. It has more thrust them must all jets jut not the top speed. This jet has a better kill ratio then any jet in US or Europe including SU29's . The B version finished Red Flag at 110/0 against all and the A version finished 147/5. And for cost its 90 million. So your way off on knowledge.

psycho -- over 300 F35s now. And they're still dominating their engagements. The biggest complaint about 4th gen fighters going against the F35 "we never located the F35 before it killed us". By end of 2018 - 400 F35s. By end of 2020 should be 600 F35s, all F35s at or below 100$ mil/ea with F35a at $80mil. RUS propaganda couldn't kill the program though they desperately tried, even with leftists media on their side. More countries begging to buy the F35 including UAE. How many lined up for SU57? That's right, none.

Also its resolution is akin to trying to look at any of the lunar landing sites on the moon, by taking a picture with a nokia.

And for that alone, no one is really worried about VHF RADAR, because all it says is "in yon direction good sir is an object of some fashion!"

Very informative comment. Sounds like an engineer/pilot.

When did the US last attack a high threat country? A long time ago. There was some air-to-air combat in Iraq 1.0, but it was pretty one sided. The allies had both the technological AND the numerical advantage.

Vietnam, in fact your statement, "9g manoeuvrability is amazing but when will that be necessary?" was exactly what was going through the minds of the Aviation community in the United States and what lead to the design of the F-4 Phantom, more specifically it's lack of guns as it was deemed "unnecessary as all engagements will take place at long range". Well the US very quickly found out that manoeuvrability and a gun is very important on an aircraft when the Aim-7 missile was found to be unreliable and often lead to the engagement of enemy aircraft at close range, in which the F-4 struggled due to it's lack of gun and inferior manoeuvrability. (The F-4 later received a gun and a gun pod.)

situational awareness

Plane can't do OODA loop. Engine too small. :)

fastacker2 The F35 has the most powerful engine ever 155 Kn

it was a joke. look up ooda loop.

F135 is rated at 191 kN

I like the f35 a lot, but there's no arguing the program wasn't on time. So the main reason is that we don't have enough f35s, so the services are buying or upgrading legacy some fighters to fill the gap for now.

Agreed

The _F-16's_ and _F/A-18's_ being purchased are supposed to being replacing earlier batch aircraft to extend the aircraft service life until the _F-35_ fully replaces them. Like the case with last order of _F-18's_ despite the _F/A-18's_ entering service.

Not good. By the way, Dan Graizer made a useful video on the topic of Manœuvre Warfare.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kN6dmramuNaVc6c.html

Engineers can’t complete the Joint Simulation Environment facility. Taxpayers are paying a premium for the F-35 to be capable of defeating any adversary’s defense and anti-aircraft systems. The only way, short of war, to see if the F-35 can perform as promised is to simulate a modern threat environment. The contractor never delivered a functional simulation facility despite having had 14 years to do so, and the facility is still incomplete six years after the Navy was given the project. Program officials continue to struggle against a tide of F-35 design flaws. Nearly every time the engineers solve one problem, a new one is discovered. The F-35 still has 871 unresolved deficiencies, only two fewer than last year. Ten of these are the more serious Category I deficiencies that “may cause death, severe injury, or severe occupational illness; may cause loss or major damage to a weapon system; critically restricts the combat readiness capabilities of the using organization.” The F-35 program made some reliability improvements in 2020, but is still failing to live up to its maintenance and sortie requirements, despite the fact that those expectations were set very low. When aircraft are unable to fly often enough for adequate training, it can result in diminished pilot skills, increased peacetime accidents, and degraded combat effectiveness. For years, one of the biggest weaknesses of the F-35 program has been the deeply flawed maintenance and spare parts computer network called the Autonomic Logistics Information System, known as ALIS. Pentagon leaders finally admitted defeat in 2020 and pulled the plug on ALIS. It will be replaced with the cloud-based Operational Data Integrated Network, but the report warns that program officials are repeating many of the same mistakes made with ALIS, which would saddle the troops on the maintenance line with another flawed product.

shoot rockets backwards helps and a lower stall speed, it can bring its nose to bear at sharper angles. plus of course control ohter plane and ship groud to air missles around it, and the dog fighter has to keep eye contact all the time as the plane is invisable, as he says supper manuvable so i thinkm it will be good, 9g will be interesting

In theory it cant happen. I mean, if the pilot does everything right then there is no dogfighting. The enemy gets killed before the F35 is seen. If it comes to a dogfight (e.g pilot mistake) then the F35 can be shot down with guns or heat-seeking missiles just like any other plane. But as i mentioned, if the pilot in the F35 is skilled then there is no dogfight.

Balogh Mihály f22 has similar skills. I don't think it has avoided the dogfight completely

Magic Helmet. :)

Yes, eventually it will happen. But not often. And you have your wingmen there. :)

Apparently, somebody is trying to score brownie points with their employer but doesn't know anything about the high low mix.

But the F15 is not stealth, has no bay for the missiles, he can not detect a stealth aircraft so its a sitting duck, because the armament under the wings increases its radar signature!

Not the case.

How many f-16 crashed when it first came into service?

Plane can''t do B roll. Wings too short. :)

It has them as well, it's just that carrying 9Xs internally was seen as a waste of space and external rails don't increase RCS that much anyway.

What nonsense are you on about?

@@peterson7082 Which parts are you confused about? The price of an F16 in todays money is 1/8th of the F35. If the F35 does not defeat the F16 before they pass eachother head on, it will not be able to put itself into a position where it can get at solution even with the AIM-9X.

@@Maskenken The _F-16C/ D_ unit cost is along the lines of $72 million to $78 million USD as of FY18. The _F-35A_ unit cost is currently $89.4 million USD. I am not sure where you get your idea it's 1/8th the cost from.

1. The point of bvr is to prevent the merge 2. The f-35 could go toe to toe with the f-16 in the merge

@@bennittotheburrito9606 I'm just saying that it's absurd to compare the two jets. As you say they are completely different in both doctrine and specialization. I don't agree that the f-35 is able to defeat the f-16 after merging. I base this opinion on the DOD report about ACM trials where an f35 was pitted against an f16. The exercise was conducted on jan 14th 2015 near edwards afb. That's 8 years ago and they may have been trying to make sure the airframe didn't break. Find me better evidence and I'll probably change my mind. I'm still not sure that the f-35 can be a CAS platform with it's terrible loiter. Low observability seems largely useless for CAS; you'd want air superiority before supporting the troops anyways.

rhbramley Even the aliens in Independence Day had manned aircraft tho

essel23fly yes, you're right, they did

If i remember correctly that's exactly what the industry says lol, the replacement for the F-22 is already confirmed to be a UCAV.

That's cool

Definitely, Boeing is already working on the X-45, drones are the future.

Because it’s advanced technology makes it a fifth generation plane

Also it can dash at Mach 1.2 without afterburners

Think he meant in a "staring at it from 5 feet away, on the ground, at an airshow" sort of sense.

Blob B, Proof?

He flies in, he is the best man to know what is right!

@@kotor1892 I doubt the records that guy claimed are right, but if you're asking about whether or not it's super maneuverable see here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a5Nxg6merq3TYZ8.html Additionally, search F35 tactical pitch or "dojo drift" to see it turn 180 degrees in about 5-6 seconds, that's not something legacy aircraft do. Combine that with incredible high alpha performance and the ability to recover energy faster than some twin engine fighters like the F18 and even F15 in some cases, you got yourself a hell of a fighter, maybe even a decent dogfighter.

@@forzaelite1248 saw it, not impressed. Not sure why they bother with it when dogfighting is over.

@@kotor1892 Not necessarily true; with the development of stealth tech by multiple nations everyone's gonna start only seeing each other up close, it might come down to the phone booth knife fight once more if that happens.

Good observation, more than likely due to years of unequal shoulder position between throttle and stick.

dan taylor More advanced, superior technology does not come cheap!

+dan taylor What?

1.5 trillion is for almost 3000 jets and all service to the year 2070

2070? There won't be any oil left by then! What fucking use is this lemon fighter when there's no fuel? Jes you people have no critical thinking skills, the future is the next 5 seconds for you guys isn't it? Idiots on yt is still massively out of control now.

+dan taylor The current oil deposits only will last until 2050 according to geologists and relevant scientists. Reserves of it, on top of small pockets in Alaska and Texas left, as well as numerous elsewhere will provide maybe another several decades worth of oil. Then L.N.G. and synthetics on top of that. How is it a lemon?

Intel com Bring on that old klunker!!

Who fly the F35? You or Cecil?

I agree. Close Air Support should have its own dedicated platform. Something with two engines for starters. Maybe recessed engines like the YF-23 had to hide its IR sig from the ground, and a bit of armor.

When do you know?

Are you really that stupid?

You are too outdated in your thinking.