Thanks a lot! If french is turtling something is very wrong as their eco is reliant on pocket resources.

@@Valdemar1902 im just thinking if you're in a French mirror and you know a predictable rush is coming then it would make the most sense to turtle id assume.

​@@chrisnewtownnswit's a fair thought, But those pocket resources are juicy enough for the French that a french turtle by definition is giving up a lot. This being said some defensive tips are applicable at least where I'm at (early platinum) I tend to enjoy defences at hunts captured at the maps center etc just to make life easier. Its not a full turtle but some of the principles can apply and even light fortifications can turn the tide in a fight.

@@catbiscuits4424 something to also consider is pocket resources like deer can be brought back to your turtle via pro scouts e.t.c. collecting relics works on that similar concept. Bringing resources to safety vs collecting them fast at the expense of vulnerability.

​@@chrisnewtownnsw One of the problems is that for the... I think 450 resources to get pro scouts plus a couple more scouts to make the collection of deer timely and not too apm intensive. For that much you could collect just a little more and get an early second town center, Something much more valuable economically, Especially if you throw it down on top of a close deer (or boar) hunt. Secondly seeing as Turtling is designed to counter hard aggression by the time your scouts are ready to be bringing back deer that aggro player should already be sniffing round your base so there's a decent chance they might intercept your scouts and kill them.

Sounds like you need some better teammates!

i guess so! maybe you should join then! @@Valdemar1902

As more guides get added, I will be covering Imperial as well, at some point!

Ah, the "oh crap I have 60 idle villagers and they stripped that mine five minutes ago" guide. Yes, please. I need this also.

Do you still play? There are things I do like using rally points and control groups that makes things more manageable, but I’m no pro either

Okay, a lot of questions, I will answer them briefly: Aachen placement front is okay, if you can defend it. Castle after the first push is allowed becaues he lost way more than I did, so I can exploit that advantage, as he will either go back or keep attacking. Burgrave is not good vs malians as feudal musofadi wreck MAA, and I can just make more production when I have 30-40 vill lead. Reignitz is fine, as relics will play an important role in the scenario, where I don't have access to gold (see map layout). Also, Reignitz is fine too, as production was added.

On the map, Hill and Dale, the deer spawn in the base. As HRE setting up farms is quick to pay itself off due to inspiration, those things combined make sense on this map. If you place the TC outside of the hill spawn vs a hyper-aggressive-player your odds are significantly lower

@Valdemar1902 I can't disagree with anything you have said, but I have to choose the ladder. From my observation, most players win with numbers, but this game favors positioning. Again, my chances in success are lower, but practice makes perfect. Did you know that it is ideal to defend with heavy armored units and attack with the lighter army? I'm sure you can figure out why. It is interesting how man at arms forces out micro management....🤔

@@kingsgambit7098delete this pls

@@kingsgambit7098 nope. here he defended with light units and attacked with armoured units which is the opposite of what you just suggested

@chrisnewtownnsw That doesn't mean he is right. Light armored units are the fastest units in the game outside of calvary. They can get in and out of combat. It makes them great for patrolling the map. Heavier units are better in combat, but they are slow and cost more income and production time. If you engage in combat with heavier units, you will be more or less forced to fight. I haven't dabbled into AOE4 lately because of how busted some the mechanics are, but ppl play this game incorrectly. It is because of the broken mechanics. Games usually last up to 30 minutes, but a lot of resources are still on the map. Why is that? It is because games are ending much sooner than the devs intended. Concepts like 2 TCs on top of each other are unnecessary. You should be able to defend with 1. Placing your second TC to defend a key point on the map while gathering new resources is a far better strategy, but it is possible to be map dependent.

Burgrave is not good vs malians as feudal musofadi wreck MAA, and I can just make more production when I have 30-40 vill lead. Reignitz is fine, as relics will play an important role in the scenario, where I don't have access to gold (see map layout). Also, Reignitz is fine too, as production was added.

​@@Valdemar1902I understand your points in the general aspect of the matchup, however not so in this specific match. Is musofadi advisable when you are behind and the enemy has spears + horsemen? Do 2nd age musofadi do enough dmg against 3rd age MAA to stop the flood of MAA and an occasional landsknecht? Was Mali even be able to spot your castle age landmark? I don't really know how much vision you had since you lost your scout at one point. But as you always say: Scout before going castle, so I assume you rebuilt one and knew that Mali was massing spears and archers. Burgrave would have had an immediate effect and the 2nd fight wouldn't have been close (sure the mangonel saved the day, but you were close to losing it, you lost your whole army and had considerable idle time). You would have won on the spot or at least gained map control (giving you all the gold you need). What could Mali have done in this situation? He was stuck in feudal with an inferior eco and also lost the map. Regnitz didn't do a lot, except securing a massive lead into late game which under optimal play would never have happened because you were already miles ahead.

@@t3ss33 your analysis was spot on here. Part and parcel with a turtle is a counter attack that immediately follows the first successful battle. Otherwise you've converted your turtle into a boom which will be vulnerable to a second enemy aggro wave.

Ottomans are very linear and should therefore be played aggressively. They are the worst civ overall for booming/turtling.

@@Valdemar1902 witch is annoying because the game just about tells you to play defensively with them in their videos with nearly every clip being of a bunch of bombards on a hill with a line of jans in a defensive position. They seem to have taken a different approach from AoE2 and 3. It even seems like they wanted to give them the option to play defensively with several options for food without leaving the TC area. *Shrug*

​@@Valdemar1902seems the recent patch has given some potential to turtling ottoman. Fast imperial and military schools for free units are kinda in right now.

No. @@Loreweavver

@@Valdemar1902 fair, nuff. Salami aka korvinus has been doing well with it.

huh

@@Valdemar1902 dark age rushing is dying. It’s just not as as easy to pull off compared to 2 tc or towers on resources.

Knowing what strats work in different matchups is necessary in order to pick the right strat.@@comree11

@@Valdemar1902 it’s funny how they increase the cost of the town center but players get it built faster than before. Maybe it needs another increase

that's a refreshing opinion considering my experience has been the game being lopsided in rushing/aggro opponents and next to no turtles. 49% aggros 49% boomers and 2% turtles.