Freedom, its something the people at the top don't want you to have.

You and Eli missed sexual harassment allegations being avoided while working from home.

Only problem is the best ones leave first.

and they are not quitting

@@deth3021 Exactly.

It's not "forcing people to quit," it's encouraging the employees who can do better somewhere else to get off their ass and leave. It's always a few types who will TRY to keep a job: people who are closing in on whatever they would get if vested/retiring (these basically don't exist anymore, now that companies don't do retirement pensions any more, they do 401-k, and 401-k is portable); people who just love the challenges and opportunities of their job (those people _do_ really exist, they're just rare); people who are too useless, fearful, dependent, and/or other personal issues. Almost anyone is better off _somewhere_ else, instead of where they are. It's not because all people suck; it's because few people find the best possible fit in the first place, and people grow and change over time. Inertia is a thing, savings are rare and attractive to keep, and mortgage and rent and a tremendous need to eat once in a while make having a steady income very desirable!

You know who will come in 5 days? Chinese and Indians on a visa.

100% correct.

Same here. I agree with you as the atmosphere was very chaotic.

Every business tends to have their offices either in business districts or mid town/center, unless they up the salaries twice or three times nobody can afford to live nowhere near those. So on one side is come to office because you are ruining the price of business real estate on other salaries what sallaries it's tough times and the monthly quoter reports are 'record high profits' your employees are not flipping burgers or coal miners, you hired them because they are smart and problem solvers and now your are treating them as they work in flipping McDonald's

I couldn’t agree more! I had to work in a large city for about 10 years when I was younger. Once I finally made it out, I swore I’d never live in a populated urban area again. And I’ve been so much happier since.

oh you're in arizona? you're fucked either way

Companies should instituted a pay cut for full-time remote workers. The problem with that approach is that it will only exacerbate the passive-aggressive and "quiet quitting." Ultimately, this is contributing to inflation to some degree because money has to represent something and if we are all getting paid to sit on our assess doing nothing, watching Netflix, then I believe this is why inflation continues to be stubborn problem in the United States.

​@@albertedwards1612Commuting creates nonproductive inflation aka wasted resources. Extra money wasted on gas, insurance and vehicle+road maintenance goes into the economy.

Exactly ☝️

Work is a two way contract. Nothing more.

Amen usually why it happens

They already laid off all the employees left over from EMC, who had WFH written into their contracts. Including me. Then, they offered them their jobs back as a lower paid contractor with no benefits. Eff that company.

They do that so that you can't go to unemployment because you turned down the offer ​@@morfiusx

@@morfiusxclassic Dell move. I disdain that company’s culture, fucking vulture.

I recommend traveling overseas to another like Southeast Asia (SEA) to get a fresh perspective on things. One thing I realized is that America is still #1 (albeit on a downward trajectory) and all our problems are self-inflicted. I found it gave me more empathy and allowed me to mentally reset.

@@albertedwards1612 I've traveled to ~40 countries, including 9 Asian countries. I've lived in W Africa. I can be thankful while still understanding that this country feels like it's in decline. I can still worry about the $ I've sacrificed to put aside for retirement. The anxiety to be viable snd healthy in this system is real.

The problem with forcing this on the employees is that the good ones have options, the lesser ones don't or don't have as many, and the better employees bail. I've seen that a few times.

It's legitimately worse to be in a zoom meeting with other people next to you in the same meeting. My favorite is the obligatory 15 minute musical microphone 'who is causing the echo' game every single time from multiple speakers and multiple microphones from multiple laptops.

💯!!

You raise an interesting point, in South Korea, young professionals are turning to blue collar jobs. Even with the social shaming from the older generation, these young professionals are still making bank but even moreso they find it fulfilling.

They're being shamed for blue collar jobs?

​@@albertedwards1612 The older generations are the problem the clowns F everything up for everyone and most business owners are these old clowns and they still live in their times ! that is why they love to say "back in my days" because they just don't get that people don't get paid like they did "back in their days" a person could flip burgers for a year could save up money to buy a brand new GT500 mustang (cost under $4,000) a GT500 mustang today will cost over $90,000 (for a used one) and price of a house is worst these people are like those parents that get mad at their children because they did not "pause" the online game and the worst part is that most of them are politicians, and all the old F heads will keep voting for them because they are the same generation or the one before or after!

@@memorf yes and no, people will find a job that pay them enough money and do a side hustle ! old people are mad that the young do not want to be zombies for a company !

@@memorf Its true in most east asian and south asian countries , People with degree dont do blue collar works including plumbing. A mechanic's job in car service center is considered blue collar and low status job in both south and east asian countries. But in reality most independent plumbers, electricians and construction worker earned more than typical white collar employee but no one give respect to them

that's how it starts. Then they gradually taper off the salary bump until work from office is normalized again, and they don't pay extra. The boiling frog in pot approach.

Or just pay remote workers $50k less, or ship the jobs overseas to India. The difference now is that India plays an important strategic role in American geopolitics and our American politicians will not hesitate to sell out our jobs to the lowest bidder. On top of that, India has only greatly developed over the past quarter of a century.

I too am pro pay transparency.

@@albertedwards1612 If they're going to offshore jobs, them the idea of office presence providing job security is pure fiction.

I have never liked the office. Hate small chatter, gossip, spying, and cubicle. I also hate the commute. I only do it for salary.

The point is to have a choice. You go to the office when you feel like. You do the job from home or office. Place should not matter.

uh......thanks for that insight

it's called a "coworking space" and they exist in most cities.

had it myself

My problem with full-time remote is you have to compete with talent all across the globe, you are competing with talent that is far more competitive on top of the low pay that Eastern Europeans and Indians are willing to put up with. The only way to maximize this is to work it both ways, work overseas (e.g. Southeast Asia, etc.) and work remote. It is only this way that you can potentially squeeze it out, however there is stigma attached to this. Ultimately, RTO ultimately will win otherwise all of our jobs will be effectively be shipped to India.

Idk, feel like they will ship them overseas regardless if people RTO or not if it proves to be cheaper and similar quality of work…

​@nicholasbroadhurst9096 Have y'all *seen* the quality of Indian work?? The majority of them lie and cheat on exams, it's a well-known problem. But ignored by Corp execs ... quality and excellence in output doesn't matter because "cheap labor" is all they're mandated to care about. Oh, and DIE also, of course. I call these execs "traitors" to America...but reality is they have zero allegiance to *any* country, their only allegiance is to their god named "money"

I would never text somebody who works on my floor, let alone the person in the next cube. What you're describing is a pretty bad company culture issue and really isn't an argument in favor of WFH.

that's bullshit, a text message or video call will never be as effective as face-to-face instruction, unless you have the kind of job that should really be automated.

yes it can and it is much more effective unless you are the type of employee who likes joining meetings upon meetings just to "burn" time.

This sounds like a you issue.

@@Nun195 no, it sounds like yours buddy.

@@bluecrockswhat?

@@Nun195 Enjoy having a family if that’s what you want but It doesn’t take away my original point.

bad divorce, huh?