Demolition Ships in AoE2

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8 жыл бұрын

How good are those exploding ships, anyway?
1:27 General stuff: cost comparison, upgrade requirements.
2:37 Demolition line in HD expansions
3:08 Speed
3:20 Attack values/damage vs ships and buildings
4:15 Using demo ships against land units
4:49 Range of explosion
6:10 Staggered formation to avoid damage
7:12 Delete demo ships to detonate?
7:57 Demo ships and Lanchester's laws.
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@Llamasomenumbers 8 жыл бұрын

I think the reason Demolition ships don't do friendly fire damage is because using them in formation would cause the first ship to blow up all the ones behind/around it, making them practically useless.

@nemou4985 5 жыл бұрын

Well they could have been scripted to just not damage other demo ships...

@stashatstake 5 жыл бұрын

@@nemou4985 selective friendly fire? Makes too little sense for age of empires.

@nemou4985 5 жыл бұрын

@@stashatstake It is used in many games including Red Alert 2

@stashatstake 5 жыл бұрын

@@nemou4985 yes, but age of empire is a game known for its originality.

@Fif0l 4 жыл бұрын

@@stashatstake doesn't mean every single mechanic is original. Hell, not including selective friendly fire actually makes it less original. Not that it matters, because with the amount of variety this game offers, borrowing one small mechanics element from another game won't instantly make it a ripoff.

@FreddieMercurytheSharkWrestler 8 жыл бұрын

Rip skirmisher.

@nicolasneila7301 8 жыл бұрын

Poor little skirmisher. He tought he was invincible...

@dak3031 8 жыл бұрын

If only he had researched Padded Archer Armor

@maistromann136 8 жыл бұрын

He got killed by an archer. He failed as a counter unit

@leh2012 8 жыл бұрын

Press F to pay respects

8 жыл бұрын

@Porglit 8 жыл бұрын

Another major reason to build demo ships when you're behind is because they create a lot faster than either gallies or fireships, so you can muster a fleet much quicker in desperate times if you have the gold on hand.

@Masterbean 8 жыл бұрын

To bring a really bad comparison, the demo ship is like the defensive mangonel. If it hits, it trades extremely well against larger forces.

@Volcano4981 8 жыл бұрын

Great comparison actually, apart from the fact that Mangonels *can* attack more than once ;)

@spaceballs72 8 жыл бұрын

We're just assuming that the mangonel will get destroyed after it fires its first shot. Since the mangonel will be a priority target for the large army.

@Masterbean 8 жыл бұрын

qianstirfry Well, the mangonel is still likely to get more than 1 shot. On the other hand, it's also far more expensive than a demo ship...

@daledo8604 8 жыл бұрын

For what it's worth, keep in mind mangonel also damages your own units - unlike the demo ship.

@tvremote9394 8 жыл бұрын

i feel like this video was sponsored by Michael Bay

@ramyfiyad8564 8 жыл бұрын

lmfao

@PyrrhoVonHyperborea 8 жыл бұрын

Sorry to break it to you.... but the money-trail points back towards al-quaida :(

@pionosphere 6 жыл бұрын

You're saying Michael Bay is funded by terrorists? It makes sense to me.

@PyrrhoVonHyperborea 3 жыл бұрын

@arega stevano you really wanna be "that guy" over the "correct" transcription of a word from a totally different language (and *script!* ), for which there *isn't even* a universally agreed upon "correct" spelling? tsktstsk...

@PyrrhoVonHyperborea 3 жыл бұрын

@arega stevano with every additional word you manage to sound even dumber than before; how's that even possible?

@ImAzraa 7 жыл бұрын

Ohhh no the trebs, in the shallows. God that must've hurt. A lot

@monkeyorful 8 жыл бұрын

very good video, I learned a lot about my two prefered things, maths and explosions

@HECKproductions 8 жыл бұрын

you must be a mythbusters fan

@monkeyorful 8 жыл бұрын

HECKproductions oh yeah! haha

@TaToHAoE 8 жыл бұрын

Demos are love, demos are life!

@SpiritOfTheLaw 8 жыл бұрын

Wow, the demo ship legend himself :)

@TaToHAoE 8 жыл бұрын

Ofc! I watch your videos! I had the feeling that I had to comment on this one. Very good work ! :)

@thomashuffcutt9414 8 жыл бұрын

+Spirit Of The Law I don't want to brag, but I once trained a demo ship. also, how to counter AI fire ships? because AI always spams fire ships.

@PyrrhoVonHyperborea 8 жыл бұрын

demos blow

@imgod1000 8 жыл бұрын

Look at the cav archers! Well dont look at the cav archers, cause they are not there anymore! Bye Bye!

@almusquotch9872 8 жыл бұрын

I'm impressed by the amount of data you collect for these videos, all that research must have taken ages.

@HBon111 8 жыл бұрын

Ages you say? ;)

@dinochookproductions5190 8 жыл бұрын

+Kritz Cake Where are your two castle age building??

@carolynharris4993 8 жыл бұрын

well 4 ages to be exact

@closer8583 8 жыл бұрын

Actually, ages of empires lel

@shiftyrye2743 7 жыл бұрын

Gotta love shield puns.

@ingolifs 7 жыл бұрын

I'm impressed to see discussion of the lanchester square law in these videos. I think it's one of those things every strategy player should know about. I've tested it in multiple RTS games; the numerically superior side almost always does better than the square law would suggest. This is because the law assumes that as a soldier or unit becomes more wounded it becomes proportionately less effective, i.e. that its DPS falls with its health. In just about every game, however, units with 1 hp have all the capabilities of units with full health, and so any attack that does not kill a unit is not reducing the fighting strength of the company.

@t3hmaniac 7 жыл бұрын

The exception being C&C3 at least in infantry battles as 1 unit can be up to 5 troops with a shared health pool. Where a 20% health loss is a functional DPS decrease as one of your dudes just died despite technically having the same number of units.

@nemou4985 5 жыл бұрын

@@t3hmaniac Still each individual troop has its own health and capabilities I think. They don't "share" the pool. A more accurate example wuld be Earth 2140 where damaged tanks become slower thus less combat effective (extremely damaged vehicles become immobile)

@CaptainFalcoyd 4 жыл бұрын

And as for why Demo Ships break the lanchester square law and trade linearly, it's obviously because they only need to get off one attack each to cause their full effect, it doesn't matter that their numerically superior enemy is ganging up on them and reducing their HPs quickly as long as they can reach their targets before dying, which they usually can.

@meneldal 4 жыл бұрын

@@t3hmaniac Total War is probably the best example for this, with formations having very variable number of units (especially in the latest Warhammer one). You can clearly see how the usefulness of high number troops goes down quickly, but troops with fewer numbers that can survive several hits on each troop are able to do a lot more kills when severely outnumbered because they take time to go down and fight at (more or less) top efficiency until they die. They have more mechanics like fatigue that makes unit loose efficiency when they fight even when they don't take damage. The autobattles seem to be very close to the square low from what I've experienced (it doesn't simulate every mechanic to keep it simple).

@alex_zetsu 2 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't the fact that 1 HP units have the full abilities mean lanchester's law is diluted since the losing side should keep most of their attack until the fight nears the end?

@ummcake123 8 жыл бұрын

Stannis Baratheon disliked this

@SpiritOfTheLaw 8 жыл бұрын

ha!

@tiraflecha2318 8 жыл бұрын

Nice one! xD

@ummcake123 8 жыл бұрын

Spirit Of The Law Keep up the great vids! :D feels like you revitalized this game

@DeusEversor 8 жыл бұрын

i actually wondered if there owuld be replay of the black water bay battle ;)

@aquajasa 6 жыл бұрын

I have her that idea 😉😉😉😉

@arshiaaghaei 4 жыл бұрын

7:50 Skirmisher: I survived an explosion. I think I'm invincible. Longbowman: I'm about to end this man's whole career.

@798jeremy 3 жыл бұрын

Dude, come on...skirmishers are one of the main longbowmen's counter. Don't give some noobs unrealistic hopes, please...

@emirhamam527 8 жыл бұрын

"A bit into math and military theory on this one" How can we not love Spirit

@unfig3034 8 жыл бұрын

I found this video very satisfying, if only for the masses of units being destroyed in one hit e_e

@pearse9116 8 жыл бұрын

I could watch that all day.

@unfig3034 8 жыл бұрын

Lopt The Treacherous Indeed.

@paco3523 3 жыл бұрын

58 arbalests un one hit 👊

@larydbowie2659 8 жыл бұрын

I play AOE2 to avoid my math homework, you play it BECAUSE its math homework. Love your vids Law

@aquadelic8457 8 жыл бұрын

Saw a video where some guy blasted around 60 E. Jannisaries with just 3 E. demos, yaicks !

@Volcano4981 8 жыл бұрын

I smell so much gold going down the drain... :P

@aquadelic8457 8 жыл бұрын

Revisited the video : ZeroEmpires Clip of the Day #5 : Full on Demolition ... 2 demo ships take out 40 Jannisaries ... that's about 2200 gold in 1 blow !

@architsaxena8982 8 жыл бұрын

the guy was Tatoh an excellent and always coming out with new strategies aoe player

@maistromann136 8 жыл бұрын

Are we going to start to see some Demo ship montages now? Maybe some 'Demontages'? :D

@maistromann136 8 жыл бұрын

No one cares about my comments anyway...

@catrielmarignaclionti4518 5 жыл бұрын

@@maistromann136 :C

@MrKleekus 8 жыл бұрын

Wow, I'm here earlier than the death of an army on shallows with demoships patrolling the river.

@bigneto95 8 жыл бұрын

Sup kleekus

@MrKleekus 8 жыл бұрын

Neoedu Hey there!

@alexandruanghel9137 8 жыл бұрын

Spirit's videos are a hidden gem on youtube, imo. Great quality content, keep up the awesome work.

@Draxis32 8 жыл бұрын

WHAT DID WE'VE LEARNED KIDS? Always have tnt in your pocket to blow the math outta the water.

@yrret1996 8 жыл бұрын

Spirit can you make a video about repairing

@BrentZahradnik 8 жыл бұрын

Great idea.

@daddyleon 8 жыл бұрын

Fifthed.

@brainwasher9876 8 жыл бұрын

seventhed!

@yrret1996 8 жыл бұрын

wow i got 42 likes? daym

@carlpult5235 8 жыл бұрын

Great vid, much appreciated :) One contributing factor in this may be that If your enemy has more ships, the demoships are more likely to hit a lot of ships at once, making every hit more effective.

@peterbaggaley2981 7 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you brought up the Lanchester square dynamic! Retro-applying this fully explains why the 'multiplying stats' approach didn't accurately predict the cavalier vs paladin results in your vid from last year.

@daarom3472 5 жыл бұрын

@spirit this video definitely deserves some follow-up. For instance, I've noticed that massed caravels + cannon galleons do very well versus heavy demo's because arrows hit multiple targets and the galleons can do distance-sniping. Would be great to pitch the demo's versus specific civs and see how well they do.

@ethanswanson9209 8 жыл бұрын

Loved the video, especially the charts at the end. Very enlightening.

@zipar3132 8 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I've been waiting for information on demo ships, explosions in general are great. Good video Spirit :)

@TZerot0 8 жыл бұрын

Spirit of the Law? more like spirit of the excellent aoe2 videos.

@bittersweet1940 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your effort, I love how you actually find the Lanchester's square law to support the things happening in the real game. Keep it up.

@AinaweeUAE 8 жыл бұрын

Man, this video was way way better than my expectations. Not only were the badabooms entertaining, I absolutely loved your demo vs galley analysis. Keep it up man, you are indeed amazing.

@Killer1986Chris 8 жыл бұрын

YES!!! I was trying to see if you had done one of these the other day and came up dry in my searches.

@misteral9045 8 жыл бұрын

Congratulations Spirit. Goal achieved. Mind=Blown. Combining this video with your video looking at the new feudal water balance, it looks like the usefulness of demo ships really jumps up in the imperial age, but still demands that you have the economy to support it with the higher gold cost.

@MrMonga 8 жыл бұрын

Excellent! Probably the best mathy video you've made! Loved it! :3

@HECKproductions 8 жыл бұрын

what the fuck is going on in the bottom right at around 8:48?? i thought there was a giant fucking insect on my screen for a second

@ethan1142028 8 жыл бұрын

@Tocaraca 7 жыл бұрын

@iceluffy9055 6 жыл бұрын

HECKproductions that is the secret seamoster XD

@Bradbradhehe 8 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this one, especially when you whacked the graph out

@MB-wq8cp 8 жыл бұрын

All your videos are awesome. Keep it up man.

@ignaciorossi8571 8 жыл бұрын

Great video, superb research. Keep up the good work!

@Bargiest 8 жыл бұрын

awesome vid man, keep up the good work

@SirLaurenceNZ_2 8 жыл бұрын

that counter to demos at the end was insane XD great job as always (ps enjpy the math)

@SirLaurenceNZ_2 8 жыл бұрын

enjoy. gg me

@petertimowreef9085 6 жыл бұрын

Dude you are such a blessing to this community. I haven't played AoE in 15 years and I still enjoy these videos haha I wish the games I played had such a methodical dude, carefully calculating everything and then turning all that math into an entertaining and easily watchable video. Oh and no complaining about DLC prices, also very refreshing.

@Hardcore_Remixer 3 жыл бұрын

Such a well made video! You really love demo ships.

@Dan0Dead0Or0Alive 8 жыл бұрын

This video was..... the bomb. Sorry I'll leave now.

@IhabZein 8 жыл бұрын

get out.

@ramyfiyad8564 8 жыл бұрын

sponsored by Michael Bay

@brainwasher9876 8 жыл бұрын

he went out with a bang!

@nagoshi01 6 жыл бұрын

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@uwielbiamtruskawki6049 4 жыл бұрын

@@nagoshi01 funny

@BoxMonkeyPS 8 жыл бұрын

thanks for the info man! really liking all the videos

@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this awesome video Spirit. I always thought that Demo Ships were underrated, I would also try and use them in my AI battles because they were so fun.

@Slotspinner 5 жыл бұрын

if there wasnt this intro i dont think i would keep clicking those vids as often :D

@zyzzbrah7022 8 жыл бұрын

Wow, the production quality of your videos is really high, it shows that you put in a lot of work in to them. :)

@joewilshire9095 8 жыл бұрын

Oh hell yes! Vintage Spirit!

@MadMamluk88 8 жыл бұрын

Very informative vid. It makes me look at demo ships in pretty much a new light. I'm going to have to use them more frequently now, especially when playing as the Chinese.

@michaelcorcoran3942 8 жыл бұрын

Hey man I just found you and in the last 2 weeks...perhaps sadly I have watched everyone of your videos..lol.... Anyway can't wait for the rest of those Civ overviews.

@migueeeelet 8 жыл бұрын

The way demolition ships counter fire galleys is because fire galleys like to pack around their enemy, they end up in tight groups and thus they get all the splash dmg. Surely if oyu micro the fire galleys you'll reduce damage, but like in that first example, 4 surprise demolition ships completly wrecked the enemy navy :D

@Volcano4981 8 жыл бұрын

Demo ships actually do destroy the fire galleys 1v1 as well assuming they're on equal level, but that certainly helps to make it cost effective.

@migueeeelet 8 жыл бұрын

Volcano4981 You gotta abuse how well fire ships pack around their targets.

@franzluggin398 8 жыл бұрын

I love how you constantly update your intro, but always keep the goths' game plan. Still gets me every time! :-D

@generally_empathetic 8 жыл бұрын

poor spearman.. the power went to his head! (along with an arrow..)

@LaSangriaSolitaria 8 жыл бұрын

Dude truly awesome video, this is legit tactics right here.

@JanJanNik 5 жыл бұрын

I love these little Machinimas that you do. 7:48

@ZendikarMage42750 8 жыл бұрын

Informative as always :)

@RimaNari 8 жыл бұрын

Very nice video! It's I believe somewhat intuitive to use demo ships when you're behind, but it's fascinating to learn why.

@HawkSea 4 жыл бұрын

I always avoided water maps because I didn't feel comfortable understanding the different units but now I do. Thanks for the clarification!

@bommking137 8 жыл бұрын

Love the tango music in the background

@Subidubivappapp 8 жыл бұрын

Nice indepth video, thank you for doing the "boring" job of running tests for us! :) BUT i think in real games not a lot of things work the same. I mean also you can look for best ship combinations/startegies not just raw data (just like the pikemen+onager combination). Also the relationship between land units vs ships, when land units attack them.

@eschel2155 8 жыл бұрын

you, good sir, deserve a thumb up!

@Devalation 7 жыл бұрын

That was incredible. Great research!

@chetanv1298 8 жыл бұрын

I used to send a ship towards a demo ship and sacrifice it in order to protect the others,or send my own demo ships, but ones which are not full upgraded, just as a counter. Great video, btw waiting for the Aztec civ overview

@trayfenodonnell5386 8 жыл бұрын

A damn good analysis, sir.

@sam4secretary 2 жыл бұрын

this is just fantastic. I know i've watched it before-- but i think this is the crown jewel of the SotL series.

@ibnmardanis24 8 жыл бұрын

Awesome video as always. Please keep it up! PS.: The demo ship is aoe II's funniest unit for me. hahaha

@kizmetmars 8 жыл бұрын

I played a 2v2 a month ago. We were separated by a river with 2 shallows to cross, my ally had 2 demo ships patrol the shallows, wasn't sure why at the time. But, the instant killed army coming our way answered that pretty quickly, GG!

@MrTheQuestioner 8 жыл бұрын

The math in this one made it all the more impressive and interesting video!

@NewEnglandOtaku 8 жыл бұрын

I love these ships! When I have a map with shallows, I make sure to use them to full advantage and usually it's troops crossing the shallows in bulk so I easily defend my territory that way most of the time.

@liamhorne9371 8 жыл бұрын

Keep up the vids they are extremely helpful you are doing a great job. :)

@kevdx1955 8 жыл бұрын

Excellent Review of my favourite unit....

@technoir_ 8 жыл бұрын

Man i love your videos, so mathy yet so funny

@atocanboi409 3 жыл бұрын

you could say this video blew me out of the water

@efroeli 8 жыл бұрын

Awesome work! One bit of logic behind the relative efficacy of outnumbered demo ships is the idea of "sunk cost" (no pun intended). The end objective of a galley is to attack and survive a battle; the main objective of a demo ship is to explode and cause as much damage as possible. Built into these expectations is the fact that galleys do damage over time, whereas demo ships do all of their damage at once in an AOE explosion. Therefore, any galley shots that actually hit their target but fail to prevent the demo ship from making contact (either by AOE from exploding before the target is reached or by demo ship hitting it's target before the galley can destroy it) is a "Sunk Cost", in that it expended resources to no end. Compare this to a successful micro combat for a galley, in which it eliminates it's target and then pivots to find another, and (at least to me) you can see why Lanchester's Square doesn't hold.

@InterloperBob 4 жыл бұрын

Omg watching the demo ship chase the cav archers was hilarious. Runnnnnnn!!!!!!

@seancsnm 7 жыл бұрын

Great analysis.

@freaksuyash 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video!

@MB-wq8cp 8 жыл бұрын

Please do a line of videos where you play each civs and explaining the process in playing them. Would be awesome!!

@ZKP314 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't realize that the bit in future intros where Demos are blowing Trebuchets in Shallows was based on an actual game.

@Smokecall 6 жыл бұрын

This was some quality tactical advise

@lennykravitz4107 8 жыл бұрын

this was an amazing video

@DerRabe3000 8 жыл бұрын

top notch analysis

@ricebowlranch 8 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite units to use! So fun! And you also don't have to worry about them taking up population... Not for long, anyway ;)

@ethribin4188 3 жыл бұрын

In other words. Demoships follow Lanchester's linear law. While all others follow the square law. Thus by using Demoships you remove the numbers advantage of an opponenent. But only temporarely. Cause you can use your demo fleet only once.

@arnoldgok 7 жыл бұрын

holy shit your videos are really well done, this is fucking deep man!

@curranegan5512 8 жыл бұрын

Good to know! I'm really not a fan of naval combat and almost always end up giving up naval superiority, so I may start using demo ships more now!

@kalpakkulkarni5270 8 жыл бұрын

Seen a few games where TaToH used demolition ships to great effect. As satisfying to watch as good onager shots.

@arunphilip 8 жыл бұрын

I wanted to like this video for the joke at 7:50, but was then even more spell-bound with your stats and graphs, Lanchester's law, etc. Great stuff, shame I can't like it once for each thing I liked in it! Talking of stats, just how much time goes into making a video like this? Is it about 10x the video length, or more?

@12nlin 8 жыл бұрын

your video always informant to me love it. do you have any new or recent game play upload? would love to see more of your strategy in multiplayer game play.

@francofazzolari7973 7 жыл бұрын

lovely end song

@reddyaquaria689 8 жыл бұрын

Excellent, I'm assuming you ran into this while analyzing the Chinese with their Demo ship +50% HP bonus, can't wait to see how much of a difference that bonus makes! ^~^

@davidpaul8647 5 жыл бұрын

Damn, I wanna play a multiplayer map with a bunch of shallows or canals across land now like that test map you were using. Ship to land shenanigans abound!

@GoldfishLiberty 8 жыл бұрын

interesting video topic for you Spirit ! Make a video about what they heck the units say and for each civilization perhaps

@Kxoe559 8 жыл бұрын

Check the age of empires wiki, it says for most of the civs what they say.

@GoldfishLiberty 8 жыл бұрын

thanks so much dude! never knew about that

@xlamcx 7 жыл бұрын

Dude ima be using more demo ships as ambush units in the shallows on certain maps from now on after seeing that splash damage! highlands for example would be great. Just guard all your shallows with those bastards, send them in at any units of soldiers that decide to use that path! This video just gave me so many suicide ideas for petards to XD

@PhatChin Жыл бұрын

The year is 2022. And this video could use a refresh!

@fionnlillis4317 8 жыл бұрын

Great video

@eduard8555 8 жыл бұрын

Hey Spirit Nice to see you're working on the chinese overview Hope you'll end it soon!!

@_Morph1ne_ 4 жыл бұрын

Bruh that demo ship chasing those cav archers was scary af 😂

@Real_MisterSir 8 жыл бұрын

Spirit of the Law, if you make like a Q/A video again, I'd like to add a few things about the Demo ship. For instance, does it affect garrisoned units, like units within rams? Also, how do they fare against Caravels, are they equally effective in mass like they are vs Galleons, or is the k/d ratio different here (I suspect it would be). I'd also like to know if the demo ship has some hidden bonuses vs some units, and in contrary does some units have better defense vs the demo ships or do they all take equal damage?

@Mephisto28890 8 жыл бұрын

Machester's square law makes sense. If you focus fire, you'll take out one of theirs asap, thus they have less units shooting at yours. You don't even need higher numbers for this, some good micro can do the same job. Also,, good idea to always have some demo ships of your own to counter their demo ships. Just shows how important it is to mix up ship types in your fleet. I'll have some demo ships and fire ships in the front, galleons in the middle, and canon galeons in the rear. This way, they'll focus the meele ships first, meanwhile my ranged ships can keep up their attacks, giving me quite some advantage in sea battles.

@TheCherryTrader 8 жыл бұрын

PLEASE NEVER LEAVE US SPIRIT

@bharatmarathe7500 8 жыл бұрын

Nice video. But it would've been better if you had included some clips from some games where TaToH has used demo ships and mentioned him for his awesome use of them.

@Walterthefriendly 6 жыл бұрын

So Spirit! I am a big fan. A big mathematical reason that demo ships follow a linear line of effectiveness is because, unlike galleys, they deal 100% or 0% of their dmg, while a galley will deal maybe 10 or even 0% of its "fighting potential" if it only gets 1 shot off on a demo ship that gets its blast off anyways. The demo ship would therefore be more consistent, and less exponential.