I was told that there is another important, if not significant, difference the 6700 has over the 4700, and that is amplifier layout. According to other reviews (including the presentation videos from Denon itself), the 4700 has integrated amps, whilst the 6700 has a discrete amp layout. According to some reviews, this seems to let the 6700 be closer to the 8500 than to the 4700 when it comes to sound quality. I wonder if you can comment on this? Other than that, this is a very well made, very helpful video. Thank you for making and sharing.
@ReferenceHomeTheater4 жыл бұрын
I haven't had the X4700 or X8500 in yet, so I can't directly compare them, but looking at the measurements that others have done, the X4700H is actually slightly cleaner in the amplifier section (less distortion) though it also produces slightly less power. I don't know if it would be a difference you could hear in real life, and I typically chalk up differences in receiver sound quality to room correction instead of the amp, since that seems to play far more of a factor when I directly A/B compare them. If I didn't need the extra channels of amplification, or didn't need DTS:X Pro, I think you could step down to the X4700H and it would be almost identical in most cases.
@vegasplayer73873 жыл бұрын
Nice review! I’m looking to build my first real home theater setup and was looking at the 8500. But this lets me save quite a bit of money while still giving me all of the features I’d want. Thanks!
@Marcel-ex3jd3 жыл бұрын
4700H + preamp = 13.2 channel 👍😁🇳🇱
@muffemod2 жыл бұрын
My man!
@Cyanide_NL Жыл бұрын
there's processing for up to 11.2 channels
@amritbedi97776 ай бұрын
11.2*
@HiPlains14 жыл бұрын
Just picked up the outgoing model AVR X6500H for 1499 USD. Really only need this to power my older SDA SRS 1.2 Polk speakers which demand allot of power. They can handle allot more then what this AVR can put out but it does a pretty good job. Really nice sounding AVR. At 2200 USD the X6700H is pretty pricey. But luckily, Denon has decent discounts on the X6500H and its pretty much the same AVR. I got that fantastic price at Listen Up in Allbuquerque. That's 700 dollars less then the newer model.
@starlight7830 Жыл бұрын
AVR-X6700H is going for $3299 . Wow what a price increase !
@HiPlains1 Жыл бұрын
@@starlight7830 it's only marginally better and same power at 140 watts.
@DCUPtoejuice8 ай бұрын
Getting this to get to 7.4.1
@abehaile26593 жыл бұрын
You lost me at $2,500. Thumbs up for putting that tidbit within the first 38 seconds 👍🏽👏🏽👋🏽
@ReferenceHomeTheater3 жыл бұрын
If it's too expensive, no reason to watch a full review, right?
@abehaile26593 жыл бұрын
Reference Home Theater hear, hear!
@marklindsey19953 жыл бұрын
$2500, and the next closest competitor is an Arcam AV30 @ $7000
@FenderStrat197113 жыл бұрын
Very helpful review with lots of information!!!
@jasonmacfarland83153 жыл бұрын
Can you control zone 2 and 3 with the heos app ? Can you play 3 different sources at the same time (main 7ch, Zone2, and Zone3) off of assignable powered outputs?
@derekclark75452 жыл бұрын
But can it run 9.1.4 as in, Fronts L/R, Fronts wide L/R, Sides L/R, Rears L/R. Sub, Centre, 4 ceiling. I have 7.1.4 but the room is long and would like to infill two more speakers between the fronts and wide's to help make a more progressive transfer of sound between those speakers. I use a Pioneer SC LX59 that allows to use of a second amp to drive the front speakers, this is key to my system as that amp has a pass through for the Av amp allowing the AV amp to control its volume but also means I can listen to my HiFi without the AV amp interfering with the sound quality, the HiFi AMP is a Musical Fidelity M3si.
@braziluluwita82683 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the amazing detailed review - I just subscribed to your channel. Keep up your good work. Cheers.
@monroethegreat75392 жыл бұрын
I had a question I have the Denon AVR-X4700H, I have the 77 LG CX OLED, Not sure under format Input signal it's saying, PCM instead of Dolby Audio, Also the format is 2/0/.0 instead of 3/2/.1
@vibeinstalls9890 Жыл бұрын
Good job , thanks
@abelgamino3 жыл бұрын
Great review
@totalplonker8243 жыл бұрын
Denon receivers are great if one likes having the soundtrack loud all of the time but when one has the volume on low that's where one can't hide the quality of its sound, a good quality AV doesn't just sound good on high volume, it should sound good on low volume too! Mind you I can see why people love the Denon receivers with the fabulous heos app, Setup Assistant, excellent graphics and the extremely user-friendliness of the AV itself and I think it would be best if I didn't mention the 2-channel stereo sound considering there are probably Denon AV owners reading is right now! Lol
@armandosain73233 жыл бұрын
Don't be silly, you haven't heard a good sound in your life
@totalplonker8243 жыл бұрын
@@armandosain7323 I apologise if my constructive criticism is not what you want it here, but I wonder if you're listening to your Denon in a acoustically untreated environment or even in a uncarpeted room environment! the reason why I say this is because fortunately for you it's going to be more difficult for you to hear the transformer components etc humming away in the background! There is always the other possibility that you're pretty new to this and you really not quite sure what good audio supposed to sound like?
@armandosain73233 жыл бұрын
@@totalplonker824 I have been dealing with audio for more than 30g, the room where I use it is set up especially for music, and home koino, I changed a lot of receivers, but denon is definitely the best, but only higher class, not these lower class models
@totalplonker8243 жыл бұрын
@@armandosain7323Thanks for your reply "Denon is definitely the best" but best for what? I probably agree with you to a certain extent, denon is the best in most aspects apart from the most crucial aspect, which is audio quality! Part of the reason why Denon receivers are so popular not only are they reasonably priced they are also extremely user-friendly and people are comfortable with them, denon can afford to sell them at that price because they source cheap components! Please don't tell me you think a Denon receiver is on par with arcam, Cambridge Audio, anthem etc
@armandosain73233 жыл бұрын
@@totalplonker824 they have, and top sound I mean top models, not these lower classes, the differences between the mentioned brands 99% of users will not hear.
@udomprasertpong36322 жыл бұрын
Remote setup onfinger memory onetouch!?
@marklindsey19953 жыл бұрын
With 2 Audyssey presets, can I store 1 Atmos set and 1 Auro 3d setup? Height speakers are front height, center height, top center, surround height, top front, and top rear. 10 speakers. Surround height always hooked up. Is it possible to use heights for Auro (AUD1), then uplug the cables and switch to tops for Atmos (AUD2)? I assume I will have to change room layout or are there presets for that also?
@CaseTheCorvetteMan Жыл бұрын
The two speaker presets take care of exactly what you are talking about. You can set two completely different speaker layouts and it will save corrections for them individually.
@chistisadaf2 жыл бұрын
Is x6700 a good AVR for Kef R11 series speakers?
@takashio20912 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very clear video. Can I use this product in Japan? Is there anything I should pay attention to when using it in Japan?
@CaseTheCorvetteMan Жыл бұрын
It was made in Japan, so ofcourse you can use it there. :)
@gurjantm5 ай бұрын
No, this 6700h is for North America and runs on 120 volts. In Japan, you will need a 6700h that is 100 volts or 230 volts depending on your region. Voltage is listed on the back of the receiver.
@Jedi_Order813 жыл бұрын
Great review Reference Home Theatre. Once I finish my set up I will want to upgrade my AVR. I will have a 5.1.2 setup with a Prime Center, Prime Pinnacle Towers, Prime Elevations as my front Dolby height channels, Ultra Surrounds as my rear channels, & a PB-2000 Pro. Would you recommend the Denon AVR-X6700H to feed the system plenty of power? Or would you recommend the less expensive AVR-X4700H? I should mention I don’t plan on adding an amplifier Thank you very much for the feedback
@ReferenceHomeTheater3 жыл бұрын
Those are all reasonable to drive, at 8 ohms, though 86-88dB nominal. Since you're routing the bass off to subs it should be a bit easier to drive. I think either will work fine, though the fact that the Center is only 86dB sensitive makes me lean towards the X6700H to be sure.
@Jedi_Order813 жыл бұрын
@@ReferenceHomeTheater -Thank you very much for the feedback
@JohnMcMahan53 жыл бұрын
Are all of the inputs hdmi 2.1 or just the 8k input?
@Coffeedad3 жыл бұрын
Where can i find the aquarium that’s playing @4:11?
@ReferenceHomeTheater3 жыл бұрын
That is a Roku screen saver
@KahluaMike674 жыл бұрын
Have a quick question. I bought the Denon S960h. It has 2 outputs Monitor 1 & 2. I have a Samsung Q90T that has 1 HDMI 2.1 input and it's input 4 whereas my eArc input is input 3. I have an Xbox One X that I want to utilize the 1080p/120hz mode. I have the Xbox plugged into the HDMI 2.1 input on the receiver and the rest of my drives plugged into the other inputs. My question is do I utilize both receiver outputs? Monitor 1 output to the eARC input on my tv to get TV audio back to the receiver AND also output from monitor 2 output to the HDMI 2.1 input on my tv in order to get the 120hz mode from my Xbox One X? If that's the case does the receiver just know to use Monitor output 2 when I'm using my Xbox, Ps4, Switch and Fire TV. I know that's alot I'm just not familiar with using a receiver with 2 HDMI outputs. Thanks for your help
@ReferenceHomeTheater4 жыл бұрын
We haven't tested the 960H, but the way you'd likely want to set this up is by having the main output with eARC going to the eARC input on the TV, and then connect the Xbox One X to the input on the TV that supports 8K/HDMI 2.1. Then you can use eARC to pass the full uncompressed audio back to the Denon from the Samsung while still having the full bandwidth input for 120Hz gaming. The secondary output on the Denon might not support 120Hz (we haven't tested) as often you'd use that for a situation where you have a TV and projector in the same system but the secondary device usually wouldn't support eARC or 120Hz. This gets complex since Samsung (and Vizio) this year are putting HDMI 2.1 high-bandwidth inputs and eARC on different HDMI ports, so using the high-bandwidth input on a receiver won't work if you also want eARC, so I'd connect the Xbox directly to the TV and see if that solves the issue.
@sorehair70753 жыл бұрын
how does this receiver do in regards to heat? I have a lesser model (S950H) which gets hot and shuts down rather easily.. not happy with that as I like music a little on the loud side for at least an entire cd's worth of music
@ReferenceHomeTheater3 жыл бұрын
I never had it shut down on me, even after playing movies and music all day long. It was kept in an AV rack that's open on all sides but in a closet, so in a completely enclosed space it might be different.
@georgepopescu13273 жыл бұрын
Any chance you tested Auro 3D and the AURO upmixer on this AVR ?
@ReferenceHomeTheater3 жыл бұрын
No, I don't have a speaker setup for Auro 3D so I can't comment on that performance.
@SuperGeorge21124 жыл бұрын
Not actually a receiver, it is classed as a Cinema Amplifier, as it has no radio tuner but internet radio instead.
@ReferenceHomeTheater4 жыл бұрын
If you watch the video at 0:46 in (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h72Jisme2MCZl6s.html) you'll see it has AM and FM antenna inputs as it does have a radio tuner built-in, at least in the United States. It's possible that versions for overseas lack the appropriate tuners for their countries.
@badgastein24 жыл бұрын
European model has no FM radio and is designated AVC, American model has FM tuner built in and named AVR. Applies to the whole Denon range of multi-channel amplifiers.
@fero181892 жыл бұрын
Should I get 6700 or 8500 ??
@CaseTheCorvetteMan Жыл бұрын
Both
@lordw96094 жыл бұрын
Very informative thanks. But if I hear the word "Maysure" one more time, I'm gonna lose it.
@changary93114 жыл бұрын
Model no should be "C" but not "R", that's AVC-X6700H but not AVR-X6700H
@ReferenceHomeTheater4 жыл бұрын
It looks like in the UK, it's the AVC-X6700H, but in the US and the one we tested it's the AVR-X6700H and includes a tuner so it's a receiver and not a cinema amplifier.
@iamnoone61183 жыл бұрын
Can you please tell me is all the hdmi inputs are capable of 4K 120hz or is it just the one 8K?
@ReferenceHomeTheater3 жыл бұрын
Only the 8K input can do 4K 120Hz as it requires more than 18Gb/sec of bandwidth. Theoretically you could do 4K 120Hz with 8-bit color (so no HDR) and 4:2:0 chroma subsampling, but no content uses that format so I don't expect you do see anything that can.
@iamnoone61183 жыл бұрын
@@ReferenceHomeTheater That's what I thought. I guess I'll wait and see what next year brings. Thanks very much for answering my question.
@_Volt_Ron_3 жыл бұрын
@@iamnoone6118 The new XBOX and new PS5 can use HDMI 2.1 for 8k@60Hz/4K@120Hz. I don't know of any other source devices that utilize that. At least not yet. If your TV has additional free HDMI 2.1 ports, then you could use those as inputs, and the eARC port back to the Receiver to feed those device's audio. Opps - he explains that @9:43. There are 2 new Yamaha Receivers for this year that have multiple HDMI 2.1. But I think it maxes out at 7 channels.
@iamnoone61183 жыл бұрын
@@_Volt_Ron_ I'm treating myself to a Nvidia 3090 in addition to at least one if not both of the new consoles. I need at least two 8K inputs as I have no patience to screw around unplugging and re-plugging cables. Also at this time, I don't know of any TVs that have more than one 2.1 input.
@_Volt_Ron_3 жыл бұрын
@@iamnoone6118 l oh you are right about some video cards that support HDMI 2.1, as the new nVidia RTX 3000 series cards. Including the 3090. Forgot about that. I also agree about not wanting to plug/unplug HDMI cables with too few HDMI 2.1 ports. No way. There don't appear to be that many TVs that have multiple HDMI ports. But the LG CX/GX models have 4 HDMI 2.1. ports. Those are OLED TVs. And the Sony X900H (LCD) has 4 HDMI 2.1 ports. Here is that Yamaha RX-V6A Receiver that has 7 HDMI 2.1 ports. www.crutchfield.com/p_022RXV6ABL/Yamaha-RX-V6A-2020-model.html The RX-V4A will have 4 HDMI 2.1 ports. You can look up the stats on Crutchfield's page.
@LievenRebry Жыл бұрын
nice .... buth the speaker speaks to fast to listen and understand the stuff he tells
@dwp1slyfox4 жыл бұрын
Any chance you will be reviewing the Marantz sr7015 and sr8015?
@ReferenceHomeTheater4 жыл бұрын
Not at the moment, but we can consider them for the future.
@Samzep3 жыл бұрын
Anthem 720 much better
@anthonyrizzo844 жыл бұрын
This against the 8500h?
@ReferenceHomeTheater4 жыл бұрын
We haven't tested the X8500H yet, though we talk about it near the end of the video. It won't have an HDMI 2.1 upgrade until later this year.
@HiPlains14 жыл бұрын
At 4K bucks I doubt Denon will send many out for review. Its freaking huge at 50 lbs and will NOT fit in most audio cabinets. IMO, the sweet spot is the outgoing AVR X6500H. Just picked one up for 1499 and it will do about 90 percent of what the 8500 can and 95 percent of what a X6700H will do. Those discounts won't last long. I got it running some monster Polk audio SDA SRS 1.2 from the eighties and they are VERY demanding as far as power. The X6500 does a great job and sounds really good for two channel listening as well as for multichannel listening
@RichardAdkins3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. However, your way of talking is a bit too fast.
@armystud69292 жыл бұрын
2500? On what planet? These things are almost $4000 or more
@ReferenceHomeTheater2 жыл бұрын
$2500 is the MSRP at the time the video was made. Since then the AKM factory that produces many of the chips inside burned down, and there was a massive chip shortage worldwide that affected price and availability, but right now it looks like it is $3100 from Denon, Amazon, and other dealers.
@johnbancroft52422 жыл бұрын
I paid under £1700 for mine new, and it's a late model so 8K works etc. Im also running a couple of Emotive BasX power amps, for the front 3 and 4 surround channels, means the Denon only powers the 4 Heights and 2 Atmos channels.
@kodyadams55617 ай бұрын
UP HERE IN CANADA WE BOUGHT DENON AVR 6700H FOR $1,200 CDN AND THE PANASONIC DPU 9000 4K UHD BLU RAY PLAYER FOR $ 1,050 IN TOTAL $2,250 CASH 22X$100 BILLS PLUS A 50 AT VISION ELECTRONICS. ALWAYS ALWAYS BRING CASH 100 BILLS TO BRICK AND MORTER ELECTRONIC STORES EXCEPT BEST BUY AND COSTCO.
@charlesrobinson81432 жыл бұрын
Nice saltwater setup
@theo6104 жыл бұрын
Get the Yamaha. This is way overpriced. Rip off. Also the 8K is ONLY 40Gb and NOT 48 Gb !!!
@ReferenceHomeTheater4 жыл бұрын
The new Yamaha models look interesting, but they're better compared to a model like the Denon X2700H, which is also a 7.2 channel receiver with an 8K input. I've liked a number of Yamaha receivers in the past for stereo audio, but their YPAO room correction has always been lacking compared to Audyssey, with very little low frequency correction where you most need it. The lack of multiple 8K inputs on a receiver will be an issue in a few years potentially, but not right now. Most 8K TVs (including those from Samsung, Vizio, and more) have their eARC and 8K inputs on separate HDMI ports, so they're almost designed for a receiver to use the eARC input and connect 8K devices directly to the TV. Yamaha also doesn't specify the bandwidth of their 8K ports, but 40Gb/sec and 48Gb/sec will have almost certainly no real world difference, as no TV uses a 12-bit display panel and currently has no reason to in the future, and going to 48-bit the only difference is 12-bit 4:4:4 4K, 120Hz video. And the only device we know right now that might do that bitrate, the Xbox Series X, is going to achieve is using FRL and DSC over lower-bitrate HDMI ports, so both the Denon and Yamaha could still pass the signal. 40 vs 48 is unimportant in the real world.