Not any chance at all of that happening, these companies need a reason to convince you to upgrade your AVR/AVP every year or so ;)

I WISH it was class D!! I would’ve just got that!! I have a pioneer lx901 which is class D but I want to upgrade. I’m thinking to do the x4800 + external class D amp. I feel it’s kind of a waste but oh well..

I have had the X6700H for a year and 3 months that was made in Japan and I thought the same thing until I started having problems with 2 (so far) HDMI ports that stopped functioning. I will stick to the cheaper stuff in the future as all 3 of my bargain avr's from 2007-2009 all still function perfectly from Denon and Yamaha.

DEQ is not available for Dirac. Basically you have speaker preset 1 for Audyssey and 2 for Dirac (which has 3 slots for saving)

The TR option is so that the output is not treated by the corrections as for TR you want a clean output.

99% they will not. I asked direct question to Dirac office and they football me to Massimo. My forecast is next model year will have updated DSP with Dirac ART capability.

@@level80888 we'll see. If base control works, ART should too, according to Dirac.

I doubt they are going to do that. It looks like they are reserving the new UI and all of these new updates for the newer 2022/2023 lineup - 2800, 3800,4800 and so on.

Biggest reason I switched my old Denon x6300 to a Pioneer lx901 was because of the ridiculous amount of heat it gave off. But sadly not really much options anymore for Class D AVR’s & I’d like to upgrade..

you dont understand: its 1080p 60(!) hz. Omg, lol. Even damn iphone can 120hz nowadays...

@@level80888 don't understand, what you are referring to in my comment.

No multichannel flac? That is a letdown. My older (2013) Had this function. Do you know if the Marantz Cinema and Yamaha A6A allow for this?

@@MykWazowski Which Denon was that? My 4520 from 2013 only supports 2 channel Flac.

@@stefanklein1863 Applogies, forgot to mention the brand and model. It is a Onkyo Tx-929. It plays 2 and multichannel flac vis USB and network.

There is no x6800h.

I have the 3800 and in my 5.1.4 setup I have 5 Martin Logan Motion speakers that are 4 ohms and they were driven just fine by the 3800h. I added an Outlaw 5000x to power all of the 4 ohm Martin Logans and noticed an increase in directionality of the sound during movies. Objects moving around seemed to be more precise in their placement with amplification. Didn’t really test on 2 channel listening as that just not my jam. My setup is for home cinema.

the 8500ha now takes that place

no, your unit supports only Auro3D. All other features - 8K ports, Dirac, etc - require new DSP.

@Miners cat Will DENON release a software update to support/update these new changes for my unit (2021 &2022 units)? They need to stand by their products.

@@venus263 again, your unit has an older SoC (DSP) which does not support new features. Get rid of it while it has residue value. Sorry.

Honestly the 4700h right now is a bad buy given that the 3800h is now out. I had purchased and returned the 4700 and picked up the 3800 instead. Thankfully I was within my BestBuy return window to do so. 3800 is within the newer line that is getting all of these updates and has the newer GUI. Also has all proper modern HDMI 2.1 ports where 4700 only has one. Has the 4 Subwoofer outputs and support for directional subs (put 4 subs in 4 corners of the room and the Denon will output the localized bass from a given channel to the closest sub in that corner). 3800 will get Dirac Live upgrade ability in March 2023. Only thing 4700 has going for it is slightly more power output but both receivers are begging for external amplification anyway so that slight bump is a wash. In summary I say again…don’t buy the 4700 in 2023…instead grab the 3800h.

@@JonMoralesLA I've owned the 4700 for nearly 12 months now, so my best option is to sell. Hopefully, I could recoup enough money and try to get the 3800. Chasing all these updates on a yearly basis is beginning to get to me now.

think twice: any standalone power amplifier will destroy these Denons. And you reeeealy underestimate Dirac, 4 subs and new DSP as a whole. 3800 with external amplifier will give you better volume and quality of sound. 6700 has 11.2 vs 9.4 on 3800/4800, but this is still not enough for some formats (say 13.4 dts or so).

@@level80888 but the 4800, 6700, 8500ha and ah1 have the same monolitic amplifiers?

@@jelleschaftenaar4669 not sure, but most likely - yes. He said they have trickeled down some features from upper models down the line. But anyway I doubt these changes could justify $1,000 difference bt 3800/4800 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@level80888 I’m in line with your thinking. I jumped in at the 3800h and bought an Outlaw 5000x Amp. I will gladly purchase Dirac Live upgrade when available and eventually externally amplify the rest of my speakers as well. I have an Auro 3D speaker layout with the base 5.1.4. Height speakers setup as front and rear heights. I use my Outlaw amp to power the base layers. I see The 3800 as a pre-pro. One of the most affordable Pre-Pros that has Audyssey, Auro 3D and Dirac Live all in the same box.

@@JonMoralesLA cool. 95% of Atmos tracks are trash anyway, so Auro3D upmixer has a lot of work to do.

all audio through Alexa is compressed (better streaming options available : (smart TV with ethernet connection etc.))

@@hj8607 I'm not concerned with playing through Alexa, it's the voice commands to turn on the Denon and play music from say Spotify that doesn't work as advertised.

bc its ugly and unpractical

@@level80888 nah

Just wondering what PMC speakers you are running with 6500

@@totalplonker824 PMC 24's but I have two power amps also connected to the 6500 so they do all the work, the 6500 runs the centre, surround, rear surrounds and atmos speakers

@@BoredSilly666 nice stereo speakers! So what 2-ch/movies listening habits do you have mate..

@@totalplonker824 Mainly Dub, Reggae, Acid House, Jungle etc but I listen to everything new on Qobuz each week. I use a Qutest Dac for music with Sbooster power supply, Sotm Streamer with Sbooster power supply but probably the best thing ive done so far is treat all my room properly. I would recommend everyone to learn acoustics then treat their space.

One last question if I may.. CABLES, can you list your RCAs and speaker cables please loving the sbooster supply... future shop perhaps.

Yeah it should be available as a purchasable upgrade at the very least.

they reserved it for marantz. What a clouns.

My Denon AVR 4311 has a backlit remote, so the question is, why did they stop making backlit remotes..

I think integra is pretty ugly too, worse than any of the two you listed.

@@nebtheweb8885 Yeah Integra’s another ugly Betty.😄

Gene of Audioholics has apparently discussed this with manufacturers and the reason this doesn't ever happen is that the consumer market for pre-pros is very small compared to receivers. Just not many people out there buying Pre-pros. Manufacturing cost is in large part effected by the economies of scale. If they order 1000 pre-pros to be manufactured vs 50,000 amplifiers...they just don't get the price down to where you think it would and it actually ends up being even more expensive to the consumer that just buying a receiver. So you would never get the unicorn price of $1,000 for a pre-pro. It would likely cost $2,000 or more because the volume just isn't there. Sucks cause I'm with you. I would love to have an affordable pre-pro but the world of people that even know what a pre-pro is is very small. The market is in fact moving towards Sound bars if anything. So this dream is just not likely to happen. The budget pre-pros out there kinda suck with features. They just are so bare bones. I really want a Pre-Pro with Auro 3D for example...just hard to find at any reasonable price. So to me...the 3800h is very much like an affordable pre-pro within my price range. I'm already running 5 of my 9 channels to external amp and want to have all channels amped eventually.

@@JonMoralesLA agree for 3800, but you still paying for parts you dont need. I got nothing to do but pay for it too.

I agree with you that Auro 3D is not supposed to have speakers setup directly overhead. I do think it’s great that at least people who have that overhead Dolby speaker layout can still turn on Auro 3D if they want with the upcoming update. Before Auro 3D would simply not show up as an option if you chose certain height layouts. But for sure people using a Dolby Atmos layout with top heights are not going to have an ideal Auro 3D experience with speakers set up like that I would think…as I have not tested Auro in a Dolby speaker layout.