No-one has refused to sell a cake based on who the customer loves. Just like in this video, the cake was not refused based on who the customer disapproves of. Refusal of sale has been based on the cake itself and the message upon the cake, not the customer of the cake. In the case of this video, the cake shop owner refused to make a product to the customers specification as it went against her beliefs, and in this case everyone agrees she has the right to do so. But the fact is, if she has the right to do so then so does everyone else weather you happen to agree with it or not or if you think it's judgemental is irrelevant. You can defend against people like me all you like, big up yourself brah! But when you realise that I have not been judgemental or mean spirited in any way then you might realise that you have wasted your time fighting a cause that never existed. All I am asking for here is that the law be applied to everyone equally. Either you have the freedom to refuse a sale based on the fact that the item in question is an item you do not wish to manufacture or you do not. Personally, I would rather people have that right to refuse the sale of an item they don't want to make and I am glad to see the woman in this video exercise that right. I just think the law should apply to everyone equally, not just to those that you or I happen to agree with. I honestly do not see how that is mean spirited or judgemental. It's equality, and true equality is not the kind that happens only when it suites you, or gays, or straights, or men, women, black, whites or whoever. Between you, me and the cake shop owners the only one that has been overly judgemental and mean spirited here is you.

radbot1 - In the case of the gay couple who were the victims of discrimination, they didn't ask for something that wasn't for sale. They asked for a wedding cake from bakers who bake wedding cakes. Your opinion if just that - your opinion. If you're a business owner in a state that has laws that protect certain classes of people from discrimination you're expected to abide by those laws. You don't get to pick and choose which laws you'll obey and which you'll ignore based on your personal beliefs, no matter how "deeply held" you believe them to be. In the case at hand, the baker didn't discriminate against the Christian man. She agreed to make his cakes, but declined to write his requested message on the cakes. If she were a Christian baker opposed to writing "God Doesn't Exist" on a cake, she'd have the right to refuse that as well. Refusing to write hateful comments on a cake is not discrimination. Do you understand the difference? If not please let me know. I'm here to help.

Amen

+radbot1 so, if an interracial couple wanted a cake, the businesses should also have the right not to make it, if they prefer not to?

+Independent Politics if the gig itself went against their morals, then yes, yes they should.

marksmith46 It's their business so they have the right to decide if they want to serve you. You're not entitled to everything princess.

marksmith46 If I got told to leave I'd realize that I was making an ass of myself and respect the owners wishes. The only reason those freeloading butt-fuckers are winning cases is because everyone in this country is petrified of being labeled a racist or as a homophobic. This country is soft and far too easily offended and you are the type of person that makes this possible. Grow a fucking pair, lose the panties and man up.

thank your someone with some since, they stay crying and messing up peoples lives over a freaking cake, WHEN THERE IS PLENTY OF BAKERYS TO GO TO IN THIS WORLD. and that's their business and they should have to right to or not. people need to calm the freak down over some cake.

Well they shouldn't compromise everyone rights or dismiss them, for this group people.

Kody Magnussen - That's not what the law says.

marksmith46 what's so stupid about not forcing your beliefs on other people?

I don't know what the message was, but hate speech is a stupid term also marksmith46 and yes bakeries bake cakes but those cakes are the property of the bakery's owner. If the owner doesn't want to sell them or put a message on them then they shouldn't have to for any reason

Why is defending the right to property stupid?

marksmith46 when you buy something it belongs to you but just because you are willing to buy something doesn't mean the owner has to sell it to you. Where did I say closed mindedness and intolerance were noble? I personally don't think people should refuse to do cakes for gay weddings but they shouldn't be forced to. Once the cake is sold to you it's yours to do with it as you wish, write messages, use it for a gay wedding whatever, but until then it belongs to the bakery

marksmith46 where did I say gay cakes were anti traditional marriage? I'm pretty certain any cake with writing on it can convey an opinion, and sometimes that opinion can be polarizing. In such cases when the baker takes offence to or opposes the view being endorsed by the cake they have the right not to put their icing on that cake to create that message. This goes both ways, with both anti gay marriage cakes or pro gay marriage cakes, if you don't want to write on the cake you shouldn't have to. note I am not opposed to gay marriage and think those that refuse to write pro gay marriage sentiments on cakes they offer are stupid. However I can't stand the hypocrisy of the fact that refusing to serve someone on grounds that they request you to write something you find abhorrent, is only punished when the ones being refused are gay. Freedom to refuse such a service to someone goes both ways, if you don't want to be forced to write "god hates fags" on your cake then someone else shouldn't have to write "support gay marriage" on theirs

Nope. You're not alone. She didn't break the law either. She won the case -- she was able to prove that the basis for the refusal to do the job wasn't the customer's status as a Christian (which would be illegal), but because she had a policy of not writing derogatory messages on any cake for any customer (i.e., "derogatory" cakes just weren't on her menu).

No actually what she did is discriminate But homofascists refuse to admit it

@@atheistsrnumber1 there’s nothing illegal or wrong about the owner of a cakeshop refusing to sell an anti gay cake. It’s not discrimination against Christians. It’s the same as a Christian cakeowner refusing to make and sell a gay wedding cake. It is fine and not discrimination of gay ppl. They own the shop and can sell what they want. Is it discrimination towards Indians to have an italian restaurant only serve Italian food and not sell any Indian food?

@@saklee1777 it is not allowed to discriminate against gays what are you on

it's funny how an anti gay bakery would get shut down for this, but a pro gay bakery gets away with being a hypocrite

+Nocktuk Daze 😒

Lolli Mocha sorry for pointing out the flaw in your logic

AWWWWWW YIS Someone from this comment section being nice! (This is for Chloe)

rydndtyllama, you are a mean person.

You're not very bright. Keep trying.

@@firepower7654 uh oh. you lost. :)

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Nope. The court ruled that you can't make the baker write any message that he disagrees with, as that is a violation of his right of speech. Speech cannot be compelled.

@@firepower7654 dude, i said you lost because you said this was wrong: "if [they gay couple] want to take away others rights to refuse them, they have to give up the right to refuse to serve too!! That's called equal protection under the law!!" that is not wrong. no one can force another to serve them. that would be slavery.

The pro-gay business didn't refuse service....isn't that the point?

Tifany Stills What the hec are you talking about, pro gay businesses do refuse service

Law19157 - Gay newlyweds don't ask for cakes that say "straight marriage is wrong" or "Christians are wrong." A Christian ordering a cake that says homosexuals are bad is the same as a gay person asking for a cake that says Christians are bad. If one is OK, both are OK. If one is wrong, both are wrong. End of story.

Gene Bivins You're ignorant, yes they do. This is no different than ordering a black baker to make a cake for a KKK event even though the cake may not have any messages on it. I suppose you wouldn't have a problem making cakes and catering for KKK & Neo Nazi events

I would make it for them if they came into my store--which their own prejudice would stop them from doing. Making them a cake, for pay, wouldn't make me sympathetic to their cause, any more than baking an undecorated cake for gay people makes Christians sympathetic to gay marriage. It's an exchange of a product for money, with no strings attached.

WRONG - Discrimination Based On One's Arbitrary Traits Is Not Equal To Refusing Inappropriate *or even bigoted Expressions.

Bath Crest I could agree with that if they questioned every damn customer about their feelings on abortion, divorce, swearing, masturbating, and lusting after thy neighbor's wife, but no, it's just gay issues, which leads me to believe they're just using the Bible as a useful tool for justifying pre-existing shitty opinions. It looks to me like people get really vocal about a sin they'll never be guilty of - gay love - but everything else gets a wink and a nod and a gentle turning away. (Seriously though, I would never agree to that, because I'm not a judgmental fuck and believe in minding my own business and everyone's right to be happy).

Bath Crest "the ones we can resist we should. " It's a cake, not an open vagina with a "Munch Here" sign sticking out of it. No one is asking you to have gay sex. And I'm not so sure about you not believing beheading gays: plenty of you do.

I should have the right as a US citizen to choose who I do or do not do business with. It does not matter if you agree with me and visa versa. It does not matter what the reason is. My neighbor won't speak to me because I support Republican policies. I think she is rediculous, but guess what, it is her right a free US citizen to associate with whom ever she wants. It is part of our Constitution. It's called freedom of assembly. Any other argument is just politics and political correctness.

There was no discriminatory message on the cake. It literally said "don't discriminate." Also, there is no such thing as normality.

This!

That’s gross

I'm gay and against the narcissism and ego fragility in Christianity 🙂

There is no Law protecting a customer asking for an item with disparaging or derogatory remarks written on it. It can be denied.

@@TothanCrawk Okay then see what happens on judgement day.

That's exactly what the christian baker refused to to you idiot!!

Truthseeker1 Perhaps you should change your screen name to "Dumb-Fuck" instead of Truthseeker. None of the gay couples....NOT ONE...in any case in the USA regarding gays and bakers did they request any writing or special decorations. Head out of ass is step one to seeking the truth, by the way.

Truthseeker1 Actually the details have been released to the public for a long time. Sounds like you are an uneducated stupid fuck-stick who can't think their way out of a paper bag. Now back to your generic beer and tractor pull watching. We wouldn't want a piece of shit trailer bigot, like yourself, getting all upset you missed the main event of the pull and beat your toothless wife. Oh, wait...That's pretty much every Friday night for you. My bad.

Fire Power No. The "cake" means the whole thing as ordered. It's like saying if she refuses to put any icing or toppings on it and just gives them the baked loaf she made them the cake. She would have baked it but not "finished it." All bakeries advertise the "cake" as finished product as ordered and specified.

StopFear Nope...That's what we call a load of bullshit. Everyone should have the right to the same, exact product that is presented to all. If one would like alterations to said product, it is up to the one providing the product if that will be provided. In this case it was a cake. The people ordering the cake just wanted one that was provided to everyone. No alterations. No changes. If they HAD ordered something the bakery doesn't provide on a normal basis to all, the bakery would have had a leg to stand on. For instance....Let's say they customer ordered a cake out of the case but asked the icing that is only offered by the baker in chocolate or vanilla be flavored in a berry that can only be obtained in the Antarctica once a year and the baker would have to fetch said berry. Well, in this case the baker, as it wasn't something they normally provide, could just flat out say no, but offer them chocolate or vanilla (offered to all). The baker could also accept the request. It is their choice when it comes to SPECIAL REQUEST. The event the cake will be served at is not a special request and in all actuality, none of the bakers fucking business. Now in the case of writing on a cake, the courts have ruled that ANY writing is a first amendment right. Even writing on cakes. In other words, no one can be forced to write ANYTHING they don't want to. Even bakers. So if the gay couples had requested the bakers to write on their cake, "We love gay marriage", the baker could refuse to write said message. However, they would still be required to sell the gay couple the cake in the case offered to all. That is what happened in the case of the Christian "gotcha" guy trying to entrap the gay baker. He tried to get the baker to decorate a SPECIAL ORDER cake (bible picture not offered in the case) with writing that the bakery does not offer. Double whammy....They are out the door. Come on, dude...this isn't rocket science. Get your thinking cap on.

Yes, yes. After this you will go to the Christian couple´s bakery and demand them to bake your sodomite "wedding" a cake and then sue them when they refuse. Hypocrite.

it is discrimination moron. they are refusing services based on religion

***** no, its not. The baker offered to service him and make the cake but not write the messiah

***** *message

It is indeed discrimination.

Atheist Jewish Messiah you do realize that the bakery had to write the message or do the design themselves for its what the customer is paying them? so you see its all part of it. whats not discrimination is if they want them to service them at a gay wedding for example

If she wins her case then t the baker in Colorado should have won his initially. She refused service to the Christian man because it goes against her belief/moral ethics. She was asked to bake and design that cake. She refused. Thus she is discriminating based against his religious belief.

Yes but his logic and knowledge of the law is faulty. There is no Law that protects disparaging or derogatory messages. They can be denied.

Yes. This is why the Pastor did this.

Gabe King Let me explain something further to you. I went to that bakery today. I live in Denver and I went out of my way to buy some empanadas from this bakery just because of people like you. I went there with my wife and two young daughters because I want to support them and I want to educate my daughters not to be hate-filled people like you. The people who own this bakery are very lovely people from Peru. They are just trying to make it in this county. We had a great time, eating pastries, drinking coffee, and just being normal, good natured people. Maybe someday, you might not be so hate-filled. I don't know what's wrong with you. Your religion has made you less of a person.

Gabe King You're a disgusting, hate filled individual.

Gabe King I realize that you're locked into a conservative, rather extremist view of the way the world works but suprise, there are liberal Christians out there who have been baptized, accepted Christ and even go to church. I know you wouldn't be able to recognize them but I promise you that they do exist. btw, I called you hateful because of the way you act towards others, not because of your particular viewpoints. As Matthew 7:16 says, "By their fruits you will know them." Your fruit is rotten buddy, but I wouldn't expect much more from someone either crazy or trollish enough to label one of their playlists "Lucifer /Vatican/ Reptillian Demon Gods" and who takes Alex Jones seriously on any subject.

Stop being such in ignorant bigot "mojo".. You're calling Christians homophobes is absurd. You gays don't to be labeled - yet you label others? HYPOCRITE! Liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet. You use words like homophobe and hate as weapons.

Ignore mojo, he's a troll

I am always on the side of the baker, gay support or not doesn't matter to me. As a baker, it is their busienss and they should have every right to run it however they want.

booknerd78 how is this not hateful towards lgbtq people?

Equal protection under the law. If a Christian is forced to make a cake with a message he morally disagrees with, but another baker is allowed to deny a customer for the same reason, it shows that the court is one-sided against not just Christian's, but any religion, since most major world religions condemn homosexuality as unnatural.

booknerd78 Which is exactly why I disagree with organised religion. Nothing but a load of brainwashed idiots believing only what they are told to believe by their scriptures.

@@southwestlondonerbrown2737 like everything, scripture is up for interpretation, and everyone has the freedom of will to determine their own interpretation. That's why even within a single religion there are so many sects and branches, ranging from progressive to fundamentalist.

booknerd78 If they have such freedoms then why are basically all of them so anti gay? Nobody is born anti gay it is years of brainwashing that causes it.

The Hopeful One The point is that Christians are not allowed to refuse service to gay weddings.

Mattie Burns And because Christardia is a protected status, we can't discriminate Christians right back. How's that for unjust suckage? When Christians relinquish their protected status so I, as an Atheist, can put up a sign that says "NO CHRISTIANS WILL BE SERVED HERE", Christians will maybe understand.

Gene Bivins So if they wanted a cake that said "Marriage is between One Man and One Woman only", you think they would still make the cake? there was no anti-gay message, only a positive message in support of traditional marriage. Refusal to bake that cake would be discrimination.

Yes it would, but that hasn't happened yet, has it? Those people aren't really trying to get the cake; they're trying to make their point against gay people.

Gene Bivins I'll admit, they've taken the wrong approach and it's simply being provocative to be provocative, but there definately is a double standard here. We all know that a gay baker would feel very unnerved by taking the order with the statement "One Man and One Woman only", and i understand why; i therefore believe they have a right to decline the order, just as Christians should be able to decline making cakes for a gay wedding.

Making a cake for a gay wedding is an anti christian message though.

Or just support gays?

Sleep Deprived Baggy I don’t hate gay people, I just hate how the government puts chemicals in the water and in our food and in the air and they force the FDA to let big evil company’s use toxic plastics that leech into water and drinks that are in plastic bottles and your body absorbs micro plastics that mimic estrogen and turns people gay, the government is doing that as population control, gay people can’t reproduce and the government wants to reduce the population

@@DARK_AMBIGUOUS Wtf?

SuperSam424 it is what it is.

EXACTLY.

SuperSam424 Yeah he is the typical self righteous intolerant liberal. Look at all his comments. He spews more hate than anyone I have seen on this video. Liberals are all tolerant as long as you agree with them. Im not religious myself, but I am tired of all the double standards. I believe a business should serve who they want to serve. It is bad business to turn away people, but they should have the right. What if a straight porn actor is approached to do a porn with a gay porn star? Can they say no?

Gabe King I don't remember anything in the Constitution that says you should exist and yet here you are on the internet toilet, taking yet another blabbermouth shit.

SuperSam424 Christian theology is hate. So there.

That messed up logic doe

Imagine not giving a couple a cake when they already have issues getting married. Now imagine a bunch of people belittling you for wanting to mary someone you love and getting praised for it-

Instead I like it

you do realize that the home address of the couple was public information after it was posted already right? how is discrimination ok in one case, yet not in another? if you think that discrimination is ok in this case, but not others, you need to check yourself

Preach! It's comparing apples to oranges. It would be like one store getting sued after refusing to serve black people and then them retaliating by going to a black business, asking them to make a KKK cake, and then calling it discrimination when they don't. It's disgusting and not even remotely the same thing.

Because that kind of discrimination shouldn't be on any platform.

But attacking bakeries with it?

Not me. Im to fat to hate bakeries. Lmao I kinda want a cake now. One that says eat me. Or maybe just a few bran muffins.

Cheese cake is evil!! They should have warnings written on them.

She’s not discriminating against Christians if she refuses to write hateful messages. She would only be discriminating if she refused to make the Bible part of it. She said she was willing.

Same Dude

Rosie _Quinn so how come the gay couple couldn't do that. Instead they are or might already have ruined a man's life and livelihood.

Gabe King It's hard to take an insult seriously from an uneducated fuck like yourself.

Gabe King Mostly, of all the gay people I know, they are highly educated, and very good people. They have good jobs, pay their taxes, and are productive citizens who are an asset to their communities. You, probably not so much.

Gabe King That's it? That's you're big argument? You're a despicable person. What is wrong with you? Has your religion made you so hateful?

Gabe King Discrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things. The Christian bakery was sued for DISCRIMINATING against a couple for BEING GAY. They are trying to sue this bakery for refusing to put HATE SPEECH on a cake, has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO HE WAS, THEREFORE NO DISCRIMINATION. You should learn a word's definition before you scream it, hopefully you read and comprehend it this time as I've tried to simplify it as much as I can, and hopefully you'll be less ignorant because of it.

Gabe King I didn't say anything about hating anyone actually (do you even read the comments?), but I do believe religion is the main source of ignorance, as you've clearly proven. Everything I say is going in one ear and out the other so I'm done. Enjoy life in your bubble.

how can you support such a discriminatory business?

atheistsrnumber1 azucar bakery is not discriminatory they turned down a hateful cake

@@jacquelinerobinson4987 maybe in your fantasy world they don't discriminate but here in reality they did So answer the question

atheistsrnumber1 seriously you being an atheist why are you defending someone who wanted a hateful homophobic Bible cake is the better question. And they didn't refuse to make the cake itself they just refused to decorate it and told the guy he could decorate it himself.

@@jacquelinerobinson4987 you keep telling yourself those lies and homophobia it doesn't exist I'm defending the person being discriminated against why can't you answer my question is it too hard for you?

Atheist Jewish Messiah Have you read the bible? I don't think you have a clue as to what you are talking about.

Nonefor Nonny Read Lev 15:19, You are considered unclean according to the Bible while you are menstruating and anyone who touches you during that time well also become unclean, both have to ritual cleanse themselves in a mikvah were there is a flowing water. Thus I wouldn't know who's. Menstruating so to take precautions should I be able to deny all serve to women to prevent being in contact with such uncleanliness

If we were living in the desert and didn't have regular access to clean water etc...we might need to use some of the old practices or we might have different ones than we have now. This was the ceremonial custom of the Jews and some other cultures. Women also took ritual bath's at the end of the cycle and we know, in our modern day, that this promoted sexual activity during the time the woman is most ready to conceive. This would have been helpful to populate the earth...as God commanded. But those laws don't apply today. They also lived in tents and might have had to kill enemies or criminals since they didn't have prisons or hospitals to put them in. Fortunately, the seed of the Messiah was protected and He has come and Jesus fulfilled God's laws. So, we are now under the law of grace...if we want to be. We only need to receive Jesus as savior and follow Him. :D

Nonefor Nonny do you live in a world where there is only Christians. There is no we and not everyone follows your religious practices let alone are Christians.

Do you think I'm under an illusion that everyone is a Christian? Even though some are not, this doesn't change facts, in God's word, that we are living in a period of grace. Just because you don't believe something doesn't make it untrue. I speak from what I know and I promise you that when it comes to the bible I know more than most...but this is not salvation. Salvation comes from Jesus and His love for you. He loves you enough to die for you. He rose again to show He's God and this is fact...no matter if we believe it or not. On the day of judgement...everyone will believe the word of God...some to eternal enjoyment and some to eternal punishment. Jesus came so no one would have to suffer eternal punishment. Sadly, many have and will reject the gift of God...salvation through faith in Jesus. He's the lover of our soul. Ephesians 2:8-9 & John 3:16-19. Read the bible...it's great for the soul. :D

Another person's Civil Rights should never be given to the people to decide. Ever.

2 guys holding hands with a X over it is hate speech? SMDH LMAO

asb-comm-logicx . net You don't have to make things up just because you can't disagree with what I said

Kit Kat You are the homophobe if being called gay is a problem to you. If someone call me the prince of england - that wouldn't be a problem to me. You hate gay anong with the rest of us, you have been brainwashed by Hollywood & Lady Gaga.

*@Kit Kat* I'm bisexual and could care less if people think it's wrong. Religion is stupid but people have a *right* to run their businesses in accordance to their religious beliefs. If they don't like me doing hanky-panky with other men then I'll just go somewhere else and shrug it off. Maybe I just have a thick skin.

CommissarKozlov Trust me, when people call me gay I don't take it as an insult, it's actually more of a complement. I just think that free speech is abused to justify spreading hate. I have no intention of lashing out on anyone because they disagree with me but I do think that it's a dumb waste of time trying to justify hate.

Kit Kat saying homosexuality is wrong is not hate speech. When I put up the facts on why homosexuality is wrong then that is fine.

nah

@@flibbyflub8795 NO SERIOUSLY YOU NEED TO REPENT ITS NOT GOING TO END WELL IF YOU DONT! 😰

Amen 🙏