veerchasm1 here’s the problem he’s a public service he doesn’t have a right to refuse someone service for an unjustifiable reason. Edit: I take back what I said more than a year later I was wrong the baker had every right to deny service.

This is my thinking: He has a right to be a bigot, yes. And if he wants the bad PR, that's his decision. That being said, I think weddings aren't just religious ceremonies. They're legal too. Furthermore, if two Jewish people came to his shop would he still bake a cake for them?

The Legend Himself no hes a private company. It would be a public service if he was part of a government organisation

Jeff DeWitt if they align with his beliefs i think he would. In this case if they were a Jewish man and woman

+The Legend Himself yes he can, you can't force someone else to provide you a service

dandagod official that’s not how it works, religious freedom only goes as long as it isn’t violating the law. What they private business is doing here is not violating the law, however, your terroristic idea of a religion would be. It scares me that Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor both voted in favor of the couple, this is a black and white constitutionality case.

dandagod official your really a stupid person damn maybe you should just move to a different country

dandagod official someone please make this guy stfu

Joey Jeffries I think he is

dandagod official what like you?!!!

perfectly said !

Yeah that guy lack testosterone

I must agree with you.

sad to be gay cuz people like that

@@andromedaputraharyanto5420 well hes gay... sooo obviously

Booo hooooooooooo! Stop whining about it and move on you snowflake! You libtards have ruined America! Back in my day we owned slaves, but everyone just had to ruin it with their "civil war"

Punkyagogo yeah, they just seem like shit starters. They show the cake guy doing his thing...it's creating a painting on a cake. They show them doing their thing...their heads are in their computers and they are typing away furiously...like wtf? Are they just professional facebookers or something?

SquareRootOf2 Seeking justice in court is harassment? I don't personally think they have a valid case but you just seem like someone who likes to jail people just for being different. That's pretty lame..

It was them who started this campaign of harassment against this honest and helpless baker, tweeting about it, suing and arising hate against him. These people are POS that only care about themselves and their narcissism and their sexual desires imposed on other people. Of course I care when these disgusting activists try to impose their twisted worldview on others. I care a lot. Not about what they stick up their asses in private but about their hateful, fascist way to impose themselves on others, abusing the natural tolerance of honest people. There are plenty of "normal" gays that go about their business without bothering others. I don't mind about honest gays but gay activists should be dealt with like they do in Muslims countries, who are very tolerant and the religion of peace and Holy Qu'ran has humane treatment for them. Or are you one of those Slavic Islamophobes?

kyjo72682 Why should I look in the mirror? I'm not gay. You look in the mirror, Nazi islamophobe!

Punkyagogo That "sweet man" believes gay people should be denied the same rights as straight people (i.e marriage).

Harambe Jr. He truly is

sethc18769 and they ruined this guys life he lost 40 perceng of his profit as hs said and he has gotten death threats.

He is truly amazing at its perfection, it make me sad how lgbt people always ruin other people's dreams

Cakes can't be gay but they can have a gay theme cake. Also, the baker while talented should be forced to provide the same level of service and same type of service as he would to a straight couple to a homosexual couple. Now, if he does not want to make a gay themed wedding cake he should not have to.

jfsfrnd no he should not be forced to design a cake in a certain manor or incorporate a certain theme. I stated so earlier. Just because a wedding is celebrating the union of two homosexuals does not mean the wedding cake is going to have a homosexual theme to it.

They needed a Custom Wedding Cake for their wedding reception not cookies or brownies.

@@sr2291 They could have found another shop willing to make a wedding cake. Expression is not something that should be compelled. It violates the First Amendment.

@Quinntus79 Define "expression". That's the problem. Churches were invented for religious people to worship in. They don't need to worship at work. They need to do their jobs like everyone else has to.

See, that's what's disgusting. They feel this gives them the right to essentially declare war on a fellow American. It's like that line in Animal Farm: All are equal, but some are more equal than others.

@Internet Batman I do believe to this day his business is thriving, you saw how many people came to support him after the fact. “Disgusting bigot” seems to fit you best, because you think you’re so entitled that you “HAVE” to be served so much that you will go to court to force him to serve you, that’s fascism and bigotry.

@Internet Batman I have a very broad vocabulary kid. And you quite literally fit both definitions of fascism and bigotry... You’re refusal to acknowledge that is ignorant. His business is thriving because private donors have helped him with legal fees that the couple brought onto him. “Run a business is to constantly chase business away”, he wasn’t chasing them away he wanted them that’s why he offered them many alternatives, and he never did this once before so it’s clearly the couples problem, not his problem. In America we have the freedom of religion and if you’re saying that he should change his religion just because you don’t like its values is indeed fascism. “You looked like an unhinged snowflake”, says the one who is defending people who are crying about a damn cake. I mean really it’s a cake yet you’re going to bring this to COURT??!! That’s completely irrational and ridiculous. The world doesn’t evolve around you, so just because something doesn’t work out, that doesn’t mean you can throw a fit. EDIT: You say baking is the “gayest” form of cooking, that’s very derogatory, so it seems as if you’re fighting against a brick wall.

@Internet Batman Its not discrimination if you’re given alternatives, not to mention it’s his business, it’s his workplace, if you don’t like it leave, go somewhere else, find another baker, make your own cake. And if it’s okay to refuse someone service because they aren’t wearing a mask, why is it bad to give someone alternatives if they ask for something you’re uncomfortable with. It makes no sense but that’s the direction we’re heading into. If Amazon refused me service I would look for a small business who offers the same services... not bitch and cry about something as stupid as a cake. I’ve never watched Food Network, so you’d have to provide me with something where they openly express baking to be the “gayest form of cooking”. Once again the world doesn’t revolve around YOU, so if you feel hurt don’t make it another persons problem.

@Internet Batman Oh you’re right “ Oh no I can’t get a cake but I can get brownies” Boom discrimination. That’s makes no literal sense whatsoever.

Check

@@arcturus4762 I would rather have harmless racists

Harmless racists are nothing compared to violent "anti-racists" who will put you in jail for staring at them for half a second

😂😂😂😂 fr

Max77 you be discriminated and let’s see how you feel

Sadly, one has to wonder if the outcome would have been better if he had said flatly, "please get out of my store" without giving any reason.

Way to miss the point...

They didn’t go in for anything else, they went in for a wedding cake. He denied them service of buying a wedding cake because they were a same sex couple, that’s discrimination. But honestly if I were them, I just would have gone to another cake maker, wouldn’t want to give homophobe my money anyway.

jfsfrnd Nope, privately owned business. And I went there and he wouldn’t even make Halloween cakes because he disagreed. This proves that he was going off of his religious and moral beliefs. Not because he wanted to discriminate them.

Noel López yes he did he wasn’t out of cakes or didn’t have the ability to make more he literally said no

Me too

@@ryt25 Well, if it's your own business, go ahead and forbid Christians if you want to run it that way, you're right it's your choice since you own the place. I'm a Christian and I would simply go to another shop.

Same

In the same way you cannot force a racist person to be dishonest about their racist attitudes ... yes I do support the baker ...

Yes I understand but...... Everyone will still hate you...even me 😚🙃🙂🤗☺️😂

Robert Lynch It’s an independent bakery owned by him. While he denied the service of making a wedding cake (a longer, more time consuming process) for them, he did not say he wouldn’t serve them other things. “maybe he shouldn’t have signed up to be a baker” that is his right and his passion and he is holding to his beliefs. I believe he handled the situation as well as he could. smh

The bakery's tarnished reputation is the direct result of the baker's actions. When he made the decision to deny service on the basis of sexuality, he should've recognized that there would be social consequences, as society generally accepts same-sex marriage nowadays. It may be within his right to deny service to anyone, but the couple also have the right to describe the discrimination to the public.

@@Christopher-D Thai was in 2012 and it still wasn’t very accepted then. It wasn’t even legal everywhere yet. Those two guys just shouldn’t have been little pussys about it and just went somewhere else

@@spidermonkeynuts3851 You Clearly don't understand how business works I've taken business courses and his downfall was inevitable. Business is brutal, competition is everywhere and sites to rate businesses existed then. During that time gay marriage was on a rise and any smart business owner would have taken the opportunity to serve theses men in order to gain more recognition and more customers regardless of belief. His decision was gonna cripple his business whether he liked it or not because people talk, the word would have spread and the business would have been viewed negatively in society. A smart business owner would set their beliefs and political views aside in order to appeal to the masses and to keep their business open as well as make profit, the more people they please the better regardless of how they feel about it.

@@rafaelmartinez-gb3wr A smart business owner would have recognized that serving the gay couple would probably be more benefitial in the long term. But it doesn't mean he would have done so if he also had principles whom he'd put above financial interests. Small businesses aren't exactly the same as Tesco or Wallmart, they aren't fully driven by profit, in the case of a bakery especially, bakers often work out of passion rather than a wish for financial gain.

Apparently the baker has no decision - the state commission decided for him which ended closing his wedding cake line. On the other hand the SC decided to rule for the this baker. As for other business owner, be careful not to deny service to anyone.

+M Tabin yeah ..you own a store.. two scumbags come in.. you know they will cause trouble most likely.. but you cant deny them right

"My bakery... my choice", alot better than "my body... my choice".

The saying "my body my choice" forgets to take the body and choice of the fetus into consideration though.

Same logic as refusing to bake for someone because they're black

Wondering if a gay bakery would make a Christian cake...

@@girlnotoftheworld2008 I'm willing to bet many wouldn't have, but now that this happened some might change their mind to seem less bias

*their

Equality is treating everyone equally, so a Jewish cake shop WOULD make a Jesus cake. A Muslim cake shop WOULD for whatever reason draw a woman on your cake. Those two religions both believe in being human. Being humans means you treat people kindly, fairly, and with respect (for the record so does Christianity).

SLSLSKSKKSKSDBANDJJS JESUS WAS JEWISH IM SCREAMING BAHAHAHAH

Other reasons such as what?

There are no religious beliefs here

@@teamtundra2619 in the gay ppl, of course not

Bullies!!!!

lol oh wow... spare me honey.

Captain Gaming why not

Maroon Horizon because this country’s liberals are Muslim sympathisers

Captain Gaming Corey would have put rocks in the cake

Youre a moron...but because your grammar sucks

Captain Gaming thank you 🙏🏻

Well, really, it's all because they didn't get their way in a world/bubble that tells them how special they are.

austin mattingly The baker made all the wrong choices. Don’t blame others for your own choices and their repercussions

@@mylifepostpain3705 Your name says it all. How's the knifing over there? You fools banned guns now people are stabbing everyone. Up over 1000% and i'm sure you see it all over the news. Your area is so shite you need to worry about your own godless country.

It's not even rude. It's entitled.

G A says the man whose from a country where a mass shooting happens literally every week. Yes we have a knife problem, which is actually getting better due to new laws passed two weeks ago. Where as Donald Duck in the White House thinks it’s still too premature to talk about gun control. How many people need to die before Americans pull their fingers out of their asses and actually do something about it?!

Facts

Me too. If only I'd known about this place when I last went up there

Same

He lost a court case recently. You should go read why.

Same

Maclane Tane I like this

Ryan Richards i'm an atheist but your comment is very rude even to me. If transgenders have the right to BELIEVE they are what they claim to be, then this man also has the right to believe what he wants to. Since when the right to believe in something becomes so "cruel"?

@Ryan Richards I have never been taught or had enough close feeling to any religion to become its believer. But I don't hate religion. I just base on my common sense here, the baker didn't refuse to bake any other types of cake for the couple, just not a wedding cake. He also sincerely explained his reason. I mean he didn't be disrepectful or curse them. So the couple could have just gone to another bakery, they didn't have to go this far. If they felt offended, maybe just think differently? Just think that the reason he refused to serve comes from him, not from them and move to another bakery. He's the one who lost profit anyway. I have seen some owners refuse to serve customers with reason "I'm not in good mood" LOL

I’m not exactly sure who all y’all are but this fighting needs to stop. @RyanRichards just because you hate Christianity because it goes against what you think is right does not mean you need attack us. You can hate God’s rules all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that those rules are still there. Everything we do is a sin unless it is worshiping God because it is all vain. God gets to save who he wants whenever he wants so technically this gay couple could be saved in the end because are sins are all equal. Nevertheless tho this is our religion and if the gay couple can have the same rights to what they think is right then so do we. So could you plz stop telling us that we need to die and so does our religion. I didn’t mean to start a fight y’all so plz don’t attack me, I just don’t want y’all to keep fighting.

@Snached yea he seems like a perv. I’m rlly srry that he said those disgusting things to you!

The fuck is a bigot anyway? Like what's it even mean.

@@greysonG10 "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions." Nowadays people put the "bigot" label on others who don't agree with them on controversial topics. An example would be not agreeing with / not supporting LGBTQASDFASDFASDF+

cameron crayton I think not agreeing with someone's existence or rights is plenty bigoted so the baker is a bigot. He can pretend and say " ohhh I'm so niceeee to gay people " but do you really think he voted for gay rights?

@@theneverone Not supporting something you don't believe in/agree with is not the same as being intolerant. I think the baker is more worried about being allowed to run his business in alignment with his religious beliefs rather than fighting against the gay couple and their rights.

Jackson G But his religious beliefs are harmful

Thanks to them, Trump is banned on Twitter and Facebook though 🤣

​@@anthonyg9197not anymore 😂

That went out the window back during the Civil rights era when it turns out you actually cannot refuse service to anyone on the basis of race, ethnicity or sex.

tanner peatson nemo me impune lacessit

You can't legally refuse someone for their race, religion or sex and in Colorado you can't do it to people who are gay

Tanner Peatson what are you mad about tanner

Tanner Peatson you got some problems dude, beyond your syntax and construction of a sentence.

lol yes that's what I thought

And he didn't say he wouldn't serve lgbtq people. He just says he wouldn't bake a cake celebrating their union. You wouldn't go into a muslim restraunt and order pork.

Derek Hansin They dont want other bakerys they want this one becouse its a Christian one

The shouldn’t have to tho.

Eurovision Fan tv that's bullshit, grow up. Stop throwing a fit and go somewhere else.

justin holmes what if a black person wanting a cake and he denied a black person the cake because of his religion it is not okay he should just bake the cake god doesn’t hate anyone

Eurovision Fan tv but that wasn't the issue, those are two separate issues.

Your local redhead feminist He didn’t apologise

London Girl Yeah he did. He said multiple times that he was sorry

@@melwin5574 He didn't apologise because he doesn't need to, he just said that it's not like he's enjoying refusing to do cakes.

@Your local redhead feminist Over 42 million Americans (13% of total population) believe it's "always wrong" for two people of a different race to marry, many for religious reasons. Do you support a baker's right to bake wedding cakes for couples of the same race, but to refuse them to interracial couples?

Derek Williams It’s his rights. I would serve anyone if I was a baker but I could see why he wouldn’t because of his religious beliefs. I think he should have he right to deny service to anyone as long as he has a valid reason for example religion.

I’ve met him before he seems to stand up for what he believes even when it’s looked down in. Nice dude too.

victory victory i do in my boutiqe! i don’t allow christians my products

@@ryt25 You can't deny someone product just because they are Christian. Maybe if they asked you to make a product for their church or Christian event, sure you could deny that. But if they just want product, you can't deny it because of their religion

@@sudeepjoseph69 its a private business

@@oldmanjenkins9230 That doesn’t matter. You can’t discriminate based on race, religion, ethnicity, or sex

@Mason Koski Yes, thank you for being civilized. We as human beings have to know we can respect each other even though we disagree on things.

Either you're just saying your queer to get attention or you actually are... either way, this is segregation... and the same laws that protect the baker also.... 1) Allow doctors to refuse medical care to LGBTQ+ people 2) Allow religious institutions to fire queer people just because of their orientation/identity 3) Protect religious based adoption agencies when they deny services to same sex couples while still demanding that those same people pay their salaries (as many are tax payer funded) ... I could go on and on and on. If you really are who you say you are, why would you want to protect religious privilege before protecting so many people's livelihoods?

@@KeilyShhh No I'am Non-Binary and Pansexual, but it's actually not, and to break down what you said. You shouldn't be a doctor if you're not going to treat everyone, if religious institutions want to be hateful then the public will decide weather or not to take part with them, and religious based adoption agencies should frankly not exist. Anything that is taxpayer funded should 100% treat people equally regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. But here's the thing, if that baker was forced to make a cake that goes against his religious beliefs for an LGBTQ+ Couple, that would also samely apply to an LGBTQ+ Baker being forced to make a homophobic cake despite being Episcopalian or Unitarian Universalist or Presbyterian or some other LGBTQ+ accepting church and having those beliefs. The script can be flipped in a lot of unfortunate ways, and I know if I owned my own business I would not want to be forced to serve someone hateful, and I don't think this man should be told who we can or can't serve. Honestly I think business should be required to post that in the window so we know what kind of places we're spending our money at and weather or not they care about us or not. But no, must of what you mentioned, that can have an extremely valid argument for why that shouldn't be in place and doesn't "go against someones religious protections" cause it does harm the public overall, but this cake thing, it doesn't, and I think of how if he court hadn't sided with the baker, how this could be weaponized, and that's honestly more terrifying.

@@sunnyboi2461 Okay, I'm sorry for accusing you of lying about your orientation and identity. And I do hear what you're saying and yes, there is nuance in this debate. But first of all, saying that it's wrong for doctors to deny care because to those they are prejudice against doesn't change the fact that it happens and that it's perfectly legal. It doesn't change the fact that people who need medical care are being forced to look elsewhere (sometimes even in emergency situations). And yes, faith-based child care services should not exist... That doesn't change the fact that they do exist and that reform needs to happen so that queer people don't have to pay for services that they are being denied. My big question/point is this: 1) I hear your point that concerns freedom of speech. One thing I would say though is that if someone denies services to one individual that they ALSO deny to EVERYONE ELSE, that is very different than denying services to someone that you DO provide to other people. For example, someone who bakes wedding cakes for straight couples but denies the exact same service to LGBQ+ folks. In the latter example, it's the queer individuals that are being denied services rather than the baker simply using their own discretion. 2) When the same laws that protect artists from denying services to us queer folks ALSO protects anyone who denies essential services/employment to us... can you tell me how you would neatly make it so that under absolutely NO circumstances are we denied services that will hurt our livelihoods? 3) And when businesses can post notes in their windows that tell queer people "You are not welcome here" or "Go somewhere where you are welcome"... that's segregation. It was segregation when it applied to people of color and is no different than when it's directed towards us. I'd quote MLK Jr. when he said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". I know it's just a freaking cake but there's more to it than just that.

@@KeilyShhh there's obviously more to this then it just being a cake. And no kidding, it doesn't the change facts all those things currently exist, that's why I'm glad I live in California where those things thankfully don't exist and with my work in politics, work to elect people to help try and fix those problems in this country. And I'll be honest, personally, I sort of agree that any private business should have the ability to serve or not serve whomever they want too, I mean we protect hate speech in this country, and if people want to be racist or sexist or homophobic then air those feelings out to everyone so we know where too or not too spend our money. And to your question of how to make sure that those laws that might protect those things don't interfere with people being denied essential services or civil rights or anything of that nature. If your part of a company, that is getting any sort of funds from the government, then you should be required to have to follow anti-discrimination laws, and that includes any places with SBA Loans or Govt Subsidies or a Federal Contract. Like I'd feel that would be the only way to get any sort of version of The Equality Act passed and have some protections at least when it comes to public services and those kinds of things you talked about.

They wouldn't go to a Muslim bakery. Because they wouldn't have been as polite to them

I am also bi and i agree with you. It wasn't fair to the baker. The two guy shouldn't have taken it that far. There was honestly no need for all this drama. Just go to another baker, there are plenty of them out there who would happily oblige. The baker doesn't deserve all this hate. I feel bad for his small business that was destroyed because of this situation.

Bisexual !😲 poor soul

Pasta Zi Bearlid He actually ended up fine after the trial thankfully because he was allowed to start selling wedding cakes again and choose who to make them for. :) But I agree. They made such a big deal out of it. Just go to a different baker! They really just needed everyone to accommodate their choice.

Dan Shivers That’s very hypocritical to say because the lgbt will only defend people who are in the lgbt not everybody, do you realize that people all over the world gets discriminated every day and none of the lgbt makes any noise to defend them, where was the lgbt when 10 Christians were decapitated by isis simply for no denying God? where were the lgbt when many african american Christians woman , men even childrens were burned alive just for being Christian? Where were the lgbt when the Christian church were killed with a rifle? Where is the lgbt when schools discriminate childrens for being black, but when their was killings in a gay club in orlando that’s when the lgbt start showing support and protest.

Dan Shivers lgbt community being around for many years what haven’t they done anything yet? I mean if you would start thinking in defending and stand up for everybody wouldn’t you start doing it after you thought about ? Even if you don’t want to accept it just face it that they did this just because he is a Christian that doesn’t support the lgbt because even you agree with me that people get discriminated everyday and they don’t do nothing about it.

@Quint Zed that's your opinion and that's completely fine..... But he should not be forced to abide by that

@Quint Zed I understand it's your opinion

I wouldn't respect them regardless.

Oh that's ok I don't judge unlike gays

It'sMeHere Yo The use of religion to kill LGBT+ people is why we generally don't blindly respect religious beliefs. It is dangerous to let people going about hating us because one day I could be beaten on the street because I choose to wear my rainbow shirt on the wrong day. Your " beliefs " hurt people my refusal to respect religion blindly hurts no one.

Well if you're walking on a public street that is a different story if you're wearing that on my property then that's a different story

It'sMeHere Yo So you are openly stating you would abuse someone for wearing a pride shirt provided they are on your property? Oh and don't try " it's my property and legally I can " If you beat up a 13 year old trying to get their basketball that accidentally rolled on your lawn If you abused a client you invited to your home If you shot your neighbor's dog for going on your lawn You know people would get furious with you. You are a bad person honestly

>The baker is an adult and makes his own choices. So is the couple, who believed that being a good human is to force their beliefs in other people's throat, instead of going to another shop.

But sexuality and race aren't really the same thing.

People often say they are when arguing against religious freedom.

Parents are being undermined on all sides- Society, public school, sports, peer pressure etc. Parents can do their best to provide, be involved & still lose the battle as the kids hear the "sirens" drawing them down a dark road. At the end of the day, kids choose to be & do, regardless of upbringing. I know this bc I was a foster kid for almost 8 yrs of childhood. I decided for myself what type of person I wanted to be- with the help of Almighy God.

How immature adults behave when they have been told no. A type of tantrum if you ask me. As a woman, I have seen females getting into witchcraft because they want their way. I pray to God for maturity in our earth.

If a baker refuses to sell his cake for religious reasons to black couple because he thinks that black people shouldn't have any rights, would you be OK with that?

@@goranmilic442What religion believes that

@@uai6107 Christians in 19th century Southern USA believed that. Maybe those beliefs weren't really aligned with what Bible actually said, but they generally believed that, based on the myth of Noah and his sons. Since their religious beliefs were that black people shouldn't have any rights, should they be allowed to refuse to sell a cake to black couple? Yes or no?

@@goranmilic442 no

@@goranmilic442 Christianity does not state the hatred of black people. So youre wrong

Danielle Adair lmaoooo 😂 You’re the definition of ignorant.

It’s sad how not a lot of people stood up for him

Hes currently going through his third lawsuit. This time its a transgender cake. The state and some members of the lgbt are clearly harassing the man

Jordan Lynch really?? Yeah wow they clearly have it out for him

@@enigma2297 this is harrassment.

You need to watch the whole video. They only ruled on the court being hostile to the baker. They didn't say he could discriminate!

kleyton rossi wrong Christians are finally losing to gays the united states just legalized gay marriage across the united states. And Ireland legalized gay marriage gays 2 Christians 1 so who is losing the war

Charles F well this “war” was about the freedom of religion beliefs... what you are talking about is something different. It’s a different war and honestly most people don’t care... the thing is to recognize the religious freedom that Christians have and don’t force us to do something that we believe is not right.

kleyton rossi first of the baker had absolutely no right to use his business as a platform to spread his hate based on his relgous beliefs and the supreme court failed to see that and it should have been 7-0 in favor of the gay couple as a message his business practice was unethical

Charles F how was he spreading hate??? This man would’ve sold them cupcakes, brownies and etc. he just didn’t do cakes because it’s a form of art. His art is created for a man and a woman. Why don’t you guys get that?!? In the video, no form of hate was shown by him. Hate came from the LGBT people who were trying to force him to bake something that went against his religious belief. I’m surprised that people have yet to know that us Christians are against hate

Do u also agree with jim crow

​@subhojitdas264 jim crow was government-enforced discrimination, not government-permitted descrimination. They are worlds apart

You're just a kiss ass to society because you hate yourself and to blend in.

jfsfrnd I think you're missing the point lmao, it's not about hitler it's about forcing someone to make a msg they don't believe in

thats part of it yeah, if the service in question forces the laborer to write something he or she dont wanna write lmao

remember the baker was requested to bake a cake that said "i support gay marriage" or some shit like that. That's compelled speech lol

O fuk, i stand corrected. Still, I agree with the decision tho, the supreme court's logic is pretty sound. Read here: www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado-gay-marriage-cake-supreme-court/index.html

Kings**

Louie Salvador they both want to eat that dick, they’re drama QUEENS

@@marcuslea6821 LMAO

Well when men are acting like women what did you expect lol. They should’ve went somewhere else there are plenty of gay bakers.

Yeah no that’s discrimination at its worst . It’s disgusting that this still goes on . Humanity is so disappointing .

*bigot soldier

@@udhav423 heretic

Allah Akbar

@@ILoveLuhaidan repent

@@hellohowareyou7495 I am muslim, Jesus is the prophet of god

It's a slippery slope. For example I support Jack's right to not make a wedding cake because that goes against his religious beliefs. But if he didn't want to make them lets say a birthday cake or anything else because they're gay I wouldn't support that. Do you think a business should be able to turn away black people just for being black or chinese people for being chinese? Just because it's a private business?

@@jsilva7005 that my friend is the free market. He turns away someone for being black he will lose money because of the couple he turned away and the people the couple told. However he should have the right to do whatever he wants. It's in his interest to not turn them away. There is more then 1 cake business out there.

@@jsilva7005 he didn't refuse service just a wedding cake you cant apply that to race

@@jsilva7005 Would any homosexual baker bake a cake with "homosexuality is a sin" ?

@@jsilva7005 should an Israeli baker be forced to make a cake to a Palestinian?

But he is not even factoring in it is THEIR wedding. Not his.

theQuestion626 understand that by doing the cake for them he is being part of it, he helped with the wedding by doing that. Example is like if a person ask me money for beer and I give him money then i’m responsible on why that person bought beers.

theQuestion626 exactly, which is why he doesn’t have to be involved if he chooses not to.

That baker is gonna shit himself when he hears what Jesus had to say about capitalism.

CAT DURGS “a wedding should be between a man and a woman” quote the bakery owner dude NO SHIT THEY WOULD CURSE BECAUSE HE JUST FUCKING GAVE THE A LESSON ABOUT HOW MARRIAGE SHOULD BE LIKE WHEN THEY DONT FIT INTO THE “REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE” so how would they not be offended they just wanted a cake

You're my new best friend

@@JavaughnAnderson haha, thanks 😅

Yes it was a set up by the devil, there's plenty more persecution to come for christians....beware ppl exalt the KING OF KINGS.

fast cash 6:00

@@lodestar9877 The gays are fighting a voice in their head that says stop but they keep going I think.

Bad karma coming to those gay men for messing with a guy trying to follow his beliefs.

Beliefs differ and it’s his business. He built it and can choose to deny his customers. He’s the one losing money at the end of the day. This was just done for attention and you can’t deny that after how much it of it it’s gotten.

That's not really what happened.. he discriminated against them based upon his own subjective beliefs.. that's wrong.. the conservative-leaning Supreme Court got it wrong

The Jock, what so aren’t the gay couple all about “equality” and “freedom of speech”? They are taking that exact thing away from the man. He refused to make them a cake because of his religion in a country where you have freedom of speech. The hypocrisy is real from the gay couple.

@@Aqixtez that's not material to the complaint. in this country, if you offer a service to the public, you can't be selective over who receives that service.. That violates someone civil liberties.. the Supreme Court knows that, that's why they made such a narrow ruling..

The Jock, “such a narrow ruling”. Yet they were still in favour of the Baker. If it were such a huge issue and if the gay couple did have a valid argument they would’ve won. Yet I don’t see them celebrating. No point in arguing if the legal system has gone in favour of the baker.

@@Aqixtez actually, if you review the case, they didn't really favor the baker.. they found fault in the review process from the state of Colorado's civil rights division.. regardless, it was an arbitrary decision..

avader5 Maybe the couple actually identify as Christians and so feel betrayed by their own religion

@@mylifepostpain3705 well why tho, have they seen Leviticus 18:22

@@mylifepostpain3705 Christians who practice Homosexuality?!! Get educated Sweety

Vladimir K I am very well educated. It is possible to be Christian and gay as well. I have a few friends who are both. Or do you think that it’s okay to deny gay people the right to religious freedom? (The very thing you are fighting for for this man)

​London Girl "Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God" . (Corinthians 6:9-10). Lady, your friends are either lying to themselves or they don't know better. Here is more "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination"(Leviticus 18:22). You cannot be gay and christian, in this case you either dishonest or misinformed.

He is trash and must be shut down for good and canceled

He did not win in the end. The Colorado Commission made disparaging comments about Jack and his religion so they threw the case out and made a narrow decision only for the baker and only for this one time.

T G was it equality when businesses refused to serve African Americans? Was that fair? If we give the right for a business to deny service towards anyone, we give the right for all businesses to deny service to any group they choose.

Henry Sendra Yes...When said African Americans cause a disruption, they can be asked to leave. I’ve done it several times. It’s not my fault if your presence causes a disturbance. If you bring down my business, I’m kicking your ass out. If you stole my hat, I can kick you out of my store. If you decide to mock my religion by pretending to have a ceremony I find sacred, Well we all know where this headed.

kimmie Wise I was mentioning innocent people who just wanted to be served. It was completely unfair to not allow them service based on their skin tone. Also, gay people aren’t pretending to have marriage, they are legally getting married, and there’s nothing you can do to stop them from doing so other than blind violence.

Jane Doe I agree it’s harmful when anyone is mistreated when trying to be a patron of a restaurant or store, and I can sort of see where the baker is coming from with the wedding cake, it still doesn’t make much sense to me that we can allow an public shop to pick and choose which people are allowed to purchase which items. I also appreciate your civility in your replies to my comment. Thank you.

Henry Sendra I believe a business has a right to refuse to anyone for any reason... just say nothing at all and don’t serve who you don’t want keep your mouth shut ask them to leave and move on avoid any problwms

Rage He would serve them he just won’t make a Cake for gay marriage

The awkward moment when your stupidity was put on display, for all to see, yet you are too stupid to notice.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Oooooh

andyiswonderful that awkward moment when you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about

Lol

@janjan de vil You wouldn't want to know

vil muslimbill Muslim and amish are seen as minorities but since the shop owner was a straight white man who's a christian, it's okay to attack him apparently

New change unlisted_viewer omg shut up y’all are acting like it’s a crime to be white and a man

A Mormon restaurant probably wouldn't even sell beer

@@MASTEROFEVIL r/woosh

Can they even drink beer

@@mikey_stone06 no alcohol consumption is allowed in their religion

That’s tough

Breva Viva changing the (insert identity here) baker and (insert identity here) customer does not change this argument at all. The problem that many people seem to have in understanding this argument is in distinguishing what they believe is morally just and what the government can actually have prescedence over. This is less of a freedom of religion argument and more of a freedom of association one. This is understood once you see that the government should NEVER be allowed to force a private business "at gun point" (which is what would have occured if the supreme court had ruled in favor of the homosexual couple) to sell there products or services to anyone regardless of race, identity, sexuality, etc. This is due to the fact that a private sell must have both the consent of the one offering the product as well as the one purchasing. Personally, I agree that it is morally wrong to discriminate which is why I would never purchase products from someone who does. Luckily, I have this right due to the most durable and just document presented in any society, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I do like your passion for the truth though! Sadly, there seems to be a lack there of lately :)

Breva Viva oooo I like that thought. And pertaining to this argument, its a good way to get people to (hopefully) break from a narrow point of view to see a bigger picture here.

Breva Viva The Baker isn't discriminating general service based on personal attributes - it is different - it is a specially made product being requested (& in this case DEMANDED). For Gay Bakers, of course the same rule should apply. It is EXACTLY the same & as wrong as FORCING a Vegan Artist to make a Sculpture especially to celebrate the Meat Industry? I am becoming Vegan & wouldn't want that. I don't think you would want to be forced to support something your against either (unless you freely signed a Contract as a paid employee, not a customer). It's exactly the same as the gay wedding couple forcing their values on others: buy a generic cake that he already made and use that to celebrate your party. The baker had took no issue with that. IMO, it is unethical to FORCE others to support my philosophy or ideology by FORCING them to put their artistic work into it. That's why I'm on the Left but don't support the Left: they often want double standards & to be given special treatment, and are willing to treat others baldy to do it. And they want to Force themselves onto others all the time. That is different from standing up for oneself, where others are forcing themselves upon me.

The Mushy Brain Mushy brain indeed

Breva Viva No they shouldn’t be allowed to deny service based upon unproven beliefs.

Tommy Ferrigno as a gay republican you need to learn the law. You can’t tell a woman “you can have anything in my store but not this one thing” because that’s discrimination. In states where you can’t discriminate against gay people you can’t say “have anything in my store but this one thing that’s only for straights”. That’s discrimination and no business has the right to refuse service to people because of their sex, race, religion and in states like Colorado Sexuality. He broke the law and the couple had every right to sue him

but you can denied service to anyone for whatever reasons. You can't go to a fancy restaurant dressed like hobo.

@@Lucky210309 you need to pull your head out of your ass and stop listening to Hillary. If he doesn't want to do based on religious beliefs go somewhere else! If doesn't want to take money that's his issue. You need to not be a fucking snowflake grow some balls and suck it up, not everyone in life will agree with and that is what makes the world go around. If you cannot handle that go to your safe space

@@Topofthelinetommy These entitled punks embarrass me as a gay person.

@@Lucky210309 it's his to decide... Not yours

What a legend 👌🏼

That’s what should happen. He should sell wedding cakes to everyone or no one

Robron He didn’t refuse to make them a cake 🤦‍♂️

@@Lucky210309 it's his right to refuse service. The guy isn't even homophobic he refuses to make cakes that represent homosexuality and anti-homosexuality

Zoro Agario he refused to make them a wedding cake he sells to other people. That's refusing service.

He got targeted by the Satanic Temple still, and they told bakers to make cakes for Satan. Obviously, this doesn't work in his case because he doesn't make wedding cakes anymore, asking him to make a cake for Satan would desecrate his religion. That's like asking a Jew to make a Nazi cake. The Satanic Temple can say whatever they want about fighting for religious freedom, but they are not a religion, it is an anti-Christian advocacy group comprised of I assume all Atheists. People can be really evil in this world.

God will reward him for his stand.

Tannar Mathers His beliefs are oppressive though where as ours are liberating

London Girl oh yeah it’s super liberating to force a Christian to bake a “gay themed” cake. LGBT community will never be taken seriously because of you hypocritical sjw’s. This couple wasn’t treated as second class citizens or denied basic civil rights because a baker refused a wedding cake, and even offered them other deserts to sell them. This was nothing but harmful for the community, because of how negligent the entire situation was. Focus on the big picture and real cases of discrimination.

LemonCoconut If you actually watch the video he refused them before they could even discuss the theme of the wedding cake so to say he refused a gay themed cake is incorrect.

LemonCoconut If you actually watch the video he refused them before they could even discuss the theme of the wedding cake so to say he refused a gay themed cake is incorrect. This guy refused them a wedding cake because they are gay and that’s wrong regardless of whether he likes gay marriage or not. He needs to keep his personal opinions out of business. Ever heard of the saying it’s not personal it’s business? It directly applies here

London Girl If he has to design the cake with both their names, which was definitely going to happen, Then that alone was enough to make it artistic, and all these guy’s wedding cakes are complex feats, not just Some basic cake.

Ryoma The Lobster Lord they wanted to stir up trouble

They are so into them selves

Nowadays we gotta bend over for these people

Do you say that to an interrcial couple, if a baker doesn't approve of marriage between the races? Over 40 million Americans still believe God opposes miscegenation. And what if it's. one-horse town with only one bakery, and it's a 140 mile drive to the next, and THEY don't serve gays or blacks either?

@@africaisacontinent2149 For wanting fair and equal treatment? I hardly think so. The baker broke the law.

Someone did commission him to make a cake for Satan with an upsidedown-cross on it. I think this was merely out of spite of him being a Christian baker and standing firm by his beliefs.

I'm also an atheist and I 100% agree with you. I am also okay with gay people getting married (honestly because I don't really give a shit what people do), so both people the right and the left give me shit. If this was a Muslim baker I would be saying the same thing. I am in support of everyone's right to believe whatever they want, I just do not want: 1. Laws based off of religion 2. Anyone's beliefs shoved down my kid's throat People need to lighten up...

@@lancec7027 Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV) 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV) 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

@@dwayneoneil689 Quoting your religious book is not really making a point. Watch, I'll give an example: Luke 19:26-27 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” Jesus sounded like a dick (but in the end, this is a book of fiction). Even though I was in support of this guy's (the baker) right to his beliefs (and everyone else's for that matter) you decide to push your faith on someone you don' know (and attempt to insult them by doing so). How "Christian" of you...

It’s his business

@jfsfrnd the gay couple could just go to another store... but no!!! They play the victim card instead... shitty bitches... fuck the SJW's as well... sending death threat wont make u look good idiots... yeah, its not just a cake, for both sides, the baker made those cakes as arts, religious expressions related... if they want to make such statement, look at both sides... bunch of snowflakes...😒

@@legion3964 yes I agree

@legion396 Yes but his business is regulated by Colorado law.

@@sr2291 so what

@Crazy melon ! Like if a goverment discriminated against a baker for his religious beliefs? Discrimination is a necessary part of life. You only disagree with discrimination when it involves a group you are politically affliated with. Grow up.

@Crazy melon ! You can not even put a coherent sentence together. Your lack of appropriate punctuation demonstrates you have the IQ of a turnip. The state threatened to prosecute him if he didn't bake the cake. Even after he won his lawsuit the state continued to harass him. You have no idea what you are talking about. The First Amendment was explicitly written to protect religious people.

@Crazy melon ! Being "hurt" is irrelevant. Citizens have the right to worship God as they see fit. You have a first amendment right. You have no right to force someone to make you a cake. These assholes tried to FORCE a guy to bake them a cake that was in direct contridiction to his religious beliefs. Not only that, they used the government to do it. Screw them theu are evil people.

Next time wear the mask to hide your identity and they will serve u

Hahah exactly!

That is not illegal because you weren't being discriminated against.

@@DerekWilliamsMusic bro. nobody was discriminated against.

@@kerstin7133 Not in the hospital analogy given by the OP, but in the bakery case, the gay couple WERE discriminated against.

Are the rights of the luncheonette owners who refused to serve blacks more important than the feelings of the blacks who were refused service? If you were educated in the United States and born after 1980, it is no surprise that you were never taught anything about how public accommodation laws came into being. However, it is a bit disheartening that you don't seem to think all categories of Americans should be treated equal.

​@@schuylkillmike8048 you're a dumb fuck who actually needs to read the cases and decisions about this baker The guy will serve anyone, gay, straight, trans, black, white, asian at his bakery BUT when it comes to the art on the cake he will not craft art which disagrees with his religious beliefs. This is not at all a denial of service case, if you read the case notes, because he never said he wouldn't serve certain people, just that he will not create art with certain messages; because of his religious beliefs he won't even make Halloween Themed Cakes. And that should be the right of any artist.

@QTee It is the closest comparison in laws protecting people from discrimination for immutable traits.

@O K No one is using blacks as a stepping stone, my overly-sensitive friend. It a comparison of minority groups with immutable traits guaranteed equal service under the law. If you don't want blacks refused service because of their immutable traits, then you can't justify discrimination against another minority group for their immutable traits.

@@johnnybravo5962 Clearly you are not as familiar with the SCOTUS case as you think. I suggest you actually read the SCOTUS hearing transcript and ruling. The Baker refused to sell the gay couple the same product/services that he sold to non-gays. That's like telling a black couple they can't have lunch at the counter, but can pick up some chewing gum through the take-out window. The baker sold wedding cakes to everyone EXCEPT gay couples. The baker now has a better understanding of the Colorado laws that his business must follow, and he no longer makes wedding cakes for anyone.

Religion is a choise being gay is not but its hard to debate because ether side wins

@@Nightcre Buying a cake is a choice,

@@Nightcre they could have gone to another vake store

Angeleyez cosmetics you do realize the couple THEMSELVES could be devoutly Christian? In which case the baker and the couple would share the same religious beliefs. I can tell you, the majority of homosexuals are not atheists. Additionally, you could argue this back and forth all day. “They want the baker to accept them but they don’t accept the baker’s beliefs”. People in opposition of that could just say “the baker wants them to accept his beliefs, yet he won’t accept them”. You make a weak case for perpetuating discrimination. Almost as shallow an argument as those advising them to just “go to another bakery”. Well, since refusing certain services to them is ok for this bakery, what if every store was run by someone who shared this man’s beliefs? (you’d find some in the south). Then they’d have no where to go. Why rely on people to individually chose whether their business implements discriminatory policies or not? If your views impede the services people should otherwise be entitled to, perhaps business practices actually should be a bit more regulated. Dumb business move on his part, anyway. The practice of selling commodities should transcend all bias and focus solely on products and profit. I mean, where do you draw the line? The baker stated he’d sell them anything but a cake, since cake was a symbol of their marriage, but what if the couple asserted they would instead purchase a mound of brownies and substitute their wedding cake for that. Would he still have sold them to the couple? Had they come back to that place to have a nice dessert on their honeymoon, and clearly made the baker aware of the occasion, would they still have been served then? Sure, I’m against murder, but say I owned a hardware store and an individual walked in aiming to purchase some of my most expensive gardening tools, doing so respectfully and fairly, but he happened to be a murderer, I would sell them to him anyway, not allowing my personal bias to hinder my sale of goods and the fulfillment of his needs. Now of course, if he intended to use these tools maliciously I would be personally obliged not to sell them to him, since the consequences of doing so would be the injury or death of another person, but in the context of this video, no one was going to potentially suffer as a result of selling the couple a cake. So, despite being against murder, just as I would sell the gardening tools to a person who had once killed and now wishes to tend to his garden, what is right for a business is objectiveness and if a couple walks in wishing to buy a cake, unless they were planning to light candles atop the frosting and burn down a church with it, I believe in selling it to them regardless of personal bias since morality is arbitrary and subjective and should not play a part in running a business.

It is called the law, stupid.

Andrews Random Day Is there any video of the actual incident in question? If not I’m just wondering why we are just blindly taking the bakers words as 100% truth and assuming that the gay couple are lying or just trying to bring problems to this baker.

@@mylifepostpain3705 I do not know if they cursed at him but in the post they made on Facebook which they show in the video. It is very clear that they want as much hatred toward the baker and his bakery as possible otherwise they wouldn't ask for it. I do not think discrimination is right, but the reality of this situation is that no one was hurt and the reason for his discrimination of gay couples wanting wedding cakes was very specific and reasonable. He will serve them, he just won't serve them a wedding cake because of religious reasons. If this was about a doctor and not getting medical attention or something like that, then yes that is absolutely without a doubt wrong. But that just isn't the case here.

Andrews Random Day Well we have very different opinions on the meaning of the word reasonable. As an atheist I believe that we should all treat eachother as we would want to be treated. Aka, if he wouldn’t want to walk into a bakery and be denied service because he’s a Christian then he shouldn’t deny service to other innocent groups of people.

@@mylifepostpain3705 I do not know if he would be a hypocrite in that sense but I would feel that is fair. If I am a Christian and deny a wedding cake to someone because of their choice, then someone doing the same to me because I am a Christian seems pretty "reasonable" to me.

Andrews Random Day this wasn't an accident. They knew he was Christian and went into the place because of that fact. They went into to further their own agenda.

C Brown Or start your own business.

I'm so thankful that Jesus suffered on the cross so a baker didn't have to make a cake! Phew...all that pain and suffering for a cake was worth it...PS more then 50% of Americans are in poverty...better blame the gays for that one too! They don't deserve cake.

Kumar Shresta What does Jesus have to do with anything?

Aharon Lawrence Things like this.

Fortnite Clips And you don't want to understand, nor are you asked to defend yourself. If you don't believe in God, Jesus, the Bible, fine. Your accountability.

Tdog now he is out of business karma bites

Charles F no he’s not out of business you lying sack of shit. Go fuck yourself

Cryptic Chameleon go it up

Charles F ijr.com/2018/06/1105181-jack-phillips-successful-supreme-court/ Says it's booming? Only thing hurting him from what I've read in other articles is yelp reviews.

Simply Vullgar even if its true he needs to be boycotted and his business shut down he his hypocrite

courage agbeyebiawo exactly!👍🏻

Missing the point entirely. Try again, this time, use your little bitty brain.

@@andyiswonderful what point exactly?

courage agbeyebiawo is it illegal to speak up about what they didn’t like about the bakery?

@@szaing4029 what he meant was that instead of having the government make him go against his beliefs in his private business they could've gone some other Baker

Hope the best for your marriage dude :)

I hate straights 🤢 wow it's just my OpInIOn dont get TriGGERED anyone

Elf Elfington ok but did anyone ask??

YES! Same but white

Good for you brother. You get to get married and help a fellow Christian brother out. God is going to be very proud of you both.

gay propaganda is wack

Yes he did

No he didn’t. Homophobia is so pathetic.

@@faye3861 making someone go against there religious beliefs because you want stuff to go your way dosnt work lol the lgbtq community wants freedom so bad but dosnt respect anyone else's freedom

ssizzles Maybe because religion isn’t fact. LGBT is fact.

Oh, boo hoo.

@@andyiswonderful And that's why the lgbtqia will never triumph over the people's religious freedom.

Because they are looking for WAR

No they couldn't. They wouldn't have been able to carry out their agenda if they just found another bakery. The mentality of those who seek to force their ideology onto others is to seek dissent, and then raise that dissent to their peers attention, then destroy the dissenter.

@@dapperfan44 Are you therefore ok with a baker refusing wedding services to an interracial couple if he believes, as 13% of Americans still do, that marriage between different races is against God's law?