This really has been the season of "Don't worry, we haven't forgotten this literal mountain of loose ends." The Ishtar simulation team, the Concordat, the fates of the old Fallen Houses, etc. etc.

It only took Bungie half a decade to remember the Concordant, we’re so back!

"We can't call it Lysander's Folly! We dont't want them to remember Lysander or the Concordat!" Leaves all the banners up.

Space Grandma boutta get a knock on the door from the space CIA.

This sudden reappearance of Concordat and Lysander is especially sus when you consider that the whole leadership of Vanguard is going to leave the Last City and go through the portal in to the Traveler. I think he knows what we are about to do and intends to take over the Last City while we fight The Witness.

I legit saw spider say that name and I sucked in my breath. I was NOT expecting to see that

Can’t wait for the cutscene where Eva gets arrested for tampering with evidence for painting over the Concordat paint job.

So good to see Lysander again. Gen 6 was really fun!

Maybe Lysander confused Osiris and Fellwinter, since Fellwinter wasn’t a human but a creation of Rasputin

Can’t wait for the next sparrow that tells us that he’s totally coming for real this time

Calling it now: “Lysander’s Folly” will become an exotic in a upcoming Destiny 2 Episode.

I'm usually very attentive when watching a byf video, but that skimmer gameplay was hypnotizing

With the Skimmers being so close to Cloudstrider skyboards, I wonder if the Concordat have allied with, or even settled in, Neomuna. That would explain how they were able to evade the Hidden all this time.

10:05 if lysander can get me a skimmer with, say, the ability to shoot giant arc light spears at 1200 rpm, id follow him fr

Any other 40k fans here just enjoying that there is a faction who's symbol is a fist, their leader is called Lysander, and their colours are black and green (is made using yellow). Whoever first came up with the Concordat was definitely a fan of the the Imperial Fists.

With Zavala and Ikora leaving the last city to go with us inside the Traveler, this is a very curious moment to leave this here.

Brought this up in Evazes video but something I noticed. Arms dealer and Concord have similar color profiles. What if Lysander had dealings with the cabal? The red war would’ve been a perfect opportunity

Not gonna lie, I laughed out loud when I heard Eva painted over their green paint job. I don't know why, but that amuses me.

I may not play Destiny, or game as much as I used to, but I still come back for more lore to satisfy my lore addiction.

Turns out Osiris was the protégé of a Golden Age piece of tech that was “misicarnated”Felwinter. Also Felwinter was named by a punny ghost because spring follows winter so when Felwinter went to speak his name as one of his first words and is cut off with “don’t speak, your name is Felwinter now” Felwinters lie was his name wasn’t actually Felwinter.

I had read through the lore tab and thought nothing much of it. Then I got to the end, read the word concordat and thought “wait… I know that…” looked it up and instantly remembered who they were and knew what were up against. Hopeful that we’ll see them and the remnants of the exiled factions turn up for future conflicts!

In addition to all the other oddities, Osiris drank some Nezerac tea...damn this game is weird.

could you imagine if a future expansion makes us actually fight other guardians, or at least human lightbearers? like crushing hive ghosts was one thing but damn this would be something else

It does get me thinking about a human civil war in destiny- like fighting human enemies who actually side with the concordat and Lysander. It's an interesting prospect that could be visited post the Light vs Dark story tbh.

The Dead Horse Returns to be Beaten Once More. No, but seriously, when was the last time they were mentioned again, aside from the old pvp Tower map?

also its good to note that the skimmers were probably going to be released when FS was supposed to come out. meaning that this could be a direct tease to future lore within the episodes/beyond.

With the Light and Darkness arch ending, a return of the Concordat is a pretty interesting direction to the narrative to go

One interesting thing about that, why they chose to send the skimmers to Spider in particular? Now I think they might somehow know that Spider got smuugled into the City and just kinda allowed to stay, maybe they wanted to contact him and try to get to infiltrate the City on their own, getting in in the similiar fashion?

The Osiris story seems to have been repurposed to felwinters lie so if there is a new story to be had from Lysander it's probably one of contrast as opposed to outright conflict like before.

I do have a theory, although it doesn’t have much substance, and it’s more of a feeling in my gut. It’s sort of implied that the Skimmers are some sort of reverse-engineered Cloudstrider hoverboard tech. This makes me think that if the Concordat were to be anywhere in particular, they are on Neomuna. If that’s the case, I believe that the Concordat will be involved if Bungie ever decides to spend more time with Nimbus and Neomuna in any future stories.

literally foamed at the mouth when i read the Lysander tidbits on tuesday like as a D1 vet i love seeing this old stuff get brought up again

13:49 The sad thing it's that something the now days Bungie would definitively do it, just toss something with good potential aside to focus on some loose story telling...

Quite honestly, the factions and Human groups have potential to represent how we have ironically alienated the people’s were suppose to fight for.

i like how we got skateboards out of nowhere. the ramps on neomuna make me think this was a lightfall plan that was delayed, but still super stoked!!

I sincerely hope once the Light V Dark Saga has concluded, we begin another saga with a deepening of the world that Destiny exists in, and I hope that means we pick up where we more or less left off with the Last City’s factions. It’s very clear that Destiny’s well of available plot hooks has been sparse as of late, and the best possible way to refill that well is with long dead threads and concepts that are years-forgotten or completely newer, bolder ones. An example I love pointing to is a franchise people compared Destiny to for a long time - Warframe. Warframe just 4 years ago is unrecognizable to Warframe today. There’s so many plot threads that Digital Extremes can pull on for new stories. Hell, every year Digital Extremes pulls something so uniquely fucking weird that it keeps me coming back. They’re completely unafraid of throwing shit from straight outta left field. I sincerely hope Bungie does stuff even slightly akin to DE’s approach. Just give us shit from straight outta left field. Lysander would be a good one to throw, even if only for an Episode.

there really is potential in something like how calus would bring guardians to himself with loot

"Each Guardian wants something: greater speed, a rare weapon, a secret. Learn what it is. Use it"... hearing this again, but with the current state of Destiny reminds how Bungie continues to live vicariously through its characters (intentional or not). Leading to the Final Shape, that quote from Lysander sounds like a literal business model of Bungie lol

15:43 Ly-thigh-nder

Hey man, just want to say that I love you using Skimmer footage in the background to the Lore. I would not at all be opposed to more of the same style of background video.

Lysander and I he concordat are some of my favorite pieces of destiny lore. After we got lysanders cry in destiny 1 that was my only sparrow used and stated that I stood with them.

Hopefully this does turn into a larger plot point in the future, but I dont see it happening any time soon. Since we already have a rough overview of the first 3 ep, I expect they want things to "settle" until Marathon. After that is when we'll get bigger story twists, for example I like the idea that since Dead Orbit has such a large fleet, the Concordat is feeling threatened somehow, and Lysander realizes bribing Guardians with shiny toys is easier than trying to control one of the other factions.

Super funny how the first couple hints of the Skimmer in the hints and quest title could all reasonably be taken as, "Oh, they're from Nimbus because they're based on Cloudstrider tech and Neomuni came from Earth and it used to be home." completely didn't even read any further into it at the time.

I've been waiting for this video since I read the lore tab!

This feels like a hint of things coming down the line. I don't mean in the next DLC, but in what's planned for the next big story.

Now this is interesting. Would be interesting see how much of a villain he could become post The Witness. Hell, maybe the chaos after its defeat would be the perfect time for him to strike as the next big bad! Also Byf, I know you're probably still super busy considering all that's going on in Destiny, but would you ever consider going back to Warframe at some point? Those videos of yours were some of your best, utterly golden. Would love to see them come back.

I’m always hopeful of more story lines.🤞🏼

I bet the Concordat has some type of tech that we'll need in order for Riven's wish to properly work and get us near Crow's position in the Traveler. In order to get the tech we'll have to do a bunch of missions over time.

Thanks for the great hard work.

Hyped bro thanks for the video

There was that comment about a random lone ghost in neomuna during the news broadcast. Perhaps it couldve been Lysanders as a way for him to know of these neomuna boards

Why is it always the Events that have the odd side story lore. We had guardians betting Shaxx's horn, the current hunter vanguard performing her duties by training new lights with Saint, and now The Concordat

I have literally never clicked a video so fast! The concordat! LETS GO…my clan has been named after them for years…praise Lysander! Sorry for that freak out but I have waited years for some lore! Woooo🎉

Thanks Byf. Good stuff, as always.

Hey Byf, love your channel and currently watching the Destiny Lore Playlist in it’s entirety. Was wondering if you sell merch? Clothing with your brand or anything of that sort. I think us consumers would definitely rock that Sh*t out in the world.

A Golden Age Experiment sounds a lot like Felwinter, and Osiris trained under Felwinter...

Enjoyed the skimmer game play👌

Hey Byf, I'm curious. Have you got any videos based on humanities reaction to the traveler and the direct aftermath of the whole traveller entering our system and being met on mars? I'm very curious about humanity and what they did after. Also. What was the reaction to the ghosts ressurecting the first risen? Like what was eegular humans reactions to it.

Martin REALLY likes the skimmer lol 2:53

It's funny how the lore of the class items (having Guardians argue over armor design and coloring and Eva having to play judge for Guardian Runway) is completely opposite to the lore of the Skimmer (the apparent imminent return (introduction for us) of the Concordat and Lysander).

I hope we get a season about Lysander and possibly the other factions or just one. As the season goes on they both do things to convince you to join one and not the other. Or just Lysander against the vanguard where you have to choose between them like we did with Drifter. Could also bring back exotic class items

I know there is lore for the PvP maps that I feel like doesn’t get brought up enough. Byf could make a whole video detailing that and Id watch it👀

I bet this will come up again in the episode of Heresy. Loving the shorts!

I knew you'd pick up on this!!!

This could make a good plot for an episode

I always held the faith that Lysander would pop back up eventually. I’d pay for an “Episode” with him as the big bad guy any day of the week!

You can hear suspicious NPC dialogue in the tower questioning the leadership of Zavala , the actions of the Vanguard and the fact that guardians don't even notice the presence the non guardians

Could we get a video on the lore of some PvP maps?? Listening to the lore of Bannerfall was super fun!

As to lysander ill give him an ear as its always good to hear both sides of a situation instead of being one sided and the given situation at hand we need to be united even if its baited breaths and clenched teeth

The Allstar Skimmer is noted as being very similar to Cloudstrider skyboards, and seem leagues more advanced than any Sparrows we've ever had. Cutting edge stuff. If they're gifts from the Concordat, does that mean the Concordat has been taking refuge in Neomuna for decades? Or do they perhaps have active spies in Guardian ranks who have been working in Neomuna on their behalf? Where did they make these?

Maybe this is the setup for an enemy after the witness, we'll probably have some kind of faction wars again.. maybe the next enemy will be guardians vs guardians.

I wonder if theres a connection to the drifter too. Could be totally wrong as im pseudo new to the game but some of the stuff you mentioned makes me think of him too despite how much i love the drifter

Will byf ever mention the secret room outside of the hall of champions? It's connected to the concordat and the dead orbit piles of dead ghosts and a map evem, though it doesn't say much speculations and theories are much appreciated

I like that the background footage is basically Tony Hawk: Guardian Skater 4

I had my suspensions!!! Soon as I saw odd green color I immediately thought of the concord dat

The video we were all waiting for! The return of the Concordant! 🔥🔥🔥

A guardian civil war with the factions vs the vanguard (each faction would have unique traits/fighting encounters obvs) would make for a fantastic episode (or more) in the future.

I could see Lysander coming out of the woodworks after we defeat The Witness amd go all "If I was in power all this would have been easier for all of us" and he woild syart trying to get sympathizers. Maybe even have an event were we have to choose either the concordat or the consensus and have the one with the most players stay in power. But that may be too much, specially with the obvious drop in the playerbase that will happen after The Final Shape.

Lysander gave me a hoverboard, if he starts running around campaigning I’m behind him all the way

A. I saw that lore tab and went "byf is going to go (iron) Bananas over this) B. Look, whoever got the skimmer footage, i get what you were trying to do, but god damn did those sharp constant turns make me feel sick. And not the "that's sick bro" way, sick as in "oh god I'm getting motion sickness, please help" way

The fact the the skimmer also seems to have took heavy inspiration from the Cloudstriders skyboards may hint at another possible faction that would throw in with Lysander if its the case that he's gathering all these rogue groups together, and that would be the people of Neo Muna that were forced into the Cloud Ark. Lysander may have agreed to free them in exchange for some information or technology and their alleigance

yeah, this is definitely something that we need to keep an eye on. However, I am not worried at all about what they could do because we are now close allies with the Cabal and some Eliksni. It's comforting knowing that we aren't alone in this and that we have a really powerful ally, the Cabal, by our side. If the Concordat following is as strong as they might be, we'll be fine.

"Eva may receive some punishment or penalty" I very much doubt she will, eva knows zavala and ikora quite well and they wouldn't dare punish her for what she did. She took a bribe attempt and painted over it and gave it out as a reward. She took this attempted bribe, gave it a new purpose which was to celebrate guardians. Yes the hidden and various others may get mad for allowing obviously enemy vehicles into the city and they could be boobytrapped BUT. eva has not a single evil bone in her body, she is as dedicated to helping guardians celebrate as they come. Plus zavala, ikora and eris would probably have some serious words with them for punishing their favourite cookie maker.

I think it's also interesting to find out where Bungie got the name Lysander from. Did they reference the Spartan general who destroyed the Fleet of Athens or the Imperial Fist first company commander of Warhammer 40K, who was also known for being an extremely competent military general and the leader of the first company which is usually heavy assault terminator clad warriors. Bungie rarely picks names at random and this case seems no different....and concerning.

The idea of a guardian vs guardian civil war in the city and across the system would be a great intermission story while they build a new big bad guy

i've been waiting for this video since i first read that lore tab - ngl Lysander's method of seducing guardians by appealing to their pride and greed reminds me a lot of Calus in some ways.

The strength stat has returned

Regardless, I really enjoy your sleuthing and your narrative. Thanks for bringing this to the fore! Now I'm off to repaint my skimmers green maybe ;-)

Id like to hear more on Lakshmi-2 and the FWC, I was totally sold on them until the Season of the Splicer. Lakshmi-2 was actually under the influence of Savathun so in my eyes the FWC are still innocent. I'd like to see a fresh version of them reprised.

15:43 thanks to this Lathander/Lysandre mispeak(?), I now envision Lysandre wielding the Blood of Lathander and that is terrifying.

I've always thought Devrim was Lysander. Devrim was from a long line of gunsmiths and a foundry where he continues to make weapons. He talked about being from the Last City and leaving but not saying why.

We have a concordat sparrow and now the skimmer which eva painted over the concordat colours. You think we'll get a ship, ghost, shader or maybe even an emblem next?

Love the story and the lore

15:43 Byf letting a little bit of D&D slip in to his Destiny content.

Tbh I'm just ready for whatever Rasputin/Ana Bray reveal they teased at the end of Seraph...You know, the while "Ana, look!", then a quick-cut. We havent seen or heard from Ana since... I think Rasputin either survived, or his sacrifice made him "worthy" and he got rezzed

Hidden Agents: "Miss Levante, do you have anything to say in your defense?" Eva: "Eris and Zavala must understand... we are all fighting for the same side."

My spouse made the comment a couple of months ago that with what looks like the rest of the Vanguard about to go into the Traveler in pursuit of the Witness, it's the perfect time for the Concordat to make a move on the City while everyone else is away.

Considering how Ikora wanted to wipe the Concordat from the Tower's history (as seen in promoting the name "Bannerfall" over "Lysander's Folly), I think it'd be really funny if Eva had just forgotten about the Concordat. It'd also be a moment of Ikora's mistakes coming back to bite her: she wanted Lysander and the Concordat to be forgotten, and they were. I think that this is the most logical explanation too. I feel like if Eva recognized the Concordat's heraldry, she would've reported it instead of just slapping a new coat of paint on the Skimmers and calling it a day.

Sounds like the Concordat mixed up Osiris and Felwinter when talking about a golden age experiment that was misincarnated by a ghost.

Byf fires a shot at the Warlocks, Guardian Games have truly begun

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