Similar here except I have a relatively supportive family in getting diagnosed. I found out in uni and the doc was like you are textbook adhd surprised no one caught it before 😂

I’m currently 25(F), & my brother is 10 years younger. He was diagnosed (actually with Asperger’s at first…in 2011??) with ASD/ADHD/ADD at age 3, kid embodies the spectrum lol. While my mother was reading up more post-diagnosis, she was always reading me off things saying “oh you do this too!” type thing. Yet I was always too scared to ask for help with my mental health, as since I was my brother’s diagnosis-age even, my parents would chastise & scold me for “off” behaviour. They tried to control my mental health through fear, but when those techniques didn’t work on my brother, they took him into CAMHS. It wasn’t until it was culminating into full on breakdowns & I was literally screaming about topping meself at age 17 that I got my first trip there…diagnosed with OCD (often considered within the spectrum), generalised anxiety disorder, and depression (obviously, lol). At this point in my life, after years of non-contact with the folks, being allowed to live in less fear with freedom of expression & discuss with others to realise more effed up parts of my childhood; I’m pretty certain I am also on the autism spectrum, yet had been coerced into suppression so well that I had formed a “neurotypical mask” that only began to crumble towards the tail end of living under my parents, causing very severe MH symptoms & becoming a ticking timebomb of a teen. Yet it was so, so different for my brother (for which I am thankful for his access to care). The wait-time & cost of being properly diagnosed as an adult is just too much however, this is in New Zealand, so I just accept being in limbo & picking up what management techniques I can through my own research & self-psychoanalysis lol. Learning about attachment theory has helped a lot in processing the disparities between myself & my brother’s acceptance (or lack of) under our folks, as has receiving context, opinions & acceptance from extended family. I kind of went on a tangent here, sometimes we just need to express these things somewhere to make sense of the chaos, so cheers if anyone actually read this far hahah. I guess I can just relate to the teen character a lot here, though I’ve never seen this show, but I receive far more support from my mother’s sister (who lives in another country even) & girls/women seem to exist invisibly on the spectrum, often for their whole lives😔 I am so grateful for better awareness & support of ADHD/ASD/ADD, yet the (gender) hypocrisy I’ve experienced in my own home from my own parents will always run deep.

​@@MorningStarMidnightSun similar story here. My mom suspected my brother was on the spectrum since around 4yo, he was diagnosed around 16 (shitty doctors). Im 2 years younger and was diagnosed with attention deficit and se ere anxiety when I was around 8 i think, however not much changed after that diagnosis help-wise. Im now 28, got both assesments redone a couple years ago and i was falling off the charts with how far I am on those spectrums. Further back I started wondering whether Im also on the spectrum like my brother, since I started seeing and reading more about autism in women (Im afab nb,). I wish I had the certainty of knowing, but anyways yeah, I feel let down by doctors and to some extent my mom too. Tho I know she did what she could with the little information there was about the subject when we were young, i feel like sometimes she still forgets about what I struggle with and have struggled my entire life, and considers more my brothers struggles, putting his above mine and telling me to suck it up

My parents were the same way. I wasn't allowed to "use it as an excuse", and it "was up to you to control it." Turns out I'm also autistic and never received any real care for either condition. Now I'm in my 40s, and, well, you can imagine how many traumatic social experiences I have in my past.

​@@MorningStarMidnightSun you're female. That's why you weren't diagnosed, in a nutshell. I'm autistic and have ADHD as well, and was diagnosed with ADD when I was 16 (this was 1997 so that's what it was called back then). My parents rejected the diagnosis and I didn't learn about it until I was much older. Never diagnosed with autism, but by the time I was 16, I'd learned to mask fairly well. That's why we're rarely diagnosed - our symptoms are quite different than male symptoms, and the diagnosis for both conditions are based on boys, not girls. Basically your parents, along with everyone else in your life, just shamed you into acting right, and they did it from a young age. No such extreme expectations are placed on boys.

U know I made this

I didn't think it showed bad motives, but bad decisions. And I thought the way she came in late and plopped down on the sister was a great illustration of "oh yeah, this is hereditary."

I thought her mom was just being a b*tch but maybe you have a point too

At a certain point, it doesn't really matter what someone's motives are if they are being insufferable and putting their child in danger. ADHD doesn't explain that.

​@@fluffyunicorn57Maybe not, but it's better to be aware rather than just dismissing everything as "bad behaviour".

48

36 for me

53 when I was diagnosed

26!

You are aware it’s a dramatised tv show right and it’s not a reality show

😂😂😂😂

​@@Sclub8mad of course they are aware, lol they are joking about 20 year old playing teenagers instead of using actual teenage actors 😂😂

​@@_Sarby1they can't use actual teen actors due to it being a full time job and the subjects of Waterloo Road wouldn't be appropriate for minors to act/do.... most films and series use adults playing teenagers because of these reasons

​@@maz2825🤣🤣🤣🤣 its not because its a full time job so teenagers can't do it 🤣🤣 you obviously haven't seen many films from the 80s where children were used in some very disturbing films 🤣because of that finally in the 90s films and TV regulated children being in them. Children can only film for a certain number of hours a day and week, have to have a teacher/tutor or go to school for a certain number of hours and be paid a certain rate. To avoid all these things films and TV hire anyone under 30 to play a teenager because they didn't have those restrictions and they could have them filming for as many hours as they wanted like the original 90210

However, in a school in New Jersey, many years ago we wondered why there were so many children who belonged to others ethnic groups (non-white) in special classes of students with different academic problems , social and psychological problems... the answer was, that they received the most more state aid, being a school with less than 400 students was not enough budget , they had to close that economic gap using the children with "problems"

@@Aliciaek Yes, my comment is regarding a Connecticut grade school, and it happened over 20 years ago. My daughter wasn’t diagnosed with ADD until after she graduated from high school. After talking with some folks about it at the time, is when I learned that many schools ignored these types of issues on purpose, because to report it would make the school have a special class, hire a teacher for that issue, and the school would have to pay for it. I can’t speak to how it is handled in today’s schools, but years ago, this is what happened to my daughter and me.

The schools actually get extra funding from the state for a child with a diagnosis. This is why they usually encourage it. Most kids with these diagnoses are only usually brought up by the teacher to have them be recommended for medication to make the easier to handle in class to make their job easier and more convenient. This is also around the same time many kids are because they lose interest in the subjects being taught and don’t have an issue at all, only told more to sit down and be quiet when a child’s body is meant to move about, and not sit still for hours on end listening to boring things that don’t really excite them! It’s also when things like recess are cut and homework is picked up on leaving less time for home like and recreation. 3rd grade is the average age when things like this are increasingly more common for seeing more kids having these diagnoses. It’s not a problem with the kids, but how they are expected to function in the most unnatural ways possible. There nothing wrong with most kids with this diagnosis, but the system they are thrown into that expects more out of them than they should and treats them like mini adults who need to be more productive and less playing which is so essential to their learning and proper health mentally and physically!

@@Lacroix999 Like I had mentioned, my daughter and my experience with this happened many, many years ago, when she was in grade school. She’s 30 now. And her school didn’t get extra funding for this. Children with ADD or ADHD were purposely not diagnosed. I was always told she had a reading comprehension problem. Her schools did not have a specific class for children with ADD or ADHD. As I remember, they did structure class composition by what grades they had, like children who mostly got A, B, C, or Ds. The A students were the smartest and the D students were the dumbest. It was an awful way to stratify the classes. And the children all knew who was in each type of classroom, so the ones in the “D” classroom were looked down upon. And the “A” students were the teachers pets and favored more than others. It broke my heart. My daughter was mostly in the “C” category. She often felt “stupid” and would tell me so. But she wasn’t stupid. I could see that her grades said one thing, but to talk with her and to know her, one would think she was very smart. And after high school, after being diagnosed with severe ADD, she was put on medication and it turned her whole life around. She became driven, ambitious. She went into a medical billing and coding program, and graduated with honors. But the stigma has never left her, because to this day, she has issues with self-esteem. She continually gets better and more confident, but the insecurities are still there.

Look no further than the mother: her intrusive arrival How the girls body language changed the second her mother arrived; How the mother was aggressive physically and vocally : ……..

@@janel342Absolutely! The young woman playing this role is brilliant! She has the eyes down and that visible flinch as soon as the mother comes near to her.

I remember one comment said this was an "inaccurate" portrayal. It's like they forgot or are ignorant to the fact that just because two people could have ADHD, that doesn't mean they'll behave the exact same way.

Undiagnosed

Undiagnosed and untreated ADHD can get worse in adulthood, so it wouldn't surprise me.

​@@spookyspice596 the treatment is psychology and sometimes Medication right? Im not sure since i don't have ADHD and i want to learn about its treatments

@@pantamews it’s less so treatment in the sense of finding a cure and more so as a way to manage things. so therapy and psychological intervention may be needed to work through past experiences that have been worsened by having the likes of adhd, or as a way to help a person develop coping mechanisms and strengthen their ability to complete things they may struggle will more than the “average” person. medication can help a lot too by improving the likes of a person’s ability to focus, though a lot of them can also come with extensive side effects.

@@user-gp5cy3ut6y ohh i see, tysm for helping me understand

Curious what you actually have

"no trust in any authority figures ever." Well, at least they taught you one valuable lesson.

@@peterrose5373 what lesson you make me soo mad

@@LiberianPrettyChefandComedian Not to trust authority figures just because they're authority figures.

She might have ADHD too..

Possible that she also has adhd

Also looks like Mom has been dealing with this alone for 14? Years without any help. I’d be annoyed with these professionals too.

And sit in her OWN chair

Mom probably has ADHD too.

You probably aren’t missing much. CBT is proven to be less effective (and sometimes even harmful) for neurodivergent people - especially autistics. As an autistic with adhd also, I have never experienced benefits from CBT and I now avoid it.

Diazepam is a benzo not a narcotic

That does happen, childhood adhd resolves itself in some people. It is unclear if it is fair to call it adhd though as it's a neurodivergence and childhood adhd might just be a delay in the development of the prefrontal cortex. Technically different things that are caused by the same part of the brain and its developmental timing and thresholds.

Probably because there's still a strong stigma surrounding it. Especially in TV dramas ran by producers who are out of touch with reality

ADHD is genetic. It's likely been inherited from her to begin with.

Or your mom suffered from the same diagnoses and didn't have it under control....

@@twistysnacksit can be both. Being mentally ill doesn’t excuse abusive behavior

@@arson_ruby2403 That's right. A parent should know to get themselves help for the sake of their children.

@@arson_ruby2403you’re absolutely right on that, but I would like to note that adhd is not a mental illness

She had her young Tha actress is in her mid 30s in real life

Absolutely. Diazepam is not an ADHD treatment, but there are plenty of medications that are, and they’re a godsend. I wish I hadn’t had to wait until my 30’s to learn that.

On the other hand, you don't want to dive straight into medication if the person's at that place in the ADHD spectrum where their behavior can be handled with adapting their routine and building good habits. It's always best to start with addressing what can be done _before_ medication, rather than just using medication like it's the only option.

Yes, but some of us who got medicated had to be weaned off of it due to side effects, so it's a good idea to explore other options, too

The risks and down sides of stimulant medication are also well-known. High blood pressure that doesn't go away even when the medication is discontinued, brain atrophy, etc. There are non-stimulant ADHD medications too. Though there's no such thing as a drug that doesn't have any risks or side effects, so it's wise to try non-drug treatments, and not pretend as though drugs are the best or the only treatment option.

Also girls and women with adhd and autism often fly under the radar.

He could have both. Over half of autistics have comorbid adhd. As an aside, functioning labels (high/low functioning) are no longer used in the medical literature and are considered by many autistics to be offensive.

I have both ADHD and autism and found that ADHD medication only made my unmanaged autism worse.

@@darcyframed201 yeah, it do be like that sometimes 🫤

@@redbirddeerjazz My brother and nephew disagree.

Youngest you can legally have a child in the UK is 16, as the age of consent is 16. This show is in Highschool/secondary school, so the oldest the girl could be is also 16. That means, the youngest that the mum could legally be is 32. Never seen the show, but I am aware that the actress for the mother is in her 30s, so it's accurate to say she would look this young.

​@@Number81ght32/33 sounds about right. She played Michaela in Hollyoaks years ago and Michaela was my age

Lol daughter looks kinda old for secondary school too then, don’t you think🤨

She probably does have ADHD (it is genetic, after all), and she's right that the system failed her. But that doesn't change the fact that she is responsible for her own actions. Even if her intentions were good, medicating her daughter for undiagnosed ADHD without a prescription was dangerous and incredibly foolish, and she can easily have her daughter taken from her for it. At this point it might be safer for mom and daughter to be separated for a time while both are treated for their conditions. The girl has family she can stay with, so she won't languish in the system, and mom will have to learn some hard lessons.

The accent kind of give that away.

ADHD is a spectrum of things, though. You can be _incredibly_ intelligent, test well, and still actually have ADHD. The name is a severe misnomer, in fact. Some kids are physically hyperactive, can't sit still long enough to focus on a task, which even into adulthood can continue to manifest as physical restlessness when asked to sit still and do a tedious thing. Some are incredibly inattentive and prone to daydreaming or distracted thoughts (this is one of the more common presentations in female ADHD cases, which is why it was so often presumed to be purely a "boys' problem," due to their greater likelihood to present visible, physical symptoms). Some suffer from executive dysfunction, and have a hard time transitioning between tasks, while some hyperfocus on singular things to the point of forgetting everything around them. Some have issues regulating their emotions, or suffer from rejection sensitivity dysphoria (basically, a thing perceived as an emotional "rejection" can send some folks with ADHD into a downward spiral of distress disproportionate to the situation). Some suffer from severe insomnia, but also have a hard time waking up once they _do_ sleep. It's not just "Oh, this kid can't sit still and do their work, so they're ADHD!" Also, plenty of people with ADHD go to college. It's not a condition that affects how intelligent you are. It's something that effects how the brain produces, processes, and responds to dopamine due to maldevelopment of the prefrontal cortex. Yes, it can be comorbid with various learning disabilities, but ADHD in itself does not have any kind of definitive proof that one is somehow less intelligent for having it. In fact, it's become increasingly evident that many children cited as "gifted" when younger are in fact merely someone with strong hyperfocus in those areas, which is often why that supposed "gifted" intellect begins to wane as they reach high school or college, where many of their previous support structures begin to fail, and due to their previous ease with the subject, they often haven't built good coping methods for when it _doesn't_ make sense anymore. You're saying "Don't just jump to conclusions," but you're the one trotting out hackneyed stereotypes and ideas that have been largely disproven. Your son going off to college doesn't mean that he doesn't have ADHD. The fact that he tested high doesn't mean he's neurotypical. That all kids can be hyperactive doesn't mean that ADHD doesn't exist or is a rushed diagnosis. You admit you don't understand ADHD, and you're showing a lot of your ignorance in trying to basically act like it doesn't exist.

@@Mokiefraggle I said I don't understand ADHD but didn't say it doesn't exist. In many cases it is misunderstood. By the way he wasn't tested high on ADHD.Thank you for the detailed explanation. I know many people who are super intelligent and never even show symptoms, only a close diagnosis can reveal their ADHD. I said don't jump into conclusions because it happened to my son who didn't have ADHD but was misdiagnosed.

@@devisaba2480 Apologies. It really does read like you're shining it off in that way that many people do, especially when someone in their life who doesn't "look like they have ADHD" is given the diagnosis. Also, I've known too many people who try and play the "It's not real/you just need to learn to behave better" game with friends and family who have ADHD or other neurodivergencies that anything that remotely touches the "Oh, everyone's just a little like that!" thing raises my hackles.

I have adhd diagnosed at 12 now 38. I've been to uni and have a 1st class honours in nursing adhd doesn't make a person an underachiever . Someone with adhd just needs reasonable adjustments to make them be able to achieve their full potential

What's the solution then. I don't believe I meds either and I agree it's fraudulent. Neurodivergents have to work too though and earn a living just like you lucky sods unafflicted by 'adhd'. It can also be a diet issue for some.

@@priskruger314 ADHD is often caused by the diet, such as various soft drinks with e211 in them, plus colourants. Also a diet of high carbs and sugar causes high energy levels such as hyperactivity. The medication for ADHD calms the person however the long term effects are not known, not researched, and it’s very possibly that being on such medication in the long term, for a few years or a decade or more, causes brain damage or cancer. Usually the people put on those drugs are young and their brains are developing. The solution is to try to control symptoms through diet. The person can control their behaviour a bit better when they are older. For example my son is an adult now but if he’s nervous about something he has to face, he drinks a certain fizzy drink with E211 in it, and it benefits him, otherwise he controls his diet to stay more placid but with children and teens, careful diet is needed. I should add that ADHD is caused by an allergy to certain E numbers in the food, as it penetrates the brain barrier in those allergic. Not everyone is allergic! Generally, l am pointing out that people with serious behavioural issues, are a burden, financially and time wise on employers yet employers are expected to carry certain people, tolerate them, and pretend they earn their wages, as directed by Governmental departments as guidance and may be compulsory that they carry a percentage of such people in the workplace. I have seen abuse of the systems in place to support people with disabilities in the work place. One female l knew had an artificial leg, and it gave her trouble from time to time, this qualified her for immunity from being sacked, fired, however she was hardly at work, but on the few occasions she turned up, she sat doodling how she hated her work, and she complained about the efficiency of other employees, and she was the person who was deficient in her job ethics and standards, yet magically she was “ respected” and “ cosseted” and got paid for 52 weeks a year, when she actually managed to work collectively but 2 months out of the year, she would be off work for 6 weeks at a time several times in a year, and that was in a company that fired their employees if they were absent from work more than twice in the year. One young man l knew was absent to sit exams, three days in one year, he got fired, for three absence periods.

Yes, the inability to focus, the difficulty relaxing, the mood swings, the sleepless nights, the low motivation, the low self-esteem, the long periods of unemployment, the paralysis, and the non-stop racing thoughts that constantly scream over each other are SUCH a gift!

​@@spookyspice596 THIS

I appreciate that some people do see their ADHD as a gift or superpower and for them it's really helpful to see it that way. That doesn't mean this is the case for everyone. It is a neurodiversity which comes with strengths, but also typically makes navigating the world very challenging. I don't see my ADHD as a gift or superpower. When I'm struggling and wishing I'd been born with a different brain, I remind myself that if that happened, I might also not have all the qualities in myself that I like. I'm working towards acceptance of the difficulties with the positives, without pretending the difficulties don't exist

Not for me. Anger issues, impulsive behavior, inability to wait turns, ruined relationships, risky behaviors, near death experiences, not able to focus or relax, depression, anxiety, low self esteem, etc.

@@spookyspice596i luv the way u humbled them

Very much a curse in my experience. Especially if you live in a third-world sh**hole with a backwards mindset when it comes to mental healthcare--or healthcare in general, really--even from supposed industry "professionals." Although, I don't see how they're "making ADHD look bad" here. They're offering her proper treatment and the selfish "mother" is portrayed as clearly in the wrong. At least going by this clip.

Its a curse in many ways... more negative than positive for sure.

It may not be a curse but I don't think it's a blessing

They're not making it look that way, they're getting her help that she needs, or could very much do with. However the mother portrayed here on the other hand ...

Glad for you it is a blessing and whilst I don’t like stigma for me it’s a big dark cloud above me. For me it’s very debilitating so very much a curse. X

What are you on about mate, ADHD is usually genetic, caused on occasion by things like a traumatic brain injury, or exposure to bad shit during pregnancy (we're not talking bad food and bad air, we're talking abt shit like smoking, drinking, or lead exposure) Adhd is a neurodevelopmental disorder, it occurs very early, and it has a root physical cause. Some bad parenting isn't really gonna affect that short of dropping a kid on the head

18 years as a specialist teaching advisor in inclusion of disabled students in mainstream education, and an autism in education training. You’re 100% incorrect.

Balderdash

The heritability of ADHD is about 80% ( doi: 10.1007/s11920-020-1141-x ) ADHD is not caused by bad parenting though it may cause people to struggle with parenting. ADHD makes you more susceptible to addiction - Adults with ADHD have a higher prevalence of substance abuse disorder (15.2%) compared to those without ADHD (5.6%).

I’ll stick with the science thanks.