Devilishly Difficult Counterpoint: Bach's BWV 40 Cantata (Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes)

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Richard Atkinson

Richard Atkinson

2 жыл бұрын

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Richard Atkinson analyzes the devilishly difficult counterpoint in the opening chorus of J. S. Bach's BWV 40 cantata, "Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes."
This is a fair use educational commentary that uses excerpts from a recording/performance by Bach Collegium Japan, directed by Masaaki Suzuki.

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@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
Bach is so brilliant one can't help but feel sheepish. His genius is truly staggering. He could dash off a magnificent cantata in less than a week and if it was for a special occasion (like this one) he could seemingly, effortlessly compose something of deep complexity but also of joy and beauty and love for God and all mankind. What a treasure for us centuries later!
2 жыл бұрын
It feels like Christmas every time Richard uploads a video. This time, especially!
@klausschweizer2420
@klausschweizer2420 2 жыл бұрын
The german part means that the snake can't bring danger to the children of Adam, as it did in the beginning of time in Paradise (Eden, creation story). Greetings from Germany, Love your videos.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think part of my confusion was the use of the word "paradise" to describe the Garden of Eden in the past, when I was thinking of the text from BWV 106 "Heute, heute wirst du mit mir im Paradies sein" which is talking about the future (and a different location - depending on whether you actually believe any of this, which I don't).
@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson That's a conscious dualism; the "paradise" of the garden is the same as heaven. A return to paradise.
@andrewtessman9921
@andrewtessman9921 2 жыл бұрын
I think a better distribution of the English commas would be: "The serpent, who in Paradise once [poisoned the souls of Adam's children], no longer..." (Or better yet, the children in Paradise). I'm not a native German, but the commas in that English translation do present some heavy confusion/ambiguity.
@BigJonesKK
@BigJonesKK 2 жыл бұрын
I would translate as follows: The serpent, which once in the Garden Eden spread upon all children of Adam the poison of the souls, no longer is of any danger to us.
@paulkolodner2445
@paulkolodner2445 2 жыл бұрын
The commas are the key here - they're used differently in German. To understand how this sentence is supposed to read, replace both commas with parentheses: The snake (who issued venom etc in paradise) no longer brings us danger.
@sovereign254
@sovereign254 2 жыл бұрын
It's the fact that Bach could compose such intricate yet harmonious music that further solidifies him as the greatest and most important western composer to have lived. His grasp at the art of counterpoint was truly astonishing, and in my opinion, hasn't been surpassed by any other composer since. Music as a whole is better because Bach lived and pushed the boundaries of what is possible.
@weepingscorpion8739
@weepingscorpion8739 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how you are introduced to things. I wasn't big into music until my early teens and one thing that started that was my dad looking for notation software as he like me is an amateur organist. One such programme we found had sections of Uns ist ein Kind geboren, BWV 142 in a demo file and this is afaik, the first of the Bach cantatas I actually listened to. And here I am, almost 30 years later with a huge interest in music and music theory watching a brilliant piece being analysed. And I am completely loving it. Great work as always on your videos, Richard.
@legendbach
@legendbach 2 жыл бұрын
VI: Cum Sancto Spiritu from Mass in F Major, BWV 233 is an almost exact copy of the initial Chorus part of BWV40 Cantata (Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes) but with slower tempo. It's incredible how Bach reused a lot of his own works, he sometimes probably didn't have enough time to compose new material and he had to reuse the old one.
@lucadeieso4815
@lucadeieso4815 4 ай бұрын
This Is not the case, he only wanted to use again this gorgeous music with a text that Is timeless, whithout the limits of the single occasion permitted by the text of a cantata. To rearrange the music so that It can fit the new text Is sometimes more complicated than to compose new music.
@kangyroo4526
@kangyroo4526 2 жыл бұрын
You know it’s gonna be good when the horn part is split into two lines
@saidtoshimaru1832
@saidtoshimaru1832 2 жыл бұрын
Another outstanding video!!! It's just amazing how such a complex composition just flows effortlessly.
@ironmaz1
@ironmaz1 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible! thanks for the video :) Your favorite section is super addictive. It boggles the mind how staggeringly prolific Bach was; despite listening to mostly cantatas lately, I've never come across this one. I can't wait to discover what other brilliancies he's hidden in his vast opus
@guille____
@guille____ 2 жыл бұрын
i always enjoy your analysis so much! great stuff :)
@simonthelen5910
@simonthelen5910 2 жыл бұрын
I would translate the first sentence of the Recitative as: "The serpent, who in paradise brought down the venom of souls upon all of Adam's children, no longer puts us in danger." So it's talking about the original sin in paradise, the Garden of Eden.
@MonkeyBars1
@MonkeyBars1 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree. The tricky part is as you explained in another comment the use of the conjunction "so" in 17th-century German where today only a relative pronoun (die/who) can suffice. Terrific analysis, indeed it seems fitting together a dense triple stretto puzzle into something so beautiful and natural was just another day's work to Kapellmeister Bach 🌊
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think part of my confusion was the use of the word "paradise" to describe the Garden of Eden in the past, when I was thinking of the text from BWV 106 "Heute, heute wirst du mit mir im Paradies sein" which is talking about the future (and a different location - depending on whether you actually believe any of this, which I don't).
@alari9006
@alari9006 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Richard, a french viewer here ! Your channel is just a gem ! I appreciate very much the hard work you put in these videos! I am learning a lot thank to you and your great analysis
@Ivan_1791
@Ivan_1791 2 жыл бұрын
Bach is a master of symbolism. I love it.
@valeriofarinelli4340
@valeriofarinelli4340 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations from Italy too. Your videos are all very instructive!
@Tredecimus
@Tredecimus 2 жыл бұрын
And the result of his mastership - when you put all theory aside - is nothing but wonderful harmony.
@tamed4171
@tamed4171 2 жыл бұрын
fantastic analysis as always, I truly love these bach cantata videos, since I'm not smart enough yet to do thorough analysis like you do, so its always appreciated
@ru99414
@ru99414 2 жыл бұрын
I listened to this a while ago but never read the score, and I really recognized this distinctive common tone motive without actually being concious of it, as well as the huge Bb7 in the parts at 12:43. Quite amazing how clear this composition is even in the most complex counterpoint (as expected from Bach), but it just shows how incredibly well everything work together and just the way that descending syncopated line comes out from the repeated common tone is just beautiful and its what you actually hear at first without studying it
@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
I love all your videos, but especially Bach and Mozart because they're my favorites! Keep them coming!
@lesliewilburn3797
@lesliewilburn3797 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to watch the video! I really enjoy your work.
@lesliewilburn3797
@lesliewilburn3797 2 жыл бұрын
I still can’t believe how Bach wrote half of the counterpoint he did, much less after trying my hand at writing fugues myself… And the fact that they were able to use figured bass back in the day to improvise fugues is even more unfathomable…
@frenchimp
@frenchimp 2 жыл бұрын
@@lesliewilburn3797 But you can believe how he wrote the other half?
@Guitareben
@Guitareben 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Crazy to think about how fast Bach wrote pieces like this. Just defies belief really!
@markkumollari
@markkumollari 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, wonderful work on cantatas and food for thought for smaller and bigger Masses as well!
@hhhaitchhh
@hhhaitchhh 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your work on these.
@Godzilla-xt4nd
@Godzilla-xt4nd 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Bach's Cantatas never fail to amaze me with their complexity (so many of his pieces are so well though out, it's hard to believe that he made these in such quick succession.) Could I ask, can we give recommendations for pieces to analyse?
@simonsmatthew
@simonsmatthew 5 ай бұрын
Marvellous. What I can't get over is how someone could compose so physically so much complex material like this. Ok Bach is Bach, but I also think that musical education today would not allow someone to be able to achieve any like this, no matter how talented or dedicated.
@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
That bass aria is awesome too my god
@TheTrueAltoClef
@TheTrueAltoClef 2 жыл бұрын
9:41 well the serpent was at one point in paradise since I believe Satan was the closest to God before he thought he was better than Him which caused him to get kicked out of heaven
@ehRalph
@ehRalph 2 жыл бұрын
It must have been a lot easier to accomplish things back in the 1700’s. Bach, Mozart, Ben Franklin and the rest of those guys. Probably everything was easier before television. But now we have KZfaq and things may start to get interesting again. Nice analysis.
@c0ntemporist
@c0ntemporist 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos!!! Please do more Shostakovich!
@michaelladarkangelsparkle9908
@michaelladarkangelsparkle9908 2 жыл бұрын
OMG WHAT A CHARMING GORGEOUS CANTATA VIDEO!!!! I ALWAYS LOOK SO FORWARD TO YOUR VIDS! AND CAN'T WAIT FOR EVEN MORE! GLAD TO HAVE BACH IN MY LIFE! IT'S NOT ALL I LISTEN TO... BUT IT'S 'OFFEN'BACH'🙈🤣💖🎶🎶
@lulolean
@lulolean 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I wish more people in the world could understand the inner beauty of this music. I really appreciate the time you put into helping us understand.
@theobolt250
@theobolt250 2 жыл бұрын
Try to imagine either the pure joy or utter despare if you happen to be member of the choir that has to perform these pieces! You were either in heaven or.... hell.
@user-kk5qe9fj2l
@user-kk5qe9fj2l 2 жыл бұрын
9:46 "Die Schlange, so im Paradies auf alle Adamskinder das Gift der Seelen fallen ließ [...]" He just specifies that he means the very special genesis serpent by referencing the role it played in starting the bible story arc. It is very clear that this would have been in the past.
@ssvemuri
@ssvemuri 2 жыл бұрын
Of course Bach is a genius, but I am not formally trained and sometimes the beauty of the piece is overshadowed by the many layers of orchestration. I wonder if the later composers were able to achieve a better balance of complexity and beauty while still using counter-point and fugue albeit in more limited ways. However, there are also many beautiful pieces by Bach including this one.
@prototypeinheritance515
@prototypeinheritance515 2 жыл бұрын
new analysis video!
@twood1uis
@twood1uis 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful analysis, and amazing music. Who made this recording?
@afonsodeportugal
@afonsodeportugal 2 жыл бұрын
It's in the description of the video! 😉
@eai554
@eai554 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, very enjoyable. Minor quibble: the counterpoint isn’t “difficult”; rather, it may better be viewed as intricate or complex or as a virtuoso display of technique in service of a higher musical goal.
@rinzucca
@rinzucca 2 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that in the German text the word Paradies is not used to mean paradise (which is the common meaning today) but garden /garden of Eden, which was the original meaning
@aksuli1
@aksuli1 2 жыл бұрын
This is the same composition with the closing movement of his F major mass, BWV 233. He took this from there or vice versa.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Vice versa, as I mention at 1:17. Those Lutheran masses and the B-minor mass are almost like anthologies of his greatest cantata movements.
@di0nko
@di0nko 2 жыл бұрын
Great!
@palette_1563
@palette_1563 2 жыл бұрын
For me it's like looking into the universe. His brain was a marvel of creation indeed!
@MarvinFalz
@MarvinFalz 2 жыл бұрын
Native German speaker here. No, the original text doesn't have the hilarious ambiguity of the English text. The German text in the Recitativo (Alt) says in the modern(!) understanding of the German language, that the snake who once in paradise let the venom of souls fall on all children of Adam in this manner, no longer brings us danger. "In this manner" would refer to a text passage before the Recitativo. Another difference between the German and the English version of the Recitativo is "the seed of a woman" reads in German "the seed of woman," unless "woman" specifically refers to a particular woman, probably Eve. [EDIT]No, that's wrong. If it was one particular woman the text refers to, then the phrase would be "the seed of the woman." [/EDIT] And lastly, the English translation of the Choir part seems to say that the Son of God is either sucessful or not successful in destroying the work of the Devil. The German text seems to state that the Son of God will definitely destroy the works of the Devil. But again, I read German from the early 1800s with today's understanding of the language. In any case, thank you for your video of this beautiful piece of Bach's divine music!
@3gtheepic
@3gtheepic 2 жыл бұрын
Could you do an analysis of the counterpoint of Metamorphosen by Strauss?
@andreaswaldstein3374
@andreaswaldstein3374 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you do a video on something from Zelenka!
@trevjr
@trevjr 2 жыл бұрын
As usual a brilliant analysis video of a cantata I have never heard of. I think I know most of Bach but never got into the cantatas. I am just astounded at Bach's clever use of music and words, it is almost not to be believed. I mean, did he just toss this off late one Saturday night before church?? The fugal part reminds me of another Bach piece, I want to say something in the b minor Mass. I just can't place it right now. And yes, I can feel that snake slithering all throughout the piece, Bach just amazes me everyday even in works I have played or known for 40 years. Thank you Richard!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
You might be thinking of the BWV 233 Lutheran Mass, that repurposes this music for its "Cum Sancto Spiritu."
@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
You can't know Bach without knowing the cantatas. They're a universe in themselves and my god how glorious it is!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-ol1ib1ss2b I certainly agree that Bach's choral works are his greatest masterpieces - and that's really saying something, given his non-choral works.
@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Right? He wrote unassailable masterpieces for every performer; the soloist, the orchestra, the choir.
@frenchimp
@frenchimp 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Richard.Atkinson Well, there's the Art of the Fugue. But the cantatas are a fascinating universe in their own place.
@thegolgatha5337
@thegolgatha5337 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis of a brilliant piece of music, thank you so much for enlightening us another time on this subject.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
Your screen name reminds me of one of my favorite moments from the St. Matthew Passion: the "Ach Golgatha" recitativo (especially when the vocalist ends on the leading tone).
@thegolgatha5337
@thegolgatha5337 2 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson : 🙏🏻 You’re absolutely right, I was inspired by it, (allthough I don‘t consider myself as ‚unseelig‘ 😄) I sung the passion several times, first as a little soprano, later on as a senior bass voice. Bach is my inner companion since I can think or feel in musical terms.
@historicaltemperaments3566
@historicaltemperaments3566 2 жыл бұрын
Your decoding is absolutely convincing! I am just starting to realise that in all Bach's works, including the "profane" works as well, there is a definite and strong Christian message - and where they have been recognised, how these parts work just reflects the concept of this Cantata - being an actual religious work!
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 2 жыл бұрын
The orange repeated motif and the yellow descending figure remind me of the 1st mvmt of Brandenburg concerto no. 2. That piece always sounded Christmas-y to me and perhaps this explains it!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
Also maybe because of the similar scoring of part 4 of the Christmas Oratorio? Or, maybe it's just psychological since we see so many shiny horns as Christmas tree ornaments?
@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
F major seems like a Christmas key to me
@twood1uis
@twood1uis 2 жыл бұрын
It was written for the second day of Christmas!
@bargledargle7941
@bargledargle7941 2 жыл бұрын
About the repeated note motif and serpent like motif... The 4th fugue (C# minor) of WTC is considered by some to be a religious fugue. And as you said it contains the repeating "stomp" motif (also appeared in an earlier video of yours) and it does contain the "serpent-like" motif (as you already said in the current video). Would you like to analyze BWV 1000(Fugue)? Or it's note-repeatingly stompingly similar to other analyses you already made?
@andersonezraviolin
@andersonezraviolin 2 жыл бұрын
0:43 this channel is Christmas in April
@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245
@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245 2 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@SebLP97
@SebLP97 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! I think the German text is not as ambiguous as the translation, it's about the serpent having issued (literally: dropped ("fallen lassen" = to drop)) venom on Adam's children, which it did in the Garden of Eden (in the past). I believe the conjunction "once" is not a good choice here, but it's probably supposed to mean "The serpent, which was once in paradise issuing venom, no longer brings us danger". The German conjunction "so" feels outdated now, or just used to fit the rhythm. It doesn't necessarily convey a meaning of time, be it future or past, the meaning of the German text becomes clear only due to "fallen ließ" being past tense. I would translate this sentence "The serpent, which in paradise issued upon all Adam's children venom of the soul", to make it less ambiguous.
@simonthelen5910
@simonthelen5910 2 жыл бұрын
"So" is indeed just an out-dated relative pronoun. It simply means "who/which". The English translation takes a lot of liberties. I don't think it captures the meaning of the original text very well.
@Quotenwagnerianer
@Quotenwagnerianer 2 жыл бұрын
In my collection of all cantatas the german is translated as follows: "The snake, which in Paradise deposited the poison of the soul on the children of Adam, is no longer a danger to us." That is pretty much a correct translation.
@frenchimp
@frenchimp 2 жыл бұрын
@@simonthelen5910 Like 'as' in English, I guess.
@simonthelen5910
@simonthelen5910 2 жыл бұрын
@@frenchimp Apparently, yes. I didn't know that. Interesting!
@OutbackBoy
@OutbackBoy 2 жыл бұрын
Bach: writing false recapitulations before it was cool (even before sonata form had evolved)
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
Yes 😂
@thesius313
@thesius313 2 жыл бұрын
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@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson Жыл бұрын
Hi! Sorry for the late response. Can you email me at rma2108@gmail.com? I’m interested.
@TheOrganizedSoprano
@TheOrganizedSoprano Жыл бұрын
LOL, I just started learning this for church this week and I thought "This one seems pretty complex" 🤣
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson Жыл бұрын
Is it in Boston??
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson Жыл бұрын
Because if it's the one at Emmanuel, I was already planning to be in the audience!
@TheOrganizedSoprano
@TheOrganizedSoprano Жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson 👀 see you there 😆
@derekdavid1
@derekdavid1 2 жыл бұрын
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME!!! So much fun! Bravo!!! Had a DEVIL of a time watching and listening! ;)
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
You're the DEVIL I know!
@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245
@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245 2 жыл бұрын
Now how about the opening chorus of Cantata No. 4? (My favorite.)
@frenchimp
@frenchimp 2 жыл бұрын
It begins in a sinfonia! (a very beautiful one, by the way).
@ghuinink
@ghuinink Ай бұрын
is this composed during the Brandenburg Concerti period? there are a lot of similarities in thematic handling
@JJJRRRJJJ
@JJJRRRJJJ Жыл бұрын
I love this cantata
@adrianoseresi3525
@adrianoseresi3525 2 жыл бұрын
What is your favourite Bach cantata cycle?
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
That’s like asking what my favorite Mahler symphony is.
@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
Got a request, though I'm sure you've got more than you can manage... the Cum Sancto Spirito of the G minor Missa Brevis, or the original cantata movement. It's dizzying and I bet you could explain it perfectly. It's one of those Bach movements where you can imagine the reaction in the church... like the opening of the St. John Passion.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's from the opening chorus of BWV 187. I should've included that subject as another example of a "serpentine" configuration.
@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Honestly if you did that you'd have to include everything! Bach's all melismas; serpents, streams, rainbows, rollercoasters... however people want to color them. Is the theme of the third movement of Brandenburg 3 a serpent too? ;)
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-ol1ib1ss2b Yep, that was my point when I was playing "Devil's advocate."
@user-ol1ib1ss2b
@user-ol1ib1ss2b 2 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson of course sorry 😅
@VenomCold
@VenomCold 2 жыл бұрын
the german text is refering to the beginning of time in paradise where satan disguised as the serpent tricked adam and eve into sinning thus making humanity sinners by inheritance. it is not trying to say that the serpent is in paradise but rather refering to adam and eve and the forbidden fruit.
@Renenko
@Renenko Жыл бұрын
What recording is this?
@danielgrotz6599
@danielgrotz6599 2 жыл бұрын
For me the most obviously "serpentine" fugue subject of Bach is the B minor organ fugue: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e7lnmbFj0b67eIk.html. No one else has ever seemed to mentioned this one but I feel like I can't be the only one who hears it this way.
@bibobabu8756
@bibobabu8756 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a video about the Rachmaninoff piano concertos? That would be sooo cool!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
I normally say "maybe" to requests that I can envision myself doing one day - but I really just have zero interest in the Rachmaninoff PCs as pieces of music! They are incredibly boring to me.
@bibobabu8756
@bibobabu8756 2 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Could you explain why you find them boring please? If you have no interest in them I guess I will have to analyze them myself but I'd still be interested in knowing why someone would think of those concertos as boring
@mirrormoonknight856
@mirrormoonknight856 2 жыл бұрын
My family has coined the term "Rachmaninoff sandwich" for those sanwhiches that have a lot of ham, baloney and cheese.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 2 жыл бұрын
@@bibobabu8756 I'll try, but even I sometimes have difficulty with questions like this. When someone comments that they find Mahler boring, I bristle, and I usually assume that they just haven't listened to enough Mahler (which I think is usually the case). So people might be tempted to think the same about me and the Rachmaninoff piano concertos - but believe me, I've given them ample chances, and they do nothing for me. Here are a couple of reasons why: 1. They have no real dramatic arc and don't seem to be organized logically 2. Their thematic material sounds to me like elevator music, with the added annoyance of a piano playing tangentially related scales and arpeggios over the themes. 3. They seem like "virtuosity in search of musical ideas," much like a lot of Paganini and to a lesser extent, Liszt. Anyway, no hard feelings!! If it makes you feel better, I do like many of his preludes!
@bibobabu8756
@bibobabu8756 2 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Good points! I don't necessarily agree but I can understand your point of view.
@wichbe
@wichbe 2 жыл бұрын
nice! have you considered doing a video of any female composers?
@stanisawzokiewski707
@stanisawzokiewski707 2 жыл бұрын
Mahler 8 double fugue?
@gerdprengel7616
@gerdprengel7616 Жыл бұрын
wow - this cantata is just so gorgeous!! - I never heard it before - thanking for pointing it out to me! Did you ever consider to do an analysis of the Musical Offering? This would be great!! So far I was very dissatisfied with the renditions I heard so far of this peak of counterpoint (apart one for piano) - so I tried to do my own orchestration (with Beethoven's c#-quartet as a kind of model), which you might like to listen to: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fpmno8R9ssjJdGw.html
@jonp3890
@jonp3890 Жыл бұрын
Bach is one of the chief comforts in a world of sometimes overwhelming madness and ignorance. As far as I’m concerned, a mind like that is a proof of God.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure how an amazing human mind proves anything about the existence of a creature from ancient myths. That’s a non sequitur.
@jonp3890
@jonp3890 Жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Fine, you go with your view and I’ll go with mine, but I’ll add this: At this juncture, anyone who doesn’t see plenty of solid evidence for the existence of a creator simply hasn’t looked into the matter enough, or honestly, and I have little time or patience for those who resort to sophomoric phrases like “ancient myths,” as if that’s some logical slam dunk that settles the matter.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson Жыл бұрын
@@jonp3890 I think the existence of Bach's mind proves the existence of Zeus. By your same logic. And you can't call Zeus a myth, because that's just sophomoric!
@jonp3890
@jonp3890 Жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson You look for evidence of Zeus, as defined by Greek mythology, and I’ll look for evidence of God, as defined by the Judeo-Christian scriptures, and we’ll see how much evidence accrues for the one over the other. Once done, we can even use Aristotle’s logic to assist in determining which deity is more plausible. Faith, by design, as far as I can tell, will always play a significant part in belief, certainly, but any honest assessment of the evidence of such unseen things will see the total absurdity of the possibility of the existence of Zeus, versus a rather, it might be, unnerving possibility of the existence of God, defined as spirit, unseen by any, and as love itself, which is familiar to all. Just taking the existence of a creator of some sort, at least, one not straightjacketed by any doctrine anywhere, and the evidence for that is laying about in the streets these days for anyone with a mind to look. Seeing all that, and all things considered as best as I possibly can, the existence of God as defined, more or less, by the Abrahamic religions seems the most certain by far to me.
@michaelbradshaw8784
@michaelbradshaw8784 Жыл бұрын
Zeus is a mythical Sun God , MY GOD , THE CREATOR,, CREATED YOUR GOD IF HE WAS ACTUALLY REAL ! Think about it, Zeus is the son of God and the Greek mythology. Venus is the goddess of love Poseidon, is the God the sea…. My God is both light and love all in one and created all the other stuff, so how does Zeus Trump anything?
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