How to Play Behind The Beat (no-bs examples for bassists & drummers)

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3 жыл бұрын

In today’s new video Ian Allison and drummer Steve Goold walk you through some ideas and exercises that will help level up your sense of playing ‘in the pocket’. To a beginner, this concept might have you scratching your head, but how many experienced bass players really know what it means?
In this lesson you’re going to learn:
- What it means to play in the pocket.
- How it works.
- How to play ahead of the beat.
- How to play behind.
- Why every audience loves a back beat.
- And much more!
As always, see you in the shed…
Scott :)
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@BearKillsJF 3 жыл бұрын

I'm really digging Scott's new American accent

@ronlawrence5635 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. He is much easier to understand.

@flash001USA 3 жыл бұрын

That is so funny because I pulled this up on my phone and at first glance I thought it was Scott and I expected to hear Scott then I heard an American accent in which point I had to take a second take.

@ianleonard3264 3 жыл бұрын

@@flash001USA same i saw this comment the video started and my brain ate itself

@flash001USA 3 жыл бұрын

@@ianleonard3264 Had I seen it on a computer screen I would have picked up on before he spoke.

@ianleonard3264 3 жыл бұрын

@@flash001USA ye im on my phone too i guess all i ever look for is bald and glasses apparently i dont look any closer as long as im given what im expected lmfao

@samba1412 3 жыл бұрын

Ian is a great addition to the team, one of the best teachers you’ve had

@yuichituba 3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree! He's great!

@PatrickChannonInPost 3 жыл бұрын

YES

@BlooblooPea 3 жыл бұрын

His explanations are simple and make sense to everyone :)

@scarab944 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Thorough explanations & contagious enthusiasm make for a great teacher.

@dinglebass 3 жыл бұрын

100%

@3020AlexA 3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear bass player & drummer discussing this type of thing. Really informative

@markblackstad8705 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this was very interesting. Most of this goes unsaid between drummer and bassist but breaking it down makes you think about it and see how you can improve or just even be more aware of what is going down.

@pd4165 3 жыл бұрын

I once tried to discuss playing around with the beat with the band's (not mine! I wanted him fired) drummer. I was explaining it in English, but the drummer was listening in Neanderthal. Without communication the marriage ended up in divorce...I left.

@johnd5398 10 ай бұрын

@@pd4165 welcome to drummers. Even the Muppets understood this concept.

@kingkongkungkwang 3 жыл бұрын

Everything about this video is confusing. The bassist looks like Scott, but the drummer sounds like Scott with American accent.

@devinebass 3 жыл бұрын

😂

@adamkrayevsky4563 3 жыл бұрын

Scott obviously has more personalities than one. I wonder how does it look like Scott the guitarist, Scott the vocalist, or Scott the dancer....

@MikeNevill3 3 жыл бұрын

It's the eyes .. I can tell it wasent them

@PeerHond69 3 жыл бұрын

@@adamkrayevsky4563 scott the dancer 😂 oh boy im gonna have some weird dreams tonight! 😂

@ricethelizard7713 3 жыл бұрын

Kind of reminds me of the Nolly playthrough, Scott playing some heavy chugs haha

@CarlKennedyMusic 3 жыл бұрын

One of the most valuable lessons in music and something understood by very, very few players or producers. This is another example that explains why quantizing sucks the life out of so many recordings. VERY WELL DONE GUYS!

@dylanadams1455 10 ай бұрын

Yes! Also how bands would organically speed up or slow down in certain parts of a song unconsciously, to match the energy of the section.

@smoothestbassist7086 10 ай бұрын

It didn't take me long to learn to hate the quantize function in my DAW for this very reason. Nothing else can wreck a really cool groove with one little click of a mouse button quite like it.

@trevorprice2490 10 ай бұрын

I mean, start off with quantizing, but couldn't digital tools give you the ability to move the drums or bass behind the beat exactly the way that sounds the best?

@future62 10 ай бұрын

@@trevorprice2490this is exactly what I do. Midi latency makes it hard to nail the timing so I quantize and fix my feel afterwards. Tools aren't good or bad it's just how you use them

@perpetualgrimace 3 жыл бұрын

I've heard so many people talk about feel, or playing behind the beat. This is the absolute best explanation I've come across. You made it make sense.

@tomasvanecek8626 Жыл бұрын

You have no idea.. read my comment above - not cos of me, but of John Paul Jones my man 😉 This is load of ... and you gotta be able to play it, thats it

@perpetualgrimace Жыл бұрын

@@tomasvanecek8626 yeah man I'll just scroll through the other 450+ comments until I find whatever it is you're talking about

@tomasvanecek8626 Жыл бұрын

@@perpetualgrimace Well it it is right at the top of the comments now.. like 2 hrs ago

@Gruuvin1 10 ай бұрын

@@tomasvanecek8626it's at the top of the comments ONLY FOR YOU, because that's how KZfaq works. The rest of us have no idea what you are rambling on about.

@tomasvanecek8626 10 ай бұрын

@@Gruuvin1 Yeah, the YT shadow banning for dissenting voices.. how gh3y 😘.. lets see, I repost the important part again: Messing playing behind the beat with just slowing down, my gosh.... the drummer has to play also behind, kick and snare ... you both can BE behind... but keeping the time, at the same time, with hihat or ride... understand ? Bit difficult for the drummer... but both of you are so so wrong here.. JP Jones and Bonham often stretched it .. they even competed how far behind they can get, see it here, 11:52 from JPJ himself : "we had a contest.. how far can you go.." 12:34 - "show us an example..." kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8eRZMSpr5yXgZs.html Boys.. get your act together :)

@zzzyzzzyzzzyxxx 3 жыл бұрын

What you are describing at around 7:20, re being a tad behind to let the drum transients through first is something that is often simulated in production vis a vis sidechaining a compressor on the bass track that is triggered by the kick. The effect is to lower the volume of the bass at the instant of the kick transient and then let the bass volume bloom back up as the compressor releases. I really enjoyed this video and have shared it with a few friends who have asked me to explain 'the pocket' and playing behind or on top. Thanks!

@BaronVonQuiply 3 жыл бұрын

That would probably remove some mud from my mixes. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.

@Gruuvin1 10 ай бұрын

This is interesting that you can do this in the effects chain, either during or post. It also makes me appreciate what musicians were capable of before recording technology developed.

@Phlizz 3 жыл бұрын

Ian is just great, it’s obvious that he’s an absolut genius on bass, still he breaks down the content in simple empathic explanations. always aware of the viewer/student.

@jdmarino 3 жыл бұрын

Love Ian's energy and ability to articulate technique. Adding Steve makes it better because of the drummer's perspective, but also because the 2 have a conversation. And we get to watch.

@dave-d 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent discussion. Like Flea said, "put the bass note in the middle of the drum beat". Easy to say. Years of work to hear and implement. Real value info right here. Thanks guys.

@1965JB 3 жыл бұрын

Love this actual discussion between a drummer and bass player. A lot of drummers I played with who had the “there’s only one way to groove, I know it and you don’t” attitude, which basically kills music, in my opinion. I played with a lot more drummers who didn’t need to say anything; 4 bars in and we both knew what’s up. Play with the musicians on stage, not some weird ideal.

@TheBoboMaker 10 ай бұрын

As a rhythmically challenged guitarist I'm just happy to be somewhere close to the beat.😂 Thanks for the demonstration guys. Gave me something to shoot for.

@rinathama 4 ай бұрын

Hey me and you are the same 😂😂😂my timing sucks.

@ricomajestic 3 ай бұрын

So what does the guitarist do when the bassist drummer start playing around the beat/

@ReallyDudeYouGottaHearThis 3 жыл бұрын

This is great. No one ever discusses this topic. It effects the feel and sound of the band So much. Especially if someone is on top of the beat and pushing things ahead. I play with a ton of drummers who always speed up by the end of the song and you can’t pull them back. Also big band horns are always doing big hits on the back side of the beat. It just feels right.

@faithbassed49 3 жыл бұрын

That bass is beautiful.

@normg2242 3 жыл бұрын

I've seen one in a store like this and the thin line around the pick guard was red, not black as it usually is. Looked so cool!

@madaxe79 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds fantastic too

@RCAvhstape 3 жыл бұрын

Fender calls that finish "antigua"

@walkerjohnclark 3 жыл бұрын

This is the best discussion I've ever heard on the nuances of feel or groove in contemporary music.

@Kubooxooki 3 жыл бұрын

Is there any way these two can just broadcast their conversations 24/7 and the rest of us can just sit back, learn, and send them some pizza and drinks to keep them alive?

@stephengoold 3 жыл бұрын

I'm super into this idea :)

@stefanoribas 3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha I'm in

@tristanshears3048 3 жыл бұрын

This was fantastic! They don’t talk about this in music school. I think it’s just expected that people know it.

@joshuabrice3800 3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy these two working together. Having a knowledgeable drummer talk about they're part is so helpful.

@RTOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely love Ian and Steve. I learn something every time.

@TeeCeeBee 3 жыл бұрын

This is great! Ive been waiting for someone to talk about this phenomenon. There are so many lessons about notes, modes and patterns, but not much about feel. Thanks for a great lesson.

@thumbthump 3 жыл бұрын

One of the top 2 or 3 teaching vids you've put out, Scott! Thanks to these guys.

@RKs_MusicLife 3 жыл бұрын

This is pure gold for every musician. PERIOD!

@BartKebab 10 ай бұрын

One of my favorite funk bands, Vulfpeck, actually has its own compressor program that it runs over Joe Dart's bass which (in addition to elevating his already amazing tone to a whole other level) also has the same effect you talk about in this video of making his notes "grow" out of the drum notes. You can hear this very well in Dean Town (obviously most of the work and tone is in Joe's fingers but I just thought it was an interesting thing to share)

@therealkpat 10 ай бұрын

As far as I know, in terms sound design with compressors, the amount you can shape the transients by playing with the attack parameter is in the milliseconds. I’m pretty sure what you refer to as Joe’s notes growing out of the drums is 99% to his credit as a great player. I might be wrong of course and the compressor IS the secret sauce

@evieatarax 10 ай бұрын

@@therealkpatVulf Compressor is one of the integral parts to Joe's iconic sound. Just like Cory uses a compressor - it's not to compensate for any lack of playing ability, it just makes the transients hit harder and more consistent. The "growing out" is also because of the compressor's relatively long, squishy release time.

@martybyrnemusic 10 ай бұрын

@@evieatarax I mean, obviously, in the studio things can and will be tweaked and tightened here and there. With compression (side chaining helping that "growing" effect) or just digital editing of individual notes to make them sit EXACTLY where everyone wants them. I am not saying Vulfpack can't play real tight in a live situation, but a commercial recording is going to tweak all of those notes (and if people say otherwise, they're lying)

@captbuscemi 3 жыл бұрын

Just brilliant! These two are among the best tutors on the SBL roster, I hope they do a heap more of these videos. Yes, and the Scott D/Ian A Inception thing is a freak-out, but I love it!

@biggerthanbliss5841 10 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the insight from this video. I've tried explaining to some of my own bass students what it means to play behind the beat and this gives me a much clearer way of describing that. Thanks!

@sambrownonbass 3 жыл бұрын

This video is a masterpiece demonstration around this conversation, the best resource I've found for demonstrating the conversation and the physical approach to students - thank you both for this wonderful educational resource - Wish I'd had it 10 years ago!

@ryancasey1287 3 жыл бұрын

I'm really enjoying these SBL videos of Ian teaching some cool tips and making cool videos on albums and basses. He's such a great guy and I hope to keep seeing more of these kinds of videos. Keep 'em coming👍

@implayingsomebass4753 3 жыл бұрын

Two powerhouses in one video, unreal! Golden stuff you guys are putting out here. CLASS IS IN SESSION!

@matthewd6306 3 жыл бұрын

Rick Beato has been talking about this for years on his KZfaq channel. It allows both the punch of the Bass Drum and the tone of the bass the breath alittle.

@robnagelhoutmusic 10 ай бұрын

after I got the basics of playing the bass down, these concepts were exactly what I spent years working on so that they would be deliberate and second nature. Such an important aspect of your role as a bass player and rhythm section. Awesome video and well explained!

@jakekeys88music 2 жыл бұрын

Such a great lesson! Yes, the key is to really get dead on first and then grow from there. I love the way these two keep the conversation going, as it's not so much a lecture as it is a sharing of ideas from their perspectives and as if they were involving us as viewers in their discussion. No talking down to or dumbing it down for anyone either...it's purely accessible.

@mingusfan 3 жыл бұрын

I could absolutely listen to Ian and Steve talk and jam all day!

@BruceRichardsonMusic 3 жыл бұрын

The Scott body-double illusion is insane, hahahaha. And I can't believe you brought up Matt Chamberlain. I was thinking about him when you were having the discussion about the "tendency." Matt Chamberlain has had that magic feel since he was a kid at NTSU. Everything felt magic when he played. It wasn't anything that you could put your finger on. I called it the Matt Chamberlain Elasto-Groove. It was definitely a thing. I remember him pecking out a groove on that first Alesis drum machine, and he could make a one-sample drum machine groove the same way with that particular timing of his.

@luserdroog 3 жыл бұрын

This is brilliant! Not only great insight and analysis, but practical exercises for bass and drums to try together. Definitely going to try some of this stuff next time I'm with a drummer to quickly develop some shared vocabulary.

@seankent1807 3 жыл бұрын

Yeeeessss, this is great!! Once again: Ian Martin Allison for the WIN!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@benmalone6139 10 ай бұрын

This is terrific. Someone told me years ago that you find your feel during the songs Thanks for the lesson guys

@johannecousineau4343 3 жыл бұрын

As usual Ian, I really enjoy what you have to say and how you teach! Nice to hear Steve as well!

@tomd7504 3 жыл бұрын

Have to agree and add weight to the other comments: great format, great easy-to-understand and helpful tips, and also simply enjoyed the conversation. Well done and thanks!

@bobdoyle3490 Жыл бұрын

I've struggled with this concept. Now I think I get it. When he said it's like my note (bass) grows out of your note (drums). Light bulb moment.

@samcloake2421 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely sick! Things I’ve always wondered about but never had guts to broach or, coming from my amateur background, heard anyone else talk about. At all, never mind at this level. Cheers guys!

@georgecovetskie6717 Жыл бұрын

SO True ! I been playing bass since 1975 and out of all the things anyone ever showed me that improved my bass playing was exactly that ! Once I noticed this in the tunes I was learning, I was hooked! I found the behind the sceen sercret. I also noiticed how much it impacts the sound and feel of the tune. Bands and other musicians started noticing the difference in my playing and started calling me more for gigs. Even today, If I go listen to a band and the players, I notice how many bass players just Hit the bass from begining to end and never notice what they can do to improve that little thing. Thanks for sharing that. It was well worth it.

@devinebass Жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking out the video! Glad you enjoyed it 🤘🏻

@RenatoLeiteBass 3 жыл бұрын

I always thought that way, I am very happy to see it well explained. I played an entire season of the musical "We will rock you" with that mentality. The explanations about the transients and the muffling, very good.

@dogeatsock 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for putting in to words what I’ve always experienced in regards to feel and playing with drummers

@normg2242 3 жыл бұрын

Ian is a great guy to step in for ya, Scott. He has the same very amiable personality and passion not only for the bass, but also for sharing what he know as you do. I really like him and look forward to more videos. You,ve got a winner here. I must say that the same goes for the drummer. You seem to pick your folks very carefully and with good success. Keep it up, buddy!. Love it!

@fromthistexasbreath 3 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a video with Ian, Scott, and Nolly, for the ultimate confusing video of 3 great bass players who look alike...

@markblackstad8705 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm digging the American Scott clone!

@blueplateradio2 3 жыл бұрын

Great job, very informative, fun, enlightening and thought provoking. More please!

@gimmeagig 3 жыл бұрын

Great lesson. These guys are wonderful teachers

@sylvaingagnon3211 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! So much wisdom from experience there.

@Cliffswanson 3 жыл бұрын

I love this presentation! I've tried, unsuccessfully, to explain playing behind the beat to a few non-musician friends and generally gotten a blank stare in response. Now I'm going to send a couple of them a link to this video and see what happens :-). Thanks for this.

@ianmackenzie686 3 жыл бұрын

Ian rocks! Great addition.

@jamesaladits4537 2 жыл бұрын

Fabulous Lesson! I learned something today! That's always a good thing! Thank You!

@jollkki4317 3 жыл бұрын

Beautifully explained! Very clear demonstration.

@balintperjesi6996 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome insights into groove, thank you guys...!

@user-yy6lu4bc7b 3 жыл бұрын

this has got to be the best course I've seen from this channel. What these guys are teaching me makes me want to join just to watch this course

@chrisjs6123 3 жыл бұрын

I ended up buying a lifetime subscription. It’s honestly worth trying monthly at least.

@londonemski 3 жыл бұрын

Do it! If you can afford it, go for it. So much great stuff in SBL. These two are particularly magnificent. So articulate and so practical.

@jamespeters3507 3 жыл бұрын

Im a member and I watched this course. I loved it. When I was done I texted a drummer friend of mine. The next week we sat down with a beer and watched it together. Really great stuff! Also we want more Ian!

@IanMartinAllison 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers James!

@derekrooney140 3 жыл бұрын

so ive been following you for a good year or so, i just wanna say thanks i get some awesome tips and it has really shaped my playing, when i put up a video i will tag you so you can see where im at, ive been playing for 15 years or so, this is the closest ive gotten to actual lessons im all 100% self tought

@pcartisan2721 2 жыл бұрын

GREAT Lesson! Brilliant! This is my next thing to practice - being accurate with the center, etc.

@tzvetanpetzev1221 3 жыл бұрын

What a fascinating and interesting concept! Great conversation! Thank you! :)

@paolozak3014 3 жыл бұрын

That's one I have been waiting for for a veeeeery long time. One magic moment in a fill is to start behind and then accelerate to get on top, and finally finish slightly behind. Chad Smith does that in one fill to If you have to Ask (live version)

@ErikSeverinson 9 ай бұрын

This is such an awesome discussion. Hard topic to cover!

@dylanadams1455 10 ай бұрын

As a guitarist, I love this channel. It really helps me appreciate the teamwork required for a good band. I've always thought of the pocket as more of an unconscious feel, I was just playing what I thought sounded good. I remember being in a two guitar band, and I would always be a little behind the other guy. I just liked the groove!

@devinebass 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the love, fellow musician! Groove and teamwork are indeed essential in any band, and it's great that you appreciate the subtleties of the pocket. Keep jamming and grooving! 🙌🏻🧡🔥

@carmelofernandez9020 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic. Thanks a lot for this...

@nathanwahl9224 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty cool. What shocked me as I listened is how much our drummer and I do vary it during different songs. He keeps the tempo going very well when I'm behind, so maybe we just get it, or maybe he doesn't trust me! Never really thought about it for a while, but another drummer friend kinda taught me about it a long time ago. Man, he and I were tight. But it definitely shows up. Yeah, it feels good, we both get a smile going. And our guitar player knows it, and smiles too! Now I know why a little better! I'm going to have to share this one with our drummer! Thanky kindly!

@estarling8766 Жыл бұрын

A very friendly video. A wanted topic disussed in a open, clear way. Done with a wonderful camera in a very pro arrangemen.

@wyrlismike Ай бұрын

Very cool, would like this to be a regular series!

@LarsAquinonez 3 жыл бұрын

Super insightful and explained intuitively. Great lesson, SBL

@keithljarvis 10 ай бұрын

Great explanation. Really cleared this up for me.

@PepoVidal 3 жыл бұрын

Este video es de gran inspiración y gran ayuda. Como siempre, un gran contenido!!

@ybab-j Жыл бұрын

as someone who learns by example, this is one of the best videos i've ever seen. thank you thank you

@DavidGaliel 2 жыл бұрын

Piano/keys player here. This was brilliant. Clear, insightful and practical. Bravo!

@Crushin123 3 жыл бұрын

Ian has a great personality on camera, as if he is a buddy hanging out. Great playing here too guys. Excellent video.

@Wolkenkeller 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this epiphany how you want to hear the bass sound right after the drums transient.

@mishterpreshident 3 жыл бұрын

Great topic! So many vids focus on "how to play your instrument" with not enough focus on "how to play together," which is a skill of its own.

@sullenpuffin 3 жыл бұрын

Man I wish I’d had videos like these when I first started gigging and learning to sync with drummers. Awesome video!

@Danyael850 3 жыл бұрын

That's dope, would like more lessons like that!

@ry5499 10 ай бұрын

Such a great video. Thank you team

@grizelda4526 3 жыл бұрын

Great lesson. Thank you!

@PeranMe 3 жыл бұрын

This was super interesting, thanks for sharing this!

@ciarancosgrave 10 ай бұрын

A perfect example being the bass on "If You Want Me To Stay" by Sly And The Family Stone

@nicks.8003 10 ай бұрын

Your gut is correct. That’s why when producers were able to (with hardware) they started hating the bass to the kick drum. The bass note only sounded once the drummer “triggered” the gate. Cool video!

@-Thunder 3 жыл бұрын

This was a really great lesson. Thanks!

@darkgladiator27 3 жыл бұрын

I like how the few notes the guy played felt more meaningful than all I'll probably ever be able to achieve with my bass

@jwest707 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t say that bro Keep practicing His playing is really meaningful but there’s no reason yours can’t be. If you put in the time and get after it, there’s nothing that can stop you. :)

@BigSwoleMusick 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Scott! I have learn a lot from your videos!

@Auxend 10 ай бұрын

So good! Thanks guys. ❤ loved the transient relationship perspective.

@pupoctus 10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for this!

@basbakker 3 жыл бұрын

Very good conversation! Thx

@abath07 2 жыл бұрын

I like how Ron Carter jazz walks ahead of the drummers.

@RonSmith472 3 жыл бұрын

Playing behind is best played when the groove is locked in. Most heard in R&B, as the drummer and bass player begin to add space between their notes playing around the groove.

@paulpaul00 3 жыл бұрын

One of the best Lessons at SBL!

@chindodawg 10 ай бұрын

Great discussion. Thanks

@crimfan 3 жыл бұрын

The bass and drums need to work as a team, so having a lesson with both makes total sense. I never know if Ian or Scott are doing the videos from the thumbnails, but I am sure I'll be learning something useful!

@fishcadet 10 ай бұрын

This is so incredibly valuable.

@juanbcn83 2 жыл бұрын

Minute 7:30 is pure gold. Is the perfect example for get timing of a lot of blues songs. For me there are a perfect example: Freddie King - Same old blues. If you pay attention the bass and the kick drum sounds like Ian are saying. Masterclass

@christianrenard9416 3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful explaination !

@deanroddey2881 3 жыл бұрын

I always think about D'Angelo's "It Ain't Easy". That's like the greasiest, nastiest use of that sort of drunk late-groove feel to me. On the smacking thing, if the bass and drums are well segregated into their own frequency spaces well, having the drums and bass being right on top of each other is an incredibly powerful and punchy thing. I love the kick and drum being super-tight and sounding like one instrument in a way.