Nice. It was for "Science". Hey you'll never know until you "stress test".

Wonder if he has any Quake prototypes lying around, it was a vastly different game.

John Carmack is an eldritch being, he's seen every possible reality of this video's existence and nonexistence.

He famously doesn’t look back all that much

Lol, like he doesn't have better stuff to do...

@@protocetid doubt it, Romero is the most likely source, though he was done at ID by the end of Quake 1

It was pretty awesome. I was working at Intel at the time, and I got to test out some of the very first 3D accelerated video cards, AGP video card technology, and the advent of USB. I miss those days.

Its still the same, even more excitet imo. Just buyed a rtx card few months ago, awesome times, but i still play n64 games on the emulator sometimes, i also like the more abstract graphics of old games some modern games uses. Im 20 years we play on complete new kinds of hardware technologys and looking back to this very exciting times😎

@ammonitida Interestingly Carmack was postulating virtualized geometry after working on mega textures for Rage, before he shifted on to VR. This is what initially inspired the Epic graphics programmer to pursue the UE5 approach if I recall.

It was the golden age of PC gaming

@@DubElementMusic Moore's Law has practically ground to a halt and now the most we can expect is a new process technology/architecture with a modest performance increase, it's nothing like the days of moving from 386 to 486 to Pentium, Pentium II etc. where we were advancing by orders of magnitude every few years.

The channel, Ahoy, is good for gaming documentaries, including id games. Throwing it out there just in casr

@@purebaldness To add to your recommendation. Summoning Salt makes fantastic documentaries on the history of speedrun records. ‘S’ tier storytelling - highly recommended.

Another great recommentation for channels that cover retrospectives & video games history very well are: NoClip & Raycevick

@@purebaldness I was going to recommend Ahoy and Retro Ahoy, that guy is next level

@@cloudbloom been on YT for about 12 years or so, whilst dodging exploitative, algorithm chasing BS in recent years, as much as I can and I can safely say he's my favourite uploader, ever.

Quake's soundtrack still sounds incredibly modern to these ears. It's just as unsettling today as it was back in 1996.

Not only the soundtrack, Reznor produce every sound you hear in the game.

I heard it countless times, and it always reminds me of the Diablo 1's soundtrack from Blizzard North. These two games are so alike, dark fantasy but mostly medieval. You can see tortured and torn people in both game's dungeons.

Quake might be the first game I pirated on a 32k modem. No soundtrack though, I didn't know what I was missing.

Quake was my introduction to NIN. i was also baffled how they put a full soundtrack on the same disc as the game itself

Yeah, modern FPS's prioritize covers, aiming down sights and sniping while Quake is more about impulsively blasting rockets at whatever moves before your face. Having played Q1 for years, my first reaction to early console FPS's like Halo was as if it's playing in slo-mo.

@@abadenoughdude300 and then Quake 2’s rail gun is as good a test of accuracy as anything that came after

%100 I grew up on COD and Battlefield and only started playing quake when the remaster came out on PS4, its now one of my favourite games ever. Deathmatches have a pace that I always wanted but never knew existed.

@@elismightyplays1282 Nothing will ever come close to Q1 deathmatch.

What fascinated me most about the predecessor Doom, as well as about Q1, was the aggression of the opponents against each other and using it strategically.

very much so

Agreed, but you can use a modern renderer like vkQuake and just turn off texture filtering to maintain that look.

Whenever I load up a source port like Quakespasm for the first time on a system, the first thing I do is tweak it to resemble the software renderer as much as possible. Hell, I even turn off animation interpolation because the choppy animations are just so iconic to me.

@@LonelySpaceDetective same here!!! Gl_texturemode 0, r_lerpmodels 0, r_lerpmove 0 , and weapons positioning, scr_ofsx -5 assuming the POV is 100.

Yeah thats why I turn off a lot of the texture filters

You're absolutely right. Diary of a Camper was the one that started it all.

The Seal of Nehahra is the one i remember the most. What a great piece of Art that was :) This was always the Quake Story in a movie. It was perfect!

Quake also started the internet

Quake invented inventions

"What do you call an alien with three balls?"

If you still remember, what appeared to be the major difference between the two, back then? Graphics?

@@francescoberta It was a combination of things. But I would say the animation of enemies and lighting is what sealed the deal for me.

That was EXACTLY my experience. I said those same words about Doom lol.

Quake in general is amazing

@@TheRealJochen DigitalFoundry kicks ass when it comes to quality and professionalism. Brilliant.

Same. That gothic gloominess is part of why it appeals to me so much.

Actually there are indie FPS games on Steam right now trying to replicate the mood and feel of Q1. You can also make your own Q1 based on the source ports than Dark10X mentioned.

If you have a Sega Saturn, check out the WIP game Hellslave.

That's why it's my favourite. Not a fan of the generic sci-fi direction.

Oh that ambient moody music, made my hair stand on end, made the game do scarily atmospheric

lol, don't think I've heard mention of RAVE in, like, decades.

OH MY GOD I FORGOT ABOUT RAVE

I still have the mac version, with the scary game manual.

He should have been afraid of Randy Pitchford. Which reminds me, how greasy is Randy?

@@mjc0961 it doesn't matter how greasy, he still can't get women wet.

In all fairness, the fact that DN3D managed to stand its ground against Quake and is still remembered as a classic and an important entry in the history of FPSes shows the validity of that quote at the time, and in some ways it still works since the Quake series nowadays is kind of treated as id's red-headed step-child (though not as much as RAGE or Keen at least). You know what joke didn't age nearly as well? In the shitty Christmas-themed level pack for DN3D, there's a level named "The Land of Forgotten Toys", and there's a section based on the classic first level from DOOM. Hahaha, ahahaha, I don't think I need to explain that. All that said, the state that Duke is in right now is definitely a massive shame. Thanks Randy!

Now both are dead

@@mjc0961 Randy bo bandy is just grease all the way through, he's transcended humanity just to become a congealed blob of unpleasant sticky goop.

Yep, since vkQuake already runs great with Vulkan it would be a good starting point. Think they chose Q2 because of the colored lighting.

why is this comment 4 weeks old

@@Jabroni_69 This is very odd indeed.

How is this comment older than the video??

@@Jabroni_69 people who donate money to the channel get to see videos early

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"My generation" sounds so boomer lol

@@damsen978 absolutely not, but whatever makes you feel like a chimp champ.

@@M.W.H. Literal boomer stereotypical response too. Truly amazing...

@@damsen978 no, it's a normal human response to someone who thinks like he's news.

@@M.W.H. sure lmfao, keep thinking that and go deeper into your egotistic boomer hole. Any generation can still enjoy Quake as much as anyone did back in the 90s, if not more because even the current generation's low-end PCs can run the game without any problems, Quake destroyed PCs back in 1996.

the corners of his glasses do weird stuff :P

It would have been homebrew b/c Q1 was never officially ported to DC.

Was it Simpsons Quake?

my alcoholism makes me forget too...

I love homebrew and beta/unreleased game. There is a homebrew and a "demo" if Quake for DC I still have copies sitting on a CD spindle. 😅 HL Blue Shift was great on DC. Back in the day i downloaded a few versions of Thrill Kill, unreleased MK2, betas of Tony Hawk for PSX. Now it's cool you can easily find things like Ecco 2 and Castlevania for DC.

Yea there two different games

You joke, but it was Quake that brought mouselook into the mainstream for FPSes AFAIK. At the very least, WASD originated in its competitive scene. EDIT: I know games like Marathon and Duke 3D did it first, but I don't think mouses were really seen as that important for FPSes by most people before Quake came along.

@@LonelySpaceDetective Well said - I remember having to adjust to Quake, and it was a huge adjustment (especially playing against others through QuakeWorld). Nobody I knew (or ever met) used mouselook in any FPS prior to it.

@@LonelySpaceDetective you're right, Descent was out already though, iirc, but i remember Quake at release being the first real fps with mouselook. Been playing them since then, with inverted y axis.. cause of flight sims, Epic, Wing Commander etc

@@Owdaks games like decent were played with a joystick or keyboard only.

A friend lent me their copy - fantastic read!

I just starting reading that book, it's really good so far

Have it wishlisted on Amazon

Read it back in 2012, such an excellent read. Once I read the last sentence I was still left wanting more.

I really want to read that

The first time this video was released it was bad timing because Geeks & Gamers already did a detailed retrospective. Now it happens they've released a remaster after this video has come out. Bad luck or what? 😆

@@pferreira1983 Geeks and Gamers is not a Gaming focused channel despite what its channel name says, it's a channel focused more on cultural war stuff and making all sorts of drama videos ranting about non Gaming related stuff (unless its The Last of Us 2 where that's the only Gaming related thing they talk about nonstop) like Marvel, Disney Star Wars, etc. KZfaq's algorithm favors that channel making negative/drama related content, so anything non drama Gaming related they do (like their Quake retrospective video) will not reach nearly the same amount of views as Digital Foundry's videos; in fact, G+G's Quake video hasn't even gotten to 20,000 views while Digital Foundry's Quake 1 DF video is already at the 250,000 view landmark despite G+G's Quake video being 6 months old and DF's Quake video being 3 months old. Plus Digital Foundry has *way* more subscribers than Geeks and Gamers, so by default DF's videos will get more views than G+G's videos. Also Digital Foundry's content is way more unique and in depth than whatever stuff Geeks and Gamers has to say in Gaming because Digital Foundry focuses a lot more on the technical and game design aspects of Gaming rather than the other aspects of Gaming like cultural impact and other stuff which G+G focuses more on. Comparing Geeks and Gamers with Digital Foundry should not even be a thing considering how different both channels are in terms of size, the type of content they release, the type of audiences they have, and their channel goals.

@@generalcjg That's a shame as well since their Quake retrospective was almost as detailed as this one. As soon as this video was released I thought I'd seen it before. 😂

It’s almost like they saw all the hard work that was done on this video and went “You know what’d be funny?”

@@late_night_coder6112 I know! 😂

lol

I remember feeling like a dummy when I spammed rockets at the shamblers on the Ziggurat map on hard mode after reading up about that.

I've been playing Quake for over 15 years, before I knew that.

Sort of similar case with the cyberdemon in Doom, too; it takes no splash damage, so a considerable amount of damage is lost when using rockets against it, but the main difference there is it's still worth it because they do more DPS than any other weapon except the plasma gun and BFG.

To quote a certain prisoner forced to review games for the internet: "You ought to remember: Shamblers are explosion *resistant*, not explosion *proof*."

@@GrammerPancreas Doom kind of trolls you when it comes to the Cyberdemon, since his first appearance comes in a level that gives you a rocket launcher immediately and has tons of rocket pickups! It's been a while since I played through Quake so I can't remember what weapons are available when the Shambler first shows up.

My old crew has apparently already rounded up the troops in the last few months to play some Q4 CTF and Duels again. I was just about to go reinstall all my Quakes again. lol and this video pops up

Same here, and I had the Saturn version only. Don't think I ever beat it though because the battery for saving games has been dead for as long as I can remember. I had to leave the system on the entire time I was playing a game if I ever wanted to complete it.

Probably because Quake 2 is a better technical achievement than it is a good game worth playing... SP falls flat, DM is still very solid though.

Arcane Dimensions is a great reason to revisit too

@@BobsRevenge its the Quake sequel we never got, and probably will never get since Microsoft owns it now

@@protocetid do you mean that version or quake in general cause I think Id software is working on quake right now

I have one sitting on the floor in my bedroom. It may or may not work. All yours for S&H ;-) Sadly, all of my ViewSonics are history :-( Another case where "retro" tech is better, if less convenient.

yes

No, I was confused for a second as well when I first heard it.

Ha, yes, until it finally came on screen.

same

Since second time, First sound GL Quake.

Interesting.....I'm going to have to check this out, thanks

Pinnacle of eSports IMO. In league with Street Fighter and StarCraft

@@purebaldness esports has never been bigger than LoL tho.

I played Q1 and Q2 a lot, hundreds of hours each... but never got into Q3... Unreal Tournament was released 3 days before Q3 and in my opinion is a much more enjoyable and different experience... Q3 was the absolute downhill by not being a sucessor to Q2... one of my top 10 games of all time.

@@HeloisGevit that's mostly because LoL wasn't released in 1999. Online gaming is many magnitudes bigger now than it was back then.

Quake 3 was fantastic in so many ways, I just wish it had an actual campaign too.

It's not just nostalgia either, the Quake, Quake 2, Quake 3 era truly was the golden age of PC gaming.

@@hannibalb8276 Yes

@@hannibalb8276 and it's still lasting. Nostalgia would be saying that it ended.

I did Digiornos! Because it's not delivery..

Considering the nature of the Saturn port, I wouldn't be surprised if the monster animations were redone and/or somehow handled differently. Personally, I kinda love the look of the animations without interpolation. It just feels *right* for Quake in a way I can't really put into words.

@@LonelySpaceDetective it kind of fits for the unsettling and almost unreal (ha) horror aspect. I think it was the first terminator film, where the t1000 was animated at a slightly lower framerate than the film reel ran at, giving it an unsettlingly jerky and unnatural feel. it's probably something similar

its literally the jump from ps1 resolution to better picture quality than a ps2

@@dmer-zy3rb More like Dreamcast resolution. Not many games on the PS2 rendered at that resolution.

I was just thinking about this-a nice re release on modern platforms

There's a way to put your xbone into dev mode to be able to sideload windows store apps. That's probably the most realistic way to get it done nowadays.

@@iwantthemoonback1722 It's Quake's 25th anniversary soon as well as E3 around the same time. So we can only hope

Why, play on PC it does everything and it's where they were made. vkQuake runs this at 500fps on a 144Hz it's glorious. Xbox is a child's toy.

@@JFinns Keep that school yard talk out of here and let the grown ups enjoy things

I remember that it was tried but it was a disaster even as a prototype. I don't remember what magazine it was that had a blurb on it. But to be fair the Jaguar was a disaster all around. Where the few 32x + Sega CD games are essentially as good as a Jaguar game. So, considering how weird the Sega Saturn port was. One can only imagine how bad a Jaguar port would had been.

To be fair, even the PS1 port of Quake 2 is more of a reimplementation than a direct port. And PS1 also has 2 MB system RAM.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who wants this

Agreed. Instead of glory kills, though, a mix of melee / traditional Quake-style combat and movement is in order. Let's make that axe far more useful.

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