DF54 Grinder Review - The NEW Affordable Flat Burr!

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In this video, we have a look at the brand new DF54, a budget king in the world of espresso grinding. Never before have we seen an espresso grinder at this price, with flat burrs, and certainly not with such a solid build. This machine comes with 54mm espresso tuned burrs, metal build, a 150 watt motor, single dosing, and even a de-ionizer to reduce static!
It really is a no brainer to recommend. I think this is going to quickly change the landscape of the budding barista market.
DF54: "Baratza ESP, Fellow Opus, hold my beer."
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Beans used: Martyrmuehle Autostrada 70% robusta, 30% arabica
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:59 Disclaimer
1:36 Build and Features
5:22 Grinding with the DF54
6:04 Single Dosing Workflow
7:26 Espresso Shot
9:39 Grinder Takedown
11:15 Retention Test
12:30 Verdict
13:36 Comparisons
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MiiCoffee DF54 Grinder Review - The New GoTo Grinder

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@ammarmohammad5401 5 ай бұрын

I usually don't comment on videos, but thank you for sharing your insights. It is refreshing to see someone not talking about grinder brands that are not affordable to most people out there. I put order for the DF54. Cheers from Canada 🍁

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

Awesome, thanks for the feedback, and I think you'll quite like this grinder. Cheers!

@RorieShade 27 күн бұрын

And how do you like it??

@HenryPiffpaff 3 күн бұрын

So, what's your opinion on it? :)

@FaithAndCoffeeBean 5 ай бұрын

I am really thinking about getting one!!! Great video Tom, love your channel ☕️👍🏽😎 hello from Florida ☕️

@aleksander6874 4 ай бұрын

It's my first comment on youtube since years. You Sir are doing such a great job! Great content, helpful tips, easy to process, quality editing. I have a Delonghi Dedica for years - used it default... Now I will push it to the limits :D

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the kind feedback! Now enjoy your Dedica. :) Tom

@giorgossfakianakis7163 4 ай бұрын

Your channel is so underrated and the content you're creating is unique. Keep it up we love it!

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

That's so kind of you to say, thank you!

@JW-ez1kt 5 ай бұрын

Tom you’re the greatest.. great video

@SunriseLAW 5 ай бұрын

Another small thanks for this great community. I posted a comment regarding hand-grinders. As a result of the dialog, I successfully cancelled an order made yesterday. Instead, I went with the Kingrinder 6 that had an awesome coupon and as a user mentioned, was featured here. Thank you again!.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for your support!

@berdman2353 Ай бұрын

Hello from Singapore. After watching your videos, I took the plunge and bought the EC685 (my very 1st espresso machine) and the DF54. I am a noob and your videos helped a great in my by espresso journey. I am an Americano guy and will use 16g fresh coffee beans with 16.5 setting as well. Yes, I bought all the stuff you recommended in your EC685 Ultimate video. I have a Kingrinder K4 and I am using it on the Outin Nano but its a challenge getting the right setting for it. Iy's either under or over extracting. lol. Thanks again, Tom!!

@TomsCoffeeCorner Ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, and have fun experimenting!

@pogromcywgniecen4666 5 ай бұрын

Great test, I I'm waiting for availability in Poland, just like the Apex express.

@nztitirangi 5 ай бұрын

great timing thanks, helped me decide on the sage.

@meamjustme 5 ай бұрын

I love my DF64 gen 2. Had it for a few months now. I wanted low retention. Single dose. And something that would do espresso and filter. And not to much static. Thus the DF64 G2 was my choice. This however would looks like a smaller version of that. Given the price i wil recommend this to friends over the heavier price of the bigger version.

@kitcraft9516 5 ай бұрын

I said it on another video, but this is the grinder that I didn't know I was waiting for. There is nothing "wrong" with my ESP but I think I'd like the adjustability and workflow on this better. Plus, the ESP can stick around for decaf. Thank you for the video, as always! Looking forward to the next one.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

For repeated, every day use, I honestly prefer a hoppered version myself. But the quality on this is certainly better than the ESP.

@kitcraft9516 5 ай бұрын

I get that but I don't much care for hopper dosing with the ESP. If it was something with a timer function, sure. @@TomsCoffeeCorner

@alaskavaper966 4 ай бұрын

The DF54 is a no-brainer! I currently have an early gen1 DF64. One could currently buy 2 DF54’s for less than the price I paid for my DF64. Life is great!.

@benzmobil 4 ай бұрын

Thats a very promising grinder! Where I live it costs almost the same as specialita (around 350 euro) which makes it the direct competitor.

@olew.9402 5 ай бұрын

Great video Is the machine suitable for getting started with light roasts?

@ChickenWalkerable 4 ай бұрын

I bought Dedica after watching your channel. I've paired with Smart Grinder Pro. Today, I preordered DF54 after watching this video!

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

Great to hear! Have fun with your setup!

@HenryPiffpaff 3 күн бұрын

So, what's your opinion on it? :)

@noControl556 5 ай бұрын

Really wish that was available a couple of years ago. I started out with a Mignon Facile for about $150 more, then spent another $100 on a bellows hopper and an updated dial system. Works out ok but really have to work the bellows to get all the retention out and still holds on to about .2g you can see switch from light to dark roast. I've added the new DF64 gen II and it's great so would expect this to perform similarly.

@yoanperez172 5 ай бұрын

It's probably the best value for money grinder

@golovaa3973 26 күн бұрын

Nice video. Thanks.

@thethirdman225 22 күн бұрын

As someone who is new to electric grinders, this looks like what I need. The Breville is a great price but probably a bit more complex than what I need. I don’t care so much about the grind time as much as I care about the single dose setup. There’s one setting so I can concentrate on the most appropriate grind for the machine. I think I will pair it with the Breville dual boiler unit.

@MrCrownJ 13 күн бұрын

Just ordered one to go with a cafelat. Thanks!

@latenightinterview291 4 ай бұрын

I like your channel Tom. I love that you just whip out a 200-300 dollar delongi machine to do this test. LOL You're the man bro. Very relaxing and honest review from a guy who clearly has apathy for us poor folks. lol

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

Thanks very much for the kind comment, and your feedback. 👍🏻

@weirdflex271 3 ай бұрын

Just ordered mine on Monday. Says it should be here Thursday, pretty stoked about it.

@HenryPiffpaff 3 күн бұрын

So, what's your opinion on it? :)

@weirdflex271 2 күн бұрын

@@HenryPiffpaff It’s been great. I would definitely recommend it for a cost efficient option that looks really good. Takes a little time to dial in but performs like a champ. No regrets at all with this purchase.

@beozzie690 5 ай бұрын

Oh nice Tom.. I still think you need to take the show on the road! Starnberg is a lovely place to start! We have a lake, and definitely in need of some great espresso instruction 😅

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Is that an invitation?

@beozzie690 5 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner anytime mate.

@BigBenAdv 5 ай бұрын

Great review on the DF54! It does seem like a most excellent budget option and if I didn't already own a (1st gen DF64), I'd buy this. Qn: Does it have an easily removable chute for cleaning?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Nope, you have to remove several screws after removing the upper burr chamber. So, I'd say no it's not easy.

@CelioAdilson 5 ай бұрын

Super. I just wish it was a bit lighter because the weight has a big influence on shipping.

@horseshoeoverlook6057 5 ай бұрын

As a European I’m looking for a grinder that does espresso and drip coffee really well. Think the Wilfa uniform is my best option still.

@kattlopena3809 4 ай бұрын

hey tom, can you make a video talking about the differences of cold start and hot start. the pros and cons.. there’s really not a whole lot of videos talking about it here

@jimmythefish 5 ай бұрын

I’d consider this as a second grinder (paired with a hopper grinder) for decaf and trying other beans out.

@RavenSWE 5 ай бұрын

That’s a good idea, I never bother running 2 different beans in parallel because I don’t like to lose the setting, this could be a little brother to my DF83!

@donaldduck9214 5 ай бұрын

Great and detailed review as usual, please allow me to ask if i could fit my 51mm portafilter on the cup's place,so that ican have the coffee grinding straight in my portafilter(sorry, English not my mother language)

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Yes, it fits well, but you'll still have to hold the handle, or it will fall down. Cheers!

@goldfish8196 3 ай бұрын

Tom could you please make a comparison between the d40 and the df54? Conical vs flat - Thanks

@joanchristineflores1172 4 ай бұрын

Question: for espresso purposes. Conical burrs or flat burrs and why? Thank you.

@Schnabeltierx 3 ай бұрын

Servus Tom, Thank you for the awesome review! I’ve also read your blogpost about this machine and in the end you state that “for that [price in Germany] you could get a Eureka Mignon Manuale, Classico, or nearly a Specialita”, which makes it sound like those could be the better deal. The DF54 currently is 330€, the Eureka Mignon Zero costs about the same here. Which one would you recommend getting? For my use case I highly value low retention and build quality. Or would it make more sense to spend a bit more and go for the DF64 Gen2 (490€), EMIL T64 (450€), or Eureka Single Dose (560€)? Any advice is appreciated. Thank you!

@tomlouisbleck147 2 ай бұрын

Nice Video, is this one also available in Germany with EU/german plug (230V/50Hz)?

@mtnlover 5 ай бұрын

I am excited at this option! Thank you for sharing. We have the SK40: I was excited to get a stepless grinder that was affordable. Control was really good for grind size. The only disappointment is that I thought the flavor is a bit muddled. We use mostly light to medium roast single origin and want the unique flavors to come through. I know flat burrs are more recommended for this, but we couldn't afford 500 for one. In your opinion, does this 54 mil flat burr improve flavor enough to notice from the SK40? Can you do a comparison of the two, seeing as they are priced in the same ballpark? Thank you!

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Well, this also has espresso focused burrs inside. So, I am guessing neither will be tuned for pour over. Maybe someone else has more input on this? I don't do a ton of pour over...

@mtnlover 5 ай бұрын

We do mostly espresso. occassionally a pourover @@TomsCoffeeCorner

@sidharthdhawan3938 3 ай бұрын

Hi Tom, love your videos, would this grinder combo with the dual boiler be a good setup? Thanks

@TomsCoffeeCorner 3 ай бұрын

Yes, I think so. It's a very good grinder, similar to the Specialita, which is my go to grinder. Cheers!

@FourIntoOne 5 ай бұрын

For the money it looks like a good option - but only if single dosing for espresso is you thing. The Opus and Baratzza encore esp offer a better use case for more general use maybe but this is certainly gonna be a success I reckon

@LOLBTLOLBT 5 ай бұрын

Flat burr, stepless, ionizer, 0 .1g retention, full metal for $200? C'mon, blow them out of the water

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

This certainly beats the Opus. ESP is still good for hoppered use though.

@RakanWD 5 ай бұрын

Seems to be a nice entry level grinder. People on budget nowadays have more options.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Heck yeah, it's a nice time to be in the hobby.

@s96822 5 ай бұрын

it will be very popular no doubt. in asia there is a 60mm flat titanium burr single dose with bellows grinder for about the price of df54. "Coffee Grinder 520N"

@TheSatisfiedPig 5 ай бұрын

#DF54 I'm definitely interested. Been looking to upgrade my grinder. I don't have an espresso machine yet, kinda torn between getting a Flair or a similarly priced machine. I wonder if the Flair 58 is better than a machine priced around the same or not though.

@TheGandravi 2 ай бұрын

Great video, this one and the others about affordable grinders, love your channel. Do you have a suggestion how to buy this from Europe, Serbia and not to spend 400 EUR with shipping taxes?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 2 ай бұрын

Europe charges import fees - no way around that.

@TheGandravi 2 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Can you please review the DeLonghi KG521 grinder?

@wolverinegnr Ай бұрын

Hi Tom What was the clicking sound when you were screwing the top burr back on? I noticed you backed off Thanks

@andyrawlins 4 ай бұрын

Great video, thanks Tom. How does this compare to the D40+ that you reviewed recently please? I'm unsure about the difference between conical and flat burr grinders.

@joleau1 2 ай бұрын

Yes, am wondering too. I have the D40+. Am really happy with it. Quiet, fluffy grounds, very low retention and grinds so fine. So am really curious how it fares in comparison with the flat burr DF54.

@joleau1 2 ай бұрын

DF54 I understand has alignment issues, which is pretty common?

@andyrawlins 2 ай бұрын

@@joleau1 oh! Could you elaborate please?

@joleau1 2 ай бұрын

@@andyrawlins from some reviews I read. Also miicoffee has a video about it titled How to align fd54 burrs. I believe it could have been a handful of units or a production batch which may have somehow missed the QC and could be sent back to be fixed.

@johnmercado6138 3 ай бұрын

How would this compare in grind quality to a manual grinder like the J-max/ultra

@ConstantineXXVI 2 ай бұрын

Awesome videos Tom! I am torn between this one and the Specialita. What would you suggest? I could actually get the Specialita for around 100euros more. I could still SD the specialita. But the build/quality etc seems to be better on the Specialita. Just the small dial could be a challenge. What do you recommend between the 2 for a first timer and just drinking espresso? Thanks.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 2 ай бұрын

Idk. They are both pretty excellent. I think I would go for the Eureka for potential resale value, if you ever sell it. But honestly, they’re both very good.

@goldfish8196 3 ай бұрын

Tom, which portafilter did you use on these video?

@fumble_brewski5410 5 ай бұрын

Well, at a selling price of $229 USD, it's not exactly what some people would define as "affordable." Under $100 would be more in line with that definition. But for those who are willing to spend the money, it appears to be an excellent product. Cheers.

@user-ml4qu5fk3u 6 күн бұрын

Hi Tom Can you compare it with Kingrinder K2 in terms of grinding, regardless of price and convenience? I have a K2 and was wondering if I get anything if I buy the DF54 other than the electric motor?

@amrbadr1702 5 ай бұрын

Great video Tom! I have a silly question, does the wooden lid sits in place if you don't use the bellow at all?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Nope, it doesn't...

@amrbadr1702 5 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks Tom! I’ll probably order the df64 gen 2 anyway

@Earendilvingilot13 5 ай бұрын

I should have waited for this instead of opus fellow even tho I don’t have any complaints with it beside the confusing dialing in.

@GoonieGooGoo910 4 ай бұрын

The build looks similar to the other DF series. Since you mentioned a DF83, I own a DF83v2. I have consistentcy issues with it. Meaning, light-medium roast, I find I have to adjust the grind size on back to back shots by a significant amount. After about 6 grind sessions I can go from 8 down to 4. I’m wondering if the DF54 behaves similarly? I never figured out the problem with the DF83 but am guessing it might be heat related. This looks like a neat grinder and I might be tempted if I did not own the Baratza Vario W+, which I find great for batch brewing.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

The setting really shouldn't be walking like that. I'd contact the seller and see if you can get a replacement, or if maybe he can point you in the right direction to fix that walking...

@theodorehartman5086 5 ай бұрын

In the low cost category you didn't mention the Baratza Encore ESP. So I think everybody assumes the DF 54 would do a better job making espresso grinds because that's all it can do. Please do a head to head comparison if you can. With all of these grinder reviews and there have been tons in the last two or three months I don't see the encore ESP much but when I do the reviewers seem to think it's the all to end all so anyway I'd like to see how the ESP stacks up

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Well, they're quite different. Conical vs Flat. Hoppered vs single dose. I like the ESP for it's workflow, and DF54 for its quality. But they're both quite capable.

@Dennis_To 5 ай бұрын

Already pre-ordered DF54

@kattlopena3809 5 ай бұрын

me too.. i can’t wait. this will be my first electric grinder so i’m a little giddy. watched all the review i can get my hands into since i’m indecisive but i jumped the gun

@HenryPiffpaff 3 күн бұрын

So, what's your opinion on it? :)

@Dennis_To 3 күн бұрын

@@HenryPiffpaff a little bit disappointed, plasma generator real crap, after every 50-60 grams required to clean it or use water spay on beans

@HenryPiffpaff 3 күн бұрын

@@Dennis_To hmm, okay :/ and taste-wise?

@Dennis_To 3 күн бұрын

@@HenryPiffpaffwith taste all fine for me

@funyuns101 4 ай бұрын

Tom, Thoughts on this vs. the DF64 gen2? Is the 64mm version worth the cost up?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

I'd go for this. The price is incredible. 64mm allows you to try different burrs, which I think is the main attraction to paying more for the D64.

@naseausderhuette 5 ай бұрын

I got the KitchenAid grinder and I love everything about it, but unfortunately it doesn’t grind fine enough. 16g Shots take only 17 seconds

@hickoco7231 5 ай бұрын

Often wandered what the impact is of the screws within the burrs. The burr cutting edges and geometry are so carefully engineered but yet they then have great holes, edges and screw heads where the screws are. Is this just a shortcut/cost saving compared to putting the screws somewhere else? Or does it really not matter to the resulting grinds?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

They need the holes to mount the burrs to their carriers. There are however some grinders with ghost burrs, which are mounted differently. But that's also more expensive...

@jason0938 5 ай бұрын

I have been going back and forth on decision for grinder and had just landed on the Turin SK40. Would this be a big upgrade since it has a larger flat burr? I mostly espresso but like to switch it up to a French press sometimes. Is this worth the wait and is it that much better than the sk40?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Some people like flat over conical, or vice versa. I like this better than the SK40, just because the grinder is physically much more stout in its build.

@BerdLow Ай бұрын

Please review the Varia VS3 Gen3

@DamnZodiak 5 ай бұрын

It's kinda annoying that it has to be restated with each one of these DF grinders but this does not cost 220 quid in Europe. It's AT LEAST 320 after shipping and taxes. Probably more. EDIT: just checked. It's 325 in Germany.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

You are right about that. I should’ve checked first and included that in the video. I did do a write up of it on my website, in the last section: tomscoffeecorner.com/df54-review/

@milyon0323 4 ай бұрын

What is the advantage of getting the DF54 over D40+? I'm on the fence trying to compare your comment on tasting notes. The tasting notes for D40+ sounded more interesting while for DF54 it was just 'balanced'.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

I like the stability of the build and the grind adjustment better on the DF54, and the deionizer. For a taste test, I'd have to try comparing them side by side. You know, beans make quite the difference, and the amount of time the machine has been warmed up. That can also influence perception in taste. Cheers!

@SakaraRith Ай бұрын

What is ur setting number for delonghi

@SebastianCristanchoYT 4 ай бұрын

Hey how does this compare to the MiiCoffee D40+ or the SK40?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

I like it much better. It's just way more solid. And the de-ionizer is sweet.

@kerisek11 4 ай бұрын

Who sell this in the Europe? Miicoffee in the link has free shiping in the USA, but 100 euro shipping in the EU (even for 150euro machines)

@user-vs4vb4to4k 2 ай бұрын

Hello, how does it compare to the older df64 gen 1? Because here in my country they are priced the same. If you have a recommendation on the issue i thank you.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 2 ай бұрын

Sorry, never used the DF64 before...

@ppanagopo 3 ай бұрын

Hello Tom, I have a Gaggia classic pro paired with a Sage Smart grinder and looking for a grinder upgrade to flat burr, I am between the DF54 and the eureka mignon zero, can you make a suggestion?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 3 ай бұрын

Well, I haven't tried the Zero yet, but I bet they'll be similar. Similar burr geometry, same burr size, very low retention. But the Eureka has the heritage and spare parts availability. I'd probably get the DF to save some cash, honestly.

@ppanagopo 3 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks for answering

@dimitriosbolbasis6896 5 ай бұрын

How does it compare to the eureka specialita?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

I should compare them side to side. I think it's gonna be about the same. Same burr diameter, and geometry looks super similar also.

@deleted2144 5 ай бұрын

hey coffee lovers i need your help i want to buy my first grinder ,but i need to choose between knigrinder k6 and 1zpresso x pro-s which one is better for filter coffee

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Sorry, don't know that one! But the K6 is sweet. Never tried the X Pro S.

@otajonh 5 ай бұрын

Difference from this and DF64 GEN2?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

I think the design is about the same, but with a beefier motor, at 250 watts, instead of 150 watts.

@otajonh 5 ай бұрын

🤔🤔🤔

@Yagizino 5 ай бұрын

Wouldnt the notte be more comparable to this machine just for the price range? How does it fare against the notte. Here in europe specialita is around 100€ more than df54

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

I think they'll be very very similar, but the Notte will grind faster and has more heritage.

@user-jp9js9th8o 5 ай бұрын

Surely a bargain with decent price performance ratio; but I opted for a 65 mm grinder (sold in Germany as EMIL T64, or BG T64 in Asia), which costs "only" about 429 € for comparison: faster and broader applicable grinder size (but for nearly double the costs..)

@benjaminaguilera8097 5 ай бұрын

Is that the DF64 but with a different case?

@user-jp9js9th8o 5 ай бұрын

@@benjaminaguilera8097 not really - its better in my eyes -I prefer it much in comparison because of better design, construction (no plasma fuzz necessary) and functionality (magnetic chute, nicer grinding adjustment), better price

@benjaminaguilera8097 5 ай бұрын

@@user-jp9js9th8o huh. i'm on the market for a grinder so i'll research it. thank you!

@user-jp9js9th8o 5 ай бұрын

@@benjaminaguilera8097 look at my answer above- for me it's a further development into direction of Lagom...

@cedrickcaliguiran1235 3 ай бұрын

hi tom! i’m looking for a grinder to pair with my gaggia classic pro, im currently looking at either this one or the sk40. any thoughts perhaps? or maybe any other grinders you’d recommend in the same price point? any response would be great!! love from the philippines🇵🇭

@TomsCoffeeCorner 3 ай бұрын

I’d choose this one. I feel that is an all-around better product.

@cedrickcaliguiran1235 3 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner have you tried it for the gcp? if so, how was it? and OMG such an honor to get a reply from you🥹

@BASSlineXX1207 Ай бұрын

How does it compare to e.g. a Eureka Manuale which is around the same price point? I get they are designed differently with the DF being single dose, but how does the result in the cup compare?

@TomsCoffeeCorner Ай бұрын

I am guessing very, very similar. The burr design looks nearly identical to be honest. I mean, I’ve never tried the Manuale, but this would be my best guess.

@Keigan2well 2 ай бұрын

Hi Tom it seems that im still on the fence weather to get df54 or varia VS3, all i can say is in my country the DF54 is cheaper compared to varia vs3, im a little bit worried about the retention on df54 based on the post i read in reddit. Varia got almost zero retention but its a conical burr grinder. I only drink latte twice a day using picopresso setup. tired of hand grinding thats why im looking for an electric grinder.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 2 ай бұрын

For me, the DF54 also has little to no retention - maybe 0.1 grams after the initial use. I haven't tried the VS3, so I cannot comment to that.

@nikdeb4481 5 ай бұрын

Does df's burrs fit to specialita?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

I haven't tried that yet...I will have to take a look when I get some time.

@jeet-Seattle 5 ай бұрын

Tom do you recommend flat burr or conical burr? Most people think conical is better.thank you

@LLS.R 5 ай бұрын

It’s not about better. It’s about a different flavour profile.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

I have gotten great shots from both. Flat is more versatile though, as you can switch the burrs out to others.

@jeet-Seattle 5 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks Tom all the informative videos..

@jeet-Seattle 5 ай бұрын

@@LLS.R thanks

@tommuller6136 5 ай бұрын

Hi Tom will you review the P-series of the KinGrinder now that the K series isnt available in Europe ?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Why isn't the K series available? Are they on backorder?

@tommuller6136 5 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner apparently a german Brand files a report against the k Series. Thats what they seid on their instagram account

@tommuller6136 5 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCornersome company sued them apparently because of the K series

@billsarify 5 ай бұрын

There will be a 220volt version for Europe?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Yes!👍🏻

@shawnwcz 5 ай бұрын

Tom can you review the MHW3BOMBER SNIPER grinder？

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

Maybe someday...it's not currently on the list though. Cheers!

@rxonmymind8362 4 ай бұрын

Would have been nice to know the loudness rstings on these grinders. My Kitchenaid espresso grinder (Model: KCG8433ER ) is 66-70db. Pretty damn quiet.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

I should do a comparison of all the grinders I have. Good idea for a video.

@rxonmymind8362 4 ай бұрын

@TomsCoffeeCorner Woot. That would be awesome. Keeping the wife and kids asleep is important when making espresso in the am. I have the Kitchenaid Model: KCG8433ER and it runs around 70-76db? Not bad if you ask me.

@HenryChinaski614 3 ай бұрын

I just received mine and was wondering what the best setting number would be for espresso with a La Pavoni? It’s my first grinder. Thanks!

@TomsCoffeeCorner 3 ай бұрын

Well it depends on your bean, but I'd try 12-14.

@HenryChinaski614 3 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks so much!

@HenryChinaski614 3 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hello again. What bean do you recommend? Thanks! DW

@sageinfachgern 5 ай бұрын

Hey 😊 wie sind deine Erfahrungen mit Versand und Kosten von miicoffee aus Amerika. Ebenfalls bezüglich Zoll? Ist dann ja nicht mehr 220€ oder?

@dejedejsson 5 ай бұрын

In the USA they almost always state prices without VAT even for private consumers, in the EU there is a law to state prices with VAT, therefore, when you talk about prices, the prices seem to be mostly lower in the USA as consumers are also used to stating the prices without VAT, while in the EU we say the prices with VAT. Remember that you pay VAT on both the machine and the shipping!

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Nein, da musst du mit €72 Porto und außerdem Einfuehrungsgebuehren rechnen. Tut mir Leid!

@SunriseLAW 5 ай бұрын

The df54 is a 'gamechanger'. That said, I just ordered a manual grinder for $90. It is not the money. A manual grinder allows me to spend more time making a shot.

@RakanWD 5 ай бұрын

Honestly a hand grinder would produce a better tasty shot It’s something about slow grinding on a conical burr.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Which manual grinder did you get?

@SunriseLAW 5 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner TIMEMORE Chestnut C3 MAX PRO. If you think it is a bad choice, I can quick-cancel. BTW, I went to a local espresso stand. Told them I wanted a really good shot so I could "benchmark" my home product. I was served luke warm crap like what I might dump out of my drip-tray. FACT about American coffee: almost nobody drinks 'shots'. They are mixed into shot-based drinks. Coffee at Starbucks was good in the 1990's but over half the customers thought it was too strong so... they watered it down. Here in USA, we quickly become used to pure CRAP because that is what the majority of people WANT.

@SunriseLAW 5 ай бұрын

@@RakanWD More things to fidget with makes a better "hobby activity". Besides, I have to boil water to heat the cup and portafilter, so I have a couple minutes to (quietly) grind.

@RakanWD 5 ай бұрын

@@SunriseLAW For me, I’d say consider 1Zepresso K MAX, a fantastic grinder. Easy espresso grinding and takes ~35 seconds to complete. I know nothing about Timemore.

@HasanAl-Saffar 5 ай бұрын

Do you recommend the HiBrew G5 grinder?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Sorry, I haven't tried it!

@HasanAl-Saffar 5 ай бұрын

@TomsCoffeeCorner It's way cheaper than most grinders, and it can grind fine enough for turkish as well. I don't know if I should get it or do more research 🤕

@RavenSWE 5 ай бұрын

I think this will completely kill the baratza encore and similarly priced grinders, if this was around when I started out I would most likely have bought it over the niche which was a huge stretch on my budget at the time

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

It'll kill it in America, but not Europe. For the EU and other countries that charge import fees, you have to consider that on top. Check out the end of the write up I did here: tomscoffeecorner.com/df54-review/

@Brian-Burke 5 ай бұрын

#DF54 I'm the exact person you mentioned at the beginning, Tom. I just bought an ECP 3630 and I can't get a fine enough grind with my Baratza Encore. The shots come out way too fast. I might get this one. Seems to be the bet value for the money and even for more money than it costs. Have a great weekend. Tom and thanks for the videos.

@tulenik71 4 ай бұрын

Encore was not really intended for espresso, but Encore ESP is solid all-rounder for the price. This one is probably better, but the price including postage and import taxes will be close to DF64. Now, for me, DF64 is a bit too big. I am still deciding between this one and DF64V, but DF64V is expensive and there's a problem with static. Nothing is perfect... One more disadvantage, at the moment, there are only stock burrs, and nobody knows if there will be some third party burrs available. Tough decision...

@joleau1 2 ай бұрын

@@tulenik71 I have the same thoughts here! I find Df64 too big. Df64v is more sleek but I have seen the demo unit at work and I can't accept the static problem lol. Back then Df54 was not on sale in my area so I landed with sd40+. Loving it. But... am very tempted to get Df54 since it's a smaller version of Df64 and have been wondering how it will fare in comparison with sd40+.

@pravinlnrk 5 ай бұрын

Can specilita burrs fit in df54?

@vivavibes 5 ай бұрын

I'm wondering the same. Seems like if they do, you could make this grinder even more balanced for espresso and filter.

@oscarm6237 5 ай бұрын

The images in the video show the screw holes in the df54 burrs are pushed out more towards the outer edge compared to the eureka's, so it's very unlikely the Specialita burrs would fit... The screw holes look a lot like where the ditting 54mm steel, mahlkonig 54mm ceramic and mahlkonig X54 steel burrs have them, seems they have a better chance of fitting...

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

I'm sorry, I haven't had the time to check yet. I will have to look into that. Cheers!

@MetalFukaz 5 ай бұрын

Is there any tax for ordering on this site for Germany? I see that it’s US site.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Anything you import into Germany from outside the EU will have taxes. 1) Einfuhrumsatzsteuer, 19% (this is the main tax) 2) Verbrauchssteuer (coffee, alchohol, etc.) 3) Zollsatz (depending on the product, another tax maybe added) 4) DHL or FedEx may also add an administrative fee, for preparing and remitting these taxes for you. Will likely be the same in most European Countries. www.zoll.de/DE/Privatpersonen/Postsendungen-Internetbestellungen/Abgabenrechner-Zoll-und-Post/abgabenrechner-zoll-und-post_node.html

@MetalFukaz 5 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner So it should be around 50€ for tax. Minimum, so that is already closer to 300€ for the grinder. Is there anything else in that price range considering that then.

@CJ_1995_ 3 ай бұрын

Can you use dark roasts on the DF54?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 3 ай бұрын

Sure, why not?

@CJ_1995_ 3 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks! i was just asking because i see a lot of coffee enthusiast saying to go conical instead of flat for dark roast.

@coreycannon4511 5 ай бұрын

I’ve been giving the Varia VS3 a pretty hard eyeball since it came out. But this new DF54 is giving me pause.

@zammie01 5 ай бұрын

Perhaps get this one and a 48mm conical hand grinder instead for a really affordable duo of flat & conical. That gives you an option for travel too.

@coreycannon4511 5 ай бұрын

@@zammie01 I’ve got a J-MAX. My electric grinder is a 12 year old Breville 450XL, which I think is a re-badged Wilfa Svart. The former is very good. The latter competent. I’m curious to try a higher clarity grinder. Is that a Varia with the latest Hypernova Ultra burr, or the DF54 with MAYBE the possibility of future burr upgrades…

@zammie01 5 ай бұрын

@@coreycannon4511 J-Max is good. Personally I would think having one of each burr type is a bigger benefit. Looks like you have time to research some more :)

@Criiies 5 ай бұрын

This vs opus?

@RizkyGusna 5 ай бұрын

I prefer this personally because of easy dial in

@bsyoutube2649 5 ай бұрын

I own an opus just because it has that anti static feature over eureka mignon manuale that time. But now I would buy DF54. Opus is kinda hard to dial in tho, but once u got it right its nice.

@georgielol 5 ай бұрын

@@bsyoutube2649 I wouldn't take that grinder if someone gave it to me for free. That adjustment mechanism is ridiculous.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

DF54, fo shizzle.

@flyindutch 4 ай бұрын

Any idea how can we get one of these in Europe ?

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

I think you can pre-order them from their website, or otherwise I think they'll be available to purchase at the end of the month.

@flyindutch 4 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner tried their website - shipping only to US. Guess I have to wait 😅

@TomsCoffeeCorner 4 ай бұрын

You have to choose the 220V version first, then you can choose the country. Right?@@flyindutch

@flyindutch 4 ай бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hmm.. I’m trying that through turingrinders’ website, and it doesn’t give me an option in the first place

@dejedejsson 5 ай бұрын

Just lift the entire bellows with the lid when filling the grinder!

@otajonh 5 ай бұрын

Should people be told to spend more on a coffee grinder than the coffee machine? 🤔

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

It's not a question of should. It's just the way it is. Motors are expensive, and burrs are made via CNC.

@tulenik71 4 ай бұрын

If you have only cheap machine, grinder can save A LOT.

@nabeelsherazi8860 5 ай бұрын

wish i saw this before i ordered my sette 30 :')

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

Well, depending on where you live, you'll also have to pay import fees. But yes, this does seem more solid than the 30. Although I quite like the 30 for its ergonomics and speed.

@locosporelcafe 3 ай бұрын

Saludos desde argentina!

@shadowbrand97 5 ай бұрын

Pretty nice machine for the value #df54

@DenizDivine 4 ай бұрын

i hate that it's nearly 70€ shipping to germany :/ makes it less of a good deal

@JT-zy2ft 5 ай бұрын

It’s really come down to the burr you’re using and less about the actual grinder. The grinder does matter for functionality but in terms of what you end up in your cup it’s all the burr.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 5 ай бұрын

I can get on board with that.

@MrGedgeman 8 күн бұрын

"Cheap Grinder" £180 That's certainly not cheap! Lol. Maybe one day - we can dream.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 7 күн бұрын

@@MrGedgeman That IS cheap. You should see what the rest cost. Look up Mazzer or Eureka.

@MrGedgeman 7 күн бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner The dream continues! 🙂 This was no shade to you, btw!

@TomsCoffeeCorner 7 күн бұрын

@@MrGedgeman Just gotta save up in afraid. I know it’s more expensive than the blade grinders or cheap grinders you can find at the electronics store, but this is a whole different beast.

@MrGedgeman 7 күн бұрын

@@TomsCoffeeCorner It will be nice to have proper grid coffee at home

@jimzahora7819 3 ай бұрын

Problem with the DF grinders is its mass produced Chinese made with no real company to stand behind it. MiiCoffee Turan ect its some mystery producer giving it to MiiCoffee and Turan to sell, but MiiCoffee and Turan don't make them. If the thing breaks in 3month or 6 months good luck getting any kind of support or warranty.

@TomsCoffeeCorner 3 ай бұрын

Well, MiiCoffee and Turin are responsible for honoring the warranty. It's after that, that remains to be seen. Cheers!