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All I want is force unleashed 3 and Kotor 3

And seeing that PlayStation is a huge Disney wanna be these days it all goes hand-in-hand

Were there any PS3 exclusive Star Wars games? They can just move other versions.

Hey man, if Disney wants to focus their greed towards a good cause like PS3 emulation, I won't complain.

Pretty safe to say. Past trophies and stuff like Little Big Planet costum Levels are prbly dead

….of course I hope I'm wrong 😅

This. They def won’t make disks work

@@applehazeva2739I think the trophies are baked into psn and really might be a reason they are still keeping ps3 and vita connected to it

I want to play the games I already own there.

RPCS3 on XSX or PS3 backwards compatibility on PS5.......none of these will happen.

​@@bartsic85At least the xbox port could happen, the ps5 one lol

@@mauriciochacon You're talking about an unofficial console modification in the case of RPCS3 on XSX, not an official extension of the console's capabilities as in the case of PS5 and PS3 emulation. These are two separate issues and following your way of thinking, modders will remake PS5 and emulate PS3 in the future.

@@bartsic85 there is no console modification involved in porting RPCS3 to Xbox

Xbox blocked emulators in retail units, possibly because they didn't want to deal with Nintendo's wrath

CELL documentation was always readily available. Remember, this device was intended to see a wide variety of uses in many applications. It didn't work out for several critical reasons but Sony's partners, IBM and Toshiba, did actively seek to create a CELL ecosystem. IBM shipped some specialized accelerator boards and that meant the documentation was widely available.

Ma16v3 Stop creating Delusional Reasons Without Knowing Nothing, You're Far away from bring correct, you shall hear the real especialista here on Digital Foundry, Lack of Documentation or knowledge on Cell Processor has Nothing to do with this, the problem is that PS5 CPU is not Powerfull Enough to Emulate PS3 6 Spe Cores.

​@@VictorHugoAlvarez-eternelymiss well the PS5 CPU is basically a 3600x level performance as they have shown before and using that CPU on a normal pc can easily emulate a ps3

​@@VictorHugoAlvarez-eternelymiss Steve Bruhl? It absolutely can do it. The question is whether Sony will spend literally one second of effort on making it happen before selling you a PS3 title on PS Now/whatever their ecosystem is. Power isn't the issue. I easily emulate PS3 on my PC that is weaker than the PS5. The issue is effort and Sony not wanting PS5 owners to get something for free that they can charge for.

@@DannyWilliamH again you another Person who Knows Nothing Above Nothing!!! taking informations from your s, professionals from DIgital Foundry saying is not possible and you mr nobody talking shit from the S, SHut UP is better!!!!

Yeah, kinda feels like a remaster trilogy of killzone would sell well enough.

A port sure, I wouldn't count on emulated though.

....with trophies 😊

​@@paulszkiIf they ever do a full on remake/remaster of the trilogy, with multiplayer, I would absolutely get a PS5 for that. I'd settle for a simple HD port though

I remember the POPSLoader plugin.

Similar story for the PS2 classics on PS3

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The only thing

Yeah, even though I wished Xbox BC physical games weren't downloads, it's leagues better than Sony's solutions. For whatever reason Sony hasn't given it a fair shot in almost two decades.

They are not doing a great job of it anyway, a lot of the games are not available, even some first party ones like forza, or most of original xbox lineup, and they stopped adding new ones years ago. Would be awesome to play older armored core titles, or JSRF, on my Series X, but there is no way

​@@lirfrank To be fair you can use disks on the Xbox too, most of my backwards compatible library on it are just old 360 disks I pop in and install on it, and the install is so tiny in comparison to current gen games that I've basically got my entire 360 library on it for less than a tenth of its full memory Defo would prefer if they didn't need installing from a disk granted, but that's a battle we can't win with the digital push

​@@lirfrankSony had a bit more recent backwards compatibility with Vita actually, it could play PSP and PS1 titles.

And metal gear solid 4

​@@ryandarko2115 Mgs 4 is very likely going to be part of Master Collection volume 2.

Agreed! One of my all time favorites on PS3

And that the servers are offline

Ahh, a fellow Tokyo Jungle enjoyer 😊

Modern Sony would never talk about Fat Princess ever again.

@@Blazestar2000 yes! We don't need more humans

@@theLikou1 but why?

​@@mandarinamala6513body shaming women probably

yeah, this isn't a well known fact

And let's not forget Mark Cerny pointed out how similar the Tempest Engine is to the Cell processor. So I'm sure that could be used in helping emulate.

Yeah, I mean, the RPPS3 (I think that's the name? Word salad jeez) system requirements basically says Zen 3 is the minimum spec (AMD) cpu you need to get anything close to reasonable performance.

They also made the PS2 and you know how that turned out

they can port rpcs3 and change some things and bam playable ps3 games on ps5

​@unsavourylittlerunt, what? The emulator runs flawlessly?

@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et It doesn't even handle proper upscaling (especially games like tomb raider legend) and the filters which are supposed to help with the lower resolution are pretty poor. So much for the company that literally made the console

@@unsavourylittlerunt I said "runs." It's much better than the ps2 and it doesn't have anyone the graphical glitches you see on PCSX2. I find the classic arcade filter to do a great job with hiding the low resolution, avoid the modern arcade filter, it sucks.

The tech isn't there yet, unless you price this in line with a high ish end gaming pc. Like, assuming they stick with AMD (and honestly who else would they go with?), there's only two newer generations of cpu and one newer generation of graphics cards, and zen 3 wouldn't be a huge jump, zen 4 would be expensive, and RDNA 3 is... Not a huge leap forward.

as someone who don't have any ps3 games on disc i see this as a win

That comment wasn’t meant for people like you😂

Xbox did both, if its on the store then you can out the disc it will download the game and the disc is only used as drm, would be perfect if they do the same, but if they haven’t done it for ps1/ps2 yet they wont allow disc for ps3 either so yeah to me either does not matter

True that

​@@GhostGamer799You are the minority so stfu

Console CPUs have custom changes made to them like stripping out instructions sets that's not very beneficial. You can't compare how modular components work against custom console versions because they're not designed for the Public. There's still around 30% of PS3 games that RPCS3 still has issues with to this day, and that's not even considering how different their own PS3 emulator may be and the fact that it would still be significantly less mature, just like neither their PS1 or PS2 emulators get near Duckstation or PCSX2 simply because of how late they started work on it means it's nowhere near as mature.

No. It's not possible. PS5 disc reader can read only blue ray. Not CD or DVD

@@marosis99 Pretty sure it can read dvd's.

​@@WH250398 It can and i'm sure if Sony wanted it they could enable CD playback Every single UHD player has CD support it doesn't make sense that the ps5 drive can't CDs unles Sony actively blocked

@@Pointman11111ps4 ps5 funny game the laser to read CD, but it can read DVD and Blu-Ray

​@@marosis99 All blu ray players can read dvd

That's bullshit, documentation, specially from that far back then, is often wrong (spoiler alert: even on the public one) or non-existent. The proof is that their ps1emu and ps2emu implementations are horrible, yet you somehow expect them to do a proper ps3 one. Also, the PPU is a fairly simple unit. That's by far the easiest part in all of PS3 emulation. I don't think anyone needs to sit down and figure out how it works anymore, specially with the RPCS3 implementation that can run non SPU heavy games at hundreds of FPS.

Just because you know what the hardware is doing doesn’t mean it’s easy to emulate The cell processor was a square peg and all modern architecture is a small round hole…

@@jarde1989 I didn't say it's easy to emulate. I pointed out how much _harder_ it is for enthusiasts to do this as fans because they lack a lot of the information Sony holds and constantly have to make guesses and try things out through trial and error. It's definitely still not easy by any means, but it's easier in comparison to what they have to do right now.

The PPU is not the bottleneck for PS3 emulation, the Xbox 360 has a PPU as well. The bottleneck are the SPUs, which comprise the CPU for the PS3. Its characteristics make it difficult to emulate in x86, it doesn't matter if you have documentation or not.

@@Hobo_X The reason that PS3 emulation can be slow is not because of a lack of documentation, it is a barrier inherent to the differences between the CELL and x86 that cannot be made up for.

Metal gear solid 5 already has a PS4 version, So you can already play it on PS5. And the first 3 uncharted games were also released in a remastered bundle for PS4.

@@mydogbuddy07 Probably meant Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

@@markstephens8632 Yeah, That would make a lot more sense.

GoW3 has a PS4 version. (Uncharted 1-3 as well)

@@cyphaborg6598 Yep. That's why I see PS trying to sell them again, bc they know people bought them

community emulators are built on trial-error and educated guess of close enough

That is a relatively minor handicap compared to the architecture being so different from nearly everything else in the mainstream market. The closest thing to CELL was the Cray supercomputers of the early 80s that required custom code for nearly everything. You didn't really use a Cray directly. There was typically something like a DEC PDP system as the front end. The visual FX for 'The Last Starfighter' was six months of rendering on a Cray run through a PDP-11. The CELL turned out to be a disaster for the partner companies who never came even close to making back their investment, never mind making a profit. Sony itself would likely have abandoned the CELL for the PS3 if it weren't so late in the game when it became undeniable that it was never going to work as intended. As it is, the PS3 had to be redesigned, from using several CELLs for pretty much everything and processing time allocated as the developers saw fit for their projects to using a conventional GPU supplied by Nvidia couple to a single CELL. If Sony had gone with a more conventional CPU, the emulation issue would have been over and done during the PS4 era.

@@epobirs This - them having the documentation doesn't change the fact that programming for CELL was hard enough, let alone accurately and efficiently emulating it, let alone on the older Ryzen CPU in the PS5. They might be able to make a few efficiency gains here and there with more inside knowledge, but if an i9 is struggling emulating the PS3, those little optimizations are not suddenly going to make the older CPU in the PS5 drastically more efficient. Emulating complex platforms like the PS3 is CPU intensive, no getting around it, you can adjust the slider between efficiency and accuracy to err more on the side of performance, but if you want decent accuracy and performance, it's going to have a CPU cost.

​@@yellowblanka6058I've been asking DF for a while now if it would be possible if the Tempest engine could be used for emulation purposes seeing how Mark Cerny pointed out the similarities between the Tempest and the Cell processor.

Very much so, given they have source codes for the 3 and 5. The issue comes in when they need to replicate the architecture of the PS3

Porting or remastering these games runs into the same problem--the underlying code is just not compatible with modern processors, and emulating it is really, really not easy. The most practical solution is to just remake them with modern software, but that's not exactly easy either.

Ps4 Controllers Work on the Ps3!

@@hurricane7727 Not 100%. While I was able to play the God of War collection with a PS4 controller, I always had to check if it was really working. For some games it doesn't really work at all it seems, at least for me. I had issues with the sly cooper collection and also with the Jak and Daxter collection...

I’ve played os3 games on the SteamDeck. They worked about as good as original hardware, so subpar

Beach Volleyball allows you to change analog to digital in the options menu and so does DoA 3. There are barely any OG Xbox games that made use of the pressure sensitivity where it was actually required to play/progress. Other than MGS 2, I can't think of any.

interesting I never knew that

I mean, that would fit the jump in CPU performance likely required to make it work. PS6 with Zen 6 or something...

I'm still holding out for PS5 because of the Tempest Engine. I mean why would Mark Cerny point out how similar it is to the Cell processor?

Doubt it. Ps5 pro is more a GPU upgrade, not a CPU upgrade, and the CPU is the real bottleneck here.

At least Sony invest money for the future, see Microsoft 👋🤡

Loool. Micro$oft got pwned.

Remind me of early ps4 years when they said they will add ps2 emulation but it was just ps2 games from the digital store

It’s hilarious gamers throw around words like “respect” as if these weren’t soulless corporations that want to maximize profits

Why doesn't Sony just release a revision console like a PS5 Pro with an actual Cell Processor on board? This is not so radical, they placed older chips on the PS2 and launch model PS3. I heard they are still producing the cell processor for server blades to use with with PS Now.

I think they could easily make it so that you would have to have a ps+ sub in order to play ps3 games online on the ps5. Or they would most likely just completely remove the online feature for these games on the ps5. But most ps3 online games are already dead and it's really up to the studios of these games to keep the servers up and maintain them.

It would be up to individual studios to bring their servers back, which none of them are going to do

​​@@proggz39very true but same can be said for PS2 multiplayer online games too compared to just titles with split screen or i link I think (yes never used the i link port (system link on Xbox forget what Sony called it later gens) but not all games with online multiplayer would be ignored would they? They wouldn't just advertise the campaign mode would they? Especially even if notable games or whichever have source code/how functional they can get them or how much time it will take to get them ready. But yes the server point is a very important detail besides yes PS+ and whatever PS3 online is still active or just whatever games they want to offer. That or are just happy with PS3 games for Premium (a sign of what titles even if many missing , especially many stuck on PS3 and left behind which ma many will buy it like I have been for years anyway or keep have kept their PS3s for, I mean I'm buying up any 7rh gen shooters I can find even besides 1st/3rd party I never got to experience) while Deluxe owners in other regions have to go off PS2/PSP versions of games instead which some are better in some cases like Sonic Unleashed (if people want less of the open world stuff) or Force Unleashed PSP. (Had all content and better than PS2/WII which is based on that didn't have certain content on those versions but Wii version is on Switch). But depends on the games.

@@proggz39 Some might. Like the ones already keeping the servers up on the PS3 to gather game data or for whatever reason. Or those bigger studios who would see this as a negligible cost. But Sony would need to allow this in the first place and I have no idea what Sony intends to do. But here are some possibilities: 1. Optimistic outcome: Sony tries to bring back as many PS3 online games (even offering $ to studios to have the servers up on the PS5). This would be the best outcome for consumers and would place Sony in a good spot. Sony would take a risk initially, but could greatly benefit from this (for example: more people would have a reason to buy a PS5, even those who initially didn't want to). 2. Possible outcome: Sony brings back PS3 games and completely lets individual studios to decide whether they wan't to bring the servers back on the PS5 (Sony doesn't care whether they bring them back or not). 3. Realistic outcome: Sony goes the easy route and only brings back PS3 games without the option to play online. This would be a dissapointing outcome for most consumers. 4. Pessimistic outcome: Sony doesn't bring back PS3 games at all.

How does this makes sense? F2p games don't need ps+ and you can still play many games on Ps3 online

PS3 still has nearly 1 million active users!

​@@GrantallicaThere's more than that. There's around 2 million monthly active users (that is guareented). These numbers were apart of the data aquired from an Insomniac Games breach. And this breach only counted the PS3 userbase that was connected to the PSN. Consoles without an active internet connection or jailbroken consoles weren't counted. So the true number is even higher. It's most likely 3 or 4 million. Maybe even 5 or more.

​​​@@GrantallicaThere is more than 1 million actually. PS3 still has around 2 million monthly active users (this is guaranteed). These numbers were apart of the data aquired from an Insomniac Games breach. This breach only counted the userbase that was connected to the PSN. Consoles without an active or internet connection or jailbroken consoles weren't counted. So the real number for active PS3 users is even higher. Most likely around 3-4 million. Maybe even 5 million or more.

Why can't everyone show this level of backlash for Nintendo? They just closed the Wii u and the 3ds and everyone just accepted it. Why the the f**k is Nintendo always an exception?

@@Grantallica More than 1 million. There's around 2 million active monthly users on the ps3. And this number only includes those signed in to playstation network (it doesn't include those without an internet connection or those playing online with jailbroken PS3's). So I would guess the true number of active monthly users on the PS3 is most likely 3-4 millon. Maybe even 5 million.

You clearly didn't remember those days. PC ports of PS3 titles, if they were released in the first place (publishers were bragging about death of PC gaming back in the day, a crisis which they contributed to), run like shit. It was the result of Cell architecture having nothing in common with x86. Some of those titles are heavy even on modern PC hardware, due to lack of optimizations (cause why optimize for the "dead" platform).

Yeah, there wasn't a lot of ps3 games ported to pc. You had a few that went the other way (pc to ps3) but if they did that route, they... Probably already have ps4 ports, or they're staying on PC.

Should be no more than $20 tbh, but I agree a remaster would be cool.

I think licensing is a big ottle neck (music,etc)

Like it doesn't need to be anything fancy just give me basic but solid ports for $20-$40 and yeah I'd totally rebuy stuff like ratchet, motorstorm, resistance ect

@@jamalonso2360 as much as people hate it, that would be a better way than emulation. Fix up or remake the game in a better state and let it really breath new life into it taking advantage of the better hardware it’s made for

I care.....

That game still looks great today

​Don't sleep on Killzone 3. It's even better than Killzone 2.

is it easy to do? I have a slim from 2011.

nah im playing gran turismo 5 in 4k locked 60fps on pc.

​@Hijynx87 It's very easy. All you'll need is a flash drive and watch a guide it'd probably take maybe 30 minutes

No trophies on a jailbroken unit!

Well there’s a bit more to want PS3 emulation for than MGS4 depending on who you ask. But as for MGS4 specifically, the online multiplayer mode of it was ported to arcade cabinets (which used standard PC hardware) in Japan over a decade ago. It wouldn’t be a herculean effort to re-release it on modern platforms and it may well be planned to, if the datamining of Master Collection Vol.1 is to be believed.