Dhamma Interrogation of "Eye", "Atta" and Sense of Ownership | Hillside Hermitage

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4 жыл бұрын

More examples of how to engage in the questioning of one's own views in regard to important aspects of your daily experience. Learning how to not leave anything unturned, from the sense of ownership of one's body and experience in general to the eye organs and the conceit "I am".
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@idpaydolr
@idpaydolr 4 жыл бұрын
Thank your for your work. It is very difficult to find penetrating and insightful dhamma talks. I also appreciate your insistence that sila must come first, then right view. Your dIrections on how to practice are extremely helpful
@Mountain_Dhamma
@Mountain_Dhamma 14 күн бұрын
Enough was said at “abandoning that which is liable to suffering” That’s all there is to it
@hariharry391
@hariharry391 14 күн бұрын
🙏
@kleyyer
@kleyyer 3 жыл бұрын
An enlightening discussion as always. This discussion and many others raises some questions I've been having in regards to how all things connect. Let me explain further. How I understand. The approach taken during most of these discussions is to reveal the nature/root of phenomena. Meaning, the impossibility of control, of them being "beyond" you, in a sense. Creation, ownership, sense of self, craving, all of that stems from this fundamental lack of understanding. The thing is, it doesn't revolve just to that, but in fact to all phenomena, from the most subtle and difficult to understand, to the most obvious such as six senses, thoughts and so on. (When I say obvious, I mean, we normally are more prone to recognize positive phenomena, even though thoughts for some people might be very difficult to clarify, even more so would be the negative phenomena that can't be attended, such as citta, feeling and so on) The point is, in a sense, contemplating these things is an Establishment of Mind, and since perceptions are what leads to the mind being established (there is always an establishment of mind, being it right or wrong, so perception is the fundamental key), what is the purpose of other establishments? What is the value of, say, establishing the perceptions of the forest? My assumption is that these other perceptions are intermediaries so you go step by step refining your perception until you can eventually abandon even that, reaching the ultimate perception that includes all. Perfect clarity in relation to how things really are. Nibbana (though I'm aware I'm most likely wrong since I'm not a sotapanna). So, why am I mentioning this? The confusion comes from sometimes conflicting perceptions and I not knowing which ones to emphasize first. Like the sutta "Two Kinds of Thought" "Whatever a bhikkhu frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind" Although thoughts, feelings, existence in general is a burden, a pain, disease. It has been thrown upon me, nonetheless, it's my responsibility which perceptions I lend my attention to (even though attention as well is thrown upon me, but lets not get into all minutia). So, a thought I know it's not conducive/productive, is enduring in the mind. I have a choice, I could "endure" it, or, turn my attention towards something that is also enduring (which is the opposite of that "negative/bad thought", otherwise I wouldn't be able to attend it), not for the sake of denying this thought, but because it would more conducive, and productive to attend that. So I know that by attending to the "negative" thoughts, negative mind states would arise in me, but, by deliberately looking at another perception that is there as well enduring, such thoughts could induce "positive/good" mind states. Agreeable feelings. But here is the thing. I know the content, whether agreeable or disagreeable, is a burden, affliction, suffering. Only when feelings are exhausted/extinguished that I'm practicing along the lines of the Dhamma. But I see that by attending the "positive", the mind would be more conducive to then focus on clarifying the abandonment of feeling, therefore, using positive as an intermediary, a refining step so to say to then develop more refined perceptions. My question is, what should be done in such a scenario? Should one endure what is arisen in his field of perception? Should one look to expand the field and look at the opposite? Or, even still, should one disregard both perceptions and then contemplate on the nature of things right away? The reason I say this is that by focusing on the "positive" so to speak, diminishes the anguish of being subjected to a coarser form of perception, and therefore makes it easier to contemplate on higher ones. Is this in any way correct? Is this how the practice should progress in this particular case? I hope it doesn't sound too confusing, if I made myself unclear, I can come back and try to address this in a different manner that might make sense. As always, I appreciate your answer, I would be very pleased if you could clarify this point. Editing here: Just to clarify, when I say perception, my definition might be broader or more encompassing than Eyes -> Chair "Ohh, I'm perceiving a chair" or something like that. Perception I mean context, theme, point of view, like when you are listening to a TV or something, but when you go to another room, the perception of the volume of the TV remains constant. Or sight. Looking at a city from a distance, although the skyscrapers look very small, you know they are big. Or like the example you mentioned in one of the talks about going to a forest alone and in a group. The Perception is different (although you used mood in that sense). I hope this clarifies any misunderstanding it might have come up in regards to my use of the word perception.
@HillsideHermitage
@HillsideHermitage 3 жыл бұрын
If the mind is inclining towards negative too much, then focus on positive. When it's inclining to positive too much, then focus on negative. Endure it. When it's neither-positive-nor-negative, contemplate the nature of both. In other words, there is no SINGLE thing that you can decide you'll do beforehand; instead what you should do is determined by where your mind is at that time. Like the simile of the lute strings the Suttas mention.
@kleyyer
@kleyyer 3 жыл бұрын
​@@HillsideHermitage I see. In certain aspects my mind tends to focus too much on the negative, but I will keep watchful to not let myself incline mindlessly in either direction. Thank you Bhante.
@idpaydolr
@idpaydolr 4 жыл бұрын
I find this “I am” to be a mental complex of identifications and appropriations, including memories. A self construct carried in mind. It is “imaginary”.
@idpaydolr
@idpaydolr 4 жыл бұрын
The I am cannot be set aside by the I am, thus the Buddha gives methods to see things from the side (this is hard to express).
@idpaydolr
@idpaydolr 4 жыл бұрын
I saw the real world once. It was the same as it ever was, only I was different. Nothing to fear because there was nothing to bounce off of. Nothing to get because nobody’s home
@googleuser9624
@googleuser9624 2 жыл бұрын
23:45 Extremely important
@upekakuruppu170
@upekakuruppu170 4 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏
@MultiSanskrit
@MultiSanskrit 4 жыл бұрын
Bhante, the eye that the Buddha speaks of and which he says should be seen as impermanent/unownable - is it that eye that appears when I reflect (asking myself "what is the eye?")? Or is it that bit of bodily matter that enables seeing in the first place and which does not appear ? I am confused about this point, because all that appears when I reflect on the eye is a perception of touch around my nose, under my forehead, that I simply call "eye" because I think that this is where seeing originates. How to contemplate the eye (or any of the senses) correctly so as not to be pressured by them? All best wishes to you and everybody at the hermitage!
@HillsideHermitage
@HillsideHermitage 4 жыл бұрын
It's both, they are the same thing viewed from a different angle. Whether it's "the eye that appears in reflection" or "bit of bodily matter that enables seeing", both are peripheral thoughts that at the time stand for that which "eye" is in your experience. Anicca of it is to be seen on that peripheral level, without attending to it as a direct object (which in the case of sense organs becomes painfully obvious as impossible).
@MultiSanskrit
@MultiSanskrit 4 жыл бұрын
@@HillsideHermitage Thank you, Bhante. I now realise that I have to learn to let it endure peripherally rather than trying to make it the center of attention. In this way it's nature of being a determination also becomes apparent.
@sompong2482
@sompong2482 2 жыл бұрын
Colour and rupa
@nejkagalun4851
@nejkagalun4851 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings. In what ways is such a Dhamma interrogation a Socratic dialogue, and in what ways is it not a Socratic dialogue? Thank you.
@ThaniyoThero
@ThaniyoThero 4 жыл бұрын
What is a Socratic dialogue?
@nejkagalun4851
@nejkagalun4851 4 жыл бұрын
@@ThaniyoThero Thank you for the reply. From Wiki: "The Socratic method, also known as method of Elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate, is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions. It is a dialectical method, involving a discussion in which the defense of one point of view is questioned; one participant may lead another to contradict themselves in some way, thus weakening the defender's point. This method is named after the Classical Greek philosopher Socrates and is introduced by him in Plato's Theaetetus as midwifery (maieutics) because it is employed to bring out definitions implicit in the interlocutors' beliefs, or to help them further their understanding. The Socratic method is a method of hypothesis elimination, in that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those that lead to contradictions. The Socratic method searches for general, commonly held truths that shape beliefs and scrutinizes them to determine their consistency with other beliefs. The basic form is a series of questions formulated as tests of logic and fact intended to help a person or group discover their beliefs about some topic, exploring definitions or logoi (singular logos) and seeking to characterize general characteristics shared by various particular instances." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method Further explanation and examples here: "The Socratic Method is a way to seek truths by your own lights.[2] A Socratic dialogue reveals how different our outlooks can be on concepts we use every day. It reveals how different our philosophies are, and often how tenable-or untenable, as the case may be-a range of philosophies can be. Moreover, even the most universally recognized and used concept, when subjected to Socratic scrutiny, might reveal not only that there is not universal agreement, after all, on the meaning of any given concept, but that every single person has a somewhat different take on each and every concept under the sun.[3] Socrates used his method as a guide to help people show themselves they didn’t know what they thought they knew. He exposed untrue beliefs, developed a sense of disquiet in his interlocutors, and elicited contradictions by asking pointed question in an unthreatening way. These conversations forced people to substantively evaluate, and in many cases ultimately change, their beliefs.[4] In its purest form, questions (and only questions) are used to arouse curiosity and at the same time serve as a logical, incremental, step-wise guide that enables students (Socrates referred to the partner as the “interlocutor”) to figure out a complex topic or issue with their own thinking and insights." en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Socratic_Methods
@sompong2482
@sompong2482 2 жыл бұрын
Close but no Cigar ???
@SBCBears
@SBCBears 4 жыл бұрын
What is "atavada"?
@dassavilokantara439
@dassavilokantara439 4 жыл бұрын
Crow T. Robot attavāda is the doctrine of self or the theory of soul. These are the two common English definitions and both are correct.
@dassavilokantara439
@dassavilokantara439 4 жыл бұрын
Attavāda is a compound word made up of “atta” meaning self or soul and “vāda” meaning doctrine, creed, or theory, but vāda can also have the simple connotation of ‘saying or espousing something.”
@rihhard1072
@rihhard1072 4 жыл бұрын
Self view
@SBCBears
@SBCBears 4 жыл бұрын
@@rihhard1072 Thanks all. Using a couple of search engines I didn't find the term. Nor have I come across it in my spotty Zen/Shambhala/Nyingma/Theravada sojourns, respectively. Aren't these talks great? They provide practical guidance for advanced levels-- so hard to find. I'm alone in the dhamma where I am and have no one to talk to.
@SBCBears
@SBCBears 4 жыл бұрын
@@dassavilokantara439 Got it. Thanks.
@ratte7689
@ratte7689 2 жыл бұрын
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