From now on, every time you hear "I have a number for you to call" compare that to "you may be fired upon" and you'll immediately feel better about calling that number.

Call this number or you will be fired upon

Who cares bidens a joke

@@suzukirider9030 says someone who rides a Suzuki. roflmao

@@suzukirider9030 because he’s the president. It doesn’t matter who is president, there is always a TFR. Clowns

I was waiting for that lmao

Reminds me of talk to evie lmao

859PA "Altitude? what's that?" ATC: "It's a trampoline park in Texas, but that's not important right now."

@@gwinbeer surely you cant be serious!?

@@roxy5048 Don't call me Shirley! (RIP Leslie Nielsen!)

Escalated quick 🤣🤣

"We have a number for you. It's written on an air-to-air missile."

@@Tindometari "Please tell Saint Peter if you think our AIM-9 missile needs improvement..."

"I have a number for your next of kin to call"

@@RLTtizME How many have needed to be? lol

Radar target doesn't mean... Nevermind

@@TheNapalmFTW But when you reach the part about "armed fighter and may be shot down if you don't respond" it does...there's targets and there's Targets...

@@RLTtizME Not shot down. Plenty run down tho :-)

@@afdkj id like to see some sources proving these 44 potential shootdowns over US Soil for TFR Violations. because i sure as hell have not heard about a SINGLE shootdown. Flight 93 was damn close to it, but there is no evidence ANYWHERE proving over US Soil a TFR Violation was ever shot down. chased down, forced to land and/or otherwise chased out of the airspace, yes...... actually shot down.... NO.

@Just TheFacts our tax dollars at work

Going space shuttle status

@@Th3BlackLotus you got it boss.

Yup old men out doing some Saturday flying. But put a bunch of flight school trained hijackers that don't know America or our way of life yet they can hijack and perfectly aim those aircraft like missiles into buildings one flying a hundred feet off the ground clipping light poles with no witnesses during rush hour in Washington DC yet no CAP that day nothing fueled nothing armed. Freaking sickening!

@@falloutshelter6 Amazing luck Mr SIlverstein decided not to go to breakfast that day, unlike every other. Cohencidence....maybe?

I was wondering about that. Lol. Oh, well, at least the ANG guys got to fly around a bit and have another story to tell. Glad it all ended with no one getting hurt.

Wow good catch! It actually sounds more like he said "Uh, did I Fxxxx Up?" Or "sorry, did I Fxxx up?" Hahaha

it does sound like he is asking a question and does sound like he was asking: Did i foul up?

@F. A. again, you forgot the most obvious one: Getting Shotdown for not responding to being intercepted after violating a TFR Airspace.

@@CapStar362 That will never happen, lol

Pretty sure that's standard phraseology for any blip on a radar, whether inside a TFR or not.

@@Hamchuck112 It is, but it's funny nonetheless.

I mean he did also get the warning that he may be fired upon, which us standard procedure as well, but they rarely get to that part of the standard procedure...

@@andij605 Yeah, when its a target as in ready the missiles that's a bit more brown-pants than just a target on a ATC radar scope...

@@Hamchuck112 Isn't The standard term just 'contact'?

It almost always is, but yeah, the fighters have to talk seriously to wake people up. Even if that guy was on freq and just day-dreaming or something, hearing the phrase "armed air defense fighter" and "you will be fired upon" probably will snap you out of just about anything, lol. Brief your TFRs and monitor guard and you can avoid many uncomfortable phone calls, lol.

They’re just doing their job! Of course you have to be calm and collected! Hope this guy had an extra pair of shorts…….

@F. A. you seem to repeatedly lack the one punishment that is the highest of them all...... getting shot down.

@@CapStar362 Yes, we all watched the video as well...

@@kukui79 ummm? okay, and if someone didnt and is commenting, that just makes them a fool. whats your point here?

Bloody hell that's a pretty eventful day!!!

i’m do lessons there too lmao it’s nuts

Poor guys - probably so stressed after being intercepted etc.

Any idea on why they crashed? Do you think it was the pressure that was placed upon them to land immediately?

@@macrominutes well he says first that the diamond violated the tfr then refers to the piper so maybe the story is made up or maybe 2 planes violated the tfr or maybe the piper just had a rough landing or maybe he mixed up the piper with the diamond (sorry for the or maybes lol)

Agreed. That is something to check before literally every flight.

Yeah. In 200 years only the gov will be able to fly

I'm in TEB right now. Just found out there are a few TFRs for todayin NY and NJ. Looks like I'm not going anywhere.

@@JimLatp Why is that? the inner core does not encompass TEB, just file, go, remain in contact with ATC with a beacon code, and remain outside the inner core. No big deal, just an annoyance and probably a slight delay.

Hey Joe! Nice to see you here! I hope to fly again under your coverage in NY as soon as possible!

Not my plane anymore

@F. A. is there a way for him not to get 100k fine? Like clearly he had no bad intentions etc. or once done, there is no way to avoid one of the above penalties?

@@qwer55555555 the penalties are usually applied to those repeat offenders or those who they otherwise suspect had intentionally violated the tfr. In reality, this guy probably had a phone call to tower/fsdo and a stern talking to, but with an emphasis on education. They would rather educate you on how you messed up and how to avoid doing so in the future first.

@@StrokeMahEgo ah, that makes sense. Many thanks for the explanation, sir

@@qwer55555555 he had ways to avoid all this, TFR briefings and NOTAM, he should be checking his flight plans before taking off, in the end it is on that pilot for violating that TFR because they make TFR's public long enough before they go into effect that if your planing your route properly you'll know about it. You may not get the fine the first time around, but there have been times that a pilot has lost or had his license suspended over it on a first occurrence. I physically know a pilot who didn't check before his flight and went into a active TFR about 8 years ago, they proved he didn't properly check his flight plans and stripped him of his license even though it was his first TFR violation, but had another incident 4 years before it(once again caused by improper flight planning but not TFR related). Depending on severity they'll look into your past and determine your penalty from that. He didn't get a financial penalty, but he can't fly ever again.

Always check NOTAMs, even if its just a short hop.

But first: make a selfie with the fighter jet in the background.

@@AaronShenghao you're right however the NOTAM system really needs to be reworked as often important information do not get to the relevant recipients. It could me much more effective if integrated in the newer techologies.

It’s called reading i.e. read the NOTAMS. If you fly read the NOTAMS. If you don’t read the NOTAMS, don’t fly.

@@sharizabel4204 relevant NOTAMs are often mixed with tens of irrelevant NOTAMs and sometimes it is hard to distinguish. The "you just read" attitude is not the right approach. Most flying accident would have been prevented if the pilot(s) didn't make any mistake. We abandoned the "Just don't make mistakes" culture many years ago.

sometimes, they go to a different frequency to avoid warning(s)

Damn, they’re just asking to be shot at that point

It's one up from "I have a number for you to copy when ready"

You hear TFRs??

@@poggs It's 202.... (the White House)

No one is ever on frequency...

@@kenclark9888 I hear them from the fillings in my teeth.

I think it was "Did I F-ck up?"

who ended up winning?

@@vlcthefish The Stugna won this dogfight, but we'll see if he can keep his title in the oncoming rounds

Apparently if a comment above is accurate, the plane didn’t so much as land but crashed

Was it in 1 piece or a million?? lol

"Fortunately, no one was injured"

There was a car of gentlemen in suits awaiting his arrival…

He could have put 'landed' in quotes to make it sound more sinister I mean exciting

I would monitor KGRK … serves as a mini ATC with lines to Ft Worth Center so I get astounding learnings such as one can pass over the Restricted at or above 12,500 which has to be due to the artillery shells which are practice rounds

Or at the very least, monitoring 121.5.

ATC is typically too busy to talk to VFR airplanes.

@@FlyMeAirplane In many areas this is correct.

@@FlyMeAirplane I've never had a problem with ATC flying VFR in the 20 years I've been flying. Sometimes the controller was very new (around 2012 when lots of them were retiring), however I always have been able to get flight following.

Oh he definitely got an FAA number to call, they probably wrote it right on the Sercret Service incident report.

Well you have to a) plan the flight correctly b) feed your garmin correctly) c) fly as you planned. Three stages at which anything can go wrong. ;)

I saw a case where they moved the TFR after the guy was in the air!

@@Quotenwagnerianer wouldn't a be "read your NOTAMs"?

@@kevinmencer3782 I consider that included in planning a flight correctly. ;)

@@joshuahudson2170 they show future TFR's that arent active on foreflight. no excuse

exactly along that if someone else is in duress and cannot raise anyone else, can use Guard 1 also. i ALWAYS have a radio monitoring Guard 1

Doesn't everyone?

@@charlieinsingapore sadly, no, maybe a tiny fraction of pilots actually monitor Guard 1 when possible

I monitored 121.5 … not one response ever > You call on the channel already in use

For me this reinforced how important it is to stay tuned to guard on cross countries. Glad to see the military assumes pilots are up and will probably always try you on 121.5 if you mess up.

No they threw snowballs at him that they have stashed away in the freezer

" *(pow)* ATC has *(pow)* a number *(pow)* for you to call. *(pow)* "

@@ki5aok TFRs are not phone calls. They are come to the conference room calls.

@@scottfranco1962 Oh, one of those calls. I feel sorry for the pilot...those conference room invites never turn out well.

I'd say forget the pilot license at that point 😆

When you have a threat of being fired upon on you, communicate might jump a little higher on the priority list...

@@aeternusdoleo4531 the list would quickly become communicate Communicate COMMUNICATE LOL

In this incident you left out defecate....

@@Greg-wq4dj god dammit, beat me to it!! LMAO

Nah, aviate is still top priority. This plane was fine, but the other one crashed on final after being intercepted.

Indeed we do - but we have had a couple of occasions where we've got airborne from the UK, and the TFR has only been notified after our departure. Usually ATC are up to speed and help us out, but I know it's caught out a couple of colleagues in the past. It's always fun being chastised for not reading the NOTAM's by some cleverdick on the RT - yeh, well, if they had published them 10 hours ago, everything would have been Dandy - but sometimes the very nature of TFR's means they only get published with a few hours notice. I can't get too worked up by it TBH! Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave!

And when in doubt, call Flight Service.

Just a question: Can private pilots use the flight information service in the US? In Germany we use it every time when doing cross-country flying. You can simply request traffic information by file a VFR flight plan to ATC via a radio call after take off. They will warn you if you get to close to a TFR or other traffic and hand you if you enter controlled air space. I would not fly without it in metropolitan areas like Philadelphia...

@@Mr21December2012 Yes. Flight Service in the US can be accessed by phone where you can speak with a briefer, online where you can have all the weather, NOTAM and TFR information compiled for you based on your route of flight in a single report. Or you can contact them on various radio relays often combined with VORs. The last part of what you describe sounds like VFR flight following, which you can request from any ATC and they will assign you a unique squawk code and assist you with traffic and weather advisories on a workload permitting basis. Always a great idea when flying cross country or at night.

@@Mr21December2012 Philly is Class Bravo airspace, so VFR pilots talking to ATC would automatically get traffic advisories.

Did you fly N84176 one hour ago?

Is Noble out of ACY? Didn't think there were any other fighters in the area.

@@WillRyan514 yes they are. F-16s. They can get to the OQN area in a matter of minutes. It’s crazy.

@@ynL1337 nope.

Piper Cherokee?

TFRs for the President are not announced far in advance. And they probably never will be. If you put a modest amount of thought into it, you might figure out that this is for a very good reason. Part of the duty of flying is to monitor comms.

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What is MOA?

@@davidlambert3892 Military Operations Area.

Lol my thoughts exactly, I was pretty surprised he was having such a hard time, although I guess ATC is probably not quite as useful as the normal methods used by the USAF to search for their targets 😂

Well, remember as well that Noble11 is a fighter jet whose stall speed (between 130 and 180KIAS depending on type) is greater than the airspeed of the DA-40 in question while on approach* (80KIAS). *Approach speed courtesy of Flight Aware's radar data from ATC.

I should imagine it's challenging to pick out a slow-moving target as small as a DA-40 with on-board radar looking down into ground clutter. Even co-altitude with a target at 1,000 AGL I can imagine the radar is going to return a lot of ground clutter and the computer will have a difficult time picking out a slow-moving DA-40. Given how fast an F-16 closes the distance the pilot probably has to really limit the scan volume to get a return quickly, only to turn away again almost as soon as he finds it. Then rinse and repeat every single pass.

@@greasemonkey981 reminds me of a future short story, where a person in a rowing boat takes out an automated navy fleet, because it's defences are tuned to defend against fleet-sized enemys, and the rowing boat is considered noise and disregarded.

That's why he kept asking for altitude. He wanted to get low enough to pick his slow ass up on radar

In about ten years the US Army will be receiving helicopters with a pusher prop that will be able to intercept most civilian aircraft.

@@MajorHavoc214 they could probably use drones today if they really wanted to

@@JoshuaCasey oh.

Mok214 - - What is a pusher prop?

@@_Breakdown Helicopter with a prop on the back of it to push it additional to the helicopter's main rotor.

Bra or braa bearing range altitude or bearing range altitude attitude

@@Utubesuperstar Bearing Range Altitude Aspect.

@@Gwarrar02 yeah aspect not attitude you are correct but bra is still a thing for example it would be bull 315 at 25 angels. 20 braa would be that plus hot cold or flanking

@@Utubesuperstar ...No, that is incorrect. There are bullseye calls, or there are BRAA calls. Bullseye is off a known reference point, BRAA is off the position of the aircraft. You would also never say angels in a bullseye or braa call or "at" as that could cause confusion on the radio. You should also never say "for" in any calls because that can be confused with the number four. For example, Bullseye 285/65 25k Track North Hostile 2 contacts, should be voiced as "Magic, Single group Bullseye two eight Five, sixty five, twenty five thousand, Track North, Hostile, 2 contacts." Whereas a BRAA would be "Viper1, Single Group BRAA two eight five, sixty five, twenty five thousand Hot Hostile 2 contacts." Hot, Cold, Flank, Drag, Beam are only in BRAA or Maneuver comm, you would use Cardinal Direction for bullseye calls. You can literally read the publication on the Army website if you really want. LOTatc and DCS has a lot of the formatting and comm wrong because too many people are trying to blend ATC and GCI.

No, not AF1.

Only if in front of the fighter. Their radar cannot detect to the sides very far, maybe 50 degrees or so, but the ATC controller said it was to his 3 o'clock which would be 90 degrees to his right.

Dude the tiny plane was at 1100 ft and going slow as shit. APG-68 was probably struggling to sort. If anything I'd blame the GCI for not giving valid point outs to keep him visually caged on his target.

They probably have to corelate their picture with GCI or ATC. It's easy to make mistake and lock wrong track.

He was not a legitimately elected president, so there was no violation.

Planes just get faster. 10 miles is nothing. The fighters couldn't even get close in the 4 minutes that would take to traverse.

@@gringoloco8576 so amend the rules to allow all VFR flights, practice instrument approaches, crop dusting, and banner towing but with a temporary mode-C veil. Or maybe even obtain a discrete squawk before entry or takeoff. That way they shouldn't be surprised 10 nm out. 30 nm is excessive.

500 knots is 8-1/3 nm per minute. That's 3 minutes to intercept an inbound Flight 93 from the center of the TFR. I'm fairly sure they didn't just go "umm, how about 30 nm? You think that will do?" The rules need to be uniform for all or they just cause confusion, which results in more violations and more risk of error on all sides.

@@Markle2k 91.117 already places a 250 kt speed restriction below 10K ft MSL. Most of the operations that are completely shut down by the 30 nm ring operate in that regime already. I don't really know where you got the 500 kt figure from.

@@FencerPTS The hijackers on Flight 93 didn't give a rat's ass about the FARs. They weren't even type certified to fly a 757. They were just MSFS jockeys.

@@RLTtizME Certainly not. This can be a learning experience for all involved. The student should be made more aware of the presence of the presidential TFR since it comes up so frequently around here, and the instructors should emphasize it with their students. This could also have been a PPL or higher who was just renting the aircraft. I don't at all mean to throw the instructors at Wings under the bus; they are all very good. This is just one more thing that we can all learn from.

@@RLTtizME , I believe that's what you said.

@@RLTtizME he has a bmw logo Karen alert...

I was actually at Wings waiting for a flight lesson shortly after this occurred and I heard some of the instructors talking about it. I don't have the full story so I'm not gonna try and act like I know what exactly happened, but from what I overheard, I don't believe that this was a student solo. It was either a duel flight lesson or a PPL just renting. Many of the instructors, I believe, were given clear warnings about the TFR and noise-abatement procedures off of runway 24 which leads me to think it's potentially a less-experienced private pilot, maybe?? These are all just guesses and in no way certain, but I'm interested to learn more.

@@ragheadand420roll Nothing he said was 'karen' or wrong.

@UC3DtwksLZVJBpodFtjGNAEw - I emphatically agree with this. Checking for NOTAMS, TFR’s and Safety Notices is silly easy and quick. Should be done before flight, but can be done during flight. Mistakes happen, but this one doesn’t need to be one of them. If you have and regularly update most any kind of flight GPS, it can begin howling before you even get close.

Especially on the east coast, double especially where DC SFRA is close by and you know there are vip tfrs often

It's been mandatory for ALL aircraft to monitor 121.5 at ALL times since 2001. It's NOTAM FDC 4/4386. Zero excuse.

So you had to be in constant comms with the SS via ATC basically, else they would also send in the jets? Guess that makes sense, although as far as you can't comment due to security, also seems like a bit of a risk for SS to assume those with the codes were still legit (insofar as you can squark whatever you want and if its said over unencrpyted). I forget my question now, but sounds fun :)

... and his CFI is gonna be up a creek without a paddle ...

And yet never checked for NOTAMs or TFRs.

@@DarkpawTheWolf Or listen to the radio when they're trying to be called on multiple frequencies.

Not a student, It was just a rental

rental doing touch and goes is what I heard through the grapevine. Explains why he didn't have guard up

Nah, actually we are saying "Damn, poor student... stupid CFI"

The guy probably didn't even have the mixture cut before Secret Service was on his ass. OOf

If a solo student, instructor that signed him off for that flight is also in big trouble. Unlikely. I was required to use VFR flight following on student solos, so this would not happen, as i would be on frequency and controllers could keep me out of trouble.

Not a student, I train at said flight school and heard it was just a rental with someone doing touch and go’s

@@austingaber9357 that would explain why he didn't check NOTAMs. Just grabbed his coffee and thought it was gonna be some easy laps

The fighter jet was already up patrolling CAP. It's not like they launched it just for you.

Likely nothing for the jet(s). That does not mean there won't be plenty of other trouble and fines.

Nothing getting shot out of Sky is Free

@@MadSkull04 better him than me

@@MadSkull04 Of course that's never happened. A (fairly old) article I found refers to 1000+ violations in a year. Interviews with aviation attorneys refer to common punishments such as: 15 day suspensions. So they aren't even levying significant fines.

Depending on how the fighters were equipped, yes.

They do

I don't know the specifics on the ammunition used in the aircraft cannons, but there are both 20mm and 30mm rounds, which fire self detonating projectiles. CWIS and other missle defense systems use them

Well some of the most devastating (unintentional... Kinda) airstrikes on us soil were from American jets trying to take down an unmanned target vehicle overa populated area, so hopes aren't high that it would be contained to just the target vehicle.

That and it saves time when you need to curse out the drunk doctor in a seaplane that just flew across your windshield

depends on how the FAA phone call goes and how cooperative the pilot was in the air and on the ground.

Potential: Lecture... Civil fine Loss of licence (temporary or permanent) Criminal prosecution with prison and or criminal fine. Or all of the above.

@@ghostrider-be9ek no phone call in this instance, face to face questioning with Secret Service or depending on what the TFR was for, FBI or SS

Might be hard to find because it has expired... tfr.faa.gov/tfr_map_ims/html/reg/scale3/tile_4_2.html

i had it posted, who the fuck is reporting my comments and deleting them....... god damn yall

i posted it to your discussion page on your profile since i cannot seem to post it here

@@StratMatt777 thank you

@@CapStar362 thank you

Yeah, same. Btw I use this app.

The guy was apparently doing touch and goes in a rental. So probably didn't even think of getting a brief. Big learning moment for that poor sod

Oh, there'll be a number to call. He may be given a quarter to make that call...

KS: That phone number is chalked on the AIM-9 Sidewinder they deliver to him! ;)

@@jackielinde7568 At what point is the number irrelevant because they'll be waiting with armed backup, assuming they don't get shot down first?

@@matthewmiller6068 You're allowed one phone call when they arrest you. (Hence the quarter reference. It's an old reference, but it checks out.)

its back flying already as of yesterday