I am 5 1/2 years on the Esselstyn diet post heart attack. Her point about "following a straight line" - and just not having choices anymore - puts into words something I struggle to explain to others. For me, a beef burger (for example) isn't even food. I would just as soon try to eat my socks.

WoW, her husband doing the fast with her, him being at home taking care of the kids. My hat to him! She has a very supportive family. This woman is a wonderful soul and a great inspiration. Thanks for the interview Chris.

This channel is among the highest quality across all categories of KZfaq and I love how the creator is trying to seek the ‘truth’. Please continue to push these videos out as I’m sure your channel will grow as more and more people begin to understand what really contributes to longevity. It would be interesting to see you interview Bryan Johnson, Blueprint. It appears a lot of his work aligns with your’s.

Checking into True North in 3 hours 🎉

Chris - I don't agree with your comment - When you "dismiss" the Esselstyn position about "Heart Disease being a toothless paper tiger". He's obviously not talking about heart conditions that people are born with or predispositions that are inherited. Dr. Esselstyn's comment is about the other 98% of cardiac related illnesses that are largely self-inflicted and which predictably kill millions of people around the world - every year.

From my own experience at TrueNorth, I would like to see them embrace the rehab-center model even more than they do. More support for people staying there would have been very helpful.

Chris, never stop doing this. You’re the reason I’m vegan; wfpb. I was two years into processed fake meat and cheese vegetarian. I watched your episode about Drs and you didn’t say good things about the Dr I had been religiously following for two years, so I thought you were wrong and I was mad at you. But you haunted me and I kept watching. You weren’t wrong and you’re not a jerk 😂. I love seeing your family and I so love your style and format. Ivonne, you’re amazing and thank you for sharing your story. You are right about not looking back. A general comment. She and her family are such an asset to our country. We need to embrace people and families who want to become citizens. They are not drug dealers and bad people. I saw a little bit of that with my German mother coming here not long after WWII as an army bride. I learned the word Nazi from neighbors referring to my mom.

Book tip: Ultra Processed People by Dr Chris van Tulleken. Covers similar topic, showing the food industry is the new tobacco industry.

I'm a little confused.. you acknowledge that comment in the beginning about how your previous video on True North was low on scientific background and mostly served as a platform to give almost unquestioningly positive PR (from both an employee and lead scientist) You even express some skepticism in the first few minutes and I would argue you correctly point to the systems of economy that incentivise costly medical interventions that can justify the high price of clinical trials. However, the rest of the 45 minutes of the video are an extended anecdote from a non-expert who's advice boiled down to "follow your gut" along with more generic diet and support-system related suggestion. Im gonna have to agree with the comment that this feels like an infomercial. I'm hopeful for the prospects of food and diet as medicine and I'm happy to see so many people have such radical success in these water fasting clinics, but I just suppose it would be nice to see your interviews and questions be a bit more critical.

This is one of my favourite channels. I did, however, had some issues with this interview. She said that you should follow your gut, that if you are determined, then whatever you decide is the right choice, your body responds to your beliefs, and ideas along those lines. That is magical thinking. Which I understand, I am from Chile, and magical thinking seems to be part of Latinamerican culture. Lets just not forget that this interview is not from the perspective of a scientist, and enjoy it without taking it as science.

This Lady is amazing, GOD Bless Her! I hope She has good health and long Life.

She say she was 50!? Here I was thinking she was in her 30s or something. Lol

Caution. Remember Steve Jobs had a treatable form of pancreatic cancer. He elected to delay western medical treatment for 9 months, and chose alternative medicine treatments instead. He ultimately regretted his decision after finding out his pancreatic cancer had metastasized during the time he deferred medical treatment, and ultimately died from the cancer. A blend of western and natural medicine is likely the best treatment.

Love the content and delivery. 1) Chris, the baseball cap makes you look very handsome. If you wear a sunhat, it will protect more of your face (esp ears) and encourage others to do the same. 2) Ivonne's story was so authentic. Anyone watching the interview can tell this was not "an informercial" . Thank you to Chris and Michelle for all you do and who you are. The world is a better place because of you.

The day after I was diagnosed with stage 3 cervical pre-cancer described as a severe cell abnormally requiring urgent surgery I transitioned to a strict whole food plant based diet. The surgery was scheduled exactly 8 weeks and 1 day after the initial diagnosis but was canceled on the spot as the area had completely healed on it s own. 4 years and two follow ups later, no sign of cancer. I feel good and several other issues, such as a gum disease have also disappeared. Since my transition, I caught 2 minor colds. I haven t had any cold or sick days for the last two years though. I never caught covid either, unvaccinated.

An interesting story, responsibly told. Thanks for sharing this inspiring story without over hyping the benefits of fasting.

I'm the same way Chris. If I allow myself to indulge in one cookie, then it becomes two, then three, then twelve! Having fresh fruit that's easy to get to helps me. I have a bowl of ripe apricots on my table right now. I indulge in 2-3 of those a day and I'm good

❤ amazing woman. Loved this interview. Very hard being positive in this world without also dealing with a life threatening illness. Bravo Yvonne ❤

Great interview. Really enjoy Michelle's style of interviewing. Honest account of Yvonne's cancer journey. The highlight I take away is that every person is unique, and their health, well-being, and path, is their own to make and take. Professionals do not have all the answers, nor can they offer any guarantees to their patients. We must choose what is right for us, and hope for the best outcome.

Ivonne’s outlook on life is remarkable. What were your takeaways from this interview? ❤

My husband has folicular lymphoma. He did chemo when he was diagnosed , but says he’ll never go through that again. However, he will not change his diet. It’s very frustrating to know that he could help himself more, but won’t try.

Thank you for acknowledging that it can go away on it's own.

WOW! What a life changing interview. I'm totally grateful to have seen it. Thank you so very much.

I appreciate that she brought up the chemotherapy thing. I think we all have a family member for whom it was no use.

I just want to add that a lot of scientific research in the not so hard sciences NEED anecdotal studies to find the things that have potential for further research. But since these have a very low weight as scientific evidence, they are rarely accepted by prestigious journals. So it's not really a sign of bad quality, it's just that these studies by nature have no or low statistical quality and therefore fall on the fringe of the scientific system. Which is fine actually. It's the first step to discover something interesting and over time produce better data and knowledge.

It saddens me that insurance companies won't cover this type of treatment. I go to John Hopkins in Odenton, Maryland and anytime I try to bring up doing a water fast they always make it sound like I'm some crazy pseudoscience follower. 😢 I can't afford to stay at true health and my doctors are unwilling to accommodate a water fast.

I’ve just started sharing videos on my KZfaq channel about how we make simple, nutritious plant foods that are almost all in line with Dr Esselstyn’s heart disease reversal program in the hopes it might help others who are trying to reverse disease with a simple, whole plant food diet. Eating simple, healthy whole plant foods is what has made this lifestyle sustainable for our family of four for fourteen years. I loved watching this interview-such a positive, well-balanced conversation.

Beautiful and touching interview. Thanks.

As always , great work and good video. Keep them coming !

I like the comment about abandoning cheese. Cheese is the only product that was able to make me feel "full and satisfied". It was absolute and total heaven. Unfortunately, it took 850 grammes of cheddar to achieve that and it only lasted for about 4 hours. I did it a few times, every time with the same result. That finding led me to decide it wasn't worth it and I decided never to eat cheese anymore. Surprisingly, it was one of the easiest decisions I ever made, and I don't miss it one bit, despite the fact that I realise I will probably/possibly never feel "full and satisfied" again.

This is great news. Having done 7 day water only fasts, I found that when i got dizzy I found taking warm water with Himalayan sea salt seemed to be the reason why I stopped being dizzy within minutes

Great interview! Thank you Ivonne! Michelle.. and the timely Hawk as Ivonne spoke about her late father. 💝🌻🎶🦅 How interesting that a “bird of prey” (pray? 😉 joined your conversation as you spoke about Eating well, Fasting, late father and Faith! 🌻🙏

as a long time viewer, I’m not really a fan of this video. I largely agree with the comment you highlighted and I’m glad you responded positively to the criticism, but ultimately I think this video still shares the problems with the last video that that comment took issue with. I’m glad you prepended the interview the way you did, but a small disclaimer up front is tough to weigh against (a) the entire video being focused on a single anecdote (for all we know this was a case of spontaneous remission) and (b) the majority of the video being an interview *by someone who works for the clinic*. I know you also asked some more critical questions at the end, and the video is surely better for it, but it’s such a small fraction of the total video, I think the criticism persists. The overall effect of the video did, to me, still feel like an infomercial, even if a somewhat more hedged one than the last video. I think this matters because there’s just a lot of risk in directing a popular audience to a very fringe and radical medical treatment, even if ultimately it might eventually be proven effective. You’ve spoken consistently about the importance of looking to scientific consensus (especially as a layman) and this video feels like the type of thing youve criticized others (e.g. carnivore diet promoters) for in the past.

Love your channel! Thank you!!!!!

Noticing a lot of older souls on this channel. Nice to see/observe/experience.

Another great watch, when's the next fast.

4:56 if he had only replied with something like: "I'm pretty sure we didn't script that last part" that joke would have been pure gold.

Great advice that Ivonne gave there.

I watched one guru. I think Pradip Jamnadas. He said if you go on a 7 day water fast, your risk of cancer is cut by 50% for the rest of your life.

I do wonder if oncologists would be so certain of spontaneous remission after a course of standard treatment. Or would they attribute it to the standard protocol? LOL. I'm the jaded survivor of a cancer patient whose conventional therapy killed her, and whose oncologist was desperate for cancer therapy to become more holistic after decades of watching his patients die, so any progress in that direction is heartening to me. This was a good interview by Michelle, and well edited by you, so thanks for posting!

Over the years I’ve met so many terminally ill people who refused chemo and tried natural and when that continued to fail them, they wanted chemo and conventional treatment, it was too late, particularly those with hard tumors. They should have started by removing the tumor and then tried the treatments…. I recently had a diet coke. (Mea culpa) I was shocked at how jittery it made me feel, I’ve never been on speed but I was flying through my day and the night and the next day. It wasn’t caffeine as I am familiar with that feeling. I hope it was worth it to coke, but I won’t be back.

Ok, I'm very confused. If it's already known that 10-20% of cases of this particular type of cancer undergo spontaneous remission (a baseline that they have to establish to prove that any particular chemo drug or other treatment has an effect), then why isn't that what most likely happened? Why is a single instance being given so much credence and an entire in-depth interview? If you look long enough, you'll find any pattern you want. You'll find a pack-a-day smoker that underwent spontaneous remission. You'll find someone who fasted that underwent spontaneous remission. That's why you have to have a proper blinded, randomized study with a larger number of participants to prove anything. If you flip a coin twice and it comes up heads twice, you might conclude that it's always going to be heads. If you ignore the statistics, you can easily mislead. As a scientist I KNOW Chris knows this, but he's not asking tough questions or providing a balancing viewpoint. I strongly disagree with her advice to "follow your gut" instead of listening to experts. The reality is that cancer is a devastating disease that in many cases we don't have a good way to treat , and I get that this leads to fear and desperation. There's tons of proof that a good diet has myriad positive affects on your health. But to imply that it can cure cancer that spontaneously remises in 10-20% of cases anyway, based on one example, is just too far over the line. Good diets are good for you, but they aren't magical.

I hope we're getting a video about the True North canteen!

Thanks to all for a most holistic and inspirational interview...keep the healing ripples of karma and Faith coming, Sir.

Amazing interview thanks you ❤ where was her tumor ???

No offense to anyone, but it sounds like she is the "poster child" for TN in having had good results. Are there others who have been cured of cancers where a good percentage of the cancers don't clear themselves. I'm not saying one way or the other if the fasting cured her, and I'm glad she is cancer free, but it just makes me more sceptical when she is the one interviewed. Perhaps Chris has more interviews of clients who were cured of other cancers coming which would more likely support the fasting regimen.

This lady is just a ray of sunshine.🌞

The idea of cooking without a recipe resonates with me. I eat foods, not recipes. If anything, the idea of cookbook-recipes kept me away for a long time. I am much more favourable to the style of le répertoire de la cuisine. just a collection of ideas, but I actually prefer to eat foods, not recipes. I am envious of those who can live on raw foods. While I love them, they make me full and ravenously hungry at the same time, a truly miserable feeling. I need cooked food. A microwave does the trick, so it is not really much of additional "work", but still.

If I wasn’t contraindicated for fasting I’m convinced by this. Funny side question - where can I get the wild hat? Thank you for what you do Chris.

The female interviewer mentioned that 20% of the cancers of that type spontaneously go away. I would be interested to see if there were any dietary changes in those 20%. Or any type of lifestyle changes whatsoever. Even a small degree of changes could mean something. This is where science *might* be failing us. IE Taking a look at the data and analyzing subsets.

I’ve searched the TrueNorth Health website for a good half hour but couldn’t find any info on if they do a salt water rinse (Glaubersalz, sodium sulfate) at the beginning of a multi-day water fast. Then I googled and couldn’t find anything either. Are salt water rinses (completely flushing the gastrointestinal tract with many liters of that special salt water solution) only a thing in Germany?

Hah! This time I'm punctual. Another great interview across the all relevant topics to nutrition. I love you.

I have started with fasting - it is hard, but you can see/feel the results straight away. Thank you for the video!

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Thank you #SaveSoil #Consciousplant. Beautiful example of humanity from everyone.

Thank you again for your cautious approach in this area. I too am fascinated by the results from SOS-free WFPB diets and water fasting. I wish for more research. I, like most people, have lost family members to cancer and have also seen those people suffer under traditional medical treatments. It angers me that chemo and radiation are promoted as cures when outcomes for many are only a few more months of life with a compromised quality of life. As Dr Michael Greger said, "If you put all the new chemo drugs together approved over a dozen years, the average overall survival benefit is 2.1 months. Now look, two months is two months, I don’t want to downplay that. But time and again, surveys have indicated that patients expect much more. Incredibly, about three-quarters of patients with metastatic lung or colorectal cancer did not report understanding that their chemo was not at all likely to cure their cancer. I mean, that’s the primary treatment, but the chemo is not curative; it’s just eking out a few extra weeks or months. Why weren’t the majority of patients told that? It’s not that they were being over-optimistic, explained the researcher. They were under the mistaken belief that the treatment offered a chance of cure when it in fact didn’t. That deprives patients of the opportunity to weigh the risks and benefits and make their own decisions about their own body." nutritionfacts.org/video/how-much-does-chemotherapy-improve-survival/ More research, more honest conversations & more videos like yours are needed for everyone's benefit. Be well.

Thanks for the video. I attended True North in the fall of 2021 to address high BP and emergence of an initial diagnosis of Adult onset RA. You do realize a drop in BP but this isn't sustained to the level achieved during fasting... likely do to not being as active. Regarding the RA it's gone now even after reintroduction of meats. I think the RA was addressed by the restricted diet and improving my microbiome by way of fiber and fermented foods. Basically, I suspect some form of leaky gut that healed. I'd say a third of the attendees where addressing dependencies... most notably antidepressents. Overall a thumbs up on the experience... water fasted for 9-days followed by the slow reintroduction of food. Just note it's a bit of a cult overtone however.

My father fasted at Dr Sheltons Health School for 40 days, for chronic ulcers. He did just fine, got rid of his problem. Thirty years later he received a radical prostatectomy, the "side effects" were kidney failure, which killed him. My mother lived to 100 healthfully on a largely vegetarian diet. She fasted a couple of times for a week. I've gone 10 days, 5 days, 3 days occasionally. Dr Goldhammer is doing a great job, consulting with "real doctors". Compared to the accepted body count resulting from medical intervention, fasting gets miracle results. Big pharma will fight to the death to block any therapy not drug related. Curing disease isn't the problem. Pharmaceutical bribery of government is the problem

A woman was following a high carb diet almost all her life. Got cancer. And find a cure in deep ketosis induced by a prolonged fast. Isn’t it consistent with the metabolic theory of cancer by Thomas Seyfried(that it’s glucose driven)? Also prolonged fasting decreases insulin sensitivity. Should we also consider it a downside like we do in case of the ketogenic diet?

Thank you for sharing. The interview was very inspiring. Yes, I believe 100% in water fasting. I do not need the conventional medical system to approve of that healthy choice as they support drugs and surgeries. I fasted at a supervised clinic, once for 11 days, and again a year after for 15 days. We need to give our body a rest and water fasting is a healing modality that is worthwhile. I believe everyone should do a long fast at least once in their lifetime. You slow down and appreciate the gifts that your body has. Just know that when you clean out your body, it will be more sensitive if you try to eat crap again. Whole plant foods are the way to go as animal products clog the human body.

I know we're still early in this research, but are there any theories on the mechanistic part of how fasting can revert cancer? Is it due to autophagy breaking the cells down?

3 days fasting has helped me get my stomach back on track together with whole plant food. Did try almost everything for 6 months nothing worked.

In the youtube queue, the word cancer is cut off. I think this may have negatively affected the views that this video.

She says her tumor volume was cut in half. That's sounds very good, but it seems to me the tumor has to decrease by many orders of magnitude, so in fact it is not much. How many halving would that take? a reduction by a factor of one billion, say from one billion tumor cells to 1, would require 30 halvings ( 10^9 = (10^3)^3 = (2^10)^3 = 2^30 ) .

Is Michelle wearing Xero shoes? Those look like Prios (my current daily driver).

I had non Hodgkin's but i had the dreaded chemo..i now do short fasts and 2 day fasting..most days intermittent fasting...but wow 21 days ..i had lost 25lbs when i had cancer.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! Make a video on pregnancy on a plant based/vegan diet. Before, during and after 🙏🙏🙏 there is not much of information on such an important topic. Or it’s hard to find and structure in digestible way. It will be so helpful to see your view on this topic!

Fasting works for me at least. So happy.

Now it's hitting hard the starch diet of Dr. John McDougall. It seems to work and has reversed many diseases. It would be interesting if you could upload a video talking in detail about this diet.

Dr Longo is doing a lot of research in this area.

can you do an episode about lymph and lymphodema etc and watch a diet video from a sturdy woman KZfaqr? & all this conecting tissue issue

How can you tell if a health-recovery clinic doesn't publicize its successes while silently forgetting its failures? 0:53 Health recovery clinics fascinate me 2:51 I do admire these clinics for what they do. 4:32 I think it's right to be skeptical. While not discounting the extraordinary successes they often have.

How can we get some more rigorous scientific studies of chemo & biologic therapies vs extended water fasting? That's not the same as denying a patient a potential therapy and seems like it could be feasible.

for me, when I eat carbs, even bread, I cant stop at one slice, then I have a cola, the a chocolate bar, then another cola. Now I just say no.

Belief in a treatment only works if the treatment is correct. Belief is important for adherence to the treatment, but if it's the wrong treatment then belief won't make any difference. She made good decisions, but scientifically speaking, the results were positive because the cancer was treated properly. The fasting no doubt helped kick start the process but following it up with a WFPB diet was no doubt critical as well.

Thanks again for your pro-plant positivity.

Wouldn't a water fast result in very low blood sugars? As a type-1 diabetic of many, many years, I can vouch for the consequences of even less than severe numbers, anything 10 units below 80. I certainly never experienced an increase in energy, nor did I feel more alert. I can only assume that going without food for 3 weeks would bring a normal person's levels down to 20-30 units. When I had such hypoglycemic incidents, they were more the equal of nightmarish LSD trips (though I admit that I never once took LSD) than anything even remotely passing for a sense of "well-being".

What kind of water?

The water-only fasting thing has suddenly engulfed my thoughts. I’m someone who has had great success with WFPB but even on a strict regimen of diet and exercise my blood pressure numbers have skyrocketed in the last 6 months and it looks like I’ll have to go on blood pressure medication. This leads me to the struggle I see with something like water-only fasting. If the results are so promising, that is on one hand incredibly encouraging. But it also strikes me as inaccessible to most of the population. I’ve looked into True North but how many people can afford a lengthy stay at such a place? And beyond financial inaccessibility, how many people can put their lives on hold in order to access this supervised fasting regimen? I’m sure this would leave many people considering doing their own water-only fasts at home, but that appears to come with some severe health risks. So where does that leave all but the few lucky who manage to align all the various stars in order to access this life-saving treatment?

i did a 14-day water fast, i was skin over bones, but i feel that it helped some things but worsen other problems that caused long term health problems

I think, I believe wholeheartedly, that it’s just a matter of time before these results are medically and scientifically proven

So being vegan for 2 years and not eating much meat the whole life did not prevent the issue. I myself follow WFPBD and blame my melanoma on my sun exposure as a kid. And still dealing with some other genetic tendencies, so could that be the explanation for Ivonne too?

Why not continue with a fast mimicking diet ?

I'm intrigued by what true north has accomplished and has to offer, but this interview in my opinion doesn't Inspire confidence. I understand this is a personal story/anecdote. The magical thinking, anecdotes, lack of science and an unwillingness to recognize the cancer may have resolved itself really puts a bad taste in my mouth. So many red falgs that I can't ignore. She seems like a really sweet lady and I envy her positivity, but we have to be honest and objective. Currently there is little to no compelling evidence here.

Hi 👋 did she have Instagram??

I appreciate her sharing her story, but something left a bad taste in my mouth. That push that positivity is 80% of the healing and that if you really want to live, you will. I’ll tell you, nobody wanted to live more than my mom did. She had an absolute positive outlook. But cancer still took her. It stings to have this lady who had luck on her side, victim blame those who lost their battles by insinuating that they just weren’t positive enough, or didn’t want life as much as she did.

Debate doctor berry about carnivore

I fasted for 21 days + 7 days refeeding 😊 So did many I have personally met ...

So, her main stream medical doctor was dismissive of the idea that the fast assisted in her body, conquering the cancer; I do wonder if she had taken the main stream medical approach, done chemo and all that, if the doctor would have been as dismissive, oh, these things sometimes Resolve on their own sometimes I’m sure it wasn’t the chemo. 🤔

She was eating very little meat and still got cancer... Also, a metabolism tuned to gain fat upon inputing the wrong stuff like seeds and oils and carbs ... Possibly even with too much fruits in the wrong combinations. Also she doesn't seem to be anywhere in touch with physical activity (just a presumption) ... Attitude and stress are the most important. Because they determine how you digest and absorb the same foods 😊 Not the foods unless they are complete crap for too long 😊

i have lymphoma

Too anecdotal in my opinion. She does not know if the cancer would have been 'side's if she did nothing, like it does with twenty percent of people with similar cancer. She is making her plant based journey and fasting seem like a religious experience. Absolutely no science in this interview. Sorry Chris, but I agree with the comment you showed at the start. I myself adopted a plant based lifestyle just over five years ago, so I am not anti Vegan. My experience with being on a whole plant based diet is wholly positive, but I can't say with any confidence that my diet has improved my health issues. However I can confidently say that it has stopped my constipation and acid reflux issue, but has had very little effect on my other health issues.

The Science on this has been done in 2012 you are just behind the times and just now catching up to what has already been accomplished look up professor Volter Longo at UCLA has a couple of books out and made a move “Science of Fasting” which explains the whole thing

So placebo everywhere 😊 But still she's no where near her best self still juggling with addictions and obvious extra weight (just by looking at her face). She should try carnivore and then fast if it doesn't go the right way ... I suspect sge would change her paradigm entirely 😊

It's interesting to listen to vegan and vegetarian outlooks on their diet when they say, that's the only way to cure cancer, or to have a healthy lifestyle, and yet the carnivore diet says the same thing; just replace vegan with carnivore in their sentences

As a vegan following a whole food plant based diet who is also a cancer survivor, I find this testimony dangerous… cancer is not simply mental and attitude or belief in you treatment…. Fasting and the diet and attitude most likely help but western medicine has its place, and many times necessary to survive. Be careful who you listen too. Careful monitoring is required as there are points of no return.

Can you get back to the factual videos with graphs and data? I love the early stuff, getting really bored of the interviews. I want more “vegan ammo” and actionable advice. I like those walks through the forest with cuts to great information and less case studies and vegan interviews with other vegans. Gets too preachy and ‘culty’. I want evidence, debunks and new research. Can you do this? I do love fun cuts of your family but I’m mainly here for you and not so much a whole video of your younger interviewer. You have a good approach and take criticism very well. This is why I subscribed almost immediately but I feel you could put the last several months of your content on a podcast. Sorry

The fasting aspect of treating cancer and disease in general makes complete sense but a Vegan diet especially one as high glycemic as the pictures you showed if her food is insane for anyone who has had cancer. Cancer loves sugar that is a fact and the fact she has said she struggles with weight gain means she is struggling to stay metabolically healthy. The only people who should be eating high glycemic diets are athletes and i dont hear her talking at all about adding exercise to her life. Exercise is the one constant most people in science and medicine recognize as important for overall health, longevity, functionality, metabolic and cardio vascular health. My question is why are so many vegans and vegetarians getting cancer if it is such a healthy diet. Obviously processed food be it regular processed or Vegan processed is largely grain, sugar and seed oils and yet a supposed vegan diet can include processed grain made into flour and that isconsidered healthy when bread whole grain or not as sn example is problematic not only is it like eating a bowl of sugar i question if there are toxins in grain we dont even know about. Grains are a seed meant to be consumed whole by a ruminant herbivore that pass through the digestive tract in the manure to replant the grain. We know for example stone fruit pits have cyanide inside to keep the pits from being eaten. So if an animal eats a cherry the hard outer shell of the pit protects the inner poison and it passes through the digestive tract to plant a new tree. So no animal is suppose to process grain and break open the hard outer case that protects the seed. I think processed grain is where the dysfunction and disease are primary coming from. Good luck ever proving that no one would ever fund that study as grain is considered the foundation of most human diets. All of you can continue with grain as your diets foundation, i will not and have been largely grain free for almost 2 years. Processed grain is also where peoples weight gain and metabolic dysfunction is coming from. I hear Vegan arguments about how people get pleasure from eating meat well from a satiety and nutritionally dense food perspective it is satiating but its nothing like the pleasure i get from eating bread, french fries, cheese cake or ice cream. Even a pineapple is more pleasurable to eat than meat. That whole argument is a fools errand.

While I don’t willfully fast, it amazes me the whole food plant based people who do overlook how the body survives during a fast. During a fast the body is surviving on saturated fatty acids, protein and water. Of course a fast can’t go on forever, but one can eat saturated fat, protein and drink water everyday.(Lest we forget this is called unhealthy by the whole food plant based community).Internal saturated fat and protein VS external saturated fat and protein. Exactly the same except one method is sustainable for the long term (aka lifelong)

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