Did Angels Really Smite the Enemies of Israel?

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Shameless Popery Podcast

Shameless Popery Podcast

2 ай бұрын

In this episode, Joe Heschmeyer explores the historical evidence surrounding 2 Kings 19 and the mysterious destruction of the Assyrian armies.
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@isabelincorvaja5234
@isabelincorvaja5234 2 ай бұрын
Dear Joe... I was hanging to the Catholic Church by a thread.... Until I stumbled into you... Into your video about real worship to be exact . It was as if a blindfold was removed from my eyes. Since then I have listened to many of your podcasts, and I am learning so much.... As a cradle catholic , I realise how little I know! Can't thank you enough. I will gladly support you on patreon , as a small token of my gratitude. God bless you !
@grossepointemichigan
@grossepointemichigan 2 ай бұрын
Great testimony!
@xehaexox
@xehaexox 2 ай бұрын
It was a great video
@shamelesspopery
@shamelesspopery 2 ай бұрын
God bless you! This was wonderful encouragement. Know of my prayers for you! It seems like God is doing something amazing in your life.
@theresakendziora8992
@theresakendziora8992 2 ай бұрын
Bless you!
@randompetsandnuns
@randompetsandnuns 2 ай бұрын
That was one of the most convicting videos. It's hard to argue about what "worship" is, after watching that one.
@irritated888
@irritated888 2 ай бұрын
Criminally underrated channel! Good work.
@Joel-nz9oj
@Joel-nz9oj 2 ай бұрын
I had been searching for this topic for 3-4 weeks... And today it was released by one of my favourite catholic apologists😃😃;Thank you Joe😇😇
@richardkasper5822
@richardkasper5822 2 ай бұрын
Synchronicity abounds in God's people.
@shamelesspopery
@shamelesspopery 2 ай бұрын
That's amazing! I'm thrilled to have been a part of that for you.
@Joel-nz9oj
@Joel-nz9oj 2 ай бұрын
​​​@@shamelesspoperyWhaaat!!! I can't believe you replied to my comment , Thank You So Much Joe🙏🙏😃😃🥰🥰 I am a Syro-Malabar Catholic from India and also Brother it was your video, which finally cleared all my doubts regarding perpetual Virginity Of The Blessed Theotokos😇🙏🙏 Keep Doing God's Work brother, Highly Appreciate all the content you do, and certainly would be Praying for You🥰🥰😇
@Joel-nz9oj
@Joel-nz9oj 2 ай бұрын
​@@richardkasper5822Brother thank you for the comment, and brother in light of my current constant battles with sin, you Calling me part of "God's people", Means so much to me😭😇😇🥰, Again Thank you Brother, May God Bless you and Your Family 🙏🙏😇
@richardkasper5822
@richardkasper5822 2 ай бұрын
@@Joel-nz9oj I'll add you to my prayers Joel . And keep in mind God uses everything to our betterment. Pray the Rosary daily and you may find your sins get lighter everyday that's been my experiance anyway. It takes about 25 minutes but I know God is happy with me for those minutes.
@deepusnttf432
@deepusnttf432 2 ай бұрын
This is one of the best example for me : How to interpret the scripture.. scripture in a context and scripture as a whole. Thanks Joe..
@tonyl3762
@tonyl3762 2 ай бұрын
You made a very specific OT event very interesting, bringing in extrabiblical sources!
@mikelopez8564
@mikelopez8564 2 ай бұрын
Knights of Columbus shirt? Nice!
@irishandscottish1829
@irishandscottish1829 2 ай бұрын
I always have to have subtitles on for the beginning of the video for the shameless potpourri But sadly today subtitles let me down - today we are listening to shams popri by Joe Hesme
@randompetsandnuns
@randompetsandnuns 2 ай бұрын
😆😂🤣
@shamelesspopery
@shamelesspopery 2 ай бұрын
That's hilarious!
@StanleyPinchak
@StanleyPinchak 2 ай бұрын
Just wait until he teams up with Freedom Tunes and they make Seamus Potpourri
@michaelbeauchamp22
@michaelbeauchamp22 2 ай бұрын
This is a great breakdown. I had heard the argument that Sennacherib's account was biased, but I never saw all the evidence showing how it was for sure wrong. Well done and thank you!
@laurahill2202
@laurahill2202 2 ай бұрын
The real miracle is that the soldiers of the israelite army slept through it! Don't the Psalms and The Lord tell us He will give us a peaceful sleep, in the midst of the storm He is there?! lol, now THAT I find lifts my spirits even higher!
@RexKochanski
@RexKochanski Ай бұрын
"The Israelite army slept through it" I would think that the sentinels on the wall of Jerusalem (mentioned in the Psalms, and an obvious military precaution) would have been awake, but whether they had enough natural light to see much would be doubtful (must...not...reference "Game of Thrones"...rats! I couldn't stop myself; rats...or, MICE, plague upon 'em!). Mice, of course, CAN have the plague upon them, within infected fleas (a critical detail which the Egyptians did not realize). Recently it has been discovered that plague bacteria can also infect human body lice, so perhaps "dirty Assyrian" was more than just an insult? In any case, the sentinels, and perhaps more of the defenders of Jerusalem, would certainly notice the terror in the Assyrian camp in the morning, and the remaining soldiers marching away...a little faster than usual, perhaps. Also I can't help but wonder: did this denouement to the taunt influence the Ninevites when Jonah came to call preaching its destruction?
@mitchellnemitz
@mitchellnemitz 2 ай бұрын
Oh this is going to be an awesome video
@HumanDignity10
@HumanDignity10 2 ай бұрын
I love it when sources outside of the Bible help to prove the truth in the Bible. Thanks for sharing!
@MrsYasha1984
@MrsYasha1984 2 ай бұрын
Amazing work Joe!
@nicolasramirez3944
@nicolasramirez3944 2 ай бұрын
Your content is such a good level, so accessible, and so valuable. Love exposing the sources! History is beautiful
@marymounce5188
@marymounce5188 2 ай бұрын
I loved this thank you!
@buffalonickels657
@buffalonickels657 2 ай бұрын
I am always fascinated with biblical events when the supernatural has elements of a natural explanation, thereby providing proof to those who doubt. If that makes sense? Great video! Hope to see more like it.
@mpasaa
@mpasaa 2 ай бұрын
I think what's also excellent about learning about these historical events is that it helps put Divine intervention into perspective and keeps that childish, 'hollywood-esque' view out of the discussion. Too often people view these supernatural events as if they have to match the latest Marvel movie and that's not the case at all. Very good description of this Biblical story....enjoyable.
@chris209123
@chris209123 2 ай бұрын
Just picked up your book, the Eucharist is really Jesus gonna start it tonight, your episode on the Eucharist really sold me on it, was left wanting more 😂
@MikePasqqsaPekiM
@MikePasqqsaPekiM 2 ай бұрын
That’s really cool. Loved the insight into Assyrian propaganda. One caution, but I’m not a scholar: Josephus is Jewish, so trusting him to bring us the Babylonian perspective may be naive (I don’t know, just recognizing this is another Jewish scholar agreeing with scripture. For all I know, he’s being faithful to the Babylonian perspective, of course).
@shamelesspopery
@shamelesspopery 2 ай бұрын
That's a completely fair point, and there's reason to be cautious in accepting such accounts. But having said that, Berossus's writings were still around at the time of Josephus, making it significantly less likely that he's just making this up. (Also, Berossus' account DOES differ from the Jewish account in speak of plague instead of angels, although this is easy to harmonize). For a readable piece on both Berossus's own (selective) fidelity to Babylonian history, and a bit on the history of the fragments of Berossus, I found Paul-Alain Beaulieu's "Berossus on Late Babylonian History" helpful.
@MikePasqqsaPekiM
@MikePasqqsaPekiM 2 ай бұрын
@@shamelesspopery and this is why you're one of my favorite channels. I'm really touched you took the time to write this response. Thank you!!!
@jaynesager3049
@jaynesager3049 2 ай бұрын
I got curious. I looked up acquired diseases that kill overnight. There are types of malaria and plague that do just that. If it came from mice, or the fleas they carry, the cause of their deaths could be pneumonic plague.
@damnedmadman
@damnedmadman 2 ай бұрын
This is also a prophecy about the Church - New Jerusalem 🙂
@roxanaconception
@roxanaconception 2 ай бұрын
HELLO 😌 I AM A BUT DELAYED TO YOUR CHANNEL AND WANTED TO KNOW OF YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT ST. JOSEPH. I SAW ONE WHERE YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE VIRGINITY OF OUR BLESSED MOTHER, BUT NOTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HER SPOUSE. (By the way, I’m not yelling:)
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 ай бұрын
Interesting that it is so well documented. The strong arm of the Lord.
@chase6579
@chase6579 2 ай бұрын
You should really do a video about what the sources say about the destruction of the temple. Its not spoken of enough. Also, I don't get why this would be a problem at all.
@carolinajackson7621
@carolinajackson7621 Ай бұрын
"That night the angel of the Lord went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand in the Assyrian camp. When the people got up the next morning-there were all the dead bodies! " (2 Sam 19, 35). PLAIN AS DAYLIGHT! Are we gonna believe God's Word or not?????? 2 Samuel 24, what Joe mentions, soecifies about a plague, but we see no mention of thar word here.
@benjaminfalzon4622
@benjaminfalzon4622 18 күн бұрын
Joe, you make me so Glad I left the Catholic church.
@WC_Refugee
@WC_Refugee 2 ай бұрын
"over night disease" the worlds worst hangover!🤮
@QuaseQuasimodo
@QuaseQuasimodo 2 ай бұрын
I've been thinking about this question for days and reading articles on the subject, but it seems impossible to find a satisfactory answer. After all, what is the origin of the different “races” among humans? 1) If the Tower of Babel episode is a literal historical fact, then why does the "founding myth" of the oldest civilizations we know (India, Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, Greece, etc.) have no event similar to this? The great flood is a story shared by many ancient civilizations, but the Tower of Babel is not. Why? 2) If the story of the Tower of Babel is only symbolic and metaphorical, then why the "punishment" described in Genesis is that God confused their language and scattered them across the face of the Earth? It seems a bad metaphor. We all know that the mere existence of different languages in the world is not the main reason that generates discord and separation between peoples; but rather the existence of conflicting cultures, values, interests and worldviews. Learning a new language is much easier than assimilating another culture or religion. Furthermore, recent decades seem to confirm that a people's culture is closely linked to its biological component (e.g.: the meticulousness and introspection of the Japanese people and the extroverted and rhythmic character of African people). 3) Symbolically or literally, after the destruction of the Tower of Babel, different civilizations and ethnicities would have formed. Does this mean that, if this is a fact, God would have abandoned all non-Jewish peoples until the expansion of Christianity throughout the world? How can I, a Bronze Age Chinese citizen, be judged according to a rule arising from a revelation that was never presented to me? It's like that basic question about Protestantism: so would God have abandoned his sheep for more than a thousand years until the lightning struck Luther's head and he finally restored the true Church? Is the so-called natural law that exists in all human hearts sufficient to answer this question?
@carolinajackson7621
@carolinajackson7621 Ай бұрын
Hello! The topic of the tower of Babel is a fascinating one. I would recommend a book by Bodie Hodge called The Tower of Babel. Of course it's a true story! There are no human "races", just more or less melanine or fat above the eyes.
@QuaseQuasimodo
@QuaseQuasimodo Ай бұрын
@@carolinajackson7621 The concept of race is not only linked to melanin, but to several other genetic factors. Anyway, thanks for the book recommendation.
@carolinajackson7621
@carolinajackson7621 Ай бұрын
@QuaseQuasimodo I understand what u mean, & I was very brief in my explanation. A book about the topic of human "races" from a Christian point of view would be One Blood, by Ken Ham: "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation" (Acts 17, 26)
@QuaseQuasimodo
@QuaseQuasimodo Ай бұрын
@@carolinajackson7621 Thank you very much. Christians generally avoid going into this subject, but I think it would be important to do so.
@carolinajackson7621
@carolinajackson7621 Ай бұрын
@QuaseQuasimodo I think those topics are fascinating!
@cristianherki2878
@cristianherki2878 2 ай бұрын
If you don't believe in a direct angelic intervention, you have two problems: what kind of pest,virus,etc.can kill so fast and sudden. Secondly, the same angel is mentioned when it strikes the first born of Egipt,avoiding ( so it can discern!) the Jews. If this Assyrian massacre is not taken literally, that the other story is not true,which raise huge problem. So decide!
@carolinajackson7621
@carolinajackson7621 Ай бұрын
Great explanation! There is NO reason for not taking this episode literally.
@benjaminfalzon4622
@benjaminfalzon4622 18 күн бұрын
If it is written in the Bible then it is true: Angels didn't just smite the enemies of Israel but they've also destroyed thousands of Israelites at God's command..."Go and tell David. this is what the Lord says: I am giving you three options, choose one for me to carry against you.2 Samuel 24:12.-17 Read the whole chapter for full details.
@richardjackson7887
@richardjackson7887 Ай бұрын
And God will rescue those he has chosen from the RCC, the 7th head of the beast as he did from from the 2nd half of the beast you are discussing!
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