Mormon Founder Joseph Smith Lied About Polygamy

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One of the most controversial aspects of LDS (Mormon) theology is what it teaches about "plural marriage" or polygamy. But many times, non-Mormons make bad arguments against this teaching. So here are some arguments to NOT use, as well as three important dimensions to consider in discussing the doctrine.
0:00 - Content Disclaimer
0:09 - Intro
0:51 - recap
3:01 - apologetic notes
7:10 - weak arguments
7:45 - Aquinas & Augustine
8:55 - Dimensions of marriage
10:24 - Biblical monogamy
13:11 - Martin Luther
15:30 - 1) Spiritual Abuse
25:29 - 2) The Pattern of Lies
1:10:32 - 3) Scriptural Contradictions
1:20:05 - Final Thoughts

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@2196logan 11 ай бұрын

I would like to see you do a series on Seventh-Day Adventists. I was raised as one and I am entering the Catholic faith. It took me a very long time to get out of that religion and I know a lot of people watch you and any help that can be offered to someone like me would be great.

@1901elina Ай бұрын

I second this. I don't know too much about Seventh Day Adventism, but from what I do, it's very fear based, especially towards Catholicism. A calm, well-reasoned apologetic against it, like Joe is good at doing, would hopefully be very helpful to people.

@DrSheri.teaches 11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for this great series! I was raised Mormon, but left the church in 1983 and became a Protestant Christian. Almost 40 years later, in 2020, my husband and I were welcomed home into the Catholic Church, all praise and glory to God.

@Compulsive-Elk7103 11 ай бұрын

Im glad you're doing this series joe , i see our fellow mormon brothers and sisters constantly attacking the catholic faith and main stream Christianity. We need to defend our Orthodox faith. Glory be to jesus christ 🙏☦️❤️

@maryeconomou6573 11 ай бұрын

Telling the truth is not hate speach.

@PInk77W1 5 ай бұрын

Telling the truth is the NEW hate speech

@bentesta521 11 ай бұрын

Will you be doing an in depth series on Islam as well?

@Qwerty-jy9mj 11 ай бұрын

I would also be very interested in that

@milkeywilkie 11 ай бұрын

I would love to see that!

@jd3jefferson556 8 ай бұрын

That has to happen on this channel. This Mormon series, has blown my mind

@AlvinLagno 7 ай бұрын

Jay Smith and David Wood. They have more videos about Islam

@benjaminfalzon4622 4 ай бұрын

Joe isn't qualified to do any series about any denomination, Joe can't see that each time he points his finger at other denominations another three fingers point at himself.

@catherinemcdavid1533 11 ай бұрын

I returned to the Catholic Church last year and you are 100% accurate coming straight from church historical sites. Some information like the Essays on hard topics have to be searched outside of the LDS official church site but they are there which is already deceitful. I can assure you there is even more of you look deeper and start cross referencing other historical documents and journals of other church members.

@derrick7442 11 ай бұрын

I’d love a series like this on SDA as well. Another religion who uses the same words but mean something very different.

@byonnoyb 11 ай бұрын

Having studied Mormonism extensively these past five years or so, it's evident that [although you appear to believe LDS leadership has come clean about Smith's polygamy] there are many rabbit holes yet to be explored by yourself. LDS leaders have NOT made their gospel topic essays common knowledge among LDS membership, and it is very clear [when one converses with members] that LDS leaders have quietly buried such essays exposing MANY topics they have otherwise consistently referred to as anti-Mormon for many, many, many decades. I am married to a Mormon and I have experienced many times where even he has referred to facts as anti-Mormon. They are deeply programmed to keep that white picket fence around the abominable false prophet Joseph Smith. Said husband once told me that Smith’s so-called "revelation" for polygamy was due to God asking for men to support widowed women...or even that there were more women than men at that time, the latter of which is easily disproven via historical population data. Furthermore, my husband now believes [more recently] that Smith did not bring about polygamy, with him also believing among his sadly ignorant fellow Mormons that Brigham Young is the culprit of polygamy - this camp is now known as polygamy deniers. The hoops they jump through in their cognitive dissonance is heart breaking to witness, however, my constant prayer for my husband will not be in vain. LDS leadership should not be commended for bringing things to light...bottom line is, they haven't....it's ALL extensively watered down to keep their control of the members. Follow the money...dig deeper...one can still be charitable in doing so.

@rosiegirl2485 11 ай бұрын

What a sad set of affairs..no pun intended..for these people. It sounds cult like to me. It seems easy to me, to say "hold on a minute..this whole thing sounds shady!" Prayers for your husband..that he sees the light at some point..his soul depends on it! God bless you my friend! ⚘️

@jd3jefferson556 8 ай бұрын

@@rosiegirl2485I feel like that pun was intended 😂

@smartismarti4049 6 ай бұрын

Spot on. Most of my family is currently LDS. I'll add your husband to my prayers.

@johnathannelson9610 4 ай бұрын

Let ye not be unequally yoked.

@michaelofsydney6128 Ай бұрын

Mormonism is a cult and anyone who gives it even a smidgen of endorsement is in need of prayer. Pray the Rosary.

@garyr.8116 11 ай бұрын

Lotta good people mixed up in Mormonism, though I think the days that they can keep hiding their own founders history are numbered. Praying for them!

@xehaexox 11 ай бұрын

These videos have knocked it out of the park Joe!

@theearlofelm9168 11 ай бұрын

My relation unfortunately met Joseph Smith and became Mormon, after discovering this I continually pray for him and his family's souls.

@KyleWhittington 11 ай бұрын

Ngl, I feel personally attacked by the first part of this video... in the best possible way. Thanks Joe!

@leslie1788 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for all the time and research put into this excellent series.

@njerimatenjwa5467 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for this series. You needed have been uncomfortable reading Mormons beliefs about people of colour, that was what THEY believed. YOU do not. I'm not sure when racial or prejudicial beliefs about us were a accepted by European nations, including the Church. That was then, it shouldn't happen now. Mostly I wish to thank you for explaining to us what Mormons believe. I look forward to another well thought out series on the beliefs of other "Faith groups" God bless you and yours

@JosephHeschmeyer 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for saying that. Still, it was impossible not to feel uncomfortable reading it aloud! Anyhow, I'm glad you enjoyed this series!

@PInk77W1 5 ай бұрын

Jesus said I will be with u for ALL TIMES. Mt 28 Mormons skipped 1800yrs I’m done

@bearistotle2820 3 ай бұрын

Gotta tell you, it was wild being on my mission from 2012-2014. At the beginning, the church said that Joseph practiced, at most, a very limited form of polygamy. At the end, it was acknowledged he had many, many wives.

@johannaprice4880 11 ай бұрын

I imagine the wives...as human beings...jealousy stirs bad feelings and 😂😅 becomes a problem...

@johns1834 6 ай бұрын

Excellent. Thank you.

@ijn2252 10 ай бұрын

You should have Don Bradley on to discuss some of these things. He left Mormonism and then returned and was a huge contributor to the "Joseph Smith's polygamy" series. He's one of the foremost experts on this topic.

@johnmahaffey9578 11 ай бұрын

Totally unrelated to the well-reasoned and well-researched content of this video... I think Joe should market a line of air fresheners called Shameless Potpourri. Just sayin'.

@SevereFamine 11 ай бұрын

Amen

@johannaprice4880 11 ай бұрын

Story reminds me of a woman at the well. So many husband's. That mindset is from the Arab world, that more wives is good.

@johannaprice4880 11 ай бұрын

Surely definitely a complicated subject.

@Compulsive-Elk7103 11 ай бұрын

And here come the mormons in the comment section in 3,2,1...

@conservativecatholic9030 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, they are probably still flaming about Fradd and Akin. (Sorry to not be a Mormon as your first reply)

@Coteincdr 11 ай бұрын

If you read the bible Solomon and David fall into sin and idolatry because they have so many wives. The celibacy is just a rule that can be changed.

@john-el9636 11 ай бұрын

@robertstephenson6806 Is there a point to your comment?

@conservativecatholic9030 11 ай бұрын

@robertstephenson6806 are you actually defending polygamy? Even the Mormon Church to this day no longer officially supports polygamy. If you are, I’d just say that David and Solomon are very poor examples of polygamy as both sinned against God through their wives and mistresses. Celibacy is a practice most (not all, there are married priests) Catholic priests have. The Church doesn’t say that it’s wrong for a priest to be married but just that it’s a better practice for the Church to have it’s clergy forsake marriage for the kingdom of God. (Matthew 19:12, 1 Corinthians 7:25-40) To deal with your point about St. Paul’s words in 1 Timothy 3:2-5, I don’t think you’re getting the point. St. Paul didn’t say that a priest or bishop must be married, he is calling for ministers of moral virtue who have not divorced. Again, keep in mind, forsaking marriage is Biblical, we just have a practice that our clergy practice that Biblical practice. Edit: one last thought. That passage seems to oppose polygamy because being married more than once is a Vice that disqualifies a person from ministry according to St. Paul.

@Centurion556 11 ай бұрын

@robertstephenson6806Christ himself argued against polygamy when he argued against divorce. One man, and one woman. This is why for the 2000 years of the church, marriage is between one man and one woman and divorce is not a thing. It is only since the protestant reformation that Christian marriage has been falsely shifted. Also Christ makes it clear that we are not married in heaven, disproving eternal marriage as asserted by Smith.

@philip7461 11 ай бұрын

I really need a timeline of overlaying what was being said by JS, detractors, and LDS official documents, and what was being allegedly done at those times.

@krzy1446 11 ай бұрын

I am genuinely curious about the lds use of timelines, i agree that they can be helpful, but it seems they are very frequently in apologetics. Is their use directly encouraged byvthe xhurch?

@roarkkaufman9339 10 ай бұрын

Hey Joe, I liked your series here on mormonism but I was wondering if you could do a video specifically attacking their interpretation of Genesis and other parts of the Bible where they claim that there is no Creatio ex Nihilo. It seems many believe that matter is eternal in some capacity

@1901elina Ай бұрын

He talked about that in the episode before this in the series. It's titled "what Mormons believe about Jesus, the Spirit and... Adam?" I think that's about the exact title.

@catherinemcdavid1533 11 ай бұрын

There is a difference between bad people using the right doctrine to do bad things and bad doctrine that makes good people think sinful acts are not only okay, but a requirement to enter the kingdom of God.

@elevatedrecoveryandprevent7422 5 ай бұрын

Why the big A mic? Hum. Dude that mic is crazy big. Damn

@johnchung6777 3 ай бұрын

All I can say as a Catholic is that God created one Man and one Woman in the beginning as Jesus had spoken about this referring to marriage,as also it can be said about the ten commandments honor you father and mother.The ten commandments is not saying honor your father’s and mother’s but one father of the family and one mother of the family this is elementary

@TheThreatenedSwan 11 ай бұрын

Like when they act as if they have the trinity and other essential doctrines, it's completely unreasonable when they treat reformed Egyptian or the historical accounts of animals and so on as if they are simply placeholders that you can insert whatever would get people off your back the most. Egyptian at Joseph Smith's time referred to a particular range of languages he was supposedly translating from. The various people groups in the old testament near east had particular ancestry, and the animals described had particular origins and most of the new world animals were being referred to at the time by the names we now know them by

@andresvega7706 10 ай бұрын

You should do a commentary on Jehovah witnesses.

@AttackDog0500 11 ай бұрын

"Advisesd" hehe. I enjoy random typos.

@iwansaputra1890 11 ай бұрын

mormon legallized poygami islam too. so my argomen 100% true again MORMON = ISLAM 2.0

@michaelhettrick8510 3 ай бұрын

Philip of Hesse was my ancestor. Not our family's proudest heritage...

@NewNostalgia 11 ай бұрын

I read "The Book of Mormon" after the bible, and when I had learned the meanings and chapters in the bible. I found "The Book of Mormon" to be the most boring and poorly written book daring to be an authentic publication. How can intelligent people buy into that nonsense?

@johnathannelson9610 4 ай бұрын

It does seem to me to be such an obvious forgery. The lack of discernment among Mormons is unfortunate.

@bearistotle2820 3 ай бұрын

This is coming from someone who was LDS and found his way into the Catholic church, thanks be to God. Because we trust people that under normal circumstances we ought to that unfortunately spread this misinformation. Mind you, they aren't doing so maliciously, but that is what happens. Also, because the sense of community and family is genuinely a good thing that the LDS church offers. This makes questioning it and potentially leaving it a very tall order, as you will be missing out on an aspect that is, again, genuinely good.

@tylerahlstrom4553 3 ай бұрын

I believe I’m somewhat of an intelligent person and I believe in the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. I think the totality of the evidence heavily weighs in favor of the Book. Most remain willfully ignorant of the evidence because they don’t want it to be true so they only find the evidence that supports their preconceived notions and then are baffled how others can come to an opposite conclusion

@hollayevladimiroff131 Ай бұрын

33 Wives, some were fourteen Years old and other mens wives.

@AlvinLagno 7 ай бұрын

His latest wife is 17 yrs old. Joseph Smith.

@davidhawkins5329 11 ай бұрын

Spirtual??? 😅

@catherinemcdavid1533 11 ай бұрын

It doesn’t matter what Old Testament prophets said if Jesus taught the higher law when he said marriage is one man and one woman as it was in the beginning. Once Jesus teaches the commandment it does not change as it was never as supposedly believed. The prophets of old did give things in error .. Jesus taught the truth. Period.

@Fiat.Voluntas.Tua22 7 ай бұрын

Rupnik is an example of a predator.

@antpassalacqua 11 ай бұрын

Koresh didn’t abuse the children though, surviving branch davidians continue to make this clear, while there were marriages they were not sexual with children. I think Jimmy Akin has done a video on this if you don’t believe me…

@Qwerty-jy9mj 11 ай бұрын

The only parties involved with enough information to know the truth also have a self interest is avoiding self incrimination in that case. There's no direct evidence of child abuse in that case... except for the _marriage._ Koresh' obsession with fertility also leads me to believe he had no incentive to abstain from being sexually involved with any of his "wives" so long as they were pubescent.

@antpassalacqua 11 ай бұрын

@@Qwerty-jy9mj they were investigated for allegations of such conduct and at minimum there was not enough evidence to bring charges saying koresh abused children is calumny

@Qwerty-jy9mj 11 ай бұрын

@@antpassalacqua The bar for bringing charges isn't low and the parents of the girls, who should be expected to protect them, were accomplices (if the charges were to be accurate, as I believe), so their testimony after the fact is inherently unreliable

@johnathannelson9610 4 ай бұрын

@@antpassalacquawho would they bring charges against? He died at Waco.

@antpassalacqua 4 ай бұрын

@@johnathannelson9610 they could have brought charges before hand when they investigated him and decided there was no evidence

@jhoughjr1 6 ай бұрын

He was a teller of tall tales and expert BS artist

@hirehammer925 Ай бұрын

Squirrel!

@benjaminfalzon4622 4 ай бұрын

Joe when you point your finger at different denominations, another there fingers are pointing at you!

@john-el9636 3 ай бұрын

Calm down dude

@bearistotle2820 3 ай бұрын

Joe makes a distinction, very clearly, along these lines. Yes, the bad actions of believers do not automatically invalidate their beliefs, in fact most of the time the two have nothing to do with each other. This is different.

@cbooth151 7 ай бұрын

If Joseph taught that Christians could have multiply wives, then, yes, he lied. However, the Catholic Church Church has told many lies. For instance, the Church has taught that... 1. God is a trinity. 2. Peter was the first pope. 3. the God head is triune. 4. the holy spirit is a person. 5. Jesus is God the Son. 6. the Father, Son, and holy spirit are worshiped as the same deity. 7. priests may be addressed as 'Father.' 8. Mary was immaculately conceived. 9. statues and relics can be worshiped. 10. Mary was the mother of God. So, before you say that Joseph was a liar, deal first with the lies of the Catholic Church.

@ST-ov8cm 3 ай бұрын

You poor, poor soul…….Men have purposely misled you. You must research your way to the truth and not cling to lies of men.

@Gaz4113 Ай бұрын

1 and 3 are the same thing, and the rest of them aren't lies. Jesus is the son of God he is also the second person in the trinity. The holy spirit is the third person in the trinity. We Catholics do not worship statues or Mary we seek to add their voices to our own in our prayers, the prayer of a righteous person is more powerful then that of a wicked person thus we ask for others to pray for us. As for priests being called Father why did God tell Abraham he would be the Father of nations if he (God) doesn't change and it wouldn't have been that great a stretch to tell Abraham to use a different title.

@cbooth151 Ай бұрын

@@Gaz4113 "We Catholics do not worship statues or Mary." Oh, Catholics don't worship statues? Guess again. The Catholic Encyclopedia clearly says: "A certain *WORSHIP* may be offered to inanimate objects, such as the relics of a martyr, the Cross of Christ, the Crown of Thorns, or even the *STATUE* or picture of a saint." So, do Catholics worship statues? Yes, they do. You say Catholics don't worship Mary? Guess again. The Catholic Encyclopedia clearly says: "As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the *WORSHIP* paid to her is called hyperdulia." You say the holy spirit is "the third person in the trinity." Guess again. The following CATHOLIC references say the holy spirit is *NOT* a person... 1. “Although this spirit is often described in personal terms, it seems quite clear that the sacred writers [of the Hebrew Scriptures] never conceived or presented this spirit as a distinct person” (Edmund Fortman, The Triune God, p. 9). 2. “Nowhere in the Old Testament do we find any clear indication of a Third Person” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1912, Vol. 15, p. 49). 3. “The Jews never regarded the spirit as a person; nor is there any solid evidence that any Old Testament writer held this view…The Holy Spirit is usually presented in the Synoptic gospels (Matt., Mark, Luke) and in Acts as a divine force or power” (Edmund Fortman, The Triune God, pp. 6, 15). 4. “The Old Testament clearly does not envisage God’s spirit as a person…God’s spirit is simply God’s power. If it is sometimes represented as being distinct from God, it is because the breath of Yahweh acts exteriorly…The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone." 5. “On the whole the New Testament, like the Old, speaks of the spirit as a divine energy or power” (W.E. Addis and Thomas Arnold, A Catholic Dictionary, 1960, p. 810). As you can see from the Catholic references above that the holy spirit was not viewed by the Jews as a person.. This is important because since the holy spirit is *NOT* a person, it can't be the third person of a three-person deity. In other words, *THERE IS NO TRINITY!!* "As for priests being called Father why did God tell Abraham he would be the Father of nations if he (God) doesn't change and it wouldn't have been that great a stretch to tell Abraham to use a different title." For starters, was Abraham a Christian priest?

@flightless8903 Ай бұрын

It's really funny how the video is about Polygamy/Mormonism and Joseph Smith but there's always that nuance to instigate hate :( 1. TRUE 2. TRUE (APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION) JESUS GAVE HIM THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (ALSO IN THE BIBLE) 3. TRUE (SAME AS #1) 4. 3RD PERSON OF THE TRINITY...THE HOLY SPIRIT PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON! 5.TRUE Jesus is GOD INCARNATE Who is Jesus then? 6. TRUE BUT NOT a deity but GOD ALMIGHTY 7. SPIRITUAL FATHERS (WHAT DO YOUR CHILDREN ADRESS YOU?) Another word for pastor=father 8. TRUE (JESUS CANNOT DWELL IN AN IMPURE PERSON (SHE'S THE NEW ARK OF THE CONVENANT) 9. FALSE (CATHOLICS DO NOT WORSHIP RELICS/STATUES) 10. SO TRUE (it's in the Bible) Evidently, the Catholic Apostolic Church is still here 3000 later and the gates of hell will not prevail against it, is testament to the FULLNESS OF TRUTH that you sadly believe are lies.

@cbooth151 Ай бұрын

@@flightless8903 Let's take one item at a time. Let's start with ITEM #1. According to you, God is a trinity,right? Well, where in your Bible did Jesus or the Bible writers teach that God is "a unity of three [persons]," which is what the word "trinity" means?

@benjaminfalzon4622 4 ай бұрын

Only the Catholic Church doesn't lie. Tell them, Joe. Tell them about all of those apparitions of the Catholic Mary, and don't forget to mention the one when the Sun danced. Why did the Sun only dance once, when the catholic Mary appeared so many times, Joe?😲

@GumbyJumpOff 4 ай бұрын

Like asking, "Why did Jesus only spit on the ground and make mud with the saliva to heal only once, when Jesus healed so many times?

@benjaminfalzon4622 4 ай бұрын

@@GumbyJumpOff God will only do for us, what we can't do for ourselves. Because of our lack of faith in God, God gave us medical professionals to help us, when we need medical attention. Medical professionals can't heal, only God Can heal. The reason Jesus spat and made mud only once is a sign for us to seek help when we have medical problems, and when we seek help, If it is God's will, then God will heal us, and if it isn't God's will, then we die, and the doctors give up. Also, Jesus never did the healing, Jesus had no divine powers once he manifested from spirit to flesh, Jesus always depended on God his Father to do the healing as required.

@ST-ov8cm 3 ай бұрын

If you’re worried about the sun dancing your beef is with the New York Times and not with the Catholic Church.

@benjaminfalzon4622 3 ай бұрын

@@ST-ov8cm The records show that the Catholic church says the Sun Danced not the New York Times. The bug stops at the Catholic Church. No such apparitions of Mary ever took place, The Catholic Church Mary is a totally different Mary from the real Biblical Mary. If all the lies were removed from the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church would have to shut down, because lies are all it has.