Love the topic man, I believe that the afterlife of the Hobbits should be no lesser in greatness than that of Men! Cheers Carl, happy Hobbit Day!

Happy Hobbit day! Great job on the video!

I have to wonder how much of Tolkien's personal philosophy is reflected in his writings about death and the fate of men. He may very well be on to something very beautiful and very deep spiritually. Thank you for posting this and Happy Hobbit Day!

*Men of the West, GeekZone, Lore of Middle Earth and History of Middle Earth:* Within the Tolkien-verse.

Great topic, mellon! I love that Tolkien kept some mystery in his mythology. Great job as always and have a Happy Hobbit Day!

The JRR Tolkien lore is a precious gift to humanity, and it is a precious gift that you bring these stories to life through your voice and through your thoughts. Many thanks!

Hey guys I hope you enjoyed this week's video! This episode is part of a collab with some other LOTR youtubers for Hobbit Day so make sure you check out their videos through our playlist! :) Hobbit Day Playlist: kzfaq.info/sun/PLLyHBx6FRJC0H9EnNSmkd-cMyTWhcC-aq As always subtitles are available and feedback is welcome! For those of you who are interesting in learning more about the afterlives of the other races of Arda I'll linking some of my videos below: The Afterlife of the Elves: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a9KHg9Wpmre-aac.html The Afterlife of the Ents: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qMWDfamqtLfbkX0.html The Afterlife of the Dwarves: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oaqXlduLvreceWQ.html The Afterlife of the Orcs: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gbigY6Wmrr7aaWw.html

Men of the West, GeekZone and Lore of Middle-Earth uploaded at the same time, quarantine isn't that bad after all.

What's Eru's refund policy? I'd like to return this mortal life and exchange it for immortality, please and thank you.

Basically both Elves and Men became jelous of the other race's fate. The afterlife always seem greener on the other side? :'D

Karl, i must say you have a very soothing voice. The softness of it is so calming. I often find myself falling asleep listening to your voice (sounds weird when i think about it haha). Anyways, keep up the great content!! Love your videos

Immortality sounds like a very interesting and attractive concept for men who are immortal thinking they can do all the things they didn't have time to do or just repeat the things they like doing more to get more pleasure in it or in pursuing it. But as you said immortality will just make each single event less significant and memorable for a person, and after a long time nothing can make your soul happy or satisfied as everything withers and dies with time but you. Very few understand this dark side of immortality and appreciate having a limited life. That can also explain the relation elves had with nature like the sea and land and stars as these were designed to stay and not change with time, but elves who went to middle earth (the place that morgoth defiled) felt the moving of time even in nature due to the corruption of morgoth in the beginning and started longing to the west where they can be at peace of mind.

Mortality is a curse, but I appreciate my boss giving me and my friends gifts to slow the rate of time, forestalling our deaths until we become but spirits.

Men but only if your a Dunedain or even better a Numenorean. 300 years sounds perfect.

Gandalf told Merry that there is an afterlife. He said you see a white light and then White shores. So no question.

Eru probably had something rather interesting in store for men, he just didn't tell in case Morgoth tried to corrupt it.

Enjoyed the details so much.

What a treat! Another amazing video! What a great way to start the week!

You should do a video on the Druedain!!

Not bound to Arda, the spirit of men went on to places beyond the stars. reaching for a new beginning filling another song, another world with theire lifes. Welcome to Earth, where once again you may defy all fate before once again start to wander around the stars to another place far beyond the limit of the mortal coil. Happy Hobbitday folks!

Lore of Middle Earth and GeekZone uploaded at the same time?! Time to stop everything and heed the tales of such loremasters. Edit. Now even Men of the West has uploaded. I suppose this is some special day

Highly interesting is how Hobbits seem to care less than Men about death- as far as we see. Thanks, Morgoth! Great video and happy Hobbit Day :)

I want to be mortal - even in Middle-Earth. Time, life, love, friendships and more are more of a value, more of a gift.

The gift of man, is such a cool way to phrase it.

I think this is your best video that I have seen. Well done!

Awesome video man! You're great and thank you for the videos!

Just in time

I think that how the Gift of Men was explained to 'man' was poorly done and thus help to their fear.

Happy Hobbit Day! You always get me thinking deeper and deeper into the text, thank you!

Magnificent work thanks for the effort

Happy Hobbit Day 2020 Karl! ❤️🙌🏻😀 also I loved you brought so much SILM Lore into the video 😉

Really interesting and intense video. Well done : )

As always great work :) Happy Hobbit day!

Hobbits are basically human. And the Silmarillion and the tale of Aragorn and Arwen clearly states that we go somewhere beyond memory. The fear of death was a corruption spread by Morgoth Bauglir because he feared the power of men.

From his island fortress he bides his time, collecting every scrap of useful information. In time he will rise to become the Prince we were promised. He is Lord Carl of Malta 🇲🇹 first of his name (sorry if it's Karl with a k lol) and Loremaster of Middle Earth.

Amazing videos, love your chanel.

Simply Marvelous! 👏🏻

first of all, very interesting video, great job as always! And now for something completely different, because I have two topics I wanted to ask about. 1.: I recently watched your video about the Palantiri, and a question crossed my mind: in the movie, when Saruman explained to Gandalf that he used his Palantir to watch the Naz'gul, Gandalf seemed quite upset over the fact that Saruman had used the Palantir, because he considered it too dangerous. The question I ask myself is: What was Gandalf afraid of? Was it Sauron getting information through the connection to Saruman? Or did he actually consider the possibility of Saruman beeing manipulated by evil through the Palantir? Or was he even afraid that an evil force could use the Palantir to throw Saruman's mind into darkness, like Sauron did with Denethor? It just baffled me because at this point, Gandalf had not known that Saruman was a traitor and had trust in Saruman's wisdom, yet he schoolmastered Saruman like a kid that played around with a kitchen knife. and 2.: I started reading "The Hobbit" recently, and I thought about how different Frodo and Bilbo were prepared for their respective adventures. Frodo undertook weeks, even months of careful planning, making sure he won't be missed due to sudden disappearance, gathering information and making preparations for his road to Rivendel. Meanwhile Bilbo, although his destination was far beyond Rivendel, made a hasty decision, ran out of his door and was on the way, not even packing anything. While the dwarfs had made some preparations, I can't help but wonder how little Bilbo was prepared for a much longer trip compared to Frodo. I find this qute interesting for some reason.

You should do a video on the gift if men. Why it was important to tolkien vs other creation creatures like elves...

Totally Awesome! Thank you! 👏🏻

They way I understand it is that Elves are immortal. After physical death, Elves materialise in the undying lands of Valinor and reside there in bliss forever whilst Valinor ‘endures’. Eru Iluvatar gave ‘Men’ (everyone else) the gift. That gift was true death with no afterlife or return unless of course the Valar deem it the will of Eru Eluvatar to return them which only happened a handful of times in exceptional circumstances.

Nice video :) :) I definitely would NOT want to be immortal like the elves. Maybe I wouldn't say no if given one opportunity to have some extra centuries of life or to time-travel and see the future, but I definitely wouldn't want to have to life forever - the quote below explains it well. And I agree with you that mortality is precisely what makes life so precious, knowing that we have a time limit to do what we want with it and make the most of it before it's all gone - though I think the idea of life after death, while comforting, can also in some people undermine the former thought and lead to them throwing their chance/s away. I'm not sure what happens to Men after they pass beyond the Halls of Mandos (and I love that, the deliberate ambiguity of what happens after death apart from the certainty that it's not something that one should vainly fight by seeking immortality), but I have a few thoughts. Maybe like you said, Men go to the Timeless Halls to be with Eru Iluvatar (since Eru does seem to favour Men despite them being less like Eru than the elves). Maybe they return to Eru's being from whence they were created. Maybe they go to a new world or a new creation that Eru made beyond the contained universe of Arda (like, say, our world or another world entirely). Or maybe it's something grim like in the works of H.P. Lovecraft, though probably not since the Valar who know of it don't seem to be entirely above it all and yet don't seem concerned with death. "In the end, you just get tired. Tired of the struggle, tired of losing everyone that matters to you, tired of watching everything turn to dust." - 'Doctor Who', 2007

This is by far one of the most intriguing, thoughtful, and thought-provoking Tolkien lore videos I've come across. The themes and truths succinctly pondered herein certainly transcend to life here on earth. I am a believer, and it gives me hope and strengthens my faith, just as for Prof. Tolkien, I'm sure in some way, the art of his writing mirrored, or at least was somewhat informed by his faith. I'd love to proclaim that I'd see myself like Aragorn, King Ellasar, and happily, graciously await the Gift of Men, but alas, I very well may be infected with the same illness as most real-life humans, and have some fear of the mystery of death. I'd rather have the immortality of the Elves. Nevertheless, I am glad of the promise of the resurexion through Jesus Christ. Obviously this is my opinion, not meant to be pushed on anyone else or to be offensive, nor am I soliciting negative comments about my very real faith. 🙂 Very interesting question and wonderful account. Thank you for sharing!

Keep up this output of videos!

Your content is great.

Mortality is indeed a Gift.....and Death a most important Advisor. Great video.

Great stuff

Immortality would become the greatest possible curse!

Great great outstanding video. Greetings from Colombia.

Hey there GeekZone, happy hobbit day!

Well i personaly do believe in an afterlife but not in heaven or hell cause heaven sounds boring , i dont want to know everything the instant i go ˝there˝ id rather keep on learning and such kinda like just moving on with my ˝life˝

Im here from men of the west hobbit day playlist thanks for the cool video!!

You know, I think any immortal character, from any story/fandom/etc, might look upon death as the gift of Men. Or gift of mortals if you prefer. For I'm sure that anyone with a destiny to not die would look upon those who can with much envy.

So many people waste their lives without appreciating what is around them and living instead of surviving. That is the gift.

Top 5 voices on KZfaq. Thankyou.

Awesome job honoring Ian Holms and Hobbit day!

Happy hobbit day and very interesting topic!

It seems that both elves and men are cursed with an afterlife. If there's one thing I really wouldn't want after this life, it's another eternal one waiting for me after death.

Theres no reason to assume that the spirits of elves may cease to exist once the old world falls away.

I think that mortality and immortality in Arda both serve their purpose for a reason, just like how mortality in the real world serves a purpose.

Doing a diamond painting of the One Ring and listening

To be a fan of any one of the Inklings, Tolkien, CS Lewis, Charles Williams, etc. is to (maybe) understand and appreciate the Renaissance paradox of loving both the Christian and pagan Greco-Roman heritage (as long as I'm dropping names, Dante's Divine Comedy embodies the paradox...check out CS Lewis's Cliche Came Out Of Its Cage...& CS Lewis's Till We All Have Faces...but again I digress) In the 2004 Troy movie, Achilles the Greek hero (Brad Pitt) is romancing ( so to speak) Briseis, a Trojan prisoner of war (Rose Byrne) "I'll tell you a secret...something they don't teach you in your temple. The gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal. Because any moment might be our last. Everything's more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again." kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mrKapKeI3K3Smok.html

The Fear of Unknown is still around us but how to conquer it without fearing it?

If Arda is Morgoth's Ring, then when he returns for the Dagor Dagorath won't he get a massive power boost?

It was all tolkiens wish that hobbits would exist in every possible music

Divinity music! :D

This was a great video! If I could choose I would want to be immortal. Life is never boring and I stress already knowing I cant experience everything or that I would regret it.

If Elvis were in moral how come they could die in battle? Or like why can't I just win the war of the last alliance?

Amazing video! Could you please tell me which artist made the picture at 2:06-2:16?

Maybe humans got the second music started before everyone else joined.

Again, a very interesting and made with Love and Passion, Video about Tolkien's Work! 👍 It just came to my Mind, nothing about this Video, but i think, i have read /thought to much about this wonderful World J. R. R Tolkien made us all as a Gift. 🤯😏😁 How about a short Vid about Ghan-buri-Ghan(and his People...) and their Existence? Beside the Help Rohan got from him/them. Just a Thought after a sleepless Night..😴 🍀 All the Best and Thank You!!! 🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🎶✌️😊

I always felt that immortality would be a curse if you couldn't share it with family and friends and loved ones .

still waiting for geekzone gaming... i won t give up

This was deep. 🙂

we will beat our own death soon. We are working on cybernetics immortal bodies

I like to think Hobbits go to Gardens of Yvanna. And it is connected to afterlife of dwarves since Aúle and Yvanna are married. Thorin and Bilbo finally be together XD. I also love how Tolkien tried to justify mortality itself. As a deeply religious man it is to be expected.

You know i don't think being willing to die is a sign of wisdom. I think to a lot of people, leaving the people they care about is a bigger deal than getting to be part of the next world. It's foolish to try and live forever. But there's nothing wrong with wanting to be with your loved ones as long as you can, more than wanting to be part of "God" next song.

Hey I was watching your videos earlier and I noticed you said in one that some of Beorns descendants turned bad? What happened and is there an explanation?

Personally, I believe that the elves got the better deal & I doubt that Eru would have left them out of the second music.

New stuff!!!

Happy hobbit day, great video.

What about the spirits of men in the Dead Marshes..seen in Two Towers movie..were they held by Sauron in some way..for a time? And then freed upon Sauron's fall..? 🤔

Are Valar actually bound to Arda? They were not a part of the creation, they were offsprings of Eru Iluvatar's mind.

I tend to tell all who wish for immortality: "Never fear death. Death is honest and dos not judge you any differently no matter who or what you are. Your mortality is a gift that allows you to embrace the final rest. As we have our glory in life, so dos the horrors also come forth from us as well. With immortality, you are doomed to se both but never as much of the glory as you will see the failures and horrors of what we bring forth. So I feel happy knowing that I live on my borrowed time until the day where I can finally greet my old friend. Who has always watched over me and gifted my passed on loved ones the same gift as I will be given when my time has come. And when that time is nigh I will welcome it with open arms."

Eru is real in Ea, so is his promise. Yet on our earth I prefer immortality ;-)

what happened to the bit on hobits it not in the video you only spoke about men

Yes, but what about the spirits of horses? 'The Dead are following,' said Legolas. 'I see shapes of Men and of horses, and pale banners like shreds of cloud, and spears like winter-thickets on a misty night. The Dead are following.'

What’s the music that starts at 1:53 ?

Everybody wants immortality

If I was a being in the world of arda, I would very much like to be an Elf. For the immortality, but not for being immortal at all, but to be able to witness great accomplishments, watch great deeds happening and heroes ride and fall... For instance, I really like the story of Elrond, for he is the son of the slayer of ancalagon, son of Earendil, he lived in the times were balrogs and feller things walked the earth, he knew a lot of things, and it's possible that he even saw Ancalagon itself, after that be able to carry on, write stories, create great music's and cities full of memory and splendor... ...so on

Do Balrogs have an afterlife?

Happy Hobbit Day! May we cherish each day we hav been I enjoy.

In real life only the perishing are afraid because fear is reserved for those Who are under judgement. In Middle Earth fear appeared largely imagined because it seems implied that everybody gets a pass, though who really knows since Tolkien was so vague. I've always viewed the Elves as almost a third tier of the angelic powers and their fate as being natural considering the lore. I can't believe that as children of Iluvatar, however, that they will be relegated to insignificance after Dagor Dagorath. This would be pathetic and out of tune with the knowable/guessable nature of Iluvatar. I think ALL the children, Dwarves included, will have special new gifts and roles to play after the end of the old. But men have a seemingly surpassing role by virtue of the blind faith required of them. The reward is, and ought to be, fairly stellar just as it is promised to be in real life under Tolkien's Catholic beliefs. Notice Turin who foreshadows men of the future, has been given godlike powers, enough to slay even Morgoth, the mightiest of the Valar. Though I think great things await all the races, it might be the most rewarding to be a man.

what music does he use in his background?

Anybody have tips on how I could put a lord of the rings campaign into my d&d? The way they get there is a portal, but I don't know which era to do.

Men (and halflings) have the gift of breaking the fourth wall.

I whould still take elven imortality anytime

Happy Hobbit Day everyone!!!

Happy Hobbit Day. Let us all smoke some good old Toby.

After Arda, Men are sent here..