I kind of believe Joe did want to marry her, but he wanted her to change some aspects of herself. He seems very much his own person and set on doing things his way. Being so private in his interviews, I feel that he would have wanted their future to be private in many ways as well. Taylor, being as open as she is, probably wanted more of a Blake and Ryan/Emily and John type relationship, where they could both be open to the press, help each other mutually in their careers, probably where they would reside in the US, New York or California. Joe seems to be more of a homebody type, where he would probably want to live and raise his kids somewhere in the countryside in England. Out of all her relationships, I think Joe had the most potential but likely both didn’t want to compromise for each other. I don’t think he had an issue with her fame, I think he probably had an issue with how invasive it could be, but I don’t believe that to be the only reason. Just my opinion.

I feel like Joe would've married her if she had chosen to live a quiet life in England with their kids but Taylor is a free spirit and should be with someone just as fun and adventurous. Opposites don't always attract. Can't force two magnets together.

If they aren’t sure they want to marry you, they aren’t the one.

In my experience, if you’re with someone more than 2 years and they aren’t acting like they’re in it for the long haul and not committed to long term, it’s time to get out. Don’t wast too much time on the wrong person. Six years is too long.

I love that y’all are graceful when talking about celebrities and female celebrities instead of immediately assuming or judging etc. Acknowledging that they are human too!

Like waiting for a bus that never shows You just start walkin' on.... i think Joe took it too long to propose

I was with someone for 10yrs who wouldn't take the final step. He then met someone else and married her. That was my personal lesson on a man knows if he wants to marry you... If "he" won't take the leap, then "you" need to leap on out of the relationship.

Especially after the release of So Long, London I totally agree😢

I think Exile which Joe co-wrote says so much about how their relationship was going and that they were having problems even during covid.

If I was dating someone steady for years and years and they flat out just didn't want to get married, it is a clear signal to me that they're not the one for me and not all in within the relationship sooo why would I want to stick around?! Maybe at least I can now go find a guy that does want to commit life is to short! Life is too short!

The song contains more information than just those 2 lines about marriage. I get the impression that Joe got so comfortable in their relationship that he didn't add anything to it in terms of many things. Not just marriage. It seems she probably wanted many different things and wanted to discuss them. But he liked the status quo and thought everything was fine. With everything. Stay awake in your next relationship, Joe.

He wanted to get married I think. but he didn’t want to marry HER, a “pathological people pleaser”, a performer. He wanted to marry the Taylor he met and fell in love with during Rep who stayed out of the spotlight. But once she embraced that part of herself again after she healed (with his help which I will never discredit) I think he saw her and the relationship differently.

The end of "You're Losing Me" sounds like she just wanted him to make some kind of decision in general. She sounded tired of indecisiveness when she's constantly keeping people and their feelings top-of-mind. "Do something, babe, say something. Lose something, babe, risk something. Choose something, babe, I got nothing "

I think he wanted to marry her but on his on terms. I don't think he wanted her to be so much in the spotlight. I think the I wouldn't want to marry me either is what she is hearing people speculate.

I think she needed somebody as outgoing as she seems to be that can handle her fame because they have their own thing. She needs somebody who she can have fun with.

We should waited for next album instead of guessing😂

Omg you guys called it ! Her new album basically confirmed your theory ! He was depressed and didn't want to marry her, and she broke up with him.

did anyone listen to Champagne Problem & Exile? btw, they were re-written by Joe

midnight rain, lavendar haze, bejeweled. What do all these songs have in common? Girlie doesn't want to settle down. It could very well be Taylor who didn't want to and I could see why. She still wants to sparkle ✨✨✨

This aged well

Lavender Haze is about Taylor not wanting to get married though.

At this point not even a hard core swiftie wants to marry her. Shes very much married to her career and everything is just in a second place. If she really wants that life she needs to find the balance of career and home life like every person in a committed relationship.

I absolutely believe in marriage but I know of couples who honestly don’t believe in marriage and believe that not being married has any bearing on their commitment to each other and are as committed as any any married couple. Maybe Joe feels the same way

Joe was not confident enough to stand beside Taylor. My sense is that it went the distance. Relationships end. They all do. My sense was that Joe wanted T to come back. He never anticipated that Taylor was about to meet Travis Kelse. He didn’t envision a guy like Travis or that he is so confident in himself that he identified the queen for herself and she recognized him. And Joe became a part of her past that day. It’s amazing to fall in love that way. My husband proposed to me on our 4th date. We were married for life. My guy died in my arms. So it can happen. When you know there is a line in the sand. Everyone else is past. It’s like the new chapter begins. I see a beautiful future for them.

It is sad to see that after 6.5 years they were done like this. Joe not wanting to propose ain’t nothing new. Taylor in hoax says “ your faithless love is the only hoax i believe in”. Faithless can mean many things but here it is about not believing the ONE/ or ending up with the one. Most ppl have faith in God, and have faith in love to eventually find the one. and get married. Joe told her a long time ago that he didn’t want to marry. You are losing me confirms that as well.” We thought cure would come but I fear it won’t”. I think Joe said her that maybe he will change his idea about marriage and marry her but he couldn’t. Or Taylor thought that if he loves her he will change, so she can change him.I don’t think anyone is at fault. If someone doesn’t wanna marry u can’t force it on somebody.

Sad but the thing is, no one in a relationship should force the other person to do something they don't want to (or vice versa) so breaking up is the best course of action instead of continuing and eventually being unhappy. If Joe didn't want to marry her, who are we to judge? It's his choice.

Champaign Problems hits hard

i think it was on and off, he wanted to marry her, when she didn’t and kther way around. i think that joe maybe wanted more privacy or smth like that. i always thought joe brought the best in taylor and the other way around.

"I think he knows he better lock it down or I wont stick around" just saying

Where can I see the whole episode?

Taylor lost the love of her life, and she will forever regret it. Joe is a beautiful person, inside, and out. No delusional,swiftie is going to make people hate him! She's too full of herself,she chose money, and fame... over Joe. Period.😢

19:19 “thought of calling you but you won’t pick up…”

what about the lyrics on champaigne problems

Manifesting that Travis proposes on stage in Zurich next Summer when I’m there!

34:02 I just… this is not like me but… I just immediately teared up.

So much guessing going around..

She needs to fall in love with a successful working class guy that has zero ties to the entertainment industry

Duh, you done stay engaged for several years if you want to marry. I thought Joe loved her but looked ahead and didn’t like what his life might become being married to her. English guys generally want to stay in England and raise any kids there…..

I wanted them to get married

I think that He didin't understend how important (maybe) it was for Taylor get married Is not a illusion that being married with the correct persons gives more of a security fealling... And the star she says "You say i DONT understend And i say i know you dont " The cure would come to that fealling maybe the first years she decide that it wasent that important But with the years maybe it wasent like that Maybe that lead joe to call her A pathological people pleaser I dont know "I got nothing to belive, unless your choosing me" durning that time a 3 came out a other girl or his carrer his "freedom" I dont know but i hope She's fine❤

Joe wasn’t going to breakup with Taylor - she needed to do it - she’s Taylor Swift

No you’ve got it wrong , it was the other way around , Taylor is clearly a non committing person and in bejeweled says I’ll miss you but I miss sparkling , she doesn’t want to settle down ever

It always felt off that taylor talked about him with such pride and admiration and a sparkle in her eyes, yet, when any interviewer asked about her, he either glossed over it looking embarrassed or dodged the question entirely. All of their public appearances looked like a giddily in love girl dragging along an embarrassed or irritated stranger. Any person actually in love with someone that successful and impressive would feel so proud to lift her up to the world. Enter Travis Kelce, who makes it very clear that he is her absolute biggest fan.

I think he wanted to marry her but she didn't. "I wouldn't marry me either" makes sense in both ways

OK, even I want to know when SOME celebs break up or get together etc, but if they have asked for privacy or time and space- GIVE IT TO THEM! I get that to a certain extent, (and the curse of social media), that ppl may be concerned for their favourite celeb etc, but 1. We aren't ENTITLED to any information they don't want to give- paparazzi invades enough of their privacy. 2. Remember that you only see what they want/let you see, before jumping to conclusions 3. For those in the comments attributing blame, and talking about other people's relationships-how long should you wait, what does settling down really mean to each person, or who should have said or done x, y and z at the beginning, during and end of a relationship...WHO TF, made you all judge and jury? Remember that THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS FIRST AND FOREMOST. I am pretty sure you would not like ppl doing or saying things about you or your ex, so chill, and deal with either your own personal relationships or what is happening in the real world.

Taylor is a Sweet heart in an Eccentric Dorky way that's so endearing.. She is brilliant . She is a KO beauty as well . I mean how does a guy not want to marry her after 6 years ?? Just baffling .Unfortunately it seems they had that Reese Witherspoon Ryan Phillipe Career Jealousy conflict between them that broke them up . Joe is more of an introvert Home Body where as Taylor is a Social Butterfly . It's a miracle they lasted that long really , being so opposite . Taylor can fool the public and claim she is happy , but she is probably devastated . I mean what happens next time if a Man really wants to marry her within a Year or 2 of knowing her ??

If you listen to “How did It End”, it sounds mutual and they just wanted the tea, rather than asking how she was feeling. Heartbreaking song. “Gasp, then how did it end?” Not: “gasp, how is Taylor doing?” Says a lot about their relationship and the nosy vulture people who were around them.

I think Travis will propose in a decent amount of time. His brother & Kylie will encourage him & show him how to do it right. Travis wants a wife, family, and kids. She literally said she does too on So High School. Joe has some confidence or mood issues or he was confused about their compatibility. He is very introverted, Taylor is not. Taylor is America’s Sweetheart not America’s homebody.

Ep?

I’m in Michigan too!!!

its really their business, dont you think? also - it is a huge choice to decide to follow someone around the world for years. simple life is ok to want. or whatever - pple split, things run their course, just life

Just say it, he wanted to stay together and not get married. Taylor broke up with him because she is a romantic and totally WANTS to get married instead of cohabitating. Totally valid and good for her.

Taylor is in her mid thirties and needs to get going if she wants to have babies...dont waste her time.

After 6 yrs? Should left at yr 2. If u don't know then,move on.

Apparently these chicks know everything

Isn’t it nice to know everything about everyone business

43:00

Dont be so invasive!!! Listen to the songs only!

Honestly I think it's the complete opposite. I think he wanted to marry her but she wasn't ready you can hear that in her song champagne problems. I believe he did truly love her and she loved him he just didn't take her seriously and they weren't ever on the same page and level and that’s a problem and in your losing me she was saying she was dying inside and sick and all those signs he never noticed . Maybe she would’ve of went along and married him if it was a different case scenario and he really understood her . And that hurts and can’t blame her for choosing not too go along with it and settle for someone who doesn’t understand her . Much love to both of them and Taylor deserves her happy ending ❤️

She has said their personalities are very different. Joe is an introvert.

100%

Not all of Taylor's songs are about her life. She also writes about things that happen in her friend's lives. She's talked about this. Can't always assume it's about her personally.

She broke up with him because the relationship was going nowhere!!!

33:05 a typewriter maybe??

Good for right now not good forever. Cautionary tale. Don’t waste your time and energies if you’re not getting what you want. 🤷🏼‍♀️ walk away with dignity and a highly held head. Know your worth.

No, Joe Alwyn is one of those guys that isolates the female and views her as competition and does not want the woman to shine, and in a sense puts her down behind the scenes. Bejeweled is the song about Joe Alwyn.

After 6 years, i mean come on! She did give him enough of her life

What difference does your opinion make? If she wants to talk, she can.

Money can't buy me love, the Beatles sang.

Taylor is a Sagittarius. They love their freedom and avoid heavy relationships, are late to get married. Travis has a Sagittarius moon, which rules the emotions, so he also likes his freedom. The sun-moon connection makes them simpatico, so they would really be into eachother. They could be very compatible, so long as neither tries to control the other.

Joe Alwyn wasted Taylor's precious years.

Sad boys cant commit to anything. Not standing up, not sitting down. Oh but its intense, , because they show deeo emotion, and theres this deep connection. But the intensity is too much sometimes and there just isn't the gumption to take the stand for you, or her, or anyone, or anything. And its geart wrenching in a unique way.. you cant harness the adrenaline of anger against a cheater or a liar.. they love you, just not enough. 💔

Well thank god all her ex’s blew it one way or another because she wouldn’t have met her match in Travis kelce! She finally found a man who’s a man! Who is not intimidated by her massive success in life, who is there with bells on supporting her and who is massively successful in his own right! I mean superbowl champ! One of the best TE in the league … he’s someone that’s her equal but doesn’t mind stepping back and letting her shine. He doesn’t feel the need to compete with her! He seems like a safe place for her.

He cheated on her

He likes guys as well

I feel like they would've married, but he wanted to step out of the limelight and be a good housewife in London.

Her songs are like diraries of a 14 year old. Poetries are about nuances and metaphors where her lyrics are just giving it point blank to the listeners. People are just excited for the tea and the gossip.

Bro fumbled a huge bag 🤧

I'm guessing he wanted to marry her, but didn't know if he could ever get used to this lifestyle, so perhaps he wanted her to settle down and focus 50 percent of her attention on her career instead of 100, which is fair, but perhaps they couldn't reach an angreement

Ok

Good for Taylor for not wanting to wait and settle. She was with him 6 years. I dont know of she wants kids but her biological clock is ticking and she is still young and so beautiful she has her pick of the litter for sure. Whoever is lucky enough to snag this woman needs to cherish her protect her while putting her on a pedistal. We all deserve that kind of love! Joe wasnt THE ONE. He was Mr. For right now what i need. Hes out there Tay!

6 years is a long time to expect a women to stay in a relationship without a ring. Also if Taylor wants biological children she needs to get busy on that. Think Melissa Tomei and her biological clock. She’s very close to being a geriatric pregnancy.

What a stupid ? 6 years together & no ring? SAD. only give max 2 years 2 any dude.

Do you think he cheated?? There was some evidence that didn’t look 😢

He likes duck as well ❤️‍🩹😂

I think she just wants to have love stories. What is the problem with that?

He couldn't handle the attention

once again.... assumptions...

I feel he did but she had to change to much of herself to keep him.

Honestly who tf are yall to decide and talk about this topic. And you all includes the comment section as well

6 years with someone only months later with travis kelce

I am a die hard swiftie But even I wouldn't marry her.

She broke up with Joe to be with Matt Healy!

lol she just a body count, he moved on already to football 🏈 cte travis kelce

Joe may have needed some time to himself, time to think, before committing to such a different, consuming lifestyle. Somehow that ‘time to think’ went awry.

It was always Taylor's bloody fault

Alywen seems like the biggest snore EVER-

It will be so funny when Tailor leaves Travis and goes back to Joe 😅

Taylor did the right thing.

Damn right he didn't want to marry her. He is not stupid. He should be given a medal for that and for being with her for that long.