I think he wanted to emphasise when showing the seat numbers that with Allegris there are not only 48 business class seats, but they can now offer 4 First and 8 business class suites in the same space. On the Lufthansa website, 42 seats are indicated: www.lufthansa.com/content/dam/lh/images/local_variations/seatmaps/de/lh_allegris_a350-900_seatmap_de.pdf

Thanks for pointing this out. I was gonna write the same thing. Just comparing floor space on the A350 is kinda hard, because they have the first up there. But when you look at the 787 seatmap (which is available for example on aerolopa), you can compare the floorspace to like every other 787(-9) operator. Looking at just the floorspace between L1 und L2 (the first two sets of doors): Lufthansa Allegris: 28 (w/o lav) Lufthansa current: 26 (w/ two lavs, this is the later bought version with 1-2-1) United: 32 (w/o lav) So at best, Allegris uses the same space as off-the-shelf seats but with modern layouts like united has, you can fit way more. Unfortuantly some bad research from @Coby Explanes here... Also operationally this is gonna be mess. Imagine paying extra for the extra legroom seat to just be put into a aisle seat because the seat broke. There is a reason other airlines like to keep all their seats similar.

I was wondering this too!

Not when you account for the greatly improved efficiency of the new generation aircraft it's mostly be installed on.

Thank you for your answer, they will call this the throne seat and will increase the price

Yeah, pretty bad research/facts on this one :/ Allegris probably is the least space efficient 1-2-1 Business (w/o doors) on the planet.

Probably to work out the kinks in the new seats (there are always some with a new design), before rolling it out to more important markets for them.

I expect incase anyrthing goes wrong it doesn’t matter too much copmared to more important routes..

A big reason is because they were still waiting on permits from the FAA to be able to fly to the US, which is Lufthansa’s biggest Market.

Qatar should implement QSuites across their whole fleet first before they update it. The amount of airplanes not fitted with QSuites yet is ridiculuous, feels like the longest rollout ever.

Something that is good still stays good when something else that is also good comes out. Besides, I am not a insider or a air travel aficionado, but for some reason a bunch of flight review videos popped up in my recommendations about half a year ago and I watched some and I was surprised to hear most of those reviewers say that Qatar has lost its good reputation and is only coasting on its past glory nowadays, providing a sub-par product for top prices.

@@TrangleC Having flown Qatar Business a few times the past year, I would agree with that sentiment. The cabin crew are still amazing, which makes liking Qatar even harder when you know how badly the company treats them. The lounge isn't as great as most of the reviews make it out to be and aside from QSuites Qatar has nothing to offer what sets them apart. And on my 8 business long haul flights with Qatar last year none of the planes had QSuites installed. They promote the crap out of services they don't even offer on many flights. If I didn't know that beforehand and redeemed most of those flights but payed money for them, I would have been terribly disappointed.

The update is relatively meh. Some new layouts, some improvements but nothing major.

Given your Qsuite not getting a last minute equipment swap, it would be simpler.🤭🤭🤭🤭

You'd be surprised at how many people fly Lufthansa as a connecting airline and will NOT be flying specifically to Germany as their end destination. If the fare is right, Frankfurt and Munich are gateways to everywhere in Europe a passenger wants to fly to (the same applies to any other European airline, of course). But even more relevant are the intercontinental connections. For example, there is high passenger demand from South America to the Far East and vice versa (Brazil and Peru have some of the largest ethnic Japanese populations outside Japan; China, Japan, and South Korea have huge investments in the region; trade with China is important everywhere these days, and the list of reasons goes on), but nonstop flights are not possible due to the distance, and one-stop flights are not profitable due to the operational costs. Currently, only Air China flies from Beijing to São Paulo, South America's largest connection hub (and largest single city market in its own right, too), on 787s with a refueling stop in Madrid. Additionally, visa requirements for Latin American and Chinese citizens to transit in the U.S. or Canada make the Pacific route unfeasible for many passengers. Getting a U.S. or Canadian visa is an expensive, lengthy, and bureaucratic process, and it can still be denied. Weeks of hassle, stress, and expense just to be able to spend a couple of hours on the ground at LAX, JFK, or YYZ. So, it has to be over the Atlantic, as neither European nor Middle Eastern countries require visas for Latin American or Chinese passengers to transit through them. This means a banquet for the Middle Eastern airlines (Emirates has a daily A380 to/from São Paulo, Qatar has two daily 777s, and Turkish two daily A350s, all of them always full and mostly with passengers flying to/from China or Japan). But European airlines also get their share of that connecting traffic (even Ethiopian does!), and Lufthansa is one of the most common choices. Its Web-published fares are usually high, but you'd also be surprised at the deals that brick-and-mortar travel agencies specializing in this route and with good connections inside Lufthansa and other airlines can get, and that's what many people do.

It will be installed in Lufthansa's A350s, 787s and 747-8s although since the seats are so heavy the old biz cabin is still gonna be flying in the upperdeck

Not to mention the problems that will occur on equipment swaps.

Agreed. Germans overly complicate simple things

@@suprashank I would argue it's typical Lufthansa Management rather than "German Overengineering". Have a look at Condors new Business: Off the shelf seat (Safran Skylounge Core) with some nice finishing and a special first row to make use of the extra space.

​@@suprashankThat's why they are losing many things in every aspects because of their arrogance and still they apply Hitler's raciest strategy.

I don't understand why people want to isolate themselves into their bubbles, especially in business and first class. I look at these business class "suites" and think to myself: but I *want* to interact with my fellow business class travelers.

​@@FryChickenfair, of course they may not want to interact with you. Particularly if they want to sleep, the privacy is more welcome

@@infidellic One does not exclude the other

Typical of LH

Exactly this. It only presents choice to pax if all options are available otherwise it might price you out of the cabin that you would otherwise would have spent your €€€ on for a standardized seat

They're bringing back some stuff. Like beverage service for economy class on intra-european routes. If they do more like this, there may yet be hope.

But London isn’t Lufthansas market…

Agree. We need to see Coby in his Speedo swim suit!!!