Until AOE, also I know you're going to say it he regressed and came back to the realization that he wanted to protect humanity again.

@@Zap_Master99 I feel like they dropped the murder and harvesting of the autobots by humans too quick for AOE. But it was definitely manned by just that old guy looking for a profit so the humans as a whole are just capable of both good and evil.

AOE had a character arc development for prime too, that's why i thought the film stood out from the rest, still does

Bayverse optimus was a crazy ass pyschopath. Nothing more. He never had any character Transformers prime optimus is the best optimus.

@@cringekiller348 Sounds like someone is a sheep, if you really think that the Bayverse Optimus Prime has no substance at all with his character, which is a flat-out lie. He's not the greatest written character, nor the best written version of Optimus but he does at least got something to offer that's interesting and while Transformers Prime's iteration is better in a lot of aspects... let's stop pretending like he's the perfect version. He's got just as much flaws as his predecessor. Also you're lying about him not having ANY character because you clearly haven't seen the first film, where they tried to stay truer to his original G1 counterpart and then of course his got plenty of character throughout the sequels. Which although you may not like it.... it is still part of this version's character.

*you're

This is one of the coolest and biggest lines in all of movie history.

@@carsongrover9924 No

@@Arkhamman2023 he's correct my man...

@@Arkhamman2023 bruh put your pride to the side

It doesn’t take much to prove the govt wrong

That talking space truck is 9.000.000 years old, had been fighting in a civil war that lasts nearly his whole life (the Cybertronian Civil War was said to have lasted for over 5.000.000 years), had seen countless comrades fallen, made tons of hard decisions, possibly lots of blood on his hands before he even reached Earth...of course he knows what he was talking about. His only downfall was to still believe in Sentinel as a mentor.

@ Jesus 5 millions of year of pure war?

Well I agree with side of the argument that Optimus prime let thousands of human beings die in the battle of Chicago

thats the thing about politics they're all fucked

I agree. Heavily outnumbered and outgunned, and with no support from the human governments, the only option was to use the element of surprise. The only hole in this theory is why he waited so long, but as TT states it would take about a day to reach Chicago, and that is assuming they were ready to go from the moment they made waterfall and didn't need to slow down or full on stop to do maintenance or make preparations. He only had one chance. It was hard to let so many people die, but it was several thousands vs 7 billion lives. He likely had to make this decision before on Cybertron. Maybe he made it before and tried to save everyone, which ironically led to more casualties. So he took the safest route.

Pun intended?

@@cesarperez1835 Would explain why he's so pissed off when they finally arrived too.

Without sacrifice there can be no victory!

In war the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few. The leader makes the heaviest decisions.

I can totally agree with that.

Didn't prime shoot a white bearded evil business man and not shoot other evil humans.

It was a needs of the many deal. He let thousands die but saved billions by doing it.

@@jonathanavery848 same here

can goku and suicide squad be fighting each other in a crossover game and can monster rancher be in rwby crossover games

In addition, it is also war time for these bots so brutality is to be expected

And shockwave is a cold blooded murder machine so he had to despose of him quick

@Argenta warrior how

@Argenta warrior I mean bayverse canon is so fucked best to pick and choose

Bruh Optimus prime has destroyed a bunch of other brutally

“Prime, thousands are dead” “Whoops” “Did you just say ‘Whoops’ to thousands dyi-“

sorry my bad

the closest thing he actually said to whoops was "Oops my bad" after stepping on the fountain in Sam's house

@@seventrucks I do want to point out that he did say “oops” when he was standing in Sam’s mom’s flower bed. That’s probably just about the most humorous 5-10 minutes of all the Transformers movies. You’d think with a big guy like him being the wise and powerful leader that he was watching where he was stepping

Mcu optimus prime be like:

Wait, how were there g1 counterparts

They were just whacky 80's cartoon villains

@@thepie193 oh

@Mordecai Maxwell hm maybe the Autobots were built by the creators/Quintessa so they're more humanoid while Decepticons were designed from the Allspark or the Allspark had a higher influence over them, making them more insect like and unhinged as Allspark mutations

The Decepticons are far more ruthless and leave trails of bodies every time they engage in warfare on Earth. Prime is just responding in kind as they are shown to no issue with killing as many humans as it takes to achieve whatever victory they set out to do. With the Star harvester they would kill all life on earth without blinking an eye in Revenge of the Fallen. This shown best in exchange between them in the Forest battle, "Is the future of our race worth a single human life?"- Megatron, "You will never stop at one! I will take you all on!" Optimus Prime, this was them drawing their lines in the sand. Peace was no longer an option. The irony is in Dark of the Moon, when Megatron offers a truce, 2007 Prime probably would taken him up on it, as Optimus does everything he can to reason with Megatron and is willing to sacrifice himself to destroy the allspark rather than Megatron. That ship had sailed, as Optimus knew Megatron would just use this time to rebuild and start the war anew, then takes him out as he's had enough. Amusingly Sentinel spent the whole movie saying Optimus lacked the guts to do the hard things, then was shocked when Optimus killed him. Both Megatron and Sentinel accused Optimus of being too soft and got what they asked for. Prime is reflection of the war he's been thrown into. He fights for a world that has very conditional loyaly to him, and against his own people because they will destroy and/or enslave all life in the universe if left to their own devices. War is hell, and he is doing the ugly things needed for life to endure.

I fully agree with you! Also the people siding against Prime are probably just Decepticon lovers!🤣

@@jacobcarver430 Well in their defense, the choices Optimus makes seem to always be very pro-earth and very anti-Cybertronian. Prime and his team of autobots have done massive damage to efforts to save their species. They destroyed the Allspark, the starharvester, and a large chunk of cybertron when the blew up the space bridge pillars. They prevented one of the Primes from using Earth to fix their planet, and kill Unicron which is their devil. If there's any kind of media among the cybertronians I could easily see Megatron being able to frame Prime and the Autobots as terrorists since they constantly undermine his efforts to save their planet. I suppose that's where the waves of new recruits from each film since they all buy into Megatron can only save us from prime. From the Cybertronian point of view on the sidelines, Prime definitely looks like the badguy here. Without the context yeah we didn't want to completely kill off entire planet to save ourselves, but at some poiint Prime does need actually help his own race besides make deals with humanity to crash at our place for the long term. Given how bad of shape Jetfire was in, makes you wonder how the current cybertronians are still functioning as well as they are given seems like their resources are vastly depleted and the films had never shown them acquire some means of sustaining themselves for the long term. May be some extra comic covers how they are surviving, as turning something nto energron like in G1.(as Megatron was feeding the sparklings in Dark of the moon something.) Right now just seems like everytime a new chance to save Cybertron comes up...Prime and gang smash it to save earth but then find no other means to help Cybertron. Like they just turned their backs at the idea of ever going home and making it inhabitable again. granted the options Megatron and the Cons pick always seem to destroy the earth in the process. They could easily just relocated the star harvester and blew up other stars to refuel their world. They've had to go millions of years without a refill from it, what would been just waiting a bit longer to get juice from a world that didn't have any life on it? Naah let's have zero compromise and take our idiot pills!

@@Lastjustice Kind of some problems with that like 1 Cybertrons aren’t like humans who get persuaded to join the fight they are literally made for the fight. So I don’t know about the “frame” point, also the destruction of their planet with a mutual thing. I don’t see Megatron going around saying it was solely the Autobots fault while at the same time, destroying half of his planet and he’s his own people all for power and glory in the name of Megatron. All their problems with their planet and people were caused by both factions, especially after Megatron got addicted to dark energon.

@@Lastjustice But also to that “idiot pills” part, dude they did go to other planets/star systems and drained them too. Think of it like this space is huge, going from planet to planet takes millions of years, draining an entire system for its resources is also going to take millions of years, bringing all of that back to your home world is also going to take millions of years. And it takes even longer when you’re already super short on resources. So when you find a planet like Earth that’s packed to the brim with resources are you going to go to another system millions of years away and might have less resources? Besides their main goal is total universal domination meaning earth was bound to be on their destinations list sooner or later.

Yes, and Megatron was aware of the military pushing back if they knew of the slavery plans. It is why he ordered Lazerbeak to kill off the human agents. They all knew the plans to enslave humanity, after the Autobots were dead. Optimus knew all the steps Megatron would take, because they did them all on Cybertron, and Optimus was told in Revenge Of The Fallen. Any Decepticon plan regarding Earth will end in humanity's annihilation outright or enslavement first, annihilation afterwards. No matter what by any means. The Government is a wildcard in these stakes. They will always think that the military can handle the Decepticon threat without Autobot help, with every technological development. A situation like Chicago will always happen, unless the Government recognizes the Autobots.

"Get out of here, Autobots, we can take the Deceptions!" Optimus - "OK, if you insist, but you're not going to like it. I'll give you 5 minutes until you call us back." XD

That's literally the point of why Optimus did that.. lol. Sure, make any logic out of it. Doesn't change the fact that it's still a fucked up thing for Optimus to do, or morally questionable

@@OscarASevilla Yeah, but staying on Earth with the unease of the gov't while the Decepticons were still spread around the globe would cause a LOT more casualties than what played out in Chicago. Can you imagine the Decepticons just absolutely wreaking havoc EVERYWHERE? The fourth movie wouldn't even have happened, as the very same people that turned their back on the Autobots would've been vaporized by Megs and the gang

@@OscarASevilla Optimus is an alien and the humans are not exactly his friends. The humans plot and scheme behind his back while working with his most bloodthirsty old enemies. Optimus wants to help but he's doesn't belong there, so when they told him to pack his shit up and go, he did so. Optimus did the morally just thing in this situation by respecting their choice, stayed in his lane, and leaving. For what if in that slim possibility, Optimus is wrong, or an even worse possibility, the decepticons purposely choose to spare the humans as long as Optimus stays, knowing the humans will begin to hate him more and more. He was stuck in a catch-22 situation. There was littile choice.

I was referencing that when I wrote that line in the script

@@Theorymus aw sick..

That in itself is the reason for the argument and the question of if he did let thousands die to make a point.

Best way to learn sometimes is by bumping your head

@@raidenthenctzenwithinsomni4961 He didn't, humankind did when they forced the Autobot to leave Earth out of honoring the deal between them and Sentinel, and the Autobot respected that decision. Humankind lets thousands of their own die to make a point: "We need the Autobots and Chicago shows".

@ Yup, and then the Decepticons broke their end of the deal by attacking and shooting down the Autobot shuttle in the hopes of destroying Optimus and his Autobots once and for all. Prime isn't at fault at all here when the Decepticons reneged on their bargain.

@@arcturionblade1077 I mean we should know this from ROTF Megatron "you'll never stop at one" when they wanted to kill sam

And THEN we find out in the 5th one that Decepticons were lucky enough to be fucking INCARCERATED. But the Autobots were purged because, you know, reasons.

Yeah it perfectly relates to green goblins speech in SM2002 “despite everything you have done for them, they will eventually grow to hate you”

That was the cemetery wind (a black ops team) hunting them down, not the government nor the military.

@@AnDrei-nf5jb A black ops team is still apart of the Government to do their dirty work without any of the blame falling on the government

@@mercury2157 That movie honestly just made me hate humans lol.

Bayverse isn't a meme, it's just underrated

You can say whatever you want buddy its your choice but for me bayverse prime is the reason why i love Transformers!

@@ehanayaanrocks I just don’t like his design in AOE and TLK

@@Markiplierforreal it's sick tho, less vehicle like but still rlly cool.

@@rahulkistoo4684 same but it's not the ONLY reason I love Transformers but is a huge factor

O dublador do prime fez um bom trabalho ajudando a marcar uma geração que cresceu com esses filmes

@@Lucas-be5so absolutamente

To be fair to Prime, the humans hunted down and slaughtered his family/friends, melted them into scrap metal, and used their leftover parts to make a bunch of soulless drones as their "replacements"; combine that with how nobody was holding a gun against the humans heads when they made the deal with Lockdown for a Seed while bragging that they knew better than the actual living Cybertronians. So yeah, Prime would have been completely justified in leaving the humans to deal with what would have been Chicago 2.0, and simply did them a solid by AGAIN saving them from their own mess.

@@jazzy-qn8ms oh I know

@@jazzy-qn8ms the Bayverse makes bureaucrats look like a bigger threat to humanity than the Deceticons…which I can respect

I just delete the 4th and 5th movie out of my head as there’s so many shitty influences to the writing and so many strange design choices

@@TH_Sofa Well I mean, there’s an idea for a good story, they just don’t utilize it in any meaningful way And if you’re wondering which movie I’m talking about, both of them, I’m talking about both of them

What about Megatron

They were never on the ship at all, and letting the Decepticons set up shop is really the only surefire way to wipe out the bulk of their fighting force (no way they could wipe them ALL out since they were scattered around the globe with the pillars). There'd be a fuckton of casualties either way, but in the case of the most favorable outcome, they were pretty much unavoidable and it's mostly humanity's fault.

And then they ALSO got blindsided by a human third party that was collaborating with the Decepticons

I mean human weapons are more advanced and capable than the weapons they use

@@thanatos5642 who the hell told you that????

@@thanatos5642 only nukes are superior to what we've seen deceptions use. But no fight was in a place where they would use a nuke.

@@trinininja8386 ok what about a 500kg bomb or a 152mm tank shell or a gau 8 avenger 30mm,or moabs and foabs, atgms ,and emps would do some sorta damage too, and you could tac nuke big ships

even if they were there were talkin bumblebee prime rachet the wreckers dino and sideswipe and they aint doing shit to all them motherships and OG decepticons like barricade and shockwave with the driller in chicago they had one way of killing that horde off and that was with surprise.

The autobots also needed to travel from their splashdown point somewhere in the Atlantic ocean and make it to shore. Adding even more to their travel time.

@Paw Patrol x Transformers its weird how back in 2008,the entire fandom send a death threats to bay because of the flames on optimus paintjob

Who else loves his MK style fatalities?

Flames dont fit Prime as a character, it does not look cool to me, they look like someone liked transformers but was ashamed of it, so put flames to make it cool in a childish way

yeah i truly love the newer designs (although i still like the other designs to i just grew up with the new designs)

You like bayverse optimus because he is epic. I like bayverse optimus because he is funny We are -not- the same

Hello

@@christianparrish3292 hello

Most likely answer for this is because Lenox filled then in on what's happening because just before this you can see NEST meet up with the army who's holding position and Epps yelling "alright baby yall coming with us" implying that while they were running to their combat positions either Epps or Lenox filled them in on information they didn't have yet

At least Sam told them about how Dylan, when he said “I know where to look.” When Optimus said they need the element of surprise to know what they’re doing. Which really pisses them off for what they did to him & to Carly. Especially Bumblebee who is like the little brother Sam never had. Dylan sure was scared when he realized that their plan to kill the Autobots failed. So that they can exterminate every one of his clients, including him.

I'm glad that you enjoyed the video, if you still want to make one on the topic that's totally fine! Also I was able to make this video thanks to your help on the reddit and TFW 2005 post, so I Appreciate you clearing up some questions I had 👍

Cool profile picture.

@@christianparrish3292 thanks, it’s from a Mortal Kombat X mod that turns Reptile (and the other colored ninjas) into a robot.

@@Blastertronus I know. I love mortal Kombat

No they would more likely start a war with the autobots and the deceptions

No I'm pretty sure ours would just have nukes Chicago to attempt to kill Sentinel and Megatron and ended up causing more problems

Anytime

Why should he be held accountable for the actions Sentinel took? Hell as far as any of them could tell he was on their side and he could have intel and experience that could back up their cause, but anything Sentinel choose to do After being revived falls on him

@@justbny9278 I said he was responsible for reviving sentinel and that's it. I hate sentinel and what happened in Chicago is his and megatrons fault.

HA! no.

Sweet! A my singing monsters fan! I love my singing monsters!

he disnt sacrifice nobody the people who told them to leave did 💯 like who in their right mind gone be like "lets tell the good ones thats been helping us for years to leave n we can make a deal to the evil ones who been killing us for years" like humans were so damn dumb in transformers except sam n the army who has been fighting along side them since

​@@bmgdann5156u.s govt in a nutshell

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The way i see it is that the autobots had backup by yhe human millitary. The autobots never fought the decepticona alone.

@@giannisms1861 yea but they can only do so much most of the battles the autobots are defeating like a whole lot of deceptions

I haven't sat down and watched any Transformer media in years but I always thought that they were like thousands of Decepticons and only a couple of Autobots but those couple of Autobots with the best of the best and that's why they survived for so long quality ever quantity

plot armor

Sentinel is the biggest troll I'm afraid

Think by TLK Bay was just throwing it all as lewd as he could so Hasbro would let him go... and not make the movies anymore. I mean really... a cute little Transformer that never talked and when it finally does it's F.U.? Really? Ugh.

@@Grillenheimer well bay wanted to stop at dotm

Thx man, thats my job!

They could've been looking for the Matrix?

@@davidbrown8694 yea but galloway believe they were looking for the autobots

​@@latrellwestby The autobots weren't just located in the United States with N.E.S.T. bro, in The Last Knight and Age of Extinction we see that there were many Autobots that were just chilling around in various countries, like Hound or Hot Rod or Daytrader for example... So it actually made sense that the decepticons were in all continents except Antartica

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The Government : It was your fault what happened in Chicago

Optimus again: Um, nope. You asked us to leave and so we did

Of course Optimus wasn't supposed to come back. Obviously, he should have let everything run its course and allow humanity to be enslaved, I guess, lol.

@@YouKnowMeDuh tbf, hard to blame him, it's not quite his problem if they really really don't want him to even be there Optimus not intervening is still respecting their freedom to do bs, and he could get a more chill life somewhere else in the universe without having to do any of this dirty clean up costing the lives of his friends It's good that he's better than that, but fair if he wasn't too

Thanks my man I really appreciate it

Anytime

I'm glad you enjoyed the video man I'm also part Dutch!

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Inb4 possible argument

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