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I kinda thought that Rose mistook Pearl's love as a Pearl worshipping her Diamond, which was something Rose did not want. She thought of Pearl as a sister or best friend, but she couldn't see that Pearl was devoted because she was in love. At least that's my opinion. EDIT: Wow, I never got over 450 likes before. Thanks so much. 😊😁 EDIT: Over 600 likes?! Not gonna lie, this a first. Thanks. ☺️😄

It's weirder when you realize that Pearl _cannot_ disobey her master's orders. This begs the question: Did Pearl ever have free will?

It does bother me that Rose didn't consider other peoples emotions which led to so many heartbreaks just like she doesn't think the Diamonds cared about her.

I don’t think Rose Diamond actually loved Pearl. She loved the idea of a liberated Pearl. I don’t think she has loved anything other than ideas, the idea of having a colony, the idea of making her colony safe instead, the idea of accepting off colors and rejects, the idea of relinquishing ownership of a Pearl, the idea of having a child. Rose never loved anyone, she loved ideas. I don’t even think she loved Greg, not in a way that we think. She loved the idea of Greg, we saw that she fell in love instantly because of a dorky rockstar human. She didn’t fall in love with the pitfalls of Greg, with the failures and the panicked times. She fell in love with ideas. And that’s her ultimate flaw.

"my diamond" is a sign of respect and loyalty not love, "my pearl" also doesn't have the meaning of love. I think it was more like Pearl mistaking Pink's respect to her as love since she is the only one referred to as "my pearl", that she thought herself special. I might even go a step further that because pearls are programmed to be servants, that pearl thought that the only way Pink respected her enough to call her "my pearl" is because Pink is infatuated by her, and this was never said by Pink, and she is either oblivious to this or she just didn't want to break Pearl's heart.

Pearl: the most friendzoned character in all of TV history.

I think that feelings come and go, change and transform. I wouldn't undermine PD's affection for Pearl only because it turned from romance to close friendship. She did care for Pearl but her feelings changed overtime and she fell for Greg. These things happen and it's no one's fault. We don't know if PD and Pearl had a conversation about it. While I feel for Pearl (I have a crush on my best friend, too), I can't find it in me to blame PD for things beyond her control. You can't decide who you fall in love with.

PD made the most rock solid friendzone around Pearl

One thing that I think does apply here, in addition to what was said already, Gems don't really have a concept of marriage, or even romantic relationships, at least as a species. We kinda see this in the Zoo: Gems know humans form couples and it's necessary for reproduction, but they don't seem to have much understanding of it. Gems don't NEED romance on a physical level, as they reproduce asexually, but while they do need love emotionally like anyone, it's simply not part of their culture. Gems are very structured and while how same Gem fusion is allowed, how Homeworld feels about same Gem romances isn't really clear. So individuals DEVELOP a concept of Romance, but as a civilization, they simply don't, and even those individuals sometimes have completely different definitions of it. Take Garnet and Fluorite for instance: Garnet explicitly says she wants to stay a two Gem couple, but Fluorite is a six Gem relationship, and fully willing to add more if it's the right one. So what might have happened is, Rose may simply have had a different acquired definition of romance than Pearl does and saw no problem with having Pearl AND Greg, while Pearl saw it as 'me or Greg'. We get hints of this, since Pearl outright said Greg isn't the first human Rose fell in love with, but the first who she came to love to that degree. Now yes, she did decide to have Steven with Greg and sacrifice herself, but it may have been that Rose simply had a different definition of things than Pearl does. Gems having to LEARN romantic relationships in the first place kinda complicates things.

I think she really did love her, but not in a romantic way. The thing is that we don't really know if Pink was aware of this or if Pearl ever confesses her feelings.

I don't believe Rose had any ill will toward anybody. But I believe all of her acts were ultimately self-serving, as she is portrayed to be childish and does not understand or does not care about the weight of her actions.

in a relatively old interview with rebecca sugar, the interviewer asked her something about pearl’s unrequited love for rose. rebecca’s only response was “i wouldn’t necessarily call it unrequited” so i mean, somethin was goin on at least. (i honestly can’t remember who was interviewing her or where the interview is, i just remember listening to it)

I think she did truly love pearl but as like a close friend

our pearl seems more like a teacher. Rose seemed like she really did respect pearl(even as a teacher) and it could have been easily misinterpreted as love. What if pearl was made to teach pink how to be more mature and how to be a leader? That's why our pearl is so smart and tends to ask more questions.

She loved her....AS A FRIEND!

Random realization. The colors of Lars and Lion match pink diamond so that was another hint that Rose was PD. Dark pink skin/fur but lighter pink hair/mane. Just random comment lol

Greg: I have sword and I'm not afraid to use it on YD.

I like to believe that Rose was something of a benevolent sociopath: she's incapable of truly feeling love. She wants to love people like Greg, but can't feel anything deeper than a shallow imitation. Maybe that's why she chose suicide by birth: so she could use Steven as a vessel through which she can experience love. Edit: Oh my god I don't remember typing this wtf, this comment was literally copied and pasted from a person who wanted to spread the word and I just did them a favor, I would never say anything like this.

I think Rose valued Pearl but never took it romantically like Pearl did. In "A Single Pale Rose", Pearl wears the hibiscus on her right ear. In Hawaii, wearing a hibiscus on the right ear means that a woman is single/available, while wearing it on the left means that she is married or in a relationship.

I think PD did love Pearl, but when she met Greg, she had lost her feelings for pearl and gave them to Greg.

I feel like rose did love pearl but pearl was really easy for rose to take advantage of.

"Isn't it funny how, the people we like, find us fit for friendship, but out of shape for dating"

Props for that one girl who said she was right even when people called her stupid. I dont know who you are but I'm so glad you were right.

I have a feeling Pearl first belonged to white . Then was given to Pink :)

Goodness, Rose being Pink has opened up so many questions and possibilities that RoundTable hasn't even made a video on KO's newest battle with Shadowy Figure! Jesus, it's almost like Rose foreshadowed the fandom making theories when she said in the episode Lion Straight to Video *This world is filled with so many possibilities*.

I don't think that Pink loved Pearl, not in the way Pearl did for Pink, or how Ruby and Sapphire do each other. However, I believe that it's off the mark to contend that Pink only liked Pearl for what she gave her, only thought her useful as a tool. I believe that Pink truly treasured Pearl and recognized her worth, was glad for her friendship and loyalty, and tried to help her with her fears and insecurities...BUT, Pink didn't regard Pearl as an equal partner, was well aware of her shortcomings, and unquestionably felt that she could not share all her secrets with her Pearl. Greg is probably the first entity Pink felt she could treat with on roughly equal terms.

I wonder how Peridot is gonna react. Will her Diamond adoration return and will focus on Stephen more in that way? At least for an episode...

Rose might have jsut loved Pearl platonically. She looked up to her or cared for her, but had no romantic feelings for her. Also, "my Pearl" not being proof of ownership kind of helps proving that Pearl isn't Pink Diamond's pearl, which I strongly believe.

Wait I JUST FOUND SOME FORESHOWDOING TO ROSE BEING PINK DIAMOND In the sea spire episode She said to Steven THIS PLACE IS TOUR HERITAGE as in hey Steven you own this spire

I think that in Rose's Scabbard they were speaking of the revolution to try and drive the other diamonds away from the planet and agree to leave the life alone. Whereas in A Single Pale Rose it was about staging the shattering as a last resort. Pearl was reluctant because she *did* have to stab the love of her life, but it was the only way to stop the diamonds.

While I think Rose/Pink was fond of and appreciated Pearl, I don't think it was romantic love. I think it was more the affection one has for a comrade in arms and a confidant. Pearl's affection for Rose/Pink on the other hand is more that of a fanatic/zealot/sycophant due to her preprograming as a loyal servant. Now maybe over time on Earth that changed, but the fact that she still has not moved on shows a selfishness, immaturity, and infatuation rather than a mature caring love. Maybe I am being harsh, but true love is putting the wellbeing and happiness of the other above your own feelings and desires. And I do agree that Pearl's conversation with Rose in "Rose's Scabbard" was before the events she showed in "A Single Pale Rose".

It's really sad the relationship between Pearl and Rose. Rose kind of manipulated Pearl, and lied to Greg. It's horrible, she didn't care about Pearl or the Diamonds, Rose never really had empathy.

Care about Pearl? I'm sure. But actually love...I don't think so. Pearl is supposed to be the one that doesn't belong to anyone. But that's a lie.

I think that Pink Diamond loved Pearl as a friend because BD and YD always give lectures to PD about acting like a diamond , while pearl just acts like how pearls act sweetly with their diamonds . Also love your theories The Roundtable

*People before hearing Rebecca Sugar say the "My" thing:* Rose calls her her pearl, so she must own her. *People after hearing Rebecca Sugar say the "My" thing:* This is heavy, Rose respects pearl, and it was obvious from the start

I had kinda assumed that Rose was somewhat poly and that she loved lots of people intimately in her own way but that due to her narcissism and lack of connection with people and easily distracted and independent personality and various other issues is not a very healthy lover, discards people easily, forgets about other people’s feelings etc. I think with Greg she was probably more monogamous but more importantly she learned how to respect someone and take their feelings into consideration more. I don’t think she ever fully got over her flaws I’m not sure that gems on homeworld have actual romantic relationships. They’re non sexual and fuse for practical reasons. They can have very intimate relationships with their own kind and court without labels. Family, friendship and flirtatious love all intertwined... Tbh as someone poly with adhd and the relationship issues that come with that such as obsession with someone quickly and then getting easily distracted by something and running away when something gets difficult to do something new, I relate closely to Rose. If there wasn’t a clear framework and communication about what people typically want and respect from relationships I’m sure I’d hurt people pretty badly

I know people are still pretty much burning Rose in effigy since the reveal, but I can say with absolute confidence that YES, Rose loved Pearl. They clearly wanted different things from the relationship (Rose wanted to open up and be with humans too, Pearl wanted her all to herself) but that doesn't make either person bad. And many people are joking now that she can't be a "renegade Pearl" since she was still fighting alongside her diamond, but she didn't join her because she had to, but because she WANTED to. And keep in mind all the times Pearl interacts with homeworld gems, they point out how much more assertive our Pearl is. Behavior that was ecouraged by Rose. You guys can say what you want, I still don't think Rose is a bad person.

Pretty sure what's going on is that White Diamond gave her Pearl (our Pearl) to Pink Diamond to help her with colonizing Earth and since White Diamond probably has higher authority, so does her Pearl.. so in a way even though Pearl is lower than Pink Diamond, I think Pink might respect her more than just any other Pearl. There could also be an appreciation besides hierarchy seeing that they created a more special relationship together.

Maybe like a best friend sure, anymore than that and I'd have to question it a bit.

In my mind, she loved her but not like pearl loved her, just like her bigest friend, her confident

It’s most likely she was using her tbh , pearl only loves rose- I mean pink, that much because it’s in her “ code “

"If I could begin to be, half of what you think of me... I could do about anything..." Guess that song was sung by Pink Diamond.

*Did Pink Diamond love Pearl?* Me: YES PLEASE

Pink calling Pearl "my Pearl" is almost like Lars calling Sadie "Player 2" while he was trying to get out of work

I didn't even realize that Diamonds always only called their pearls "Pearl", never "My Pearl"; so this def showed me something i didn't realize before.

Rose/Pink clearly respected and valued Pearl, but she had no romantic feelings for her. Pearl was her companion and trusted servant, co-conspirator and knight. A sister in arms and beloved friend, but never a lover. Pearl was simply deluded all this time. Inflating her position in her own mind and never told otherwise. Why? For the same reason everything in the show happened. Because Pink Diamond could not stand a confrontation, could not ever just say no to the people she loved. She did everything and more to avoid having to face her peers with her convictions. She rather made excuses, started a war and even faked her own death just so she did not have to stand up to Yellow and Blue. The same way she has never told Pearl to move on, but just strung her along somehow, trying not to hurt her. And what suffering has come from that. I believe that this is the final big lection of SU. That it is better to be honest with your family, even if it hurts. Because the lies hurt more in the end.

Doing those painful ass tests and coming home to crystal clear. Pretty much balances things out. Good episode

Pearl: All my hopes and dreams have died long long ago. Steven: How many years? Pearl: Idk, how old are you?

1)I believe that comparing newer episodes to older is a bit bad because it is clear that they didn't age too well. 2)I think that Pink liked Pearl as a friend at best, maybe had a fleeting crush on her, but nothing more. It was already made very clear that Pink was not the best person and I bet that her feelings for Pearl were momentary at best.

Or it could be that rose called Pearl,"My Pearl "when they were starting the Revolution and she asked her to shatter her as pink diamond in the middle of the

When Pink says my Pearl, Pearl may have been White Diamond's who's got a higher rank. But good theory! ^^

Pearl loved the pink quartz rose diamond lady

“People called me stupid... i am but..” Someone please give this kid an oscar

I really cannot see Pink/Rose as a bad person who cared only about herself or unaware of how Pearl or the others felt about her. I think that's exactly why she decided to be with Greg and have Steven. I really do think Pink/Rose loved Pearl, and I think she never really stopped loving her. I think Pink/Rose realized that that Pearl would never stop acting like a pearl around her...meaning the relationship was never really as "real" as it was meant to be, and Pearl was never really free. I'm married, and I think if this was happening between me and my husband, I'd walk away from him too. Codependency is insidious and toxic, and Pearl deserved better. She deserved a chance to make a REAL relationship with someone of her choosing based on genuine feelings, not the remnants of slave mentality bound to someone she never had a real choice on being with. Pearl of course thinks it's ALL choice, she CHOSE Pink/Rose...but you really don't just forget about being a slave, especially when you are involved with your old master. Rose needed a change, Pearl needed a change, the Crystal Gems needed a change and a chance to stand on their own fused feet if they were ever to have any chance at defeating Homeworld. As long as Rose was there, they were never really living up to their potential because Rose was always their crutch. Steven was a perfect solution for all of them.

No she didn't. Before Greg she had no concept of love, and even then she has difficulty grasping the concept. She probably did respect her, but she didn't know how to love like Pearl did.

Pink Diamond was a child Diamond. Any actions that were taken by her fall on her parents, the diamonds that made her. A good parent would have never given PD a colony. She was young and immature. Children whine all the time. You don't give into their demands. And this whole show is based on what a child would do because of negligent parenting. People call PD a thot. Mind you, she could live for thousands of years while humans average a lifespan of 70 years. She was bound to date multiple men, because theoretically, she would have lived forever. And, on top of that, she wasnt taught how to have or maintain a faithful relationship. She had parents who let her do whatever she wanted with no discipline. Its BD and YD's fault. Lastly, the whole point of the war was for gems to be free of their given purpose by their superiors. I think that PD did know that Pearl loved her, but because Pearl was made for her, this is why PD stressed that they would be free of their roles and they could live the lives they wanted. Pearl saw that PD's interest was in male humans. She never stood a chance but she decided to stay and hope there could be a "them" eventually. PD can't be blamed for the decisions that Pearl decided to make. That's why she made it a point to tell Pearl that she never had to do anything just because PD/Rose was doing it. PD stood for freedom of gems from their purpose. She tried to free Pearl from the obligation Pearls were made to have for their Diamonds. Pearl was just too naive in love to understand the true meaning of the rebellion. Done.

Nah, Rose always dated humans while Pearl was around. They just died.

Perhaps she didn't love Pearl romantically like Ruby and Sapphire have, but based on their interactions I would be confident in believing that Rose, PD had a genuine respect and trust in Pearl, this it is a different kind of love and loyalty. There many kinds of love. In Greg she found romance and a level she could share her inner desires of being "human" with, because he was human. Whereas she could never get that sense of compassion and understanding with another Gem. pearl still avoids certain human traditions such as eating but will do so only with Steven. These habits are something Rose was intrigued about and could only experience with a human. But we also see them fusing which according to garnet, a stable fusion is based on mutual trust. Pd being willing to fuse with pearl shows that there is a mutual trust and love. And rainbow quartz behavior, you can tell there is synchrony between them.

I think she did just not in the way Pearl would have wanted.

Pearl: My Diamond! Pink: Yes Pearl? Pegarle:i love you! Pink:I love you too! Your my best friend! *Pearl is friend zoned *

Wow man, Just laying that answer as clear as possible.. If Pearl were here she would- *insert Pearl talking off her saltiness BOI*

I view Pink Diamond as sort of this...collosal child, albeit one that has an insane amount of power and influence. Think about how ill-adapted to human concepts Peridot was. Pink Diamond is going to have been the same, even if she took a shine to these concepts of love and friendship. But she's still this highly immature person at the time. So naturally, she's going to be self-interested in a way where she doesn't intentionally hurt people. Love like You is definetly Pink's theme. She learned a lot, to the point where I feel like Rose really became who she was in the end..and then Steven was her next step in evolution, realizing that she could give even more to the world by bringing Steven into it fresh, without any of the 'flaws' that Rose was never going to be able to break away from. It's selfish, but it makes sense. Steven has brought about so many changes that Rose never could as someone that could only change so much.

Remember in Full Disclosure when Pearl said "Uhhhh I don't know. I don't really understand your human relationships"? I think that applies to most gems. Maybe one of the underlying arcs of the this universe is that gem kind is evolving that capacity but is nowhere near there. To Pink it was like an exciting new toy, like a kid with a brand new driver's license. They definitely still need limits how when and where they can drive, and they don't get the cheap insurance.

I loved that interview as well

*”They called me stupid; I am, but I was right about that.”* I’m crying rn

You know, "just strung her along" seems...unlikely when you're talking about timespans as long as 5,000 years.

I saw your ed edd and eddy tweet I cracked up

I have to say it’s manipulation. Between pink Diamond charisma and the programming pearl has I can’t really see anything else. I mean diamonds can already rule through fear and discipline why not from what appears to be a caring nature. As for pearl I do believe pink was using her programming to sort of brain wash her. I still don’t believe we’ve seen how that conversations in a single pale rose or rose’s scabbard really went down since it was from a biased view. I don’t know they probably were. But when it comes from a character like pearl who was zeolot like tendencies I can’t be to sure.

I'M SCREAMINGGG. THIS ANALYSIS IS PERFECT!

I really love the idea that Steven doesn't get his compassion and kindness and sense of caring from _Rose,_ but _Greg._

Does anyone notice how Pearl has different colors? Like most pearls have one color and maybe a darker/lighter color. But Pearl has Yellow,blue,pink, and white? Maybe Pearl used to be one serve all diamonds. Like a Super Pearl.

yeah these are defiantly separate considering before the hologram pearl says "it was right here over (4000? i think) years ago."

Pearl was literally made to be what pink wanted. Pink gave pearl her freedom but that programing was still there. I think pearl genuinely loved pink but it must be hard to have relationship because pearl almost has to do what pink wants. That's not a good basis for a relationship.

Infinity war has me so messed up I can't even hear undying fidelity without crying.

If the scene in roses scabbard happened right before she was "shattered" it makes sense that she disappeared suddenly since she could NOT talk about it

It was already explain the Rose aka Pink Diamond doesn't understand love etc, and thinks of it as nothing more than them being showered with praise and affections. Pearl has shown through flashbacks that Rose has mingled with a lot humans way back. It wasn't until Rose met Greg that they started to somewhat understand but thought of it as nothing more than complicated. Whether she understood love before they had steven is up to debate. Rose said everything is just an experience. Which really downplays the whole feelings thing. Rose just does what she wants and wants to experience everything humans do regardless of anyone's will being or feelings. Thinking about it now, that's pretty messed up. But then again rose never consider the consequences of their actions. Rose is like a spoiled brat that no one never said no to. They pretty much always got what they wanted and never considered the downsides

I think that When pearl is telling rose/pink about the thoughts she’s been having, she tells her about how she “thinks about meeting her on earth and even though she’s not hers, she makes her happy”. Rose calls her “ my pearl” in rose’s scabbard to show her that she really cares and that she is happy about having her with her.

The conversation in Rose's Scabbard was not the same conversation that Pearl and "Rose" had right before "shattering" her.. Pearl states "Do you remember this place?" implying that THIS is where the conversation happened. This did not happen inside of Pink's palanquin. I imagine this conversation being held at the beginning of the rebellion. Pink was informing Pearl of her plans to rebel, but wanted to give her a chance to go back to homeworld before she got in too deep. She speaks of the consequences of winning and losing, she's talking about starting the rebellion. She was probably introducing Pearl to "Rose Quartz" for the first time. Notice how apprehensive Pink looks when talking to Pearl, and how relieved she seems that Pearl enthusiastically accepts her. The conversation in the palanquin however happened nearer to the end of the rebellion. They were already committed to the idea of rebelling. "Rose" had been a recognized threat for years before Pink was "shattered." Pearl knew about and was part of Pink's secret rebellion the whole time. In this conversation they are discussing Pink's radical tactic of faking her own death, not the pros and cons of Pearl joining the rebellion. To me it seemed like they had already been discussing this plan for a while. Pearl did seem hesitant to go through with the plan, but I don't think it's because she had only just been introduced to it. I think she was hesitant because of her programming telling her to be loyal to and never turn on her diamond. She was enthusiastic to support Pink in the rebellion, but the idea of attacking your diamond is so drastically opposite of a pearl's designed purpose.

Maybe pink diamond started to realize she didn’t really understand the feelings of others and that is what drew her closer to Greg and wanted to be more like him even if it meant leaving behind what she was to be forever fused with Greg

I really enjoyed this theory! My only issue is that the supposition of this argument is based on romantic love, versus pure kinship. I believe Rose felt more of a kinship to Pearl, versus anything romantic (where we all know Pearl was romantically invested in Rose/PD). To PD's credit, Pearl was never vocal about her feelings. Maybe I just sympathize with Rose more than most and just don't see any malicious intentions versus just causes and effects that were more than she could handle alone.

Greg really did drive his van into Pink Diamonds heart. With a lot of speed. 😂

I think that conversation was before Pink's shatter, asking Pearl if we start rebellion there is no going back.

Great video this is a difficult thing to ask because it's hard for me to think pink diamond is mature she seems really childish like she was just playing with everyone which is pretty messed up

No she has a large amount of admiration because pearl gave her freedom from being a diamond but shes the type of person to do as she pleases

I think Rose loved Pearl as a pet, or a younger sibling. She cared about Pearl’s well-being, but didn’t see her as an equal or someone to take seriously. Pearl was made for Pink Diamond, programmed to love her & sacrifice everything for her well-being. Rose could never reciprocate Pearl’s feelings because she knew Pearl’s feelings weren’t real.

She loved her as a friend plus she knows that pearl was programmed to obey/love her unlike humans

I think the hologram flashback in Rose's Scabbard took place before Pink staged her rebellion.

Love is a powerful thing

I feel like the conversation in Rose’s Scabbard was when Pink decided to start the rebellion as Rose Quartz, I don’t think it was the same conversation of them staging the shattering. Which is why Pearl is a lot more willing to rebel compared to Pearl having cold feet when it came to her “killing” Rose/Pink.

There are many forms of love so it is possible that pink did love pearl for the fact that pearl was kind to her.

Ooo! I never thought about this! Good point! Love your vids guys!

My first thought after watching a Single Pale Rose: Are Rose Quartz's fusions of Smokey Quartz and Rainbow Quartz actually Quartz at all? I took geology, so after some time, I settled on yes, because quarts are high on the Moh's scale and can come in any color like diamonds, BUT it was an interesting thought. How does this affect her fusions?

Let’s just give a round of applause for pearl for just existing 👏👏👏

"People called me stupid. I am, but..." OMG CHILD I weeped x'D

So Pearl is the stilted wife and Greg is the mistress. Man that sucks. 😞

She did love her. Just not as much as she would love Greg later. She genuinely fell for him because he challenged her and accepted her for who she was no matter what. I always got the impression that Pearl loved Pink D much more then Pink could ever reciprocate. That or she wasn't aware of the true depths of Pearl's love. It seems Pearl never came out and told Pink how she really felt, so Pink Diamond was always sort of in the dark. Pearl was content to just stay by her side.

The one thing that rubbed me the wrong way was in a single pale rose was that when PD was listing all the great things about living on earth, she named Pearl last which really makes me question how much PD loved Pearl.

Not really only as a friend

I'm pretty sure that the conversation in Rose's scabbard was just before the rebellion, back when it was just Rose and Pearl. The shattering of PD wasn't until 1,000 years later.