It’s iconic to think Greg was the only one to ever actually call Rose out on her bs to her face.

Being abused explains it, yet it doesn't excuse it.

As it turns out, Steven inherited his kindness from Greg, not Rose.

The thumbnail looks like Spinel is venting and pink is just like: *_WHeEze_*

Spinel: *gives unconditional fun and love to pink diamond* Pink diamond: Ight, imma head out.

Pink diamond is the type of dad to go "grab a milk carton”

Pink: I gtg, my moms r calling me. Spinel: Ok, let's play tomorrow! Pink: Sure :) LAST SEEN ONLINE: 6000 YEARS AGO

The way pinks pearl, volleyball described the incident with pink diamond was exactly what an abuse victim would say. “She didn’t mean to hurt me, I just happened to be standing in the way” “you know how she is”. Essentially making excuses for her.

I’m now questioning why the gem war was led by basically a giant 12 year old

"rose had a human fetish" that is scary accurate.

I think her flaw as a diamond was being childlike, she was young at heart, to the point she lacked the maturity to realize what she was doing to everyone around her and it took Greg to finally show the slightest bit of repercussions for her actions; like the egocentric stage of childhood. Hence, why she decided to give up her form to become a better version of herself by making Steven with the traits of herself and Greg. I don’t think she is a villain per say but, due to what her “flaw” as a diamond made her oblivious too has caused her to be a past tense antagonist for Steven’s life.

"Pink Diamond is Kind of a Bad Person" I love how the Steven Universe Fandom is JUST NOW realizing this.

Any other person she had a relationship with: exist Pink diamond: Ight imma head out...

That one moment when you realize Throughout the whole show of Steven universe, Spinel was just waiting at the garden

Basically Pink Diamond is a kid who treats everyone like a toy, once she finds a newer, more fascinating toy, she'll disregard the old one and give the new one her love and the cycle repeats .

I like the pink diamond plot twist. The fact that the main villain of the series is a essentially a dead person a lot of people idolized intrigues me. The fact that they foreshadowed it so well too.

And to think Stevens compassion came from his dads side of the family.

so rose is a baby boomer? "I'll do all this and the next generation will have to fix it" - the plot of Steven universe.

"Pink Diamond is kind of a bad person." "I'm... not a real person.."

Pink diamond is still a diamond, she was 'raised' in a diamond way, sometimes people forget she's still a diamond at heart BECAUSE of rose quartz

Spinel:Pink diamond left me in this garden for 6000 years Steven and literally everybody else: *disappointed but not surprised*

But this also makes me wonder what REAL rose quartz’s are like...

Everyone seems to forget that Pink Diamond's Character Development was in Reverse, I still love her.

“Pink Diamond is Kind of a Bad Person” Every sixty seconds in Africa a minute passes.

*Pink Diamond is Kinda a Bad Person* Rose: But I'm not a real person...

"Can't believe she did that..." Steven then recollects everything that happened from S1-5, "Well on second thought..."

The Diamonds are like pinks parents, Rose was her way of going out behind her parents back to play. She metaphorically and physically rebelled against them and in the end left only a kid in the world. She always left her issues for other people to work out and showed that she was basically a kid playing with dolls who never grew up.

Agreed, that's absolutely in keeping with Pink's persona. Yellow has the garb of a soldier and is quick, decisive, brash, violent, all those attributes. Blue is in very round garb of somber blue - she is all emotion, mostly sad, wills others to feel her pain, wallows in suffering, etc. White is brittle perfection with her spiky headpiece, unilateral view (white is the non-inclusion of other colors, after all), absent of feeling, shows psychopathy and yet complete propriety and moral superiority at the same time *shudder*. While pink is literally in clown's clothes. She's the poppet, the guignol. The Fool. She is the embodiment of childish fancy with all the passions, daring yet thoughtlessness of a child. With all the breathtaking goodness and horrifying badness that can bring. Totes makes sense.

Pink Diamond, the actual unintentional antagonist of Steven Universe

She basically did the same thing to Bismuth, except she was bubbled instead of just abandoned.

“If I could be...half of what you think of me...I could do without anything...I could even learn to love like you...” “I always thought I must be bad, but now I’m sure...cause...I think you’re so good and I’m nothing like you.” I really think it’s mostly from Pink’s perspective. She wasn’t perfect, she made mistakes. She, like the other diamonds, didn’t understand others like we do. But she still loved things like Greg and her son. This is why Steven is the perfect protagonist for this story because he’s the representation of Pink learning what love is. In Steven, he feels more emotion than other characters which is why characters just flock to him. He understands them and makes them understand. Pink made horrible mistakes but, on a human level, we do too. It doesn’t excuse what she did but we also have to understand that Pink wasn’t human with human values. Which makes the things she’s done more believable. This was further exemplified in the episode where Greg tried to fuse with her and she laughed but then stopped when Greg was crying. “Why are you crying?” She says this with a look of genuine curiosity but to us it was clear as day why Greg was upset. Those kinds of human values are what separates us from people like the Diamonds. She’s something that was trying to learn what makes these strange humans so interesting. And I can bet you that part of the reason why she found humans so fascinating was their differences in values. Values that seem to make no sense to gems but an impractical sense to us. She wanted to learn to “love like you” like Greg and other humans (because she found it so amazing). Pink may have been cruel but she was also extremely ignorant.

Everyone : Pink diamond was bad and Spinel WAS IN THE RIGHT Spinel : I came gere to take my anger out on a bunch of strangers...

I don't think you can truly redeem a dead character

fun fact bismuth got the same fate as spinel , we should of seen this coming

Remember that we saw Pink's growth in reverse so it's much easier to claim she's a bad person (although the rest of the diamonds are way worse but idk why no one acknowledges that)

His mother didn’t even treat Spinel like person Spinel was treated like a toy

Pink Diamond can be explained in two words: "Bye, son!!"

Well white daimond was right about one thing. Pink really did act like a child PS: Thank you all for the likes

She will never truly be redeemed being that she's kinda dead. Steven took her place when he came to be and there is no turning back. People can make justifications for her and Steven can solve all her problems, but it'll never be a true redemption being that it was Steven that handled her past issues and not her herself. She never came back to explain herself or apologize and she can't do that because Steven is her now. She's not an evil person, but she's definitely flawed in the way that she just ran from her issues and left people like Pearl, Spinel, Bismuth, and Pink Pearl behind with a bunch of baggage to deal with. Like did she ever even wonder about Spinel left alone in that garden or Bismuth bubbled up and locked away somewhere with no one to find her? Pearl and Garnet had just thought Bismuth got destroyed in the war or something. That's pretty messed up.

1 year later: Pink is kind of a good person

She went to get the milk, and came back as a human-gem hybrid Thank you for all the likes

Steven's relationship/interpretations of his mom are some of my favorite moments in the show, so when Steven said "I can't believe mom would do that to you...actually, I can *totally* believe it," I died laughing.

I feel awful for Steven. He had to clean up the mess his mom left behind.

Well you have to admit. The writers did one heck of a good job to have Pink Diamond be the center of this kind of discussion. Goes to show how complex, yet flawed of a character she really is.

All the diamonds are bad just the difference with pink is she doesn't have a Redemption Arc Edit:why does this have so many likes

In other words: my mom was a b*tch and i had to pay for it :the movie

I love the fact Pink Diamond is nuanced, shows how good the writing is

Hey, I'm a surviver and I just wanted to say thank you for this video. Being abused does not justify hurting others. It never does. I could relate to Spinel so much and the show dealt with the whole abuse and genocide and redeeming so so badly, it was a terrible example. There are things that are not redeemable and there is a point where you can't make everything OK again. You can grow and change and do better but that does not make you entitled to anyone forgiving you or wanting you around.

Y’all know if she was alive she’d get a redemption arc Edit: oh damn thanks for the likes lol

Spinel: *Exist* Pink Diamond: *Imma end this gems whole life*

Your speech about how abuse may explain why someone acts in negative ways but doesn't excuse the fact that they are causing harm really hit home. I have been told too many times to count that when I got upset over other's actions and how they hurt me, "Well you have to remember how they grew up/experienced/suffered." Like they had zero control over the way they act. So hearing this (especially since I'm in the middle of a platonic break up with what I'm realizing might have been an incredibly toxic relationship) was actually really helpful and unexpected from this video. Thank You, it is very much appreciated.

I think by the time Pink is "shattered" and we see Rose living on Earth, there is a genuine attempt at change. I think though that Greg was the first person to truly make Rose think about whether she was a good person or not. And ultimately, Rose's willingness to give up her form I think was a sincere attempt at trying to rectify things. Humans can change, and at least a that point, gems couldn't (or at least that was the impression). Rose put her faith in the fact that Steven would be better than her. You can still say that's selfish, but I do think there's at least some shred of decency to that logic.

Someone:Has some kind of Feeling for pink diamond Pink diamond:Ight imma head out

Can we just talked about how the whole time Tom's character looks like he's reading a script off to his left.

I think that Rebecca Sugar wanted to show us how neglect and abuse can cause some what of a domino effect. I remember watching Psych2Go about how abuse and neglect carries on through the teachings of parents. Children grow up thinking that what their friends, family, and siblings put them through is normal and then continue the legacy of hurting others around them. This was just a thought.

So basically, she’s a diamond.

"I can't believe mom did that to you Actually, I can totally believe it"

"Pink diamond is kind of a bad person " Me:"OKAY I BELIEVE YOU "

pink diamond was bad. not "is bad". her actions as rose quartz and led to the era of freedom which was the major choice of creating the existence of steven. sometimes people think about someone being bad at the past . forgetting about the more good things they did in the present.

The movie and SU: Future really opened my eyes to just how bad Pink Diamond was. rewatching the original series and seeing flashbacks and how the gems remembered her.. it was uncomfortable, seeing just how much she’s damaged others around her. Honestly, I loved how Rebecca Sugar made it somewhat subtle for some people. The movie was a giant bomb shell for some people, including myself.

Plot twist. Pink is just playing pretend in her Steven flesh suit because she's scared of owning up to her mess.

She had few morals, childish and self-indulgent.

"You're bad guy. But this does not mean you're bad guy." Her character is far to complex to just be labeled good or bad.

She isn’t bad she was bad before getting earth to colonize. Even in the show they said she changed after she saw how beautiful is earth

Lapis:I was trapped in a mirror for 5000 years Spinel: hold my roots Holy crap this is the most likes I have ever gotten the most I have had before this was 27 thanks guys!!!!!

*Yellow, Blue, and White cause a genocide* Fandom: *Forgives them* *Pink leaves Spinel* Fandom: >:0

A major theme of Steven Universe is that no-one is beyond redemption... but I think Pink Diamond is the one exception in the series, for a single, simple reason: She's gone. There is no potential for her to change her ways, because she can't take actions anymore. She's a total deconstruction of the "villain redeemed by a heroic death" trope. Dying didn't correct any of the wrongs she'd done; it just let her escape having to answer for them.

the only one who could redeem her in this universe, is literally Steven

To be fair. All the diamonds were terrible so its not to surprising

That's why she reformed as Steven to avoid all the hell she would receive

pink diamond is a child, that was definitely unaware of how much effect she had on others. she was irresponsible and selfish, at best.

Kind of? Pink is the poster child for Chaotic Neutral.

“Pink Diamond is kind of a bad person” Understatement of the year buddy

It's pretty common in a lot of shows, especially in Steven Universe, to give previously established "bad" characters a redemption arc and turn them into "good" characters. What's interesting here is that Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond had the opposite thing happen. The entire show has essentially been about her fall from grace. At the beginning of the show, all everyone talked about was how wonderful Rose was and Steven was trying so hard to be like her but the more we learn about her the more we see that's not true. She's literally has the opposite of a redemption arc. At this point, I believe Pink is irredeemable. Mainly because, well, she's basically dead... There's no room for her character to learn and grow and move beyond her transgressions because she's not around to do those things. The irony of Steven trying so hard to live up to her reputation is that he actually became more of the person that everyone claimed she was than she actually was

Plot twist, pink diamond is the irredeemable villain people have been begging for

I looked at the titles and immediately though “YEAH NO SHIT”

Pink diamond is basically just one of those people who just abandoned their dogs

Pink Diamond: *I'm going grocery shopping, I'll be back in 5 minutes!*

Damn dude If Star Wars was Family Drama Screwing up the Galaxy... Steven Universe is basically Pink Diamond's Tantrums screwing up the Galaxy and all the people around her XD

I think people need to remember that the Pink Diamond that abandoned spinel, left bismuth in a bubble, etc, isn't the same person who eventually got to know greg and gave up her life for steven: We essentially saw her redemption arc in reverse: At the start of the series, she was held up as this perfect moral figure, after she already had all her growth and changed as a person, and as SU went on we saw more and more of her faults and bad things she did before that point.

"But, I'm not a real person." Lets remember that she's didn't really learn to care for another person, for a good while. Edit: More likes than I thought lol either way it’s open to interpret. That’s why she’s written to be dynamic.

In my opinion pink diamond/rose is not bad or good. She made a lot of mistakes, but she learned from them in her own way. The show is showing her deeds backwards by showing her redemption first aka being with greg and learning to love him and wanting Steven, saving the humans, cherishing fusion etc. And as the show goes on, they show her bad mistakes. Yeah it sucks how she left everyone behind with her problems, but I think she just was a dreamer hoping for a better place. And by doing so only concentrating on herself, aka she was selfish. But as time went by and her finally starting to see things as they are and Greg telling her about what’s not right (he was the only person to teach her what she’s doing wrong) She learned what not to do. In my own experience I have made same kinds of mistakes like her. I left a person when I was younger because she was too clingy and wanted to hang out with me all the time. As i look back on it, I realize how horrible I was towards her. She loved to hang out with me and she did all these kind things to me, but I, being the selfish person I was and wanting to hang out with the cool people, left her behind. I also told her to act more like a grownup (even tho I was being more childish). I Ignored her calls and in the end, ended up breaking her heart. People always hurt the people who love them the most. But like Spinel, this girl that I hurt, changed because of me. She wanted to hang out with the cool people too. I already had changed my way of thinking and wanted to say sorry for the way I treated her, but it was already too late. She had changed completely, heavy makeup, clothes, how she talked and what music she listened to. All to satisfy some strangers needs. I ignored this and wanted still to return her into my life, but she didn’t accept me anymore. She wanted me to change too. She wanted me to put more makeup, slutty clothes, change the way I talk and all. It hurt me this time. After that I felt like shit for a long time. I almost started dressing that way too because I wanted to feel beautiful again.I guess karma is a bitch. Pink Diamond did not have anyone to learn from what is right and what is wrong before Greg. She had to learn things with experience. By doing horrible things she observed what happens after doing so and then maybe learned from that. Running away was one of her learnings.later she learned to fight. Home-world was advanced in Pink diamonds time only in technology, but emotions and understanding feelings was a very confusing subject for the gems. Abuse, slaves, hierarchy was a thing there. Yes, she could have said sorry for her things. But in her defense I have to say that she just didn’t know how. Greg even said that Rose felt like confessing about many things but it’s all in the past now. I think she didn’t go get Spinel because she viewed her mostly as a toy. She had so many things in her mind that she couldn’t satisfy everyone. Yes that’s horrible, I agree, but she loved the crystal gems, she loved the planet earth, she loved many things. No one is an angel nor a demon. Some people just learn the wrong way of doing things and don’t have common sense, but that doesn’t make them horrible people. “If every pork chop were perfect, we wouldn’t have hotdogs.”~ Greg Universe

Pink: did mistakes in the past but tried to change Fandom and Steven: SHE'S THE WORST White, Blue and Yellow: literally shattered and corrupted millions of gems, destroyed planets and organic life and abused pink Fandom and Steven: they are ok

*Internet:* "Pink Diamond is a bad person" *Me:* [As Plankton] "ALRIGHT I GET IT!!!"

*Pink causes a lot of problems* Pink: Ight Ima head out

Talk about bad she a bad lady and left poor poor spinel in the garden alone

If pink was perfect there will be no Steven

I wonder did she truly love Greg or did she have a kid because she wanted the experience

Pink: *abandoned spinel* Me and Everyone who loves spinel: so you chose death

She took advantage of pearl’s affection and then just moved on after she had her use.

Pink was just awful she cracked her pearl eyes from emotional damage, she left spinel for 6,000 years, and she was a brat to the diamonds that’s only like three and there all horrible

Both spinel and steven have "PINK" (ANDY) written in sharpy on the bottom of their boots.

Basically the only thing Pink/Rose did right was give birth to Steven

*It's funny how the fandom can accept when someone meant to be a good character is a terrible and selfish one.*

Pink Diamond: You can’t face your consequences if you have a son to do it for you.

This is probably the most mature and thought-provoking view of why Pink Diamond is bad. It’s opinions like these where they don’t choose sides of whether she *is* too good to be bad or she *is* too bad then being good, and that it brings up really good points with important evidence based on clips, quotes, etc., that really shines a light of hope for people of the fandom seeking answers and closure to these character traits. But much like the movie “there’s no happily ever after.“ We’ve yet to know more for what’s in store as the series still carries on. It can’t be promised, but hopefully things turn for better then for worse for the fandom.

Steven knows that pink is the worst, her SON knows, keep that in mind

She didn't have a Steven, and in the end we all see how being used affected Steven too.

For people to grow up to become good people, they need to be taught right from wrong. Pink didn't have the best role models since she hardly ever interacted with anyone but her sisters. After seeing Earth and Homeworld from the point of view of a common gem, she got to have a new perspective. As Sapphire pointed out, Rose was following her and Ruby as much as they were following Rose.

Pink went to buy some cigarettes, never come back