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​@@FreedummvlogfcEnlighten us, where did it come from?

Rapping originated in West Africa from the griots, who use to tell stories to live beats and drumming. From there toasting, which is similar (chanting or talking over beats), was later popularized in Jamaica, clearly due to them having West African descent/slavery and then it ended up in the U.S. via DJ Herc, etc leading to rap music and hip hop culture. I took an Afro-musicology course in college and studied Hip Hop.

It's impossible to cut Afro Americans out of the evolution of Hip-hop, but it wasn't AfroAmericans alone. West Indians and Puerto Ricans also contributed to the birth of all the aspects that would later be called Hip-hop. Keep in mind that we never even called it that. Hip-hop was a derogatory phrase the grown ups use to use for our thing. They thought it was garbage. Even the black musical establishment thought what we were doing was garbage. It was the commercial market that applied the term Hip-hop to us. We didn't need to name it. It was our thing, something we lived. Corporate America needed to slap a label on it so they could market it and that was the beginning of the end because now, we don't own it or shape it anymore. It's a bunch of white guys in suits making all the profit off of it and dictating the image and message being put out.

Griots of Africa

Bro you full of s*** stop saying DJ Kool herc's said what if you can't play the video where he said it. How did hip-hop start before DJ Kool herc when everybody says that DJ Kool herc was the one who started hip-hop? DJ Kool herc says he's the father of hip-hop he's the one who started it, that's what he actually says. There was nothing called hip-hop before DJ Kool herc

Please educate the people because Jamaicans are buggin on Tiktok talking about Reggae created Hip Hop.

​@@djwillpower578and early ska/reggae artist were inspired by black american r and b and doo wop groups, SO I GUESS WE INVENTED REGGAE!!!

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLtxra-hrJ7Xlmw.html Jubalaires Noah.

Break beat is what formed the entire movement of hip hop. Stupid ass have a white man teaching you about hip hop history. He doesnt even realize that hip hop is the evolution of what rap became

There are rap records as early as the 1920s. That means they were rapping on the plantations. Since they had NO CONNECTION to Africa... rap was literally birthed by people in bondage.

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@@Leggobeest7107 pigmeat Marham and the Jubalaires are early 1900s rappers. Why is that so funny. So desperate to steal our culture that you laugh at truth and take lies seriously without evidence. Grow up!

@@Leggobeest7107 look up Dewey Pigmeat Markham... and tell me if rap came from Jamaica.

Another thing Cole dj herc, Afrikin bambaata, and grandmaster flash said they created all three of these guys are from the caribbeans. They said Hip Hop was not created by African Americans that is a lie, lie.

Some of these caribbeans people who say they started Hip Hop 100% Percent by themselves is a lie. The definition of Hip Hop are Scratching, cutting and more. An African American invented Scratching his name is DJ Wizzard Theodore this information is on the internet so this proof that caribbean did not started Hip Hop.

The True Fathers of Hip Hop are Grandmaster DJ Flowers, king Disco Mario, Pete DJ Jones, Kool DJ Dee. These African American DJs were playing the definition of Hip Hop elements such as playing the break beat, breakdown, the getdown part, playing the first part, playing the middle, of the record, extending the break beat, Cueing, cutting, Scratching, playing the same copy of the same record on two turntables, and dropping the Record Needle, and playing James Brown.

Grandmaster DJ Flowers of Brooklyn, NEW YORK was playing James Brown, and the Bongo song before in 1970. Dj Herc started playing James Brown, and the Bongo song in 1973.

Grandmaster flash who is Caribbean learned some Deejaying skills from Pete DJ Jones an African American DJ.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't rap

You can go back to the plantation Signifying over a beat like Dolomite

You are right, the people at herc party was used to hearing break beats from other djs. They COMPLAIN because herc was not playing the Break Beats, and they Complain about Reggae music they do not want to hear Reggae music.

Maybe in the 70s but Americans were very interested in JA culture and music in the 60s. Due to people like Johnny Nash and Curtis Mayfield bringing it over to the states. But besides them, there was interest but eventually seen as a passing fad and virtually no one knew of the soundsystem culture that was the most important

@@stanleyshack26 true

We created Hip Hop without the Caribbean influence if it wasn't for FBAs creating a lane for you ungrateful tethers ....yall would still be making music off turtle shells and coconut shells FOH

You are right someone , ir somebody is lying about who started Hip Hop, and it is herc, bambaata, flash the three caribbean DJs are Lairs. They did not start Hop. African Americans Started Hip Hop period. The people at herc party heard the break beat, extending the break beat, playing the same copy of the same record on two, and playing James Brown, and the Bongo song. The people heard the MERRY go round from African American DJs were already playing the MERRY go round before herc.

Ain’t no Jamaicans named Mary Jerry 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@moisttwatkinz4328 am I the only one that doesn’t use a real name I here. Smh. 🤔

@@moisttwatkinz4328 Moist Yes the Caribbean people played a part in Hip Hop, but they did not INVENT HIP HOP. DJ herc, Afrikin Bambaata, and Flash are saying that they are the True Fathers of Hip Hop which they are from the Caribbeans that is a Lie

@@What-mb1pf The True Fathers of Hip Hop are Grandmaster DJ Flowers, King Disco, Pete DJ Jones, Kool DJ Dee. These are African American DJs Who were the true inventors of Hip Hop. They were playing the break beat, the getdown part, extending the break beat, playing the same copy of the same record on two turntables, playing James Brown, the Bongo song these elements is what DJ herc say is Hop, These DJs were playing these elements in 1960s. DJ herc said he invented Hip Hop in 1973. Hop was already invented in the late 1960s.

@@moisttwatkinz4328 Moist it would be wrong for me to say African Americans Invented Reggae Music because African Americans Influence Reggae Music. It is wrong, and then said ONLY African Americans are the Fathers of Reggae Music that is wrong. White people, Latinos played a part in Hip Hop but they did start Hip Hop. African American Started Hip Hop.

Thank you, I appreciate that!

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Word.. but I’m noticing most people don’t know the 5 elements of Hiphop

Because they know if they say RAP they will look like fools even trying to say HIP HOP was started by Jamaicans THEY HAVE NO IDEA WE HAD SOUND SYSTEMS BEFORE JAMAICANS

@@hoodtube3686 whos we

@@hellothere3963 BLACK AMERICANNS AKA YANKEES AKA FBA AKA ADOS

Africa Americans Radio DJs jive talking which Rapping & Hip Hop over the songs, then a Jamaican DJ seen these brought it to Jamaican to create Toasting look it up.

Radio DJs Jive talking is Rapping over the songs on the radio.

Jive talking was used since slavery for African Americans

Jive Talking goes back to slavery time for African Americans, but Jive Talking was not only for dis radio, musicians but it was common conversation in African American Culture.

Jive Talking is Rapping over the songs, and music.

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DONT FORGET REGGAE

It’s not strong!

Nobody is rewriting hip hop history lol its very obvious that Jamaica is responsible for hip hip,theres a lot of evidence. The first person to sing hip hop was a jamaican.

@Jay Aleem I wasn’t speaking to u actually so hush up.

@Jay Aleem Yeah bro ur 100% correct coke La Rock was the first person who sing Hip Hop.😂😂😂😂 Plot twist: His ethnicity is “JAMAICAN” he’s of Jamaican descent that man has Jamaican roots. He was born in America to 2 Jamaican parents actually.😅 A wah dis man but cuh pon bloodclaat unu tuh unu need fi try stop it and accept di rass truth cho man.🤣🤣🤣

@@Lifestylewithjada Where is your proof?

Even before then 1940s Jubilaires

@Cristiano Ronaldo who copied? Hip Hop is a AA invention

@Cristiano Ronaldo "We started imitating the Rhythm & Blues songs" - Jamaican artist kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsmmituWmZi1hIE.html

@Cristiano Ronaldo Jocko Henderson was rhyming to R&B in the 60s, other AA were toasting before him. Jack The Rapper Gibson pioneered radio DJing, you cant name one Jamaican artist who brought a Hip Hop element over here.

@Cristiano Ronaldo Pigmeat Markham were rhyming over instruments in the 40s, what Jamaicans were they influenced by?? 🤔🤔🤦🏾‍♂️ kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iZykg8aot7vOqXU.html

@Cristiano Ronaldo How the hell are you going to mention HIP HOP withouy mentioning WC, DJ Mario, and the BLACK SPADES????? You culture thiefs dont focus on FACTS, so I understand. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eruVoNGS16jJcas.html

I agree...

@Puck Youh Obvious immigrant babble.

@Puck Youh Okay now go fix up your country.

This is true. Clement Dodd, a early Jamaican artist I said that toasting was created by copying American radio DJs

It is so crazy how some jamaicans learn things from African Americans changed the name and say t j.g ey started it first such Lairs, Lairs

A jamican man heard African American radio DJs talking Jive talking which is Rapping over the songs, or music. The Jamaican man took Jive talking back to Jamaican The Jamaican, and some caribbeans changing Jive talking to Toasting. Now some caribbean people are saying they brought Toasting to American and that is how Toasting help African American to start Rapping that is a lie, a Devil Li You see how some of those caribbean people twist the true and turn it into a lie.

You are correct sir there is a direct correlation Jive talk was one of the element and when it was done over the sound system over break beats it was termed as emcee/ toasting or rapping. Not Coke La Rock . La Rock was the first AMERICAN to do toasting

@@djpioneer937 everything gotta influence from somewhere that doesn’t mean toasting couldn’t come Back and influence later hip Hop

never had one. he gets to much credit he only prolonged the sample he never had a hit record

I used AbeBooks to get a second hand copy, and it was missing a few pages, otherwise good condition ones run over $100. Full title is "The Life: The Lore and Folk Poetry of the Black Hustler", if you're searching for it.

Thank you! Yeah, Coxsone Dodd, one of the first big sound system owners in Jamaica has said on a few occasions that the first era of deejays in Jamaica were directly inspired by the "jive talk" of the american radio DJs I highlighted here.

@@GregorDWScott thank you sir!

Jamaican do not refer to their emcee as rapper we called them DJs because during the break beat session they would rhyme over the continous extended break because the dj were trying to do their own (rap) on the beats which were extended. This was dance birth but hip hop birth was from a similar circumstance . Dj kool herc came to jamaica and copied the technique of ising the same aings on 2 different vinyls

@@Leggobeest7107 Your lying her never said this YOUR LYING

Yes there is! Mr. Clement Dodd the Jamaican man Jamaicans themselves say started toasting admits he got it from Americans when he came to Florida as a laborer in the 50s. He admitted he was sending records back to Jamaica and that he got the idea for the speakers at parties he attended with Black Americans. Below I put a video, it's very long but if you want to hear Mr. Dodd say where he got it from fast forward to the 2 hour and 8 minute spot and let it play out. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbSipNaV2965lnU.html

Yeah, definitely two different claims I've heard over the years. I thought this was a good angle to contrast rap development in the US with deejay culture's evolution in Jamaica. There's another video up on the channel that dives into U-Roy specifically if you're into that!

Oh man, if only I knew what I did with the last few I had in like 2016!

African Americans Invented Reggae Music because African American Influenced Reggae Music.

Had a little bit of that already, not refuting what I'm saying, just mad about it like Coxsone Dodd didn't say "yes, we got the idea from the US".

I actually realised when I was editing this that I hadn't mentioned James Brown (8:09). There's so much to the history, definitely feel like a part 2 is in order!

@@GregorDWScott it’s all good bro…………great video anyway 👍🏾

Rapping/ hip hop culture already existed before the 70s and I was a black american art form.

@@Teriyaki32186 No it didn't. You're not from NYC, not from the Brinx and you're not old enough to know what you're talking about. Have a nice day.

@TRUTHTEACHER2007 You don't know how old I am or where I am from. What you do know is that the long-winded statement is a lie that needs to stop. Jamicans did not invent hip hop. All of the evidence points to descendents of American slaves being to creators. Most of the people from the Caribbean came to America after the 1965 immigration act, which by then hip hop was already established.

reggae and dancehall are both world wide both Jamaican genres are listened to in almost every country ..... ever heard of bob Marley? also the black American adopted dreads from the Jamaican Rastafarian culture.

You are right.

Hip-Hop is a youth movement not a form of music.

The concept came from the South from parties.

No it didn’t. Jamaicans also got their sound system culture from Americans I have the proof. Jamaican pioneers are on record saying they got all of their music and sound system culture from America. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsmmituWmZi1hIE.html

It's a mixture of African American and Jamaican influences

@@maahes1453 what part of HipHop is Jamaican? And what exactly did Jamaicans bring to hip hop that Black Americans weren’t already doing?

@@maahes1453 and did you even watch this video? Or are you just ignoring the facts.

@@chopitupradio4286 They brought the sampling mixing, DJing style, heavy bass from dub music. It's not purely African American.

@@maahes1453 thats a lie because we were already doing that decades before Jamaicans even had that technology. As a matter of fact all the Jamaican legends and pioneers are on record saying they got their sound system culture from Black Americans. HipHop is purely an amalgamation of Black American cultures, has no influence from Caribbeans. Would you like me to provide the video footage of all the Jamaican pioneers saying they got all their musical culture and sound systems from black Americans?

Toasting arhyming over music is not the same. Toasting had to involve individuals who got special shout outs at the time gang members then it had to be done over the sound system while on a break beat or during the breaks. There are certain components which made hip hop like break dancing . Therefore dancing would not be consider as break dance it there wasnt the break from the sound system and the mc. The various elements are very important to what emceeing/ rapping/ deejaying is

I am not going to say that African American Invented Reggae music but it is crazy how caribbean people say they invented Hip Hop when 95% percent of Hip Hop is African American music, and African American Culture.

Because African American Music influenced Reggae.

African Americans Music influenced Reggae Music but I am not going to say African Americans Invented Reggae Music, but some Caribbean People are saying they started Hip Hop which is a lie, lie. You see the difference some of those Caribbean people are big Lairs, Lairs give them an inch some of them will take a mile. But all caribbean people did not think that way I hope.

Most are american. Carribeans was there early because proximity, not because they created it. Being a rapper is totally different than creating it.

Hip-hop is a 1970s Bronx sub-culture, not a genre of music. Rapping or Rap started in the southern United States.

Rapping has always been in America, those guys you named are the start for Jamaica not the states, they had no influence on the first generation of hip hop mcs. They may have had influence on Jamaican mcs who came later like krs 1 but none on the American born mcs.

@@walteralexander689 the fact that THEY CAN NOT NAME ONE RADIO DJ WHO BLACK AMERICANS LISTENED TO but yet they can name ALL OF OUR OLD DJS just shows u who was listening and influenced by .......

They were rapping in Mississippi, Tennessee, jug band music and non instrumentals. Rap was in the deep core of the south. Calypso where? No where to be found near there I guarantee you.

@@Monaedeezy do you really know the south??? Do you really know about the Geechee ppl??? Do you know about the carnival and the Caribbean’s Junkanoo from the Caribbean’s in the south??? Do you know about the first enslave were brought from and what year they were sailed from the Caribbean’s to the south??? I can guaranteed you don’t know!! Better yet I’ll give 5 minutes to search!!!!😂😂😂😂

@@Monaedeezy ok then what’s “tresillo” and what type of music get inspired from it? And what year the the banjo like instrument was documented I the US?? Don’t search since you’re so arrogant of knowing more than me!!!

@@Monaedeezy times up!!

@@Monaedeezy jazz was inspired by “tresillo” and Spanish tinge and the banjo which is not native to your country yet it’s part of your so-called history, so what you claimed is not yours I can guarantee it’s not whole hearted yours.

Because that's how contradicting the history of hip hop is.

And he was Jamaican 😉

@@Adniel170 no he was born and raised in America. Jamaican by ethnicity doesn't mean its Jamaican influence he was inspired by BLACK AMERICAN MUSIC. he wasn't born there.

@@NOLUCKMVCK Pigmeat Markham

Yes, Gil-Scott was definitely the Father of Hip Hop Rap he was doing it in the 1960s but African American Rapping goes back to slavery times Rapping, and Jive Talking.

Yes, Gil-Scott the Father of Hip Hop He was a Jazz, Soul, Rapper, singer a nb d a musician. He was Rapping in the 1960s, and there were other rappers too in 1960 and early 1920, 1940, 1950, 1960, 1970, but Rapping goes back to African American slavery times Rapping, and Jive Talking. If you have an older African American person in your family from the 1960s. They will know about rapping, and Jive talking too.

Not every..but most.

No they didn't. Say if you were telling the truth, that still doesn't have anything to do with hip hop.

Which element would that be?

@@StylistecS dj. And debatable

@@cherokeebill4832 that’s extremely debatable. In fact, I would go as far to say that is incorrect. The djing aspect of hip hop is based off of disco djs. They are the firsts to extend the breaks. They are the ones who inspired Herc and Flash.

@@StylistecS good point

@@StylistecS did herc originate the break yes or no

Stick to Basket ball and keep you beak in sports cause you dont understand a thing about evoulution Jamaican didnt say this its wikipedia . Why did none of those clowns contest Kool Herc when he was been credited. Thats because they could not. Just like now drill music is a subculture of rap which influence uk drill which the Uk drill spun back around to US soil. You still claiming that the beat was found in America. No but America influenced it. Same thing with reggae and hip hop

@@Leggobeest7107 did you just say Wikipedia 😂. Jamaica is toasting. Rap is rapping. That’s why it’s called rapping. In case you missed it coke la roc did a vlad interview. Rapping came from hustlers and pimps. Hence the word rapping. And coke la roc is documented as “the” first mc in the hip hop museum. The merry go round I give to herc.

Dancehall did not influence Hip Hop at the inception in any way. It was straight up Funk and Disco. Modern Dancehall is a spinoff of Hip Hop, and by modern I mean late 70s on. Rapper's Delight changed the face of the Jamaican Dancehall scene lol. Old school Dancehall parties came from black Americans too. Yall don't know how goofy yall sound. Reggae wouldn't exist without Soul. Influence my ass.

@@americasmaker Dancehall is a spinoff of Hip-Hop 🤔 ? Dancehall was created 10 years before Rap. So, if we follow this logic, it is rather Rap that would be a spinoff of Dancehall, not the other way round 😉.

@@AK-qb3xp Dancehalls sound switched when Hiphop came on the scene

I mention Jamaican deejays, who are more akin to hip hop emcees than to hip hop DJs. Also made a passing reference to how both djs and emcees found value in records like hustlers convention, and that was actually something brought up by (i think) DJ Hollywood, who was a DJ, but would also do a little rap in his sets. As far as "fully formed", yeah, that was kind of the point. People have been rhyming for centuries, but it was always evolving and shifting, different cultures doing it in different ways. The purpose of looking at it this way was to try and identify the direct influences on the first emcees in the mid to late 70s.

@@GregorDWScott But this all started with the ongoing debate that Kool Herc Created Hip Hop. Your title is Did Rap Come From Jamaica. is as my comment on another one of your videos about states and this is on record on wiki and via interviews with these artists that your asking, is Deejaying the Jamaican style Toasting - where African American style Rap came from? or are you speaking in a broader sense or rapping which is the question your trying to resolve. Both come back with the same conclusion. Rapping Toasting was started here by African Americans. As my comment on your video U-Roy, Jamaicas First Star DeeJay. states . if Jamaicans were listening to African Americans djs (Deejays) and were inspired to copy it, they couldn't have done it first thus they didn't create it. dancehall which started in the late 70s was a speedup more rhythmic reggae inspired music form which was inspired by ska which was literally inspired by African American music and DJs. see how the ball goes around. you people at this point ( And I'm talking to some of the people in your comments and just in general about these debates and responding to some of the statements you made in your videos), are down right disrespecting African Americans. let me again explain it to ya. in my Jamaican accent. i love my Jamaican family but this gotta stop. The rhythmic rhyming of vocals of African American toasting (Jive Talking) influenced the development of toasting in Jamaica and development of the dancehall style In the late 1950s deejay toasting (In Jamaica) was developed by Count Matchuki. He conceived the idea from listening to disc jockeys on American radio stations. He would do African American jive over the music while selecting and playing R&B music. Deejays like Count Machuki working for producers would play the latest hits on traveling sound systems (African American inspired mobile Dj systems) at parties and add their toasts or vocals to the music. These toasts consisted of comedy, boastful commentaries, half-sung rhymes, rhythmic chants, squeals, screams and rhymed storytelling, which was inspired by African American minstral shows and stage shows (Of course they added their own flare making it their own style) but that's my point. Creativity comes from inspiration. They were inspired by African American Deejaying and Music Culture but they then made it their own. That's like how everything else is created Later in the 1960s toasting deejays included U-Roy and Dennis Alcapone, the latter known for mixing gangster talk with humor in his toasting. In the early 1970s, toasting deejays included I-Roy (his nickname is in homage to U-Roy) and Dillinger, the latter known for his humorous toasting style. In the early 1970s Big Youth became popular. In the late 1970s, Trinity followed. This all comes back around full circle to African American Culture and music. Not saying we crated everything but out of shear necessity we created our own cultures and music as well as many other American Traditions. sometimes we get credit for it but in the broader scheme of things it is hidden from American society and thus hidden from the world as a form of oppressions. This goes on a lot. We don't get the credit for our contributions to the world. and really it's by design. These historians know the truth about it but African Americans are discredited in place of other people. This has to stop. Go read a book on the inventions and innovations that African Americans have contributed to the world and you will literally be shocked beyond belief.

What do you mean "has to stop"? The purpose of looking at it the way I did was that I've often heard it repeated that rap was built on the back of Jamaican deejaying, and so I was interested in tracing the "truth" of that, but really the truth is they both came from similar sources and developed independently. As far as the history of jamaican deejaying, I've starting digging into that more as well.

@@ConquerWealth.network well that’s kinda the purpose of this video. Did u even watch it

Yes i watched many of your videos on hip hop and herc and you do a good job but i said i dont know if your being real or disingenuous. seems a little like click bait to conjure up controversy because some of your facts dont pan out. jamaica had zero influence on the begining origin or creation of hip hop. so the question is mute. that is a fact. actually african american music influenced ska, rock steady and reggae music. not the other way around. hip hop is simply african american culture. kool herc did not create or influence it. it influenced him. he was not the creator of extending looping break beats or merry go round. disco and funk djs was already doing that as early as the 60s. they would loop a beat as long as 20 minutes to let the dancers get down/breakdance before moving to the next song. just because herc put a name to something already being done, desn't mean he created it. herc used to tell the truth before he wanted to take credit and say he created hip hop. he said he would go watch disco djs at clubs and the dancers would be doing what they called at the time breakin. yes they called it breakin because they would go crazy dancing to the breakdowns in the song trying to out dance one another. that is break dancing. herc was not the creator of anything in hip hop but he did help elevate it along with many others. the black spades was pretty much the fathers of hip hop but they even got it inspired from the music. james brown would breakdance for as long as 10 to 20 minutes as his band broke down the music to a percusive state so he could get down to the funky beat. so he is a forefather of rap and hip hop. the soul train line was break dancing. hip hop music literally translates to cool party music or cool dance music. those words hip and hop has been a part of african american vinacular since the 30s or 40s. go to the early 70s and see the music and culture in jamaica and tell me how that is hip hop. also sound systems did not originate in jamaica it originated here in america from the mobile djs sound systems. block parties originated in nyc in the early 1900s to commemorate returning soldiers of WWI. that echo mic delay sound effect that jamaicans use was originated here too by mobile and radio djs. the jamaican toasters will tell you they got it from us listening to and seeing our mobile djs. herc didnt originate anything in hip hop and as i said before ska rocksteady reggae got its influence from african american music and culture not the other way around. it is blasphamy to say otherwise. ADOS is responsible for most popular music genras around the world. we either created it or inspired it. that is a fact. your trying to tell me some dude at his sisters birthday party taking record requests like a drunk uncle at a bbq messing up the music was the birth of hip hop. that is a pipe dream. herc didnt have two turntables at that party. he even said hes not a real dj and he wasnt the first to have a kids birthday party. we let him sell that fantasy for long enough and now we must correct the record because this is a travesty. ADOS IS HIP HOP AND HIP HOP IS ADOS PERIOD.

No. Reggae is purely Jamaican. Influenced from two styles that were well developed and far removed from it's shuffle Rnb origins.

@@MrLostsoul1234 nah. They was still using the same melodies.

@@robertjeff9846 yes they covered songs but to say that Americans taught Jamaicans how to do reggae is just straight up uninformed

@@MrLostsoul1234 ok. How about they taught themselves by “watching what Americans were doing and imitated it”

@@robertjeff9846 you are taking it too literally. If you want, show me an audio example of an American band or bands doing reggae that predates Jamaicans.

Where is the evidence of anything you've said???

Wrong, the creation of Jamaican genres were greatly influenced by Black American music. Jamaica's music pioneers have admitted that. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsmmituWmZi1hIE.html

@@walteralexander689 yes it was but the Jamaican music heavily influence hip hop not rap. Rap is just yapping over some silly beat. The sound system culture is what heavily influenced hip hop

@@Leggobeest7107 the sound system goes back to the early 20th century in America. Let me guess, you think you brought that to America?

@@StylistecS No Dummy but it was not used in the format that it was used to do toasting like in jamaica boozo. Toasting was there too but was never used in a setting to shout out gangs and patrons at a sound system party.

Unfortunately they did, it needs to be rewritten.

I didn't ever say it wasn't older than that, just that the hip hop style of rap was heavily influenced by what happened in the early 70s, I go on to trace some of that influence back even further. Couldn't do hundreds of years of development of styles in one video though!

@@GregorDWScott ok but this is the thing ... Jamaicans and aa have a common denominator which is Africa. The call and response from our ancestors . it goes back even further

@@GregorDWScott and hip hop style was deg around during swing and ragtime

When Jazz on the rise in 1930s there was mento’s and calypso artist rapping/ toasting before that they even had Jazz musicians covering their music.ppl just need to research when the music evolve from the Caribbean’s slave and the banjo like instruments

@@skbosdgame8435 Stop makin up s hit, there's nothing Caribbean about Rap.

Lyrically but not the structure of it at all. I won't go heavily into the detail of it but I would say, very early ska and blue beat is closer to American RnB than reggae is.

The break beats used in hip hop are American sir

Hip Hop was already in existence when Kool Herc came to america. He adapted to FBA culture, he got clowned for dressing like a jamaican and playing that music...FOH

Slick Rick fully admitted that hip hop was black American culture and he learned to appreciate and immerse himself into hip hop from black Americans. Sit down.

@@StylistecS Slick Rick was a Jamaican born in the Uk he came he went to the US in 1976. Hip hop was found before him coming here. I was just pointing out influences which has chain reactions. Hip hop was in 1970 in the Bronx and The Caribbean old folks in Brooklyn was already doing all those things that herc did in Brooklyn just that it was an older population did it in brooklyn to Jamaicanusic but these people from bronx took it and spun it over to the younger generation. There are levels and clearly you dont know which came first so i advise you to go read and reseatch more before you embarass yourself

Black Americans were Rapping on Wax in the 1920s kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jsqld7Kn3a-vaKs.html You Caribbeana need to stop the F'N lies Hip-hop is not from the Caribbean.

Jamaicans have nothing to do with the creation of rap

@Teriyaki32186 My Bad my wording was wrong, you are sho" right

Then during the beat break was when a lot of people would get there chance to rap on the beat break. Herc is credited for gelling these components of . The breakbeat, hence break dance, break rapping, and hoping from one hip to the next hence hip hop. You people are true hater and listen to a white man to tell you about black culture goes to show that you people dont read or research.

You do realize that he only said what was already known. Herc wasn’t even the first to do breaks. Pete Dj Jones was. All Herc did was made it longer. Breaks were also big in Jazz. Dancing to breaks goes back before the 1960s.

@@StylistecS break were there before but it was a boring short break. The break beat was from james Brown Funk music which was extended........ this is the most important because the extended break beats brought about a segment because the break was long so the main entertainment became the break segment and this was done from a sound system with a Dj ALL THESE ELEMENTS ARE IMP..O.OR...TANT. GEEZE 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

Kool herc moved to America at like 9 or 11. When he came to America he wasn't a dj, he became a dj later on in his life qfter learning from djs around the area which were Black Americans. Yall gotta stop lying and inventing ur own versions of history.

@@down-b8197He was back and forth visiting Jamaica occasionaly throughout his days growing up

There's nothing jamaican about rap or hip-hop.

@@bootneyleefarnsworth7307 Read what I said what was incorporated for American rap from Jamaican soundsystem soundclash, and by your comment it seem you don’t care to see what it was!!!

@@bootneyleefarnsworth7307 what Jamaican soundsystem soundclash culture gave made also the wackess rapper get famous and rich! Vanilla ice, Mc Hammmer ext. many don’t want to give the credit that’s due but the truth coming now!

jamaicans had nothing to do with rap or hip-hop.

@@bootneyleefarnsworth7307 you don’t know nothing about the definition of rap, or where it’s started and who was doing it before the captives slaves reached America. No one is talking about the word RAP. Go learn and research stop ego tripping b/c y’all think it belongs to you and no one had it by thinking in a bubble”it’s America first or my neighborhood first”That bubble is popped!

@Jay Aleem who was learning what? In the 50s What were they teaching over radio in the 50s?

@Jay Aleem Jamaican folk music goes back further than 1920s and before Americans first slaves ship brought to the south by the Portuguese

@Jay Aleem Lol ur sooo funny I wonder who’s fooling u. Jamaican music has been around long before hip hop and rap came into the picture so how Jamaican Dj’s copy american Dj’s on radio?😅😅

@Jay Aleem When u don’t have proof and just make up bullshit because u don’t want to give credit lol.💀What if I tell u that a Jamaican created Toasting? Jamaican immigrants are the ones that brought toasting to America us Jamaicans even brought our sound system to America. Those sound boxes in America is from Jamaica sir,please do ur research. “Matchuki” is not even the father of dancehall tf u seem like ur on drugs.😂😂😂😂 I wasn’t even talking about ska I was talking about Reggae and dancehall because people barely even listen to ska in these modern days. Hip Hop and Rap is the topic.

@Jay Aleem Toasting is from the caribbean it’s originated from caribbean mento and calypso not America. 😂😂😂😂

I was talking about deejaying rather than reggae, but of course there were people listening to reggae, and to early dancehall; my point was that it wasn't as popular, and wasn't a primary influence on early hip hop emcees, that funk, soul, radio jocks, beat poets, all were more important to the development of rap.

@@GregorDWScott From my research...the "Chanting" or "Rhyming on records goes Back to the 50s and eventually put on record in 1963 with Sir Lord Comic with the song Ska'iing West. Prior to 1963, who in Blk American culture was Rhyming on records?

There wasn't that many black immigrants in America. The vast majority if Jamaican and black immigrants came in the 80s most of them are 1st and 2nd gen at most.

@AnonBelieverOfGovLiez This is Black Americans rapping in the 1920s man FOH lol you are tripping kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jsqld7Kn3a-vaKs.html

The format is what was important in regards to hip hop because the gangs were involved the toasting at parties were done to make gangs feel important and this was done while breaks or during a break beat segment. Rapping or rhyming was already there but the format and how it was use was what was important

False. Hiphop/Rap is a Black American creation. Africans, Jamaicans and especially Puerto Ricans DIDN'T create hiphop/rap.